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On September 26 2014 19:54 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 19:51 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2014 19:30 Holyflare wrote:On September 26 2014 18:43 Palmar wrote:There's nothing alignment indicative in HaruRH's posts. However he has two posts that make me angry we don't have a vigilante this game for clearing out trash. I wish he was dead.He's a very, very good default lynch this game (that is, if somehow all our scumreads start looking townie-ish) Evidence 1.On September 25 2014 08:43 HaruRH wrote:On September 25 2014 08:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh THANK GOD I'm town again! I hate rolling scum.
Ok, Haru, tell me what you think of holyflower by now That 'case' on me was just backed up with bad evidence. So yea, let's wait and see. I am only going to post reads near end of d1. "I'm not going to do anything until end of day 1, and thus be of no help" Evidence 2.On September 26 2014 00:02 HaruRH wrote:
I am coming out to say I won't be doing shit for this few days because I am going to lol worlds. You must expect lower activity (lower than my lowest activity games). However, I will find a worthy person to sheep. So far, given my observations, I would actually call GB WOLF. Real life excuses should be policy lynches. Every time it's mafia making them for some reason. Anyway, tbh that first post, if anything, sounds slightly more townie than scummy (the defiance that he is not going to cave in to pressure for reads and do things his way). It's a terrible way to play and it makes me a) not want to play with Haru, and b) want to kill Haru, but it is what it is, and I don't think he's a good lynch unless we have no other options. How does this make sense at all? You say there's nothing alignment indicative in haru's filter but then you say that rather than nothing there's one post (first quote) that is probably towny indicative.... but you want to kill haru...? I think it's quite obvious what I mean. I know my first language isn't english, but I don't understand what is confusing you. The opening statement is correct. There is nothing in his filter I consider concrete enough to make a call on his alignment, and I think he'd be a great policy lynch/shot if we don't have anything other to work with. The latter statement, clearly specifies "if anything" and "slightly", which indicates that while I don't think it's very useful at all, that if you held a gun to my head and made me make a call on his alignment, I'd use that thought process. It's still way too weak for me to actually say "he's town" based on it. I just pointed out that it's a slight tip in that direction, but not enough to make his filter in general lean one way or the other, and not enough to make him any less of a good policy lynch. I am actually quite surprised I had to explain this to you. I actually want to ask OTHER people a question: Did anyone else find my opening and closing statements contradictory? Not really, but it is a very waffly post. First you wish he was dead then you still don't want to lynch him in the end.
That's how I feel about all policy/lurker lynches (except blatant policies like lynch all liars). They are "default" lynches, that is, only useful if we're otherwise out of options.
I think you know what I mean. I wish he was dead because his contributions don't help me decide his alignment. But I have no conviction one way or the other that he's gonna flip town or mafia, simply because of exactly that fact.
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On September 26 2014 19:55 justanothertownie wrote:
Palmar you seem to be really sure that GB is town all of a sudden. Can you elaborate on that?
Short version
I think his tone and activity are more likely to come from a townie. He at some point came under fire for his opinions and stuck to his guns. Also I don't remember him being so adamant about wanting people to know his reads and how strong they were when he was mafia. It seems to matter to him that people know what he's thinking.
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Why are you guys not commenting on my feeling about Hopeless, do you have a particular reason to think he's town? Am I missing something?
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Like his filter is super short, takes like 10 mins reading it.
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On September 26 2014 20:08 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 19:57 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2014 19:54 justanothertownie wrote:On September 26 2014 19:51 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2014 19:30 Holyflare wrote:On September 26 2014 18:43 Palmar wrote:There's nothing alignment indicative in HaruRH's posts. However he has two posts that make me angry we don't have a vigilante this game for clearing out trash. I wish he was dead.He's a very, very good default lynch this game (that is, if somehow all our scumreads start looking townie-ish) Evidence 1.On September 25 2014 08:43 HaruRH wrote:On September 25 2014 08:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh THANK GOD I'm town again! I hate rolling scum.
