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Hi i'm back.
I don't think Geript looks scummy at all.
From skimming the thread it seems like hapa could very well be mafia, I have a few reasons for this, some of it is dated meta but he is just not behaving in the same way that I would expect him too as town.
I also think that this post is pretty off.
On September 24 2014 11:22 Hapahauli wrote:No. *pout*
Like I would expect hapa to question yamato about this read. try and figure out why the fuck Yamato 'incorrectly' thinks he is mafia. But he says nothing and then starts making big posts about geript being scum. He ignores the pressure and switches the thread onto another lynch target.
Despite some token questioning hapa doesn't seem as invested in figuring shit out as I would expect. Not questioning yamato on his scum read of hapa is really fucking weird and his meta doesn't match what I expect from him as town.
Further, Hapa in the past has almost ALWAYS pressured me hard at the start of games in order to determine my alignment. This game, I posted some stuff that should have looked pretty bad. But Hapa just ignored it after I provided some token excuses and does not move to question or pressure me to the extent I would expect or have experienced in the past.
Which further reinforced my doubts on hapa's investment in figuring shit out.
As for the geript read:
I don't think being "disjointed with the thread flow" and talking about other shit is scummy. In fact I think it is townie to ignore stuff and talk about what you want. I think that is a really weird reason to be super confident in a scum!geript read.
I agree that geripts posturing was kinda weird but once again not even close to enough to express the kind of confidence that hapa expressed about geript being scum.
@ yamato Why did you think hapa was scum originally?
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Also vayne has not posted in our qt at all for what it is worth. I feel like not doing so is objectively anti-town.
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On September 24 2014 12:47 yamato77 wrote:
I didn't think Hapa was mafia
I just said something to get a reaction from people
It was a boring moment in the thread.
And do you think Hapa knew that? Is there some obvious reason for not questioning you on that throw away read?
Cause if you called ME mafia I would be all up in your grill about why, especially if you provided zero reasoning, and I think Town!Hapa would want to know your thought process also, rather than just ignoring it which is essentially what he did.
What do you think of my hapa post?
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On September 24 2014 12:04 Grackaroni wrote:
I can get behind a Geript lynch
##Vote: Geript
Why?
What is so convincing about hapa's case on geript that makes you able to get behind a lynch on him?
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On September 24 2014 12:51 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 12:50 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 12:47 yamato77 wrote:
I didn't think Hapa was mafia
I just said something to get a reaction from people
It was a boring moment in the thread. And do you think Hapa knew that? Is there some obvious reason for not questioning you on that throw away read? Cause if you called ME mafia I would be all up in your grill about why, especially if you provided zero reasoning, and I think Town!Hapa would want to know your thought process also, rather than just ignoring it which is essentially what he did. What do you think of my hapa post? Of course I knew that. Do you think I"m the densest player in the world?
How did you know that? What evidence was there that the read was not genuine?
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On September 24 2014 10:40 Grackaroni wrote:
I was actually leaning more townie on Hapa. I liked his explanation for voting me.
What did hapa say that makes you think voting for you was townie?
What specifically did you like about it?
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On September 24 2014 12:56 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 12:51 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 12:51 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 12:50 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 12:47 yamato77 wrote:
I didn't think Hapa was mafia
I just said something to get a reaction from people
It was a boring moment in the thread. And do you think Hapa knew that? Is there some obvious reason for not questioning you on that throw away read? Cause if you called ME mafia I would be all up in your grill about why, especially if you provided zero reasoning, and I think Town!Hapa would want to know your thought process also, rather than just ignoring it which is essentially what he did. What do you think of my hapa post? Of course I knew that. Do you think I"m the densest player in the world? How did you know that? What evidence was there that the read was not genuine? Because I dont' think like a brick.
Correct there was no evidence. A townie would question Yamato for that. Hell the first thing I thought when I read that was "why?" but you just ignored it. That is scummy.
Vayne could very well be scum. He basically has a hard on for lynching the least threatening third party we could have in this game.
I mean, sure, I could lynch third party. But I would want to try and lynch mafia first.
