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Hapahauli
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United States9305 Posts
September 25 2014 04:11 GMT
#914
The cost? What?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 25 2014 04:14 GMT
#917
Yes, it is slightly less optimal to lynch VE over other targets mechanically.

That does not mean we shouldn't lynch someone who is mafia.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 25 2014 04:22 GMT
#920
On September 25 2014 13:19 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 13:16 Grackaroni wrote:
I would actually be willing to lynch VE despite what I said at the start of the day. I'm not happy though that Oats wouldn't make an effort to talk to me.

Then let's lynch Oats or Damdred. If VE flips town and if CR doesn't martyr, then town is in a really shitty position.


You are making statements about risk that do not make sense.

How is it a "shitty" position, as opposed to a slightly less optimal one?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 25 2014 04:24 GMT
#923
On September 25 2014 13:23 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 13:22 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 25 2014 13:19 geript wrote:
On September 25 2014 13:16 Grackaroni wrote:
I would actually be willing to lynch VE despite what I said at the start of the day. I'm not happy though that Oats wouldn't make an effort to talk to me.

Then let's lynch Oats or Damdred. If VE flips town and if CR doesn't martyr, then town is in a really shitty position.


You are making statements about risk that do not make sense.

How is it a "shitty" position, as opposed to a slightly less optimal one?

Because then we're almost priced into lynching CR because he's likely poisoner or arsonist.


What in the hell are you talking about?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 25 2014 04:27 GMT
#924
Also dealing with CR is extremely easy. We just promise as a town to lynch him if he doesn't use his power night 1.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 25 2014 04:30 GMT
#927
That literally does not make sense. CR does not have to use his power unless we force him to. Him not using his power N1 also does not affect the chances of him being a certain type of neutral.

Hell why doesn't your agument apply to situations not involving killing VE? You're basically laying the groundwork for lynching CR Day 2 i fhe doesn't use his power regardless of who we lynch on Day 1.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 25 2014 04:32 GMT
#928
On September 25 2014 13:28 geript wrote:
CR has claimed 3p defender. If he does not martyr on N1 and VE flips town, then he is most likely the arsonist or poisoner. So if VE flips town, we almost have to autolynch him or shoot him to prevent him from being able to whittle down town for a joint victory with mafia.


According to this:
If VE flips town, we'd lynch CR if he doesn't use his power night one. How does that not apply to all other scenarios?
If VE flips scum, we'd still want to lynch CR.
IF we lynch someone other than VE, we'd STILL want to lynch an unconfirmed CR.

So what on earth are you talking about?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 25 2014 04:34 GMT
#929
And how are we even locked into 2 lynches?

We lynch VE. He flips whatever. CR will use his power, because the only way for him to lose the game is if we lynch him Day 2. We are not locked into 2 lynches.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 25 2014 04:42 GMT
#931
On September 25 2014 13:41 geript wrote:
Idk, the CR situation probably applies regardless of who is lynched. I just wish that you made me feel all super town about you and that Oats or Damdred would make me think they're actually town.


No shit.

I have to go to bed earlier than 6am tonight. Make your meta case on Damdred and I'll take a look tomorrow morning.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 25 2014 19:48 GMT
#1105
We're still lynching VE.
On September 26 2014 03:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On September 26 2014 03:13 Promethelax wrote:
I find myself suspicious of my partner. Yamato hasn't done anything really in qt. I've been using it more than I thought I would since I wanted to make sure we read each other as town since, if we are both town, we are the strongest town-town pairing.

In qt and in thread Yam has posted little one liners and argued with DP. That is it.

He said he would talk to me about his reads since he thinks I am town but he simply hasn't. The last thing he said was that VA is someone he ignores.

I'm not terribly interested in lynching Yamato today but it is something I would like to hear opinions on. I see people giving him a town read but I don't see why.

I think I want to lynch my QT mate Chairman Ray. Like - I was giving him a pass because claim, but I've been like trying to exchange thoughts and ideas in our QT and there's just no reciprocation whatsoever. He's not playing the game in the QT, and he's not playing the game in the thread. He's not trying to with the game with town, frankly he's not trying to win the game as any alignment. I don't think he's playing like a third-party who turns into a town. So I want to lynch him because that's the role he's claimed.

Any questions?

##Vote: Chairman Ray


How can you make this post and have read the thread?

It's a complete cop-out vote. Put your vote on someone that provides no impact, that everyone abandoned for today, and provides literally no useful information towards finding mafia.

