TL Mafia LXVIII: Fanfic Crossover Edition

On September 15 2014 08:25 justanothertownie wrote:

If that's a jab on the rather spartan rolepm - fine. If you want to say that you didn't read your rolepm - do it or die.

On September 15 2014 18:31 HaruRH wrote:


Who present what?

On September 15 2014 19:52 Palmar wrote:
Tbh I might just afk for science.

Also why don't you agree that rayn is mafia?

On September 15 2014 19:54 Palmar wrote:

So you'll lynch him if I die and flip town at some point? Because I'm like super ok with that.

On September 15 2014 19:57 Palmar wrote:

Well fuck you then. I'm going back to doing nothing then.

But remember my words. rayn is mafia

On September 15 2014 20:06 GlowingBear wrote:


Awesome.

What do you think of marv's push on palmar and palmar's reaction to push Rayn?

On September 16 2014 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Why would Palmar say something as town that he does not believe in?

On September 16 2014 05:10 justanothertownie wrote:

I can read properly and miss stuff rayn. It happened many times before and it will happen again. Explain why it is scummy of fuck off. Seriously.

On September 16 2014 05:20 Palmar wrote:

The light of your wisdom shines so bright other posts fade into the background. But I will vote however you want me master.

On September 16 2014 18:48 Palmar wrote:
Btw you know I'm town, stop acting like you don't. I don't really blame you for wanting to lynch me anyway, but don't act like you actually think there's a chance I flip mafia.

On September 15 2014 22:08 Palmar wrote:


Where did I lie?

On September 16 2014 07:02 marvellosity wrote:

why is he town to you?

On September 16 2014 05:25 justanothertownie wrote:

How?

On September 16 2014 19:10 Palmar wrote:

It'd be so typical if Chairman Ray is mafia. Unlike half of you idiots he actually knows what's up. Problem is I'm not sure he's smart enough to genuinely recognize things like that, so there's a chance he's mafia.

I'm rarely wrong on VE's alignment. Please don't lynch him unless you think it's a really good idea.

On September 16 2014 19:10 Palmar wrote:
All I have against rayn is that one point I already made about how he was being way too assertive on his very early townread. I honestly think he'd use a phrase like "I think" or "probably" to hedge his bet as town, mostly because that's what I do all the time so I don't look bad when I'm wrong

On September 16 2014 19:10 Palmar wrote:
As a side note, making an appearance here is JAT, who randomly asked that question and made no attempt to follow up on it or explain why he was asking it and what it would help him understand. In fact, I skimmed (very quickly...) his filter and he actually looks like he's casually commenting on a lot of things, and all his posts look really short and lacking in explanations.

Idk, maybe JAT is scum this game?

On September 17 2014 01:05 Palmar wrote:
Actually rayn might not be mafia. He's being super stupid, and that usually means townrayn.

On September 17 2014 01:06 Palmar wrote:

Yeah but look at his post where he's pestering you to vote for me. He's so blindingly sure of his idiocy that he's begging you to join in on it.

It just looks more town that he's pleading to you personally.

On September 17 2014 01:11 Palmar wrote:

Maybe, I guess I haven't seen you two operate as different alignments.

My feeling on rayn is that he gets less personal when he's mafia. More generally angry and bitching instead of bitching at someone in particular.

On September 17 2014 01:11 Palmar wrote:

Srsly, we need a role that can mute the fuck out of a player.

On September 17 2014 01:13 Palmar wrote:

whatever. I still think this posting makes him town.

I'm not reading another game, I have read maybe 10 pages of this one.

On September 17 2014 01:31 Palmar wrote:

Because you pretended me meta-trolling about policy lynches could be actually relevant in some fashion.

On September 17 2014 01:32 Palmar wrote:
Also, super ballsy of HF to claim that shit in a game when he should know quite a few of my personalities policy lynch miller claims.

Wandering Civilian (Wandering Townie): You're really just lost. You get lost underground in the endless mines, and you get lost in space travelling from one system to the other. All you really do is confuse people. You are a self-aware wanderer. Each night you visit someone at random, and are not informed who you visited.

Refugee from Xenomorph Goblin Attack (Miller): The last Xenogoblin attack was rough on your home, so you migrated to the Stern Spires Contient of Girders of Korhal to start a new life. Some say you still smell of the enemy, but how can a dwarf smell anything at all when dwarves smell so bad? Self-aware miller. Return Red to checks.

On September 17 2014 03:16 Palmar wrote:
I have a very particular reason to 100% believe Haru's claim. I won't doubt it ever in this game, and I suggest everyone who is town does the same.

On September 17 2014 03:24 Palmar wrote:
Actually

This makes me feel warm and fuzzy

##Vote ObiWanShinobi

On September 17 2014 03:32 Palmar wrote:

My townbros list?

Or are you talking about my activity rating shit?

On September 17 2014 05:12 marvellosity wrote:

I am 100% town on filter length alone, you should know this, so you are either mafia or the worst player on the site.

you can choose which. just let me know.

