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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 25 2014 07:26 GMT
#967
On September 25 2014 16:24 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 16:20 Chairman Ray wrote:
On September 25 2014 16:16 geript wrote:
Seriously CR, never ever play at TL again.


You speak as though I joined this game just so I can afk. Whenever I roll town, I put in a lot of effort trying to hunt down scum. Whenever I roll mafia, I put in a lot of effort trying to get town mislynched. I really just have no clue what I'm supposed to do here in this 3p role. You're not being very helpful.


Find mafia. Protect a townie. Pretty basic actually.


I also win with mafia though. Even if I play super well and manage to pinpoint all 3 mafia, it doesn't change the outcome.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 25 2014 07:27 GMT
#968
Like I think there is a flaw with this kinda of setup. It'll be a lot more interesting if I was one of the 3p roles with kill powers, and my objective was to be the last one standing.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 25 2014 07:31 GMT
#970
On September 25 2014 16:27 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 16:26 Chairman Ray wrote:
On September 25 2014 16:24 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 25 2014 16:20 Chairman Ray wrote:
On September 25 2014 16:16 geript wrote:
Seriously CR, never ever play at TL again.


You speak as though I joined this game just so I can afk. Whenever I roll town, I put in a lot of effort trying to hunt down scum. Whenever I roll mafia, I put in a lot of effort trying to get town mislynched. I really just have no clue what I'm supposed to do here in this 3p role. You're not being very helpful.


Find mafia. Protect a townie. Pretty basic actually.


I also win with mafia though. Even if I play super well and manage to pinpoint all 3 mafia, it doesn't change the outcome.


You can also win with town. And the town knows you are third party, so if you don't try and help town why should we not lynch you?


You lynch me when there's an incentive to lynch me, not when there's a lack of incentive not to lynch me.

If I do absolutely nothing at all, then lynching me would be no different than a no-lynch, which is unfavorable for town. If I actually do play against town by disrupting the thread or posting reads on townroles or something, then there's an incentive to lynch me.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 25 2014 07:53 GMT
#974
geript, you're still not making any sense. You're just threatening me to play a certain way when I still don't understand why I have to play that way. I don't see in any way how this role is an innocent child. I win with both town and mafia. I'm not a confirmed town. I'm a confirmed spectator.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 25 2014 08:08 GMT
#976
On September 25 2014 16:54 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 16:53 Chairman Ray wrote:
geript, you're still not making any sense. You're just threatening me to play a certain way when I still don't understand why I have to play that way. I don't see in any way how this role is an innocent child. I win with both town and mafia. I'm not a confirmed town. I'm a confirmed spectator.


You have to play that way or the town will lynch you.

If you hadn't claimed you could have done whatever the fuck you wanted. Now you have to play by our rules or die by our hands.


Finally someone starts making sense. I have waited all night to hear this. 3rd party favor points for you DP!

Right now I think lynching me is an empty threat. If you can prove otherwise, I'll have to help town in order to survive.

The way I see it, I choose if I want to help town, help mafia, help both, or help neither. You are saying that I choose help town or I get lynched. My move will be to help neither. At this time you can either lynch me, which is harming town, or lynch normally, which is helping town. I don't think town will choose to lynch me.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 25 2014 08:40 GMT
#978
As I said, I am not going to start helping town if you are forcing me to help town or die. I'm more of a braveheart type of guy where you can take my life, but you cannot take my freedom.

But you do realize that lynching me is hurting town right? Town gains nothing from it, and you even lose a lynch. That's a pretty big detriment to town. So why are you doing this?
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 25 2014 09:50 GMT
#982
On September 25 2014 17:54 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 17:08 Chairman Ray wrote:
On September 25 2014 16:54 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 25 2014 16:53 Chairman Ray wrote:
geript, you're still not making any sense. You're just threatening me to play a certain way when I still don't understand why I have to play that way. I don't see in any way how this role is an innocent child. I win with both town and mafia. I'm not a confirmed town. I'm a confirmed spectator.


You have to play that way or the town will lynch you.

If you hadn't claimed you could have done whatever the fuck you wanted. Now you have to play by our rules or die by our hands.


Finally someone starts making sense. I have waited all night to hear this. 3rd party favor points for you DP!

Right now I think lynching me is an empty threat. If you can prove otherwise, I'll have to help town in order to survive.

The way I see it, I choose if I want to help town, help mafia, help both, or help neither. You are saying that I choose help town or I get lynched. My move will be to help neither. At this time you can either lynch me, which is harming town, or lynch normally, which is helping town. I don't think town will choose to lynch me.

Giving out "favor points" doesn't help you win. You're at most a team of 3. We're likely a team of 10. First off, your life is in our hands, not the other way around. You don't set the rules, we do. Your life in this game is at our leisure. Not the other way around. Coming on 36 hours, the only positive thing you've done is claim 3P. Perhaps you don't know this about TL, but we lynch 3P claims all the fucking time. Plus, in this game there's a 66% chance that you are detrimental to town. You've fucked up if you think that claiming alone protects you. It doesn't in any way. Us lynching you is not an empty threat. Me and DP will push this shit through. This is not a joke. This is not funny. You play by our rules or we kick you out.


geript, you're still not making any sense. I asked you many times already to tell me why, in accordance to my role, do I need to help hunt down mafia. You just keep rehashing the exact same answer that I rejected, only managing to sound angrier each time.

