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@Breshke
If you consider me and abuse town, then you consider FF/loaf scumteam. Why would FF bus his partner ASAP on d3? Is this a smart scum play in your book? Does FF get confirmed status level townie points if loaf flips scum in this scenario, making it worth the strange bus? The only other potential outcome there is the loaf wagon catches on, he flips town and scum wins.
To me there are 4 realistic scenarios (in order of most likely to me):
Abuse/fecal
Abuse/loaf
Breshke/fecal
Abuse/breshke
Loaf/breshke doesn't exist for me because it makes more sense for loaf to jump on abuse first instead of you.
Loaf/fecal doesn't exist for me because the scenario is too retarded.
Abuse/fecal is the most obvious here and looks to win with both scum standing.
Abuse/loaf is a play that emphasizes abuse as town leader taking down scum and lynching me or fecal d4.
Breshke/fecal is reasonable here with a loaf lynch, with fecal playing stupid town and you playing thoughtful/unsure town playing to abuse considering you and fecal town
Abuse/breshke has some potential but less likely to me due to my town read on you and how little conflict you two are producing between each other in d3.
As you can see breshke, based on these scenarios and my own interpretations of them, loaf is the least likely logical candidate for scum, and abuse is the most.
I'm sticking to my vote on abuse. If you have the same sort of scenarios that are convincing you that abuse is least likely scum, please let me know. As it stands, I feel you need to get your vote on Abuse as the scenario of Abuse/fecal scumteam leaves a loaf town lynch as a possibility even if fecal comes in here saying I've convinced him that abuse is scum (and then switches last second due to 1 town being on loaf).
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@abuse
I get that Breshke thinks you're town based on your play. I'm asking for the scenarios in which it makes most sense that you're town based on how things have played out. For example, loaf/fecal scumteam requires a retarded play. Pushing your scum partner the whole game is not impossible to do as scum and is actually the ideal thing to do.
Loaf is in 1 scenario, breshke's in 2, fecal's in 2, you're in 3. Get it?
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On October 15 2014 05:03 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 04:59 Rad wrote:
@abuse
I get that Breshke thinks you're town based on your play. I'm asking for the scenarios in which it makes most sense that you're town based on how things have played out. For example, loaf/fecal scumteam requires a retarded play. Pushing your scum partner the whole game is not impossible to do as scum and is actually the ideal thing to do.
Loaf is in 1 scenario, breshke's in 2, fecal's in 2, you're in 3. Get it? But not based on how many scenarios but based on play who do you think scum is? I think ff could easily bus loaf at the start of the day as he isn't the most useful scum partner. Also it seems kind of likely when you look at how loaf reacted to his push, the fact that he hardly acknowledged it even saying he was town because he was looking at it "objectivly", even though ff said he was riding the vote to the grave.
Abuse. Check my thoughts on him:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/466626-newbie-mini-mafia-lix?page=44#876
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/466626-newbie-mini-mafia-lix?page=45#892
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/466626-newbie-mini-mafia-lix?page=46#908
About a FF/loaf scum team... early bus from FF because loaf hasn't been useful, loaf suddenly becomes more active... they could have just discussed loaf becoming more active in their QT since he's obviously willing to be more active?? It just doesn't make sense.
On October 15 2014 05:01 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 04:59 Rad wrote:
@abuse
I get that Breshke thinks you're town based on your play. I'm asking for the scenarios in which it makes most sense that you're town based on how things have played out. For example, loaf/fecal scumteam requires a retarded play. Pushing your scum partner the whole game is not impossible to do as scum and is actually the ideal thing to do.
it is actually an incredibly stupid play. Also - Rad, would you like to claim PR now? it is about time.
Tracker shouldn't claim here without a red hit. Anyone can claim tracker at this point and anyone can counter-claim. If scum is lynched here and tracker remains unknown, town has a much better chance to win.
Confirming someone as town to YOU only matters to YOU, and I think YOU are scum. A tracker claim at this point only tells scum who they are, town can't trust it right now. A scum lynch today does not guarantee a town win.
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For fun? Let's lynch scum, that'll be fun.
I think you're probably both scum and I'm looking forward to seeing how FF treats this lynch. The fact that it hasn't gained momentum is a good sign to me. Loaf's lynch was almost certain from the beginning of the day, meaning a scum had to be on his wagon unless you think the scum team is me and loaf.
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Thanks Breshke.
Come vote for abuse FF.
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On October 15 2014 05:32 Rad wrote:
For fun? Let's lynch scum, that'll be fun.
