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On September 26 2014 22:53 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 22:51 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2014 22:50 GlowingBear wrote:On September 26 2014 22:46 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2014 22:45 GlowingBear wrote:On September 26 2014 22:43 Holyflare wrote:Because I can be wrong, HF. Because I saw a sudden shift to hopeless, not in votes, but on arguments. And there is a possibility it's town realisation, but I'm afraid, for how the switch to hopeless was fast, that it could be also mafia driven. I think it's okay to have doubts on it. Don't you have? Do you have any information I don't? How was there a sudden change at all? Palmar posted a case on like 3 ppl which we commented on and then he asked for hopeless read/comments And then people just said "hey, hopeless is scum lololol". This is the point I'm at. I'm analysing scenarios, HF. He can be scum, as I've already said, but it could be mafia driven. You think it couldn't? It's literally me and HF Which one of us is scum? Hell HF is being useless. This is Palmar driven. Do you think my logic is off? Do you disagree with what I wrote in that big post on hopeless? Nope, my phrasing was wrong. I think your case is legit but the following posts sheeping you may not be. I've already said HF is scummy IMO. Btw in his scum play it is just like him to read someone as scum and then shifting his opinion. He did it awkwardly (in the way I see) with Haru and now he did it with me. Who sheeps and who doesn't sheep has nothing to do with the validity of the case. Either you think I'm right on hopeless or wrong. Go figure out which one you think I am. When you've realized that I'm more likely to be right, vote him. Yes, it has. A well written case on a townie from a townie is a gift to mafia. I would totally sheep you if I were mafia. I'll re read the case and tell you what I think
Sure I might be wrong, but then TELL ME WHY I'M WRONG. Explain why Hopeless is town using posts from hopeless. Don't tell me I'm wrong because HF voted with me. That has nothing to do with my case. I could not possibly have known who would agree with me when I wrote the case.
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Killing's filter is quite awful too.
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I almost want to kill killing more tbh, just for his town circle list which included people who have no business being on there for absolutely no good reasons.
But for now let's see what Hopeless says when he comes back.
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On September 26 2014 23:04 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 23:01 Palmar wrote:
Killing's filter is quite awful too. I only have issue with one of his posts where he lists haru who had done nothing at the time in his town circle. Other than that i agreed with his summary list thing. What don't you like? Oh and his hopeless thing because fecal said it first but that could just be oversight.
Because I don't think he has actual reasons for his reads for the most part.
And yes, haru and hopeless in his townie list was just awful. Even if they are town, no one who is actually thinking critically about the game should have town reads on them atm.
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Jesus, you guys are the worst sheep one could have.
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On September 27 2014 00:06 StorrZerg wrote:
I just reread your case palmar. And YAWN.
So read his filter. does it make you think he's town?
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Like why take my word for it, you can make your own decision, right?
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On September 27 2014 00:24 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2014 00:15 Palmar wrote:
Like why take my word for it, you can make your own decision, right?
Are you uncomfortable with continuing to push your scum read? I read that and have similar feelings as hopeless on other people. GB in particular. Fecal as well.
GB doesn't have any opinions on Hopeless. He hardly responded to what I wrote, and seemed more inclined to agree with me. His only opinion was associative reads based on people sheeping me, which has nothing to do with Hopeless.
And why do you think I'm uncomfortable pushing my read? I am literally doing just that.
I'm encouraging you to read his filter and tell me why he's town.
In fact I think this response, especially the part where you say you agree with GB's feelings on hopeless, which are summarized here:
On September 26 2014 22:50 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 22:46 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2014 22:45 GlowingBear wrote:On September 26 2014 22:43 Holyflare wrote:Because I can be wrong, HF. Because I saw a sudden shift to hopeless, not in votes, but on arguments. And there is a possibility it's town realisation, but I'm afraid, for how the switch to hopeless was fast, that it could be also mafia driven. I think it's okay to have doubts on it. Don't you have? Do you have any information I don't? How was there a sudden change at all? Palmar posted a case on like 3 ppl which we commented on and then he asked for hopeless read/comments And then people just said "hey, hopeless is scum lololol". This is the point I'm at. I'm analysing scenarios, HF. He can be scum, as I've already said, but it could be mafia driven. You think it couldn't? It's literally me and HF Which one of us is scum? Hell HF is being useless. This is Palmar driven. Do you think my logic is off? Do you disagree with what I wrote in that big post on hopeless? Nope, my phrasing was wrong. I think your case is legit but the following posts sheeping you may not be. I've already said HF is scummy IMO. Btw in his scum play it is just like him to read someone as scum and then shifting his opinion. He did it awkwardly (in the way I see) with Haru and now he did it with me.
