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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 26 2014 19:35 GMT
#821
On September 27 2014 04:24 Holyflare wrote:
Why are***** you instead dismissing any potential world where skydragon flips mafia. Your entire reads are based off of him flipping town pretty much.


Just elaborated on this.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 26 2014 19:38 GMT
#822
On September 27 2014 04:34 HaruRH wrote:
Right, everyone should switch to superbia now. He basically claimed scum.


???
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 26 2014 19:39 GMT
#823
Looking into JAT right now. Haru, care to elaborate?
Minimal effort.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
September 26 2014 19:41 GMT
#824
Another friendly reminder (possibly my last, I'm going out) that hopeless is a great lynch.

Superbia is probably not mafia.
Computer says mafia
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
September 26 2014 19:42 GMT
#825
Let me break down why this is basically a mafia claim:

My first big post elaborates on his behaviour and 1)how I feel he's being two contradictory things at the same time (confident and apologetic). After this post the only thing he does is 2)join in on an easy push on Sky, which is very easy and just nothing. I feel like 3)he isn't being proactive and he isn't trying to find scum. He 4)can only get scummier if he actually hard claims mafia.


1) Being contradictory is not alignment indicative. Even your teacher contradicts himself sometimes.

2) Like what HF said, this hinges on the fact that sky is town. Perfect information.

3) Oddly enough, both superbia and fecalfeast have the same sized filter. I found more interesting and actual reads inside fecal's filter than superbia. + Show Spoiler +
On September 26 2014 09:38 Fecalfeast wrote:
I really like batsnacks' post on GB, even if it is a little shallow with the 3rd person stuff. I was on SkyDragon's side until right about here.
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 08:02 SkyDragon wrote:
Seer is welcome to spy on me, I have nothing to hide.

This post came out of left field and, especially in the context of his other posts, feels so wrong. I would have liked to give him the benefit of the doubt and lynch him day2 but his sudden switch from storr to bats was off, too.

Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 09:30 SkyDragon wrote:
On September 26 2014 09:20 Superbia wrote:
On September 26 2014 09:19 SkyDragon wrote:
I would say Bats at this stage. Storr just doesn't seem as suspicious to me anymore.


Why? Your main read on Storr was that he was aggressive (correct me if I'm wrong here), which he still very much is.


That's true. I was making my reply to him (Thoroughly checking his comments) but noticed that he generally became less aggressive as the game has continued. My main issues with him still are that

- He confirmed himself and insisted that he was Town in his very first post
- He started pointing fingers at FF and GB within minutes of his first post
- He stated that ObiWan was probably Town, even though the guy had barely said anything of relevance at that stage

So three reasons listed why storr is suspicious and his biggest case was on storr originally yet he votes batsnacks
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 09:33 SkyDragon wrote:
I still think he's suspicious though but am far more suspicious of Bat now simply because he refused to defend himself against my accusations.


So rather than vote someone you have real evidence on, you are voting for someone who wont respond to you? The guy who you have been scumreading all game literally called you out and voted for you yet you completely ignore him?

##vote: SkyDragon

I haven't been playing much because I am moving house, I will be most active from 3pm-10pm PST


Talk about being contradictory.

4) So nothing else can get scummier? Superbia is just picking on the low hanging fruit at this point. Lynch without mercy.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 26 2014 19:42 GMT
#826
On September 27 2014 04:41 Palmar wrote:
Another friendly reminder (possibly my last, I'm going out) that hopeless is a great lynch.

Superbia is probably not mafia.


Yeah, I have to say that I'm leaning that way too.
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
September 26 2014 19:44 GMT
#827
His 'reads' are basically list posts that I can also do to make myself the king of town. And you know how Haru likes list posts. not at all.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
September 26 2014 19:47 GMT
#828
Town:
Storr

semi-Town:
Superbia
Glowingbear
Holyflare
ObiWanShinobi

null/haven't read
HaruRH
FecalFeast
Skydragon
Justanothertownie

sorta scum
Killing

murder with bricks:
Hopeless1der

If I'm wrong on hopeless and killing (let's be honest, I probably am on at least one of them) mafia is very likely to be in the bunch I haven't read.

Tbh, if I self-meta. There's one mafia in red (hopeless or killing). One mafia I'm ignoring (maybe JAT?) and one mafia I've given a cheap townread for some random reason.
Computer says mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 26 2014 19:48 GMT
#829
On September 27 2014 04:31 GlowingBear wrote:
Lol I'm getting lynched with only 3 votes?

This is bizarre. Let me think about this vote count a little


Why have you been saying my case is really good but then opting out of all discussion and then not even voting with my case?? I thought you wanted nothing more than to get discussion going.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 26 2014 19:50 GMT
#830
Haru, I've literally explained my read on the whole Sky situation like 10 minutes ago. The type of contradiction is also important. I feel like Fecal is acting really confident, but at the same time he still apologizes a lot. This does not make any sense to me and it just fucking stands out. I didn't feel his post on Sky was that good. Specifically it seemed to me like he was just echoing reads (like I already pointed out the weird "seer come spy on me" and the "third person" weirdness in bats' push). It was also ill timed (as I have explained before, MANY TIMES). Like I don't give a shit if it's low-hanging fruit, I think he's scummy and I want to see him lynched.

I've taught children English, but this is more frustrating.
Minimal effort.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 26 2014 20:02 GMT
#831
yeh it could well be killing and hopeless at this point
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13922 Posts
September 26 2014 20:03 GMT
#832
On September 27 2014 04:11 SkyDragon wrote:
I'm well aware that people have to tend to real life. I just stated that Scum uses it as an excuse more often than not.