I think you're probably both scum and I'm looking forward to seeing how FF treats this lynch. The fact that it hasn't gained momentum is a good sign to me. Loaf's lynch was almost certain from the beginning of the day, meaning a scum had to be on his wagon unless you think the scum team is me and loaf.
This was @abuse, then a bunch of posts appeared making this one ambiguous.
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On October 15 2014 05:36 Breshke wrote:
Rad have you looked to my logic about getting a basically confirmed scum today?
Link please, it's getting late in the day.
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@breshke yes I read this, pretty sure I mentioned it in a past post but let me point some stuff out real quick. Quick post incoming.
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On October 14 2014 18:25 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 18:13 abuse wrote:On October 14 2014 17:57 Breshke wrote:On October 14 2014 17:52 abuse wrote:On October 14 2014 17:51 Breshke wrote:On October 14 2014 17:50 abuse wrote:On October 14 2014 17:45 Breshke wrote:On October 14 2014 17:39 abuse wrote:On October 14 2014 17:32 Breshke wrote:
Abuse you do realise tracking the same eprson both nights isn't that donkey. It isn't like cop mafia chooses who does the night actions so a mafia report saying no actions or w/e doesn't mean they are green. I think Rad's list was believable and wouldn't be surprised if it was the real one.
Also Rad you need to take this into perspective. Abuse thought i was tracker. Let's assume he is mafia. He thinks i tracked him N2 so his partner was 100% the one who submitted the night action. This means whoever you tracked if they came back no action or whatever they are very very very likely not abuses partner. So this kind of makes the lynch easy for today. Whoever you tracked last night cannot be abuses partner. This means if you tracked ff or loaf we lynch the one you didn't track as they are confirmed mafia.
I hope this makes sense i can explain it if needed. your point only makes sense if I am scum, and I am not scum. Also I do not believe at all that what he said were his tracks were his actual tracks. I don't believe he would track the same person twice. No abuse because if you arn't scum lynching in ff and loaf would still be a confirmed scum how can you not see this? Seriously we can confirm the game doesn't end today. I don't understand this. Do you or do you not think I am town. I do think you are town, yes. Do you think Rad is town Yes I do, please get to the point already D: Okay fuck it i'm writing it all out again I don't care that Rad said don't talk about tracker stuff because i think we are in a terrible position with two of the people i think are town fighting with each other. So abuse you thought i was the tracker even though i had said i tracked you last night in my hypo. So unless you had thought about this otherwise it sets up two worlds. 1. You are not mafia therefore ff and loaf are scum 2. You are scum and your partner world 2.1 being ff and 2.2 being loaf submitted the night action. We then look to what the tracker did as it is fairly obvious the tracker hasn't got a hit. 2.1 The tracker tracked loaf and got that he didn't follow anyone. As it is semi confirmed that you abuse didn't submit the night action for the above logic this means that ff must be the one who submitted the night action and is mafia 2.2The tracker tracked ff and got that he didn't follow anyone. Same as 2.1 except loaf must be scum Of course there is he world where the tracker tracked neither loaf or ff but i don't think that is the case.
Abuse knew superbia suggested to track him or me (him specifically near the end) so it's easy to get you to relate to him when he points out how you tracking him n2 is what the tracker would have done.
It's not necessarily true that either loaf or FF were tracked last night so we can't draw this conclusion.
Remember, I still believe you/abuse are a possibility, so none of this matters.
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It might not make much sense coming from the scum perspective, abuse, but there are no confirmed townies here.
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In the case of an abuse/breshke scum team, it's best for breshke to do exactly what you two are doing right now. However, you'd also want to implicate him here if you're not a scum team.
Game is hard =/
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Fecal get your vote on abuse.
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GG guys. Was a lot of fun. No hard feelings to anyone I insulted or was insulted by!
<3 abuse, I couldn't end this game with an easy lynch. I was determined to take you down.
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Effort wise, yeah, playing scum is hard, even in this game since I decided not to sit back and relax and decided to attack you and superbia so hard.
I think the game is just lost for us if superbia stays alive and we took a calculated risk to hit him n2.
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But yeah, loaf was obviously a big help for us here. I was ready to counter claim his tracker claim if he came back in with it. Once you two decided to confirm you weren't tracker it became much easier for us.
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On October 15 2014 06:12 The_Zen_Man wrote:Wow, you had some disturbing thoughts about me.....
Hahaha. That was pretty fun.
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I'm curious why loaf was 100% sure it was abuse/breshke scum team, and am wondering who he tracked both nights.
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If it was fecal n1 and me n2... lol
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