On September 26 2014 23:01 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 18:32 Palmar wrote:Filters time: On September 25 2014 12:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
not much time tonight, but right now severely dislike glowingbear. Very shallow reads imo. HF's case wasnt terrible, it was misplaced. If haru couldnt prove he was actually sad about rolling blue I'd be voting for him right now. Since the case has obviously failed, why would HF stay with it? Thats ridiculous.
Then there's his scumlist...what the hell is that about. players have literally not even posted yet, but GB has solved the game? I dont buy that in the slightest. That's reading way too much into something obviously thrown out as a wild guess. Like you're just creating talking points here. On September 25 2014 12:51 Hopeless1der wrote:On September 25 2014 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:On September 25 2014 12:28 Hopeless1der wrote:On September 25 2014 12:22 GlowingBear wrote:On September 25 2014 12:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
not much time tonight, but right now severely dislike glowingbear. Very shallow reads imo. HF's case wasnt terrible, it was misplaced. If haru couldnt prove he was actually sad about rolling blue I'd be voting for him right now. Since the case has obviously failed, why would HF stay with it? Thats ridiculous.
Then there's his scumlist...what the hell is that about. players have literally not even posted yet, but GB has solved the game? I dont buy that in the slightest.
I'll probably be gone until this time tomorrow but should be generally more active when I'm around during my evenings. (Just started a new job, dont want to play at work) Because that's his scum read and if the case didn't go through he should be asking more questions to Haru to get more information? Lol... HF's case on Haru was literally based on one post that was demonstrably false using out-of-thread but public information. Again, why try to stick with such a case? Refusing to "overlook" (which is a strange way to phrase it btw) his case would be way more suspicious than dropping it like he already has. The fact that this seems suspicious to you makes YOU look suspicious to me. Because it's easy, as scum, to pick on a tiny problem to bus a partner then drop the read. That is so incredibly shallow. Unless I have found surefire scum tomorrow, I'm voting you just based off this interaction. Why is it shallow? It's not particularly well explained but it's a perfectly valid observation. It makes Glowingbear dumb, but if glowingbear is mafia this is not why. Like I don't understand the connection that because GB is saying something stupid, or far-fetched, that he must be mafia? On September 25 2014 12:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
btw, fecalfeast is behaving pretty similar to last game imo. No reason to hate on him just yet. Palmar seems to have gotten upset that no one uses the voting thread to follow his policy and has taken up a silent protest. Sky is new to TL but not to mafia. I'd like to hear his (her?) thoughts on why d1 claimers usually got lynched on SK.
I'm gone for now, see you all later.
This feels like commentary with no conclusion. What's up with his comment on me here? Unless he's trying to be funny I just don't understand what the point here is. I don't know. I'm getting literally zero townvibes from Hopeless this game. Between doing very little, only committing to a single read (GB = Scum), then attempting to bury GB for what is at best very slightly scummy, I'd say Hopeless is a pretty good scum candidate today. I'm gonna throw this out, then read some more filters and see what I come up with. Currently he's number 1 on my list. First two quotes you've brought is slight scummy because he is hard scum reading me for things that aren't really indicative. Third post makes him look useless because who the fuck cares for what SK people do as policy lynch? It's just him pretending to be contributive.
And then pretend that this is a reason to disagree with my read on Hopeless... is actually quite scummy in itself.
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Superbia I've played like 100 games of mafia. Sometimes I'm active, sometimes I'm inactive, sometimes I troll, sometimes I'm super cereal.
The point is, if you wanna judge me, do it on HOW I do things, not WHAT I do.
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So people know where I stand
Mafia people:
StorrZerg
Hopeless
No one else has done much to make me want to lynch them. I wish JAT was playing more than he is, but meh.
