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On October 15 2014 16:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 16:55 abuse wrote:On October 15 2014 16:46 DarthPunk wrote:On October 15 2014 16:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think abuse's play on D1 was fine. I disagree. Hence why you're a hypocrite <3. I still think lynching loaf on D1 would have been the best option, because him being alive at the end totally ruined everything. At least for me. Also as I recall, Barakos was the one who did the actual hunting in obs qt. Anyways, I don't really care, I just think you're batcrap arrogant, and from all the games I've seen/read up on you, i was not impressed the least, unlike some other players here. Cheers bro~ That's not really how the game works. While i understand your point all of you townies missed the most obvious scumpost on D1. I think the townies were too tunneled into one of Zen/Breskhe being mafia on D1 and when Breskhe picked up his posting you all completely forgot what actually happened at the EOD1. When something changes (lynch, nightkills, someone being scummy starts to towntell) you must go back and see where you went wrong. Look at the whole game with "new eyes", not only the game after the said event. That's where i think the town went wrong.
Yup. as I said, I do not see the stuff that is obvious to a player like you, hence why I do not think I am good for mafia games. I did put a lot of effort in this game, wrote pretty much everything down, but the way i perceive the stuff presented is wrong and I focus on the wrong things. If we would've lynched the useless tracker at D1 though, we would have had a much better town atmosphere imo, and I would stick with my Rad scumread at the end. + Zen had good reads, so he could've helped a ton during the game.
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Anyone have any post-game tips/feedback for me?
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On October 15 2014 17:05 Superbia wrote:
Anyone have any post-game tips/feedback for me?
be on my team next time 
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On October 15 2014 17:06 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 17:05 Superbia wrote:
Anyone have any post-game tips/feedback for me? be on my team next time
Noted. 
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On October 15 2014 16:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you actually offer some advice then? "I cannot resonate with abuse" is not really helpful and as you are not in the game yourself you can't even affect to what people talk about by leading them to talk about right/important things.
As I said I think reading Loaf as town in the beginning was the key to solving this game.
On October 07 2014 10:33 loafery wrote:
enough about games i've played on other forums
what are we gonna do about this today, I'm apparently confirmed town we got 3 people here and I'm getting positive vibes from you two so I don't think you two guys are scum nothing really suspicious.
This post in particular really made him look townie to me. Mafia (rad) was trying to talk about useless shit and Loaf steers him away from useless shit and onto productive scum hunting.
From my perspective, Loaf looked really townie from the beginning of the game and Rad was obv scum from his first post of the game.
On October 07 2014 11:55 Rad wrote:Wow, lots to see already. @Superbia and @Fecalfeast - why so quick to jump on loafery being town? @loafery - a game that elaborate and town just decided to mass role call? So sad Couple questions for you: How often over the past year have you had games similar to that? Is it the kind of game you're used to or do you play more games with sane rules like this one? Do you think mafia will be incapable of giving you positive vibes? Is town capable of giving you negative vibes? You've reached the "not scum" conclusion for Superbia and Fecalfeast pretty quickly, why is that?
Click for reasoning of my scum read on rad for his first or second post >>+ Show Spoiler +Lots of stuff looks off in this post:
Firstly: it is quite polished. Now in my experience that is kind of more common in newbie games in general because everyone is still getting their feet wet and doesn’t want to look stupid or get lynched.
But it is also something scum are more likely to do. Because they are more inclined to be hyper aware of their image in the thread than town because it is linked in with their primary objective of survival and deceit.
He doesn’t really want people to be read as town. Now that can be viewed as a healthy townie suspicion but to me that is something that scum feel the need to stave off. you ABSOLUTELY do not want townies to start town reading one another.
Add to that that Loafery is my number one townie in the thread at this point and it looks even worse. Rad should be town reading Loaf if he is town. Instead he is trying to stave off the town reads of others.
Finally the questions he asked loaf are absolutely pointless. Apparently there is a lot to see already and yet he spends half his post talking about a game on another site that is not relevant to the game he is in.
The other half he is trying to stave off a town read.
Not good. Likely scum.
With the (correct) perspective of Rad being scum and Rad laying in groundwork for a loafery mislynch (trying to stave off town reads on loaf) and Loaf being town lynchbait, abuses case on Loafery made him look really bad to me.
>>Click Reasoning at the time: + Show Spoiler +Apparently abuse thinks loaf is super scummy. MEH.
If abuse is town, which I think he is sadly he is doing a really great job of shitting up the thread and being as unhelpful of possible.
Or he is mafia. Jesus. It’s like he just decided that he wanted to lynch Loaf, but his case is bad. And although he is talking a lot he isn’t really saying anything.
Yeah abuse is obv scum (07-10-2014)
So abuse rips into Loaf over nothing, spends all his time painting him as scum, and then makes sure to point out that he ISN’T trying to lynch him and he ISN’T calling him scum just scummy.