On September 17 2014 05:24 Palmar wrote:
This lynch has like 5% chance of success

On September 17 2014 05:27 Palmar wrote:

uh he made that one post somewhere, it was in the aftermath of where people were calling him mafia for his stance on poofter's meta or something.

I could dig it up.

it's super weak tbh.

On September 17 2014 05:29 Palmar wrote:
also did damdred claim miller? or are we now talking about hf?

On September 17 2014 05:34 Palmar wrote:

Did I?

On September 17 2014 05:43 Palmar wrote:

Why should I?

It's far more likely he's just an idiot that doesn't know how to defend himself. It's terrible play, but I'm not in the mood to whip up policy lynches.

If someone else wants to lead the way, be my guest, I'll even vote him, but I'm not gonna yell at people to policy lynch him. I just cba teaching people how to play this game, and half the time it's townies who do retarded shit.

Also, we have 1 miller claim and 1 nosy claim, that sounds about right? no ccs? everything looks ok to me.

On September 17 2014 05:43 Palmar wrote:
Also, we have 1 miller claim and 1 nosy claim, that sounds about right? no ccs? everything looks ok to me.

On September 17 2014 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:

no miller claims and if we did, why are you not lynching them?

On September 17 2014 05:45 Palmar wrote:

Because townies tend to do stupid shit. Claiming miller day 1 is stupid, thus it's more likely that he's a townie!

boom, headshot logic.

Also are you not reading thread? EVERYONE knows damdred claimed miller.

On September 17 2014 05:47 Palmar wrote:

Who says I don't?

On September 17 2014 05:50 Hopeless1der wrote:

and THIS game...Palmar just doesnt care to lynch the miller claim? ergo people are up in arms about it.

On October 18 2013 20:47 Palmar wrote:
Reposting for format.



No, I would never say anything dumb like that.

Here is why claiming SAM is incredibly mafia favored.

A single cop checking randomly has a 1/22 (24 - himself - lynchee) chance of checking you on night 1, that's 4.5% chance. The chance slowly goes up throughout the game, but only in the absolute far late game does there exist a significant chance a SAM exists.

We don't know if there is a SAM in this game. If the setup was open there'd be an argument for claiming, in fact in a completely open game a SAM is a power role. However in a closed setup, there is no point in claiming it. Optimal play would be to simply play well enough so cops wouldn't even think about checking you. The fact that you claimed means for some reason you yourself believe that you will be unable to keep yourself out of the red-ish zone for this game. I'm not sure if this is lack of confidence in your own play, or if this is because you're scum. But I see no reason to play sub-optimally as town.

As mafia, the benefits of claiming SAM are amazing, it basically neutralizes the cop against one of your team. You're taking a weapon away from the town. You'll still be analyzed as before, but you can never be attacked as scum through a check. This also means the chance of hitting mafia goes down from 6/22 (27,2%) on the first night to 5/21 (23,8%) for a cop.

This benefit becomes even more important if the mafia has a godfather (5/22 to 4/21).

So the question remains, why are you afraid of a cop check? There's an entire team of mafia players whose goal is to play towny enough to not get checked, and they have to do it with the burden of knowledge and the inherent scummyness that leads to mafia lynches all the time anyway, a miller would be completely free of those things, and yet doesn't have the balls to avoid a cop check with good play?

##Vote Mocsta

On September 17 2014 05:51 IAmRobik wrote:
If we no-lynch today because of indecisive little girls, I'm going to have the mads

On September 17 2014 05:50 IAmRobik wrote:
I don't think I'm willing to lynch someone who rayn wants to lynch today. Even if it is scum!plaamammar. If town!rayn wanted us to lynch someone, he wouldn't scream about it like a whiney little girl and he would explain it instead of just screaming wahhhhhh lynch palmmmmmmar wahhhhhhh

On September 17 2014 06:15 justanothertownie wrote:

No. He can't answer it regardless of him being right or wrong.

On September 17 2014 07:15 Palmar wrote:
tbh docs should be on me to protect me from shitty vigis.

I'm not worried about mafia at all.

On September 17 2014 07:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Just an fyi, rayn falls under one of the people fanning the flames in terms of goading people into fighting and modkilling themselves.

On September 17 2014 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I agree i should be just modkilled as i am the vigilante who is DOING THE FUCKING JUSTICE!!!1
so fu koshi. fufufufufu.

On September 17 2014 08:13 Palmar wrote:
someone told me vigis can't shoot night 1, but I know about a faction that can ^^

I specifically explained I had no good reason for that other than thinking that the one wagon that takes of in Majority Lynch when we don't have a solid case is unlikely to hit mafia.

I haven't even read kush.

On September 17 2014 23:53 Palmar wrote:

I'm okay with this, but it's a bit risky. If I'm confirmed town I might just go afk and fuck it. Probably better to try to lynch me