Regarding my meta case, DP did bring up a good point about him going after DP in "The Game." So that part of my meta case was wrong - didn't expect to have to go back 20 town games. Regardless, I do not believe town-VE is the type of player that's town-reading MM1 and Damdred so early into the game. That's very, very unlike any of his town games, including "the game."

We need to start consolidating. The people voting Damdred and Oats still have not made a case on them and are doing some weird process of elimination thing, which is not an adequate reason to lynch someone.

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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 25 2014 19:51 GMT
#1106
On September 26 2014 03:40 Promethelax wrote:
...

I'd like to hear from hapa why he thinks Abuse seems townie since he should have the best insight.


I don't think abuse is mega town. I just don't have a reason to lynch him, and the only reason brought forth to lynch him is because he's a safe coinflip.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 25 2014 19:57 GMT
#1108
On September 25 2014 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
Jesus I guess if I'm that scummy then where I'd look next are people who have townreads on me in spite of how I'm playing. Like, if I REALLY don't look town then people who are right about me might have too much information or something.

Fuck Hapa, couldn't you have just been scum?


VE stated in this thread that he believed people town-reading him could be suspicious.

Instead of following this train of thought at all, he doesn't even attempt to find mafia and votes for CR.

Lynch with fire.

Seriously.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 25 2014 20:05 GMT
#1114
On September 26 2014 04:57 Damdred wrote:
@Hapa

VEs lack of being present at this point in the day is worrying, or at least sticking around. After the VE flip where would you go if we lynched him? And what do you think of MM?


I'm strongly reading geript as town, which makes me not-so-want-to-lynch-MM. MM's behavior is... meh. It's bad, but I'm not sure if it's lynchbait bad or mafia bad.

In other words, I'd rather have this conversation after we know what VE flips.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 25 2014 20:11 GMT
#1119
On September 26 2014 05:09 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 04:48 Hapahauli wrote:
We're still lynching VE.
On September 26 2014 03:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
On September 26 2014 03:13 Promethelax wrote:
I find myself suspicious of my partner. Yamato hasn't done anything really in qt. I've been using it more than I thought I would since I wanted to make sure we read each other as town since, if we are both town, we are the strongest town-town pairing.

In qt and in thread Yam has posted little one liners and argued with DP. That is it.

He said he would talk to me about his reads since he thinks I am town but he simply hasn't. The last thing he said was that VA is someone he ignores.

I'm not terribly interested in lynching Yamato today but it is something I would like to hear opinions on. I see people giving him a town read but I don't see why.

I think I want to lynch my QT mate Chairman Ray. Like - I was giving him a pass because claim, but I've been like trying to exchange thoughts and ideas in our QT and there's just no reciprocation whatsoever. He's not playing the game in the QT, and he's not playing the game in the thread. He's not trying to with the game with town, frankly he's not trying to win the game as any alignment. I don't think he's playing like a third-party who turns into a town. So I want to lynch him because that's the role he's claimed.

Any questions?

##Vote: Chairman Ray


How can you make this post and have read the thread?

It's a complete cop-out vote. Put your vote on someone that provides no impact, that everyone abandoned for today, and provides literally no useful information towards finding mafia.

Regarding my meta case, DP did bring up a good point about him going after DP in "The Game." So that part of my meta case was wrong - didn't expect to have to go back 20 town games. Regardless, I do not believe town-VE is the type of player that's town-reading MM1 and Damdred so early into the game. That's very, very unlike any of his town games, including "the game."

We need to start consolidating. The people voting Damdred and Oats still have not made a case on them and are doing some weird process of elimination thing, which is not an adequate reason to lynch someone.


Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 03:26 geript wrote:
@Prome Here is a link to his only game here; idk if (s)he's played elsewhere. At first glance it seems pretty standard new player flaws and was modkilled N2 (I'm assuming for inactivity but I'll doublecheck).

Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 03:35 geript wrote:
On August 27 2014 19:07 abuse wrote:
meatpudding
His reply to my initial first 4 questions satisfies me deeply (no perv intended)
He is giving an experienced player vibe, even though this is a newbie game.

He seems to be the only person to actually read my posts how I intended them to be read, and does good analysis of the situation.
Same as Barakos, even if he turns out to be scum in the end(which I also do not believe to be the case), I think having him along the way will still help town a lot.
His posts are logical and have meaning behind them. He does not try to ignore questions and try to negatively push any flaws he sees in others' posts. He asks about them instead of attacking.