You will note that I originally read abuse as town but his case on loaf looked to me like he was just taking anything he could find and painting it scummy, rather than actually thinking about things and making an educated read based on his observations.
That looked scummy to me just because he was tunneled for no/little reason and also because Loaf looked really town and my top scum read was setting up a loaf mislynch.
Like I am all for making bullshit cases as town in order to apply pressure in order to facilitate a better read later, but the case was just poor, he looked like a scum going after an easy mislynch with poor reasons and there was no real thought process I could empathise with so that I could understand WHY he thought loaf was scum even if I thought he was wrong.
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On October 15 2014 16:55 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 16:46 DarthPunk wrote:On October 15 2014 16:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think abuse's play on D1 was fine. I disagree. Hence why you're a hypocrite <3. I still think lynching loaf on D1 would have been the best option, because him being alive at the end totally ruined everything. At least for me. Also as I recall, Barakos was the one who did the actual hunting in obs qt. Anyways, I don't really care, I just think you're batcrap arrogant, and from all the games I've seen/read up on you, i was not impressed the least, not nearly as I was with some other players here. Cheers bro~ Just to be clear - I think I'm not good. I just don't think you are good either.
How many games have you played with me to make this assessment. Right, 1 in which I was third party.
Come back and talk shit when you don't get end gamed without lynching a scum in a newbie game.
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DarthPunk. Mafia hardly ever buddies between each other unless they really know what they are doing and there is a good reason to and i doubt this is the case in a newbie game.
So Rad makes a scummy post where he doubts people's townread on someone. Fine, you correctly identified mafia. Then abuse makes a post where he calls Rad town and makes a case on loafery. Do you really think this is mafia - mafia "interaction" because that's not how it usually goes. Mafia does not want to make themselves associated with another mafia. In case loaf gets lynched both of the scum (in this scenario) look terrible if someone just goes back and rereads where it all started from.
I think, assuming one has a scumread on Rad for this, they would read abuse as town because it doesn't make any sense for them to be mafia together and abuse just misread Rad and "followed" his lead on loaf because it made sense to him.
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Like this is an example case of mafia doing the "get people do something without getting blamed for it". 
If you do not take into account the fact that Rad did it in a scummy way it's a textbook example of how you should play mafia as scum.
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On October 15 2014 17:13 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 16:55 abuse wrote:On October 15 2014 16:46 DarthPunk wrote:On October 15 2014 16:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think abuse's play on D1 was fine. I disagree. Hence why you're a hypocrite <3. I still think lynching loaf on D1 would have been the best option, because him being alive at the end totally ruined everything. At least for me. Also as I recall, Barakos was the one who did the actual hunting in obs qt. Anyways, I don't really care, I just think you're batcrap arrogant, and from all the games I've seen/read up on you, i was not impressed the least, not nearly as I was with some other players here. Cheers bro~ Just to be clear - I think I'm not good. I just don't think you are good either. How many games have you played with me to make this assessment. Right, 1 in which I was third party. Come back and talk shit when you don't get end gamed without lynching a scum in a newbie game.
I've seen enough of your play. Not in just that 1 game.
And I can call you shit whenever I want really.
Anyway, let's just stop this now.
You won't change my mind, and obviously you think pretty much everyone else other than you is trash in everything so I won't change your mind either. Plus I don't care really because I won't be playing mafia anymore, because I can admit that I'm bad at this and think in a different way that is not good in such a game. Yet you are.. well.. you.
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On October 15 2014 17:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
DarthPunk. Mafia hardly ever buddies between each other unless they really know what they are doing and there is a good reason to and i doubt this is the case in a newbie game.
So Rad makes a scummy post where he doubts people's townread on someone. Fine, you correctly identified mafia. Then abuse makes a post where he calls Rad town and makes a case on loafery. Do you really think this is mafia - mafia "interaction" because that's not how it usually goes. Mafia does not want to make themselves associated with another mafia. In case loaf gets lynched both of the scum (in this scenario) look terrible if someone just goes back and rereads where it all started from.
I think, assuming one has a scumread on Rad for this, they would read abuse as town because it doesn't make any sense for them to be mafia together.
HIs reasoning for his loaf read made no fucking sense. And that is //also// whom I would expect scum to go after.
Abuses Read on rad at the time was not that he was town. Which fucking game are you reading?
it was wishy-washy
On October 11 2014 23:06 abuse wrote:
i didnt push rad as scum.
I said that post was scummy.
im going to need more than "i think rad is scum here, read his filter" to persuade me that he is scum in this game.
On October 08 2014 21:39 abuse wrote:
So, current read on Rad: Somewhere between null and scum.