Also, you admit that both sides could use that excuse, but Haru is Town because.. Well, just because you say he/she is. Of course, there's also the fact that things apparently just flowed "naturally" out of Haru when he/she admitted to being blue/green vt (According to you) and now you're willing to protect him/her against anything and everything now.

Nice logic there. Flawed and something that I'd never, ever do because it just does not make sense.



your statement is irrelevant. And my logic isn't bad. My read on haru was independent of him going to worlds.

My defense of haru was policy because haru was not around. IF gb had just followed up with haru to make sure he was around after worlds thats one thing. Instead gb was pushing super hard that Haru had to be scum (at a time when haru could not defend himself) , and he was voting with killing intent. Yet as soon as haru posts, magical townie read that he has failed to explain. You trumping things up to be more than they are is scummy. specially since you obviously don't understand what the hell your pushing.

Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13922 Posts
September 26 2014 20:11 GMT
#833
On September 27 2014 04:09 Holyflare wrote:
i don't think you're paying any attention to anything at all storr it's pretty bad


k he posted ill respond.

I thought his townie read on me for backing off sky has to do with pro town. Sky was obviously upset, and was doing nothing productive, not to mention avoiding my questions. I backed off. WHy? because i know if i keep pressuring him nothing is going to happen, because he is just going to wallow in self pitty or w/e the crap he is doing. My time is better spent pushing something else, and allowing sky to feel like he has some room to come back into the game and post. WHy? cause im not here to ruin the game, i want to win the game.

I figured superbia's town read had to do with this statement.
His comment about my recent mafia game, and video mafia game made sense. I clearly am playing different, and if he watched game 2 of video, he could probably assume this is closer to my "aggressive town play"

him having a sub read that he is unwilling to share is interesting. I harped on GB for that bs reason to hide his 180 on haru for unfounded reasons other than "harus started posting because haru wasn't at worlds" SO yeah, i think its bs that superbia is going to hide behind that.

deal is, his actions line up. I Don't believe he lied as you paint it, not to mention you cherry picked a few things when i reread him. He feels he has a way to read me d2 and on (lets call it a hard read based off meta or some bull) and he has tried to read me off my current play (so day 1, calling me town). I don't believe anything he said was contradicting or bad.
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
September 26 2014 20:11 GMT
#834
On September 27 2014 05:02 Holyflare wrote:
yeh it could well be killing and hopeless at this point


Started top town and now we're here
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13922 Posts
September 26 2014 20:13 GMT
#835
On September 27 2014 04:34 HaruRH wrote:
Right, everyone should switch to superbia now. He basically claimed scum.


explain...
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 26 2014 20:13 GMT
#836
On September 27 2014 05:13 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2014 04:34 HaruRH wrote:
Right, everyone should switch to superbia now. He basically claimed scum.


explain...


he already did...............
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 26 2014 20:13 GMT
#837
I thought it's quite apparent what I'm pushing - That both Town and Scum can use real-world excuses for long periods of absence. You're now saying that you defended Haru because he wasn't around, which is fair enough but I don't see any reason as to why anyone would bother defending anyone on Day 1 since he could be scum trying to hide. He's obviously visiting this thread at least once a day so doesn't need anyone to speak for him or defend him. I thought that all of this is pretty obvious.

I'm not trumping up anything that I haven't already said before.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 26 2014 20:15 GMT
#838
On September 27 2014 05:11 Killing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2014 05:02 Holyflare wrote:
yeh it could well be killing and hopeless at this point


Started top town and now we're here


yes well i already explained how your town read on hopeless stems from something that he copied from your scum read fecal but you didn't acknowledge that at all and still town read him, also haru who had done nothing
Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
September 26 2014 20:18 GMT
#839
On September 27 2014 05:15 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2014 05:11 Killing wrote:
On September 27 2014 05:02 Holyflare wrote:
yeh it could well be killing and hopeless at this point


Started top town and now we're here


yes well i already explained how your town read on hopeless stems from something that he copied from your scum read fecal but you didn't acknowledge that at all and still town read him, also haru who had done nothing


Fecal had said it after I was hard scum reading him so it didn't matter much to me but I did take note of it. I don't think fecal would be a lynch for me.
I believed Haru when he said this.
On September 25 2014 08:20 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 08:16 Holyflare wrote:
On September 25 2014 08:14 HaruRH wrote:
FINALLY MY FIRST GREEN VANILLA TOWN GAME IN AGES YESSSSSSS


this is bull shit

##vote harurh


You don't have to believe me as I'm more excited to celebrate the fact that i rolled vt than trying to convince you i am vt


I don't correlate activity with alignment. If someone makes 3 posts and I find the posts townie, I call them town. I believe hopeless is town.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13922 Posts
September 26 2014 20:22 GMT
#840
On September 27 2014 05:13 SkyDragon wrote:
I thought it's quite apparent what I'm pushing - That both Town and Scum can use real-world excuses for long periods of absence. You're now saying that you defended Haru because he wasn't around, which is fair enough but I don't see any reason as to why anyone would bother defending anyone on Day 1 since he could be scum trying to hide. He's obviously visiting this thread at least once a day so doesn't need anyone to speak for him or defend him. I thought that all of this is pretty obvious.

I'm not trumping up anything that I haven't already said before.



Why? because its productive to be talking about the game with people that can be active. its literally useless to be bitching about haru when haru is afk till a set time. The discussion literally devolves into "well we need haru to talk"

why would anyone defend anyone day 1? because its this magical thing called "reads" its also part of the game of mafia. Trying to lynch mafia, and not lynching town.

SO yeah, i'm going to defend haru because gb is pushing a shit tastic lynch idea. (case and point him reversing his read as soon as haru talks)
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
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