By what you have been saying, I don't think you understand what my role is. You push on me because you think I'm being disruptive of the game. I gather this because you've been saying stuff like I should be modkilled and I should no longer play on TL. This, and all your stuff about lynching 3p, are legitimate arguments if I'm a town aligned, because if I'm not playing according to my win condition, I deserve to be punished. I completely understand that.

What you are not understanding is what my role is. I'm completely neutral. I've been playing to win this game the entire time. Up until tonight, I had no reason to say anything because nobody was lynching me, and I have no interest in helping town hunt scum or helping scum hunt town roles. I don't have to help anybody else win. The only team I care about is myself, and I've spend all evening trying to convince you and Darth Punk not to vote me. I've been playing very hard this entire game to support my win condition. Whether my play is good or bad is debatable, but saying I should be modkilled is absurd.

If you want me to help lynch scum, I'll consider it, but it would only be because you and Darth Punk are making some sort of play out of it, which is in the spirit of the game, and kind of interesting. But I don't appreciate it if you accuse me of not taking this game seriously and lynching me because of that.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 25 2014 11:09 GMT
#991
On September 25 2014 19:18 DarthPunk wrote:
##Unvote

OK here is how I am going to play this ray ray.

You can live today. Then you have a choice. You can choose to devote yourself to the town by scum-hunting and giving your input. And then you can choose to use your ability to save a townie tonight thus tying your win condition to ours, which means anything you do to help town now is playing towards your win condition.

You can ALSO choose to not Help the town, not save a townie and not join in the towns win condition.

If you choose the former, I will be happy and will say you have a great chance of winning this game. If you choose the latter however; I will not stop, I will not rest until you are lynched.

Don't take this as a threat. View it to be as inevitable as the laws of physics. This is cause and effect.



I'll just use my ability tonight then. I don't think I'll be of any help scum-hunting. I've only followed the thread where I'm mentioned, and I don't really have the time nor motivation to catch up and make a solid case in a day.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 25 2014 11:10 GMT
#992
On September 25 2014 19:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 17:40 Chairman Ray wrote:
As I said, I am not going to start helping town if you are forcing me to help town or die. I'm more of a braveheart type of guy where you can take my life, but you cannot take my freedom.

But you do realize that lynching me is hurting town right? Town gains nothing from it, and you even lose a lynch. That's a pretty big detriment to town. So why are you doing this?

I fucking hate bullshit like this.
fucking hate it.
##unvote
##vote CR


Sorry Oats. I was kind of irritated at geript and sort of spoke out of spite.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 25 2014 20:49 GMT
#1146
##vote VE
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 25 2014 20:49 GMT
#1147
Okay, catching up now
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 25 2014 20:54 GMT
#1152
On September 26 2014 05:52 geript wrote:
Even still, we still need at least 1 more on VE in case CR drops his vote.


Why would I drop my vote?
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 25 2014 21:43 GMT
#1173
On September 26 2014 06:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because he's in here posting nothing posts in the thread when I have outstanding questions/concerns in the QT that he's yet to respond to. It's not that he's doing nothing, it's that he's willfully avoiding the QT all together, while I am trying to get a read on him in it. It's frustrating because he's even in here VOTING for me WITH YOU GUYS! JESUS FUCK!


Well maybe if you responded to my stuff, I would have responded to yours! This relationship is not just about you, you know? Like when I said "knock knock", you should have said "who's there?" That's the whole point of a knock knock joke. So maybe if you listened to some of my concerns, then I'll be more happy to listen to yours.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 25 2014 22:27 GMT
#1234
What am I gonna do without VE

He may be mafia, but he was still my QT bro
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 25 2014 22:33 GMT
#1238
On September 26 2014 07:29 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 07:27 Chairman Ray wrote:
What am I gonna do without VE

He may be mafia, but he was still my QT bro


If you do not use your power tonight you are a hundred percent dead tomorrow. SO I don;t think you need to worry too much.


I'll be on tomorrow before EON to use my power.

GL Town!
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 26 2014 07:42 GMT
#1261
I just sent in my action.

You guys better not lose!
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 26 2014 10:32 GMT
#1272
Yeah that's what the OP says. My role PM said something completely different, which is why I pmed the host to clarify it.

It hasn't been updated in the OP yet, but here's the note from the host:

On September 24 2014 08:48 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2014 08:41 VayneAuthority wrote:
the role PM is barely in english so I wouldnt mind the host clarifying it.

From my interpretation, the people about to die to non 3rd party hits are sent to CR and then he can choose whether or not he wants to save them or something. the last 2 phrases are borderline gibberish


Due to concerns over miscommunication, the defender role (if it exists) must PM the hosts which faction he wants to save at night. If he blocks a kill and die as a result, his 3rd party wincon will change to a town wincon, regardless of who he saves.

Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 26 2014 10:41 GMT
#1275
I saved town.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 26 2014 21:58 GMT
#1289
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 26 2014 22:01 GMT
#1293
wait wat
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