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On September 24 2014 13:01 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 12:53 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 10:40 Grackaroni wrote:
I was actually leaning more townie on Hapa. I liked his explanation for voting me. What did hapa say that makes you think voting for you was townie? What specifically did you like about it? Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 07:59 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 07:53 Grackaroni wrote:On September 24 2014 07:42 Hapahauli wrote:
##Vote Grakaroni
I am not a fan of how you so offhandedly dismissed VE from the lynch pool. I can understand disagreeing with me but I don't quite understand why this is scummy? Are you implying that I was trying to protect a scum VE before he even posted? Nah just throwing my vote around 'cause why not. What you said makes sense. I disagree, but makes sense. ##UnvoteOn September 24 2014 07:53 VayneAuthority wrote:
CR is basically a mafia medic why arent we lynching him again? there hasnt been an easier d1 lynch in ages. im fine with you correctly pointing out grack's weird dismissal of VE but not with your vote. I'd much rather lynch mafia than a 3rd party. Also, how is he a mafia medic? If defender saves someone, they win with town, apparently regardless of the alignment of the saved person. I didn't see any reason for me being scummy so I thought Hapa's vote was strange but I vote people like that sometimes too as town just to get the game started faster and start getting info. I think scum would feel more pressured to justify their vote rather than backtrack.
Disagree with the bolded.
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On September 24 2014 13:03 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 13:00 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 12:56 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 12:51 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 12:51 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 12:50 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 12:47 yamato77 wrote:
I didn't think Hapa was mafia
I just said something to get a reaction from people
It was a boring moment in the thread. And do you think Hapa knew that? Is there some obvious reason for not questioning you on that throw away read? Cause if you called ME mafia I would be all up in your grill about why, especially if you provided zero reasoning, and I think Town!Hapa would want to know your thought process also, rather than just ignoring it which is essentially what he did. What do you think of my hapa post? Of course I knew that. Do you think I"m the densest player in the world? How did you know that? What evidence was there that the read was not genuine? Because I dont' think like a brick. Correct there was no evidence. A townie would question Yamato for that. Hell the first thing I thought when I read that was "why?" but you just ignored it. That is scummy.
Vayne could very well be scum. He basically has a hard on for lynching the least threatening third party we could have in this game. I mean, sure, I could lynch third party. But I would want to try and lynch mafia first. Ok. Given that Yamato and I have an extensive history, why should I feel remotely threatened by something he does all the time? There are things not worth caring about. For some reason, you think my meta is that I"m reactionary to every time my name is mentioned. Which is far from the truth.
No i think your meta is to try and figure out why people do/say stuff and there is a distinct lack of that. I also think your geript case looks and feels contrived, none of your stated explanations for scum!geript are that convincing and yet you are confident in your read for a reason I can't fathom.
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On September 24 2014 13:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
its the best play at the moment, if some one can make a compelling case ill consider it but when day 1 is usually hit or miss ill take a 3rd party kill that is CLAIMING IN THREAD that he is going to play anti-town death any day.
Why don't YOU try and make a case on someone? Or at least put some pressure on so you can find scum.
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On September 24 2014 13:08 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 13:07 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:03 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 13:00 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 12:56 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 12:51 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 12:51 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 12:50 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 12:47 yamato77 wrote:
I didn't think Hapa was mafia
I just said something to get a reaction from people
It was a boring moment in the thread. And do you think Hapa knew that? Is there some obvious reason for not questioning you on that throw away read? Cause if you called ME mafia I would be all up in your grill about why, especially if you provided zero reasoning, and I think Town!Hapa would want to know your thought process also, rather than just ignoring it which is essentially what he did. What do you think of my hapa post? Of course I knew that. Do you think I"m the densest player in the world? How did you know that? What evidence was there that the read was not genuine? Because I dont' think like a brick. Correct there was no evidence. A townie would question Yamato for that. Hell the first thing I thought when I read that was "why?" but you just ignored it. That is scummy.