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On September 27 2014 01:11 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2014 01:09 Palmar wrote:
Superbia I've played like 100 games of mafia. Sometimes I'm active, sometimes I'm inactive, sometimes I troll, sometimes I'm super cereal.
The point is, if you wanna judge me, do it on HOW I do things, not WHAT I do.
What is your opinion on Fecal?
I haven't read him, and haven't noticed him yet.
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Seriously why does no one want to like be my friend today.
This sucks.
We're not gonna lynch mafia unless you guys get your act together.
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On September 27 2014 01:13 StorrZerg wrote:
@palmar i think you have it back wards... I like hopeless reads on gb/fecal.
shit you're right.
meh, so you're not in mafia column then.
Still, you should vote hopeless with me.
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where the hell is your case on FF?
Btw, I started his filter, and he seems to have a pretty casual/joking attitude early game. Sure it's easy to fake as mafia, but I'm not sure it makes him one, but I'm only like 1/3 through.
I also saw a post by Storr that makes him very likely to be town in my eyes, so I'm doing a #180 on him.
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On September 27 2014 01:16 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2014 01:07 Palmar wrote:On September 27 2014 00:24 StorrZerg wrote:On September 27 2014 00:15 Palmar wrote:
Like why take my word for it, you can make your own decision, right?
Are you uncomfortable with continuing to push your scum read? I read that and have similar feelings as hopeless on other people. GB in particular. Fecal as well. GB doesn't have any opinions on Hopeless. He hardly responded to what I wrote, and seemed more inclined to agree with me. His only opinion was associative reads based on people sheeping me, which has nothing to do with Hopeless. And why do you think I'm uncomfortable pushing my read? I am literally doing just that. I'm encouraging you to read his filter and tell me why he's town. In fact I think this response, especially the part where you say you agree with GB's feelings on hopeless, which are summarized here: On September 26 2014 22:50 GlowingBear wrote:On September 26 2014 22:46 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2014 22:45 GlowingBear wrote:On September 26 2014 22:43 Holyflare wrote:Because I can be wrong, HF. Because I saw a sudden shift to hopeless, not in votes, but on arguments. And there is a possibility it's town realisation, but I'm afraid, for how the switch to hopeless was fast, that it could be also mafia driven. I think it's okay to have doubts on it. Don't you have? Do you have any information I don't? How was there a sudden change at all? Palmar posted a case on like 3 ppl which we commented on and then he asked for hopeless read/comments And then people just said "hey, hopeless is scum lololol". This is the point I'm at. I'm analysing scenarios, HF. He can be scum, as I've already said, but it could be mafia driven. You think it couldn't? It's literally me and HF Which one of us is scum? Hell HF is being useless. This is Palmar driven. Do you think my logic is off? Do you disagree with what I wrote in that big post on hopeless? Nope, my phrasing was wrong. I think your case is legit but the following posts sheeping you may not be. I've already said HF is scummy IMO. Btw in his scum play it is just like him to read someone as scum and then shifting his opinion. He did it awkwardly (in the way I see) with Haru and now he did it with me. On September 26 2014 23:01 GlowingBear wrote:On September 26 2014 18:32 Palmar wrote:Filters time: On September 25 2014 12:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
not much time tonight, but right now severely dislike glowingbear. Very shallow reads imo. HF's case wasnt terrible, it was misplaced. If haru couldnt prove he was actually sad about rolling blue I'd be voting for him right now. Since the case has obviously failed, why would HF stay with it? Thats ridiculous.
Then there's his scumlist...what the hell is that about. players have literally not even posted yet, but GB has solved the game? I dont buy that in the slightest. That's reading way too much into something obviously thrown out as a wild guess. Like you're just creating talking points here. On September 25 2014 12:51 Hopeless1der wrote:On September 25 2014 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:On September 25 2014 12:28 Hopeless1der wrote:On September 25 2014 12:22 GlowingBear wrote:On September 25 2014 12:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
not much time tonight, but right now severely dislike glowingbear. Very shallow reads imo. HF's case wasnt terrible, it was misplaced. If haru couldnt prove he was actually sad about rolling blue I'd be voting for him right now. Since the case has obviously failed, why would HF stay with it? Thats ridiculous.