Also - I do not see him to be the cop, I do see him as town though.

This is the only type of thing I really have to fault when comparing the two. He earlyish into D1 (started on p6 and he posted a series of these at p11) that he goes through a bit methodically about reading people. He hasn't really done this at all. He seems really detached in general in comparison.

There's a minor townie point for him and his gum comment on me as that type of attitude pervades his newbie filter, but the rest of what he posted seems pretty different actually.

Here's something to look at. Both Prome and I agreed on it.


Yeah I read that game too. But making a meta tell of a person based on 1 game is... not good.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 25 2014 20:17 GMT
#1125
On September 26 2014 03:09 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 04:08 abuse wrote:
1. is a fair point but I am not good with collecting my thoughts well on such huge information loads, so I just go with how I can manage. and I do not agree with 2. I am pretty clear with who I find suspicious and who I find legit.

me and hapa or oats and damdred?
Would you say that the chances are high that 3 mafia are among these 4?
I know I'm not scum and hapa does not seem like scum either. Both Oats and Damdred have not said anything so far that would strike as anti town or scummy.
Why are you sure that there is no scum between DP and Vayne? Does vayne's play so far seem legit and not worth looking into? I'm having a hard time understanding this..


Can people who have played with abuse before tell me if he is usually this wishy washy? This entire post is just an attempt to push the lynch away from himself and onto anywhere else it could stick without actually scum hunting or attempting to find the correct target.

DP and Vayne have been been garnering attention up to this point but abuse doesn't say that he thinks either one is scum. Instead he wants geript to call them scum and stop calling him/hapa scum.

If I had to pick a single post to lynch someone over I would call this the most lynch worthy post thus far in the game.


You mean this?

It seems like a pretty typical newbie post, no? Plus he's very consistently suspicious of Vayne in my conversations with him in the QT, so I think that post looks better to me. Perhaps unsatisfying to you guys, but w/e.

I really don't want to get into the mindset of forcing myself to defend abuse, because my reasons for not wanting to lynch him are more along the lines of "how could everyone see VE's vote on CR and not want to lynch him with fire?"
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 25 2014 20:52 GMT
#1150
Well atleast we have a lynch.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 25 2014 21:33 GMT
#1163
On September 26 2014 06:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 04:59 Promethelax wrote:
##Vote: VE

Not only am I trusting Hapa on this (which I am) VE totally abandoned the thread with a shit vote. I questioned him on it and he did nothing at all to justify it. I doubt he had even read the thread.

This is false. I read the thread, but I'm getting pissed about CR. He's literally not doing anything in the thread OR the QT. I was suspicious of him when he made the claim and now I'm REALLY suspicious. It's not a shit vote, maybe you can tell me why CR is town/3p instead of mafia?


Do you think a mafia would come in the thread, talk about 3rd parties, instantly make a claim that could be cc'd when only 3-4 people have posted, then literally do nothing all game?

Also, people aren't lynching CR because we will verify his claim tonight. If he doesn't martyr, we hang him tomorrow. Easy.

On September 26 2014 06:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I have a better read on CR than anyone because I'm sharing a QT with him. And I'm saying I think he's mafia instead of 3p.


You clearly don't have a better read on him, since...
He's literally not doing anything in the thread OR the QT.

Like - I was giving him a pass because claim, but I've been like trying to exchange thoughts and ideas in our QT and there's just no reciprocation whatsoever. He's not playing the game in the QT, and he's not playing the game in the thread.


How can you have a better read on him if he's doing equally little in the thread and QT?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 25 2014 21:36 GMT
#1165
You mean he isn't ignoring the thread? He's just popped in to defend himself, not to read people.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 25 2014 21:40 GMT
#1170
On September 26 2014 06:38 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 06:30 Grackaroni wrote:
It's more of just a case of Hapa being the only one that wrote a case today and most of us agreeing with it.


Wasn't the case like complete basedd on meta and I found a game that didn;t comply with that meta. What IS hapa's case exactly?


Although VE, voting for CR after I negotiated with him is like the most WHAT THE FUCK?!?! thing ever.

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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 25 2014 21:49 GMT
#1193
What's gushing-town about a guy showing up 30 minutes before lynch after afk'ing most of the day?

See: Hero Mini Mafia for mafia VE doing this exact thing.
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