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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
September 26 2014 22:32 GMT
#1305
I think leaving CR alive is beneficial to us. Either he is 3p or scum. If he is 3p he may be defender we should allow him to try to use his power to prove that. If he is scum maf has to hold their kill every night to protect him. I'm happy with that.

Bonus points: we all have a confirmed town in abuse. The best kind of confirmed town. One scum doesn't want to have to waste a shot on because he hasn't actually contributed anything individually.

Game theory says to lynch outside of CR.

Tell me your scum reads people. Not your 3p reads.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
September 27 2014 08:27 GMT
#1395
On September 27 2014 15:26 geript wrote:
I was going to let this play out a bit longer but I really don't think there's a point to honestly. Let's clear the air while we still can.

@Prome would you like to claim 3P defender now? I'm actually pretty sure that you're 3P and not vet because of how you approached CR and VE. I thought about trying to let it play out differently and potentially let you take another hit or sacrifice yourself, but I'm pretty sure it's better for town to force you to claim.


You ain't too bright there, eh bud? If I was 3p and shot by mafia last night I'd be dead.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
September 27 2014 08:30 GMT
#1396
People who would shoot me in this game:

Oats
Yamato
DP
Kush

People I have histories with who I have expressed town reads of, no one else makes sense because I really haven't been playing terribly well or done anything very interesting.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
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Canada7089 Posts
September 27 2014 08:34 GMT
#1401
On September 27 2014 17:32 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2014 17:27 Promethelax wrote:
On September 27 2014 15:26 geript wrote:
I was going to let this play out a bit longer but I really don't think there's a point to honestly. Let's clear the air while we still can.

@Prome would you like to claim 3P defender now? I'm actually pretty sure that you're 3P and not vet because of how you approached CR and VE. I thought about trying to let it play out differently and potentially let you take another hit or sacrifice yourself, but I'm pretty sure it's better for town to force you to claim.


You ain't too bright there, eh bud? If I was 3p and shot by mafia last night I'd be dead.

Hmmm I was reading the "body block aspect" wrong then. I just want to be clear just in case because the sample role pms aren't exactly the best. Claiming vet?


Claiming dick all. Claiming town aligned. If I am vet or if I was medic saved scum will have to take a guess if they want to hit me again to more night.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
September 27 2014 08:37 GMT
#1406
On September 27 2014 17:34 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2014 17:30 Promethelax wrote:
People who would shoot me in this game:

Oats
Yamato
DP
Kush

People I have histories with who I have expressed town reads of, no one else makes sense because I really haven't been playing terribly well or done anything very interesting.

I think it's worth considering the kills in regards of Hapa dying. VE being the vengful mafia makes the game pretty drastically different.


Hapa was the obvious kill. He was super town and had just made the case that got VE lynched. Who the hell else would you kill? Me? I'd forced votes but done essentially nothing. DP? He looks terrible he chainsaw defended mafia and tried to start counter wagons at the last minute. Yamato? He didn't say anything all game. You? You looked good but not anything close to how Hapa looked.
And that is assuming all those people are town, no one else would be worth the night kill over that group anyways.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
September 27 2014 08:40 GMT
#1408
On September 27 2014 17:36 DarthPunk wrote:
I agree with the general premise however. Although keep in mind VE knew he was dying and probably left instructions in the qt.


Scum VE thinks I'm really good actually. I wouldn't be shocked if he wanted me dead.

I tore his team a new asshole in carnival cruise and smashed the scum team when VE was town in PYP:LoL. I also was the only town player in the OMGus resistance mafia to get any part of the scum team right and I got 3/4 of them after VE fucked me hard as scum.

He usually has it out for me when he is red and I'm green,
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
September 27 2014 08:40 GMT
#1409
On September 27 2014 17:38 DarthPunk wrote:
Huh|? How did I chainsaw defend VE?

I admit to the counterwagon shit though. LOL.