Then there's his scumlist...what the hell is that about. players have literally not even posted yet, but GB has solved the game? I dont buy that in the slightest.
I'll probably be gone until this time tomorrow but should be generally more active when I'm around during my evenings. (Just started a new job, dont want to play at work) Because that's his scum read and if the case didn't go through he should be asking more questions to Haru to get more information? Lol... HF's case on Haru was literally based on one post that was demonstrably false using out-of-thread but public information. Again, why try to stick with such a case? Refusing to "overlook" (which is a strange way to phrase it btw) his case would be way more suspicious than dropping it like he already has. The fact that this seems suspicious to you makes YOU look suspicious to me. Because it's easy, as scum, to pick on a tiny problem to bus a partner then drop the read. That is so incredibly shallow. Unless I have found surefire scum tomorrow, I'm voting you just based off this interaction. Why is it shallow? It's not particularly well explained but it's a perfectly valid observation. It makes Glowingbear dumb, but if glowingbear is mafia this is not why. Like I don't understand the connection that because GB is saying something stupid, or far-fetched, that he must be mafia? On September 25 2014 12:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
btw, fecalfeast is behaving pretty similar to last game imo. No reason to hate on him just yet. Palmar seems to have gotten upset that no one uses the voting thread to follow his policy and has taken up a silent protest. Sky is new to TL but not to mafia. I'd like to hear his (her?) thoughts on why d1 claimers usually got lynched on SK.
I'm gone for now, see you all later.
This feels like commentary with no conclusion. What's up with his comment on me here? Unless he's trying to be funny I just don't understand what the point here is. I don't know. I'm getting literally zero townvibes from Hopeless this game. Between doing very little, only committing to a single read (GB = Scum), then attempting to bury GB for what is at best very slightly scummy, I'd say Hopeless is a pretty good scum candidate today. I'm gonna throw this out, then read some more filters and see what I come up with. Currently he's number 1 on my list. First two quotes you've brought is slight scummy because he is hard scum reading me for things that aren't really indicative. Third post makes him look useless because who the fuck cares for what SK people do as policy lynch? It's just him pretending to be contributive. And then pretend that this is a reason to disagree with my read on Hopeless... is actually quite scummy in itself. Palmar, I agreed with you. I just think lynching Haru is better. I'm confused o.O
Srsly that's what I said.
Just do as I say pls. pls don't argue, is all over, you can sleep now. Use the force GB, trust me.
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On September 27 2014 01:22 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 20:03 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2014 19:55 justanothertownie wrote:
Palmar you seem to be really sure that GB is town all of a sudden. Can you elaborate on that? Short version I think his tone and activity are more likely to come from a townie. He at some point came under fire for his opinions and stuck to his guns. Also I don't remember him being so adamant about wanting people to know his reads and how strong they were when he was mafia. It seems to matter to him that people know what he's thinking. Previous game he didn't need to do anything. in fact he could be as scummy as he wanted why? because town was slitting each other throats. Its a much smaller game, hence personality changes are rampant in this game. Him, me, holy a few others i'd bet. so i can't see why it makes his alignment town for wanting people to know his reads, and sticking with them.
Yeah I guess.
Still, Hopeless is a better lynch. Now that I think you're town you should totally agree with me and vote him!
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whatever you guys have my permission to fuck this day up.
Enjoy!
I'm out.
ps. Lynch hopeless because it's what jesus would do.
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Friendly reminder that somehow hopeless is not being wagoned despite his short contentless filter. I wonder why?
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Another friendly reminder (possibly my last, I'm going out) that hopeless is a great lynch.
Superbia is probably not mafia.
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Town:
Storr
semi-Town:
Superbia
Glowingbear
Holyflare
ObiWanShinobi
null/haven't read
HaruRH
FecalFeast
Skydragon
Justanothertownie
sorta scum
Killing
murder with bricks:
Hopeless1der
If I'm wrong on hopeless and killing (let's be honest, I probably am on at least one of them) mafia is very likely to be in the bunch I haven't read.
Tbh, if I self-meta. There's one mafia in red (hopeless or killing). One mafia I'm ignoring (maybe JAT?) and one mafia I've given a cheap townread for some random reason.
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