Vayne could very well be scum. He basically has a hard on for lynching the least threatening third party we could have in this game. I mean, sure, I could lynch third party. But I would want to try and lynch mafia first. Ok. Given that Yamato and I have an extensive history, why should I feel remotely threatened by something he does all the time? There are things not worth caring about. For some reason, you think my meta is that I"m reactionary to every time my name is mentioned. Which is far from the truth. No i think your meta is to try and figure out why people do/say stuff and there is a distinct lack of that. I also think your geript case looks and feels contrived, none of your stated explanations for scum!geript are that convincing and yet you are confident in your read for a reason I can't fathom. For someone who hates bad meta cases, you are really bad at meta.
Or I am amazing and you are scum :D
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On September 24 2014 13:12 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 13:10 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:08 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 13:07 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:03 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 13:00 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 12:56 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 12:51 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 12:51 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 12:50 DarthPunk wrote:
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And do you think Hapa knew that? Is there some obvious reason for not questioning you on that throw away read?
Cause if you called ME mafia I would be all up in your grill about why, especially if you provided zero reasoning, and I think Town!Hapa would want to know your thought process also, rather than just ignoring it which is essentially what he did.
What do you think of my hapa post? Of course I knew that. Do you think I"m the densest player in the world? How did you know that? What evidence was there that the read was not genuine? Because I dont' think like a brick. Correct there was no evidence. A townie would question Yamato for that. Hell the first thing I thought when I read that was "why?" but you just ignored it. That is scummy.
Vayne could very well be scum. He basically has a hard on for lynching the least threatening third party we could have in this game. I mean, sure, I could lynch third party. But I would want to try and lynch mafia first. Ok. Given that Yamato and I have an extensive history, why should I feel remotely threatened by something he does all the time? There are things not worth caring about. For some reason, you think my meta is that I"m reactionary to every time my name is mentioned. Which is far from the truth. No i think your meta is to try and figure out why people do/say stuff and there is a distinct lack of that. I also think your geript case looks and feels contrived, none of your stated explanations for scum!geript are that convincing and yet you are confident in your read for a reason I can't fathom. For someone who hates bad meta cases, you are really bad at meta. Or I am amazing and you are scum :D Which do you think is more likely?
I think you are scum.
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On September 24 2014 13:22 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 13:14 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:12 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 13:10 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:08 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 13:07 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:03 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 13:00 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 12:56 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 12:51 DarthPunk wrote:
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How did you know that? What evidence was there that the read was not genuine? Because I dont' think like a brick. Correct there was no evidence. A townie would question Yamato for that. Hell the first thing I thought when I read that was "why?" but you just ignored it. That is scummy.
Vayne could very well be scum. He basically has a hard on for lynching the least threatening third party we could have in this game. I mean, sure, I could lynch third party. But I would want to try and lynch mafia first. Ok. Given that Yamato and I have an extensive history, why should I feel remotely threatened by something he does all the time? There are things not worth caring about. For some reason, you think my meta is that I"m reactionary to every time my name is mentioned. Which is far from the truth. No i think your meta is to try and figure out why people do/say stuff and there is a distinct lack of that. I also think your geript case looks and feels contrived, none of your stated explanations for scum!geript are that convincing and yet you are confident in your read for a reason I can't fathom. For someone who hates bad meta cases, you are really bad at meta. Or I am amazing and you are scum :D Which do you think is more likely? I think you are scum. This is going nowhere. Let me know when you're ready to do productive things. Like lynching geript.
I'm being productive. Why don't you try and convince me of geript being scum if you are so certain?
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On September 24 2014 13:27 Hapahauli wrote:Honestly DP, you don't even have to understand my case beyond what Damdred said: Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:On September 24 2014 12:51 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 12:04 Grackaroni wrote:
I can get behind a Geript lynch
##Vote: Geript Why? What is so convincing about hapa's case on geript that makes you able to get behind a lynch on him? Geript's posts just feel really awkward to me so I guess I like Hapa's narrative. Not realizing he has a qt doesn't really help his case. Think about how awkard geript's posts sound in the context of the thread. There is a clear conversation topic that everyone is discussing (CR's claim), then he enters the thread and posts completely useless crap, then a summary post of pairings. Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 13:23 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:22 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 13:14 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:12 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 13:10 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:08 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 13:07 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:03 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 13:00 DarthPunk wrote:
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Correct there was no evidence. A townie would question Yamato for that. Hell the first thing I thought when I read that was "why?" but you just ignored it. That is scummy.