That was someone else trying to refute hapa's meta case was it?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
September 27 2014 08:42 GMT
#1412
On September 27 2014 17:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2014 17:40 Promethelax wrote:
On September 27 2014 17:36 DarthPunk wrote:
I agree with the general premise however. Although keep in mind VE knew he was dying and probably left instructions in the qt.


Scum VE thinks I'm really good actually. I wouldn't be shocked if he wanted me dead.

I tore his team a new asshole in carnival cruise and smashed the scum team when VE was town in PYP:LoL. I also was the only town player in the OMGus resistance mafia to get any part of the scum team right and I got 3/4 of them after VE fucked me hard as scum.

He usually has it out for me when he is red and I'm green,


Well that explains it most likely.


I still think scum is one of the four I posted earlier. Probably not kush though. He thinks I'm trash tier.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
September 27 2014 08:44 GMT
#1415
On September 27 2014 17:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2014 17:40 Promethelax wrote:
On September 27 2014 17:38 DarthPunk wrote:
Huh|? How did I chainsaw defend VE?

I admit to the counterwagon shit though. LOL.


That was someone else trying to refute hapa's meta case was it?


I mean. I didn't try. I DID refute it. The meta case was still incorrect, even if VE was scum after all.


One game from a year ago is not refutation, stick to not using meta. You are excellent when you don't stay towards the dark side of mafia games. Much less impressive when you do.

How likely is it that Vanye is 3p in your opinion?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
September 27 2014 08:46 GMT
#1418
On September 27 2014 17:44 geript wrote:
@Prome do you agree that I should track DP tonight?


Pick someone you think is scum and track him. If it is DP track DP. If it is me track me. Don't disclose to the thread in case there is a fucked up framer role. Everything else is the game is terribly broken and poorly defined so don't discount that possibility.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
September 27 2014 08:47 GMT
#1419
On September 27 2014 17:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2014 17:44 Promethelax wrote:
On September 27 2014 17:41 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 27 2014 17:40 Promethelax wrote:
On September 27 2014 17:38 DarthPunk wrote:
Huh|? How did I chainsaw defend VE?

I admit to the counterwagon shit though. LOL.


That was someone else trying to refute hapa's meta case was it?


I mean. I didn't try. I DID refute it. The meta case was still incorrect, even if VE was scum after all.


One game from a year ago is not refutation, stick to not using meta. You are excellent when you don't stay towards the dark side of mafia games. Much less impressive when you do.

How likely is it that Vanye is 3p in your opinion?


A town game is a town game is a town game.

And I don't need pointers from you Prome. :D


At meta you do ;p
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
September 27 2014 08:53 GMT
#1426
On September 27 2014 17:50 geript wrote:
To be fair DP, I saw that CR said both his partners were mad that he claimed 3p. I don't think it terribly changes things in any regard.

@Prome could you check my read on Abuse. Do you agree with it and the reasoning behind it?


The general premise of the read is one I've used and support. It entails a weak scum player though and since I have no idea of abuse's scum capabilities I'd call him a town lean but not as confirmed as you seem to think he is.

I think oats has a decent chance of being the last scum actually.

DP: are you sure there can be only one of each role? This set-up seems poorly thought out and poorly defined. I can't find anywhere that it says only one is possible.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
September 27 2014 08:55 GMT
#1429
CR is mafia goon.
All other roles impossible.
Unless there are two bonders.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
September 27 2014 08:58 GMT
#1432
On September 27 2014 17:53 DarthPunk wrote:
WOW I wish Kush's filter link was in the OP.

Kinda useful.


But that would require kush to not be an ass and sign up for games on alt accounts. Something he has been doing since before I left.

Oats just hasn't done anything at all townie, his activity is shit which it usually isn't as town. He tried to call me out for town reading him early and kept trying to get me lynched which he isn't likely to do as town unless he just want Senpai to notice him.
Oats is probably the first mafia player on this site to ever look up to me and last hasn't stopped since I coached his newbies forever ago. He likes to be buddies when we are town but tries to avoid me when he is scum. Plus he would want to shoot me as scum.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
September 27 2014 09:00 GMT
#1433
On September 27 2014 17:56 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2014 17:53 Promethelax wrote:
On September 27 2014 17:50 geript wrote:
To be fair DP, I saw that CR said both his partners were mad that he claimed 3p. I don't think it terribly changes things in any regard.