On October 12 2014 06:10 abuse wrote:
P.S. Yeah, rad disappearing for 10 mins now is interesting considering he was here right before deadline.. :/
and was actually the way that I would expect mafia to treat another mafia.
Yeah really don't know what the fuck you are talking about rayn.
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On October 15 2014 17:25 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 17:13 DarthPunk wrote:On October 15 2014 16:55 abuse wrote:On October 15 2014 16:46 DarthPunk wrote:On October 15 2014 16:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think abuse's play on D1 was fine. I disagree. Hence why you're a hypocrite <3. I still think lynching loaf on D1 would have been the best option, because him being alive at the end totally ruined everything. At least for me. Also as I recall, Barakos was the one who did the actual hunting in obs qt. Anyways, I don't really care, I just think you're batcrap arrogant, and from all the games I've seen/read up on you, i was not impressed the least, not nearly as I was with some other players here. Cheers bro~ Just to be clear - I think I'm not good. I just don't think you are good either. How many games have you played with me to make this assessment. Right, 1 in which I was third party. Come back and talk shit when you don't get end gamed without lynching a scum in a newbie game. I've seen enough of your play. Not in just that 1 game. And I can call you shit whenever I want really. Anyway, let's just stop this now. You won't change my mind, and obviously you think pretty much everyone else other than you is trash in everything so I won't change your mind either. Plus I don't care really because I won't be playing mafia anymore, because I can admit that I'm bad at this and think in a different way that is not good in such a game. Yet you are.. well.. you.
Which games of mine have you read?
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On October 15 2014 17:01 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 16:55 abuse wrote:On October 15 2014 16:46 DarthPunk wrote:On October 15 2014 16:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think abuse's play on D1 was fine. I disagree. Hence why you're a hypocrite <3. I still think lynching loaf on D1 would have been the best option, because him being alive at the end totally ruined everything. At least for me. Also as I recall, Barakos was the one who did the actual hunting in obs qt.Anyways, I don't really care, I just think you're batcrap arrogant, and from all the games I've seen/read up on you, i was not impressed the least, not nearly as I was with some other players here. Cheers bro~ Just to be clear - I think I'm not good. I just don't think you are good either. on the bolded : Re-read and confirmed. Barakos was the one who called FF scum for example, you just agreed after asking why he thinks so. Then you said rad and me were scum, and were only right on rad,while I was your prime suspect really. If you were in the game you would have mislynched. While Barakos said I wasn't scum. Barakos read things much much much better than you did. Hence why I'm saying you are not as good as you think you are.
Only one I actually read better than DP did, was you and this also only, because I played a very similar newbie-game with you already, where you pushed someone else, who you thought was town but not helping, so i saw the similarities...
From DPs PoV you looked like someone trying to push a lynch on a townie, who half-confirmed himself by being way too excited about insta-winning the game as town (unless he did some genius acting, which is unlikely in a newbie-game... you remember daydreamarine? boy did that guy give me headaches in our game...^^), which just doesn't seem right, so his read on you was understandable.
I also don't agree on you saying the best play was to lynch loaf... he is basically confirmed town, so he is mafias problem, cause mafia doesn't want to go into lylo vs a confirmed town.
I think the correct way to deal with loaf was to confirm him for yourself as town and either let mafia kill him or look at other peoples interactions with him, if he doesn't get killed... the people he pushes on are most likely town, since he is still alive as confirmed town. The people, who buddy up with him, or are most concerned about his opinion on them, or try to influence his opinion on others, are most likely scum.
This way you either get some valuable information out of him, or the problem is dealt with for you by mafia... and - most importantly - you don't waste one of your misslynches on town.
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I just love how you take a quote from Oct 11th, then oct 8th and then oct 12th.
don't try to make cases after the game on a game you have not actually read properly.
I had my reasons for thinking rad was more townie at D2 than at D1.
Also, the "case" on me you put in spoiler tags before, is trash. You should re-read it yourself.
You say I had no reason whatsoever to push loaf, yet later you yourself see that it was to get information in a game where absolutely nothing was going on for 15 hours, and you are still not satisfied. You say I was unhelpful, superbia says it was helpful to him. And it was helpful to me. Stop trying to plow your shit over everything. And stop blaming other people for your wrong reads -- "Abuse you are so trash that I read you as scum".
Your arrogance is disgusting.