Vayne could very well be scum. He basically has a hard on for lynching the least threatening third party we could have in this game.
I mean, sure, I could lynch third party. But I would want to try and lynch mafia first.
Ok. Given that Yamato and I have an extensive history, why should I feel remotely threatened by something he does all the time? There are things not worth caring about. For some reason, you think my meta is that I"m reactionary to every time my name is mentioned. Which is far from the truth. No i think your meta is to try and figure out why people do/say stuff and there is a distinct lack of that. I also think your geript case looks and feels contrived, none of your stated explanations for scum!geript are that convincing and yet you are confident in your read for a reason I can't fathom. For someone who hates bad meta cases, you are really bad at meta. Or I am amazing and you are scum :D Which do you think is more likely? I think you are scum. This is going nowhere. Let me know when you're ready to do productive things. Like lynching geript. I'm being productive. Why don't you try and convince me of geript being scum if you are so certain? See: above I generally don't care to argue with the one person in every one of my town games that always finds me scummy on day 1. It's a chore, and a waste of my time given that everyone else will read me as town.
I don't think you are scummy every time you are town at all. So that is bullshit.
Not engaging in a discourse is anti-town and if people read you as town from what you have contributed thus far well I would be appalled honestly.
What makes Geript more likely to be scum over a townie who didn't read his pm properly and was just talking shit at the start of the game?
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On September 24 2014 13:35 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 13:32 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:27 Hapahauli wrote:Honestly DP, you don't even have to understand my case beyond what Damdred said: On September 24 2014 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:On September 24 2014 12:51 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 12:04 Grackaroni wrote:
I can get behind a Geript lynch
##Vote: Geript Why? What is so convincing about hapa's case on geript that makes you able to get behind a lynch on him? Geript's posts just feel really awkward to me so I guess I like Hapa's narrative. Not realizing he has a qt doesn't really help his case. Think about how awkard geript's posts sound in the context of the thread. There is a clear conversation topic that everyone is discussing (CR's claim), then he enters the thread and posts completely useless crap, then a summary post of pairings. On September 24 2014 13:23 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:22 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 13:14 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:12 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 13:10 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:08 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 13:07 DarthPunk wrote:
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No i think your meta is to try and figure out why people do/say stuff and there is a distinct lack of that. I also think your geript case looks and feels contrived, none of your stated explanations for scum!geript are that convincing and yet you are confident in your read for a reason I can't fathom.
For someone who hates bad meta cases, you are really bad at meta. Or I am amazing and you are scum :D Which do you think is more likely? I think you are scum. This is going nowhere. Let me know when you're ready to do productive things. Like lynching geript. I'm being productive. Why don't you try and convince me of geript being scum if you are so certain? See: above I generally don't care to argue with the one person in every one of my town games that always finds me scummy on day 1. It's a chore, and a waste of my time given that everyone else will read me as town. I don't think you are scummy every time you are town at all. So that is bullshit. Not engaging in a discourse is anti-town and if people read you as town from what you have contributed thus far well I would be appalled honestly. Again, not worth my time. Show nested quote +What makes Geript more likely to be scum over a townie who didn't read his pm properly and was just talking shit at the start of the game? Because this is more than just him not reading his PM properly. This is him entering the thread and posting for the sake of posting as opposed to reading the thread. Odds are that a player who does something like this is mafia. Not a "townie who is talking shit."
I think mafia are more likely to read the thread properly and less likely to shitpost like that.