@Prome could you check my read on Abuse. Do you agree with it and the reasoning behind it?


The general premise of the read is one I've used and support. It entails a weak scum player though and since I have no idea of abuse's scum capabilities I'd call him a town lean but not as confirmed as you seem to think he is.

I think oats has a decent chance of being the last scum actually.

DP: are you sure there can be only one of each role? This set-up seems poorly thought out and poorly defined. I can't find anywhere that it says only one is possible.


No. but anyone who has played mafia sort of has inherent ideas of what is balanced. And two werewolves would mean that town would HAVE to mislynch one of them or auto win. SO I think that possibility (two werewolves being possible) would not have occurred to someone fakeclaiming at the start of the game.


Werewolf is susceptible to 3p kills, it isn't as outlandish as you are saying it is. Though it is really fucking retarded and Vanye usually understands what is and isn't retarded in terms of roles.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
September 27 2014 09:05 GMT
#1437
On September 27 2014 18:03 geript wrote:
So where do I fall in order in the line of "newbies that looked up to you?"


You weren't new when you decided that I was awesome. It was PYP:LoL and you'd been playing for a while.

DP: who are your top scum reads?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
September 27 2014 09:09 GMT
#1439
Geript: top scum reads?
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
September 27 2014 09:23 GMT
#1449
On September 27 2014 18:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
Activity arguments not relevant, I've been playing like this for a while.
Promes argument falls apart when he is saying that I would avoid him as scum. Is making a case on him avoiding him? I don't think so.
Also, as scum I'm super happy with town reads, why the funk would I argue against it? That's just bad scum play.

Geript, why is prome necessarily defender rather than the other 2?


Hey little donkey. You buddy me as town. You don't as scum. That is what I meant by avoid. I'm clearly town and not 3p (unless geript and i are in cahoots) stop wasting your time.

Who do you think is scum? We'll deal with 3p after scum is dead.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
September 27 2014 09:38 GMT
#1454
Damdred is super townie. I just read his filter. You should too.

Either 3p is poisoner or arsonist. Both are weaker than mafia. Poisoner cannot immodestly remove threats to himself and arsonist can only light once so he has to reach endgame with the right players soaked. Both are less powerful than mafia. Also I like killing mafia. On top of that last mafia may have a role, both strongman and vig are extremely potent.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
September 27 2014 09:50 GMT
#1457
On September 25 2014 03:38 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
I don't really like VE, this game. Maybe his reads on me have changed since he found out my IRL identity, but i don't think he calls me town this early. My case on kush wasn't even serious when i posted it, and yet somehow i gained massive town points for it?


On September 24 2014 11:44 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
I actually dont like cr's play atm either. Hes roled mafia every game on tl, and complains everytime that he isnt town. I feel like he would be happier to play.


Something to consider. These were MM1's first serious reads in game. Anyone know if he suffers from kush syndrome?


On September 26 2014 07:11 Grackaroni wrote:
CR you are really fucked if you aren't defender that saves tonight lol


Correct. A little too correct. And he has been obsessing over 3p all day. Decent candidate for 3p.

On September 24 2014 07:40 Grackaroni wrote:
I guess that narrows CR/VE out of the lynch pool for today.


Ewwwwww

On September 26 2014 18:41 abuse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 18:09 DarthPunk wrote:
That is basically it. There is a fuckload or elitism on this site. Kind of justified because Many of the players here are objectively very skilled. But it also means it takes a while to earn the respect of the vets.


Seems counter-productive if you want more people in your community.


This is abuse' last post. I think he is mad. He strikes me as townieish. Pretty involved but hasn't really done anything. Whines a lot. I don't think he'd be mad at CR claiming though.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
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