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On October 15 2014 17:32 Barakos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 17:01 abuse wrote:On October 15 2014 16:55 abuse wrote:On October 15 2014 16:46 DarthPunk wrote:On October 15 2014 16:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think abuse's play on D1 was fine. I disagree. Hence why you're a hypocrite <3. I still think lynching loaf on D1 would have been the best option, because him being alive at the end totally ruined everything. At least for me. Also as I recall, Barakos was the one who did the actual hunting in obs qt.Anyways, I don't really care, I just think you're batcrap arrogant, and from all the games I've seen/read up on you, i was not impressed the least, not nearly as I was with some other players here. Cheers bro~ Just to be clear - I think I'm not good. I just don't think you are good either. on the bolded : Re-read and confirmed. Barakos was the one who called FF scum for example, you just agreed after asking why he thinks so. Then you said rad and me were scum, and were only right on rad,while I was your prime suspect really. If you were in the game you would have mislynched. While Barakos said I wasn't scum. Barakos read things much much much better than you did. Hence why I'm saying you are not as good as you think you are. Only one I actually read better than DP did, was you and this also only, because I played a very similar newbie-game with you already, where you pushed someone else, who you thought was town but not helping, so i saw the similarities... From DPs PoV you looked like someone trying to push a lynch on a townie, who half-confirmed himself by being way too excited about insta-winning the game as town (unless he did some genius acting, which is unlikely in a newbie-game... you remember daydreamarine? boy did that guy give me headaches in our game...^^), which just doesn't seem right, so his read on you was understandable. I also don't agree on you saying the best play was to lynch loaf... he is basically confirmed town, so he is mafias problem, cause mafia doesn't want to go into lylo vs a confirmed town. I think the correct way to deal with loaf was to confirm him for yourself as town and either let mafia kill him or look at other peoples interactions with him, if he doesn't get killed... the people he pushes on are most likely town, since he is still alive as confirmed town. The people, who buddy up with him, or are most concerned about his opinion on them, or try to influence his opinion on others, are most likely scum. This way you either get some valuable information out of him, or the problem is dealt with for you by mafia... and - most importantly - you don't waste one of your misslynches on town.
Loaf might have been confirmed town to you and DP but he wasn't confirmed town to anyone in the game. He was a coinflip and a nuisance to everyone's reads. Also it does not make sense - "you should have confirmed him as town for yourself" because I did not see him as town, and in that view, keeping him alive and not seeing him die, just proves he is scum, and that makes his reads useless. And don't even get me started on what his reads were.
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On October 15 2014 17:34 abuse wrote:
I just love how you take a quote from Oct 11th, then oct 8th and then oct 12th.
don't try to make cases after the game on a game you have not actually read properly.
I had my reasons for thinking rad was more townie at D2 than at D1.
Also, the "case" on me you put in spoiler tags before, is trash. You should re-read it yourself.
You say I had no reason whatsoever to push loaf, yet later you yourself see that it was to get information in a game where absolutely nothing was going on for 15 hours, and you are still not satisfied. You say I was unhelpful, superbia says it was helpful to him. And it was helpful to me. Stop trying to plow your shit over everything. And stop blaming other people for your wrong reads -- "Abuse you are so trash that I read you as scum".
Your arrogance is disgusting.
LOL. K. Talking to you is clearly a waste of time. Keeping thinking whatever you want babe.
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Also, you disappoint me in thinking that saying you do not understand the rules to get towncred is "genius acting". It is a basic move.
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On October 15 2014 17:37 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 17:34 abuse wrote:
I just love how you take a quote from Oct 11th, then oct 8th and then oct 12th.
don't try to make cases after the game on a game you have not actually read properly.
I had my reasons for thinking rad was more townie at D2 than at D1.
Also, the "case" on me you put in spoiler tags before, is trash. You should re-read it yourself.
You say I had no reason whatsoever to push loaf, yet later you yourself see that it was to get information in a game where absolutely nothing was going on for 15 hours, and you are still not satisfied. You say I was unhelpful, superbia says it was helpful to him. And it was helpful to me. Stop trying to plow your shit over everything. And stop blaming other people for your wrong reads -- "Abuse you are so trash that I read you as scum".
Your arrogance is disgusting. LOL. K. Talking to you is clearly a waste of time. Keeping thinking whatever you want babe.
Clearly.
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DarthPunk what game are YOU reading?
This is what abuse said about Rad from the time he was pushing loaf!!!!!
His first posts, questioning why superbia and fecal both called loaf town were good, and follows with good questions towards loaf.
This is the only important thing regarding this connection read you are making. What happened a day after doesn't matter shit.
That is what i think abuse had as a read on Rad at the time he pushed loaf and that's what i am talking about.
You have to take a look what actually happened during that time and not what someone wrote 36hours after that.
Do you disagree the thoughts from abuse i quoted is a townread?
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Wait, You got mislynched at MYLO and are shit talking me for calling you mafia along with the two ACTUAL mafia after reading one day of a game i'm not even playing in?
SERIOUSLY?
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On October 15 2014 17:45 DarthPunk wrote:Wait, You got mislynched at MYLO and are shit talking me for calling you mafia along with the two ACTUAL mafia after reading one day of a game i'm not even playing in? SERIOUSLY?
Read the game before you talk shit. I have told you this before, and I thought you were dropping this because this is a waste of time.
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