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On September 24 2014 13:36 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 13:36 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:35 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 13:32 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:27 Hapahauli wrote:Honestly DP, you don't even have to understand my case beyond what Damdred said: On September 24 2014 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:On September 24 2014 12:51 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 12:04 Grackaroni wrote:
I can get behind a Geript lynch
##Vote: Geript Why? What is so convincing about hapa's case on geript that makes you able to get behind a lynch on him? Geript's posts just feel really awkward to me so I guess I like Hapa's narrative. Not realizing he has a qt doesn't really help his case. Think about how awkard geript's posts sound in the context of the thread. There is a clear conversation topic that everyone is discussing (CR's claim), then he enters the thread and posts completely useless crap, then a summary post of pairings. On September 24 2014 13:23 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:22 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 13:14 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:12 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 13:10 DarthPunk wrote:
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Or I am amazing and you are scum :D Which do you think is more likely? I think you are scum. This is going nowhere. Let me know when you're ready to do productive things. Like lynching geript. I'm being productive. Why don't you try and convince me of geript being scum if you are so certain? See: above I generally don't care to argue with the one person in every one of my town games that always finds me scummy on day 1. It's a chore, and a waste of my time given that everyone else will read me as town. I don't think you are scummy every time you are town at all. So that is bullshit. Not engaging in a discourse is anti-town and if people read you as town from what you have contributed thus far well I would be appalled honestly. Again, not worth my time. What makes Geript more likely to be scum over a townie who didn't read his pm properly and was just talking shit at the start of the game? Because this is more than just him not reading his PM properly. This is him entering the thread and posting for the sake of posting as opposed to reading the thread. Odds are that a player who does something like this is mafia. Not a "townie who is talking shit." I think mafia are more likely to read the thread properly and less likely to shitpost like that. I think you don't know how to scumhunt.
Well that is clearly untrue. As I catch mafia every game I play and usually more than one.
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On September 24 2014 13:40 yamato77 wrote:
DP tryharding is adorable.
What you think of hapa yamato?
Give reasons.
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Also I'm not 'try harding'. I'm just playing like usual.
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On September 24 2014 13:41 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 13:36 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:35 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 13:32 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:27 Hapahauli wrote:Honestly DP, you don't even have to understand my case beyond what Damdred said: On September 24 2014 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:On September 24 2014 12:51 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 12:04 Grackaroni wrote:
I can get behind a Geript lynch
##Vote: Geript Why? What is so convincing about hapa's case on geript that makes you able to get behind a lynch on him? Geript's posts just feel really awkward to me so I guess I like Hapa's narrative. Not realizing he has a qt doesn't really help his case. Think about how awkard geript's posts sound in the context of the thread. There is a clear conversation topic that everyone is discussing (CR's claim), then he enters the thread and posts completely useless crap, then a summary post of pairings. On September 24 2014 13:23 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:22 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 13:14 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:12 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 13:10 DarthPunk wrote:
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Or I am amazing and you are scum :D Which do you think is more likely? I think you are scum. This is going nowhere. Let me know when you're ready to do productive things. Like lynching geript. I'm being productive. Why don't you try and convince me of geript being scum if you are so certain? See: above I generally don't care to argue with the one person in every one of my town games that always finds me scummy on day 1. It's a chore, and a waste of my time given that everyone else will read me as town. I don't think you are scummy every time you are town at all. So that is bullshit. Not engaging in a discourse is anti-town and if people read you as town from what you have contributed thus far well I would be appalled honestly. Again, not worth my time. What makes Geript more likely to be scum over a townie who didn't read his pm properly and was just talking shit at the start of the game? Because this is more than just him not reading his PM properly. This is him entering the thread and posting for the sake of posting as opposed to reading the thread. Odds are that a player who does something like this is mafia. Not a "townie who is talking shit." I think mafia are more likely to read the thread properly and less likely to shitpost like that. See the thing is that this is explanation is not likely. For example, take a look at this in geript's filter: Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 10:33 geript wrote:
CR-VE
Hapa-Abuse
Vayne--DP
Grack--Kush but Kush isn't on the sign up
Geript--MysteryMeat
Oats--Damdred
So here's where we're at.
Here's something that shows that he did sort of read the thread and is trying to contribute. The key word here is "sort-of". Mafia is about finding out who is deceiving you. If geript truly didn't read a damn thing and shitposted the whole filter, you might have an argument. That is a plausible town behavior. However this is not the behavior that geript is exhibiting. He enters the thread, shitposts, then attemps to contribute with a post that clearly read every single partner claim, then "come-at-me-bro's", which is very inconsistent.
Hmmmm. I guess that is a good point actually.
It shows that Geript is not invested in being actually productive. I'm still not sure that makes him mafia though.
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