Ok, Haru, tell me what you think of holyflower by now That 'case' on me was just backed up with bad evidence. So yea, let's wait and see. I am only going to post reads near end of d1. "I'm not going to do anything until end of day 1, and thus be of no help" Evidence 2.On September 26 2014 00:02 HaruRH wrote:
I am coming out to say I won't be doing shit for this few days because I am going to lol worlds. You must expect lower activity (lower than my lowest activity games). However, I will find a worthy person to sheep. So far, given my observations, I would actually call GB WOLF. Real life excuses should be policy lynches. Every time it's mafia making them for some reason. Anyway, tbh that first post, if anything, sounds slightly more townie than scummy (the defiance that he is not going to cave in to pressure for reads and do things his way). It's a terrible way to play and it makes me a) not want to play with Haru, and b) want to kill Haru, but it is what it is, and I don't think he's a good lynch unless we have no other options. How does this make sense at all? You say there's nothing alignment indicative in haru's filter but then you say that rather than nothing there's one post (first quote) that is probably towny indicative.... but you want to kill haru...? I think it's quite obvious what I mean. I know my first language isn't english, but I don't understand what is confusing you. The opening statement is correct. There is nothing in his filter I consider concrete enough to make a call on his alignment, and I think he'd be a great policy lynch/shot if we don't have anything other to work with. The latter statement, clearly specifies "if anything" and "slightly", which indicates that while I don't think it's very useful at all, that if you held a gun to my head and made me make a call on his alignment, I'd use that thought process. It's still way too weak for me to actually say "he's town" based on it. I just pointed out that it's a slight tip in that direction, but not enough to make his filter in general lean one way or the other, and not enough to make him any less of a good policy lynch. I am actually quite surprised I had to explain this to you. I actually want to ask OTHER people a question: Did anyone else find my opening and closing statements contradictory? Not really, but it is a very waffly post. First you wish he was dead then you still don't want to lynch him in the end. That's how I feel about all policy/lurker lynches (except blatant policies like lynch all liars). They are "default" lynches, that is, only useful if we're otherwise out of options. I think you know what I mean. I wish he was dead because his contributions don't help me decide his alignment. But I have no conviction one way or the other that he's gonna flip town or mafia, simply because of exactly that fact. Fair enough. Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 20:03 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2014 19:55 justanothertownie wrote:
Palmar you seem to be really sure that GB is town all of a sudden. Can you elaborate on that? Short version I think his tone and activity are more likely to come from a townie. He at some point came under fire for his opinions and stuck to his guns. Also I don't remember him being so adamant about wanting people to know his reads and how strong they were when he was mafia. It seems to matter to him that people know what he's thinking. Meeeh... do you really think his activity is that different from his scumgame? And I don't know if you can call what he did "sticking to his guns". I thought his play so far was rather defensive. I can give examples in a second. Again the strength of your read seems not in proportion with your reasoning.
Well the strength of my read is also because everyone wanted to lynch him, or I got the feeling that he was gaining too much steam as a candidate too fast. But that's terrible reasoning so don't tell anyone I used that.
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On September 26 2014 20:10 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 20:04 Palmar wrote:
Why are you guys not commenting on my feeling about Hopeless, do you have a particular reason to think he's town? Am I missing something? because he's being useless and probably mafia
So we kill?
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Let's lynch Hopeless and see where that takes us.
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i'm just counting on our cop not being retarded and checking HF tonight. I honestly don't care about him all that much.
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Also, why isn't this Hopeless train going faster? Let's burn him.
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On September 26 2014 21:42 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 21:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On September 26 2014 21:37 justanothertownie wrote:
Why do you think HF is particularly untrustworthy this game? It feels like he's letting the thread stagnate when he's normally a super active player. Then there's the fact that he's already tried pushing someone by misrepresenting his own meta, which is basically his scum meta.Definitely not a lynch prospect for me at the moment, but I feel like it's worth looking into. when did this happen...?
I guess he's talking about the Haru thing.
I found it funny and liked your alignment for it, but as a viable case it was a stretch.
It's as bs as the shit I pulled on you in that cell game where I deconstructed your case on some bullshit meta because of timing on posts.
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On September 26 2014 21:55 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 21:53 Holyflare wrote:
why aren't you voting hopeless jat? Not convinced that he is a better lynch than let's say Sky. Since he isn't here it wouldn't pressure him at all.
Just do it bitch?
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Haru is a stupid policy lynch.
Hopeless is far more likely to be successful.
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although I find reason 3) section (iii) to be a fantastic argument for lynching someone.
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On September 26 2014 21:57 GlowingBear wrote:
I have a great fear hope will flip town
Explain why, or I'm lynching you out of spite.
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On September 26 2014 22:40 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 22:37 Palmar wrote:
Haru is a stupid policy lynch.
Hopeless is far more likely to be successful. Why is it a policy lynch and why is it stupid?
Read my post on his filter.
And it's stupid because policy lynching assholes is fun, but not very productive.
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We're switching to hopeless because I brought him up. The fact that no one had done so before should make you support my case if anything.
And yes, I want to lynch him. It's a good lynch.
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On September 26 2014 22:45 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 22:43 Holyflare wrote:Because I can be wrong, HF. Because I saw a sudden shift to hopeless, not in votes, but on arguments. And there is a possibility it's town realisation, but I'm afraid, for how the switch to hopeless was fast, that it could be also mafia driven. I think it's okay to have doubts on it. Don't you have? Do you have any information I don't? How was there a sudden change at all? Palmar posted a case on like 3 ppl which we commented on and then he asked for hopeless read/comments And then people just said "hey, hopeless is scum lololol". This is the point I'm at. I'm analysing scenarios, HF. He can be scum, as I've already said, but it could be mafia driven. You think it couldn't?
It's literally me and HF
Which one of us is scum?
Hell HF is being useless. This is Palmar driven. Do you think my logic is off? Do you disagree with what I wrote in that big post on hopeless?
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you're like this close to have your permission to have opinions revoked GB.
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On September 26 2014 22:50 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 22:46 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2014 22:45 GlowingBear wrote:On September 26 2014 22:43 Holyflare wrote:Because I can be wrong, HF. Because I saw a sudden shift to hopeless, not in votes, but on arguments. And there is a possibility it's town realisation, but I'm afraid, for how the switch to hopeless was fast, that it could be also mafia driven. I think it's okay to have doubts on it. Don't you have? Do you have any information I don't? How was there a sudden change at all? Palmar posted a case on like 3 ppl which we commented on and then he asked for hopeless read/comments And then people just said "hey, hopeless is scum lololol". This is the point I'm at. I'm analysing scenarios, HF. He can be scum, as I've already said, but it could be mafia driven. You think it couldn't? It's literally me and HF Which one of us is scum? Hell HF is being useless. This is Palmar driven. Do you think my logic is off? Do you disagree with what I wrote in that big post on hopeless? Nope, my phrasing was wrong. I think your case is legit but the following posts sheeping you may not be. I've already said HF is scummy IMO. Btw in his scum play it is just like him to read someone as scum and then shifting his opinion. He did it awkwardly (in the way I see) with Haru and now he did it with me.
Who sheeps and who doesn't sheep has nothing to do with the validity of the case.
Either you think I'm right on hopeless or wrong. Go figure out which one you think I am. When you've realized that I'm more likely to be right, vote him.
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On September 26 2014 22:51 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 22:48 Palmar wrote:
you're like this close to have your permission to have opinions revoked GB. HAHAHAHA ok. I'm just posting what I think. It's up to you to evaluate if I'm right or wrong because I was incapable of leading town anyway.
If you allow yourself to think like this, all mafia has to do if one of their scumbuddies is being voted is to bus the fuck out of him, and you will defend him because "the wagon might be mafia driven"
Trust me, I understand what you're trying to do, but it's generally a terrible idea to judge someone's alignment on the actions of others.
For example, JAT and HF say I might be right on Hopeless. That doesn't say anything about Hopeless. Only Hopeless posts as Hopeless, and thus only posts made by Hopeless should be used to evaluate Hopeless. All I did was draw attention to him in order for you to read him.
You cannot judge Hopeless' alignment based on what HF does. HF could be bussing, HF could be jumping easy town lynch, HF could be town and agree with me, and HF could be town and wrong. There's literally nothing you can know about Hopeless based on what HF does, simply because HF is not Hopeless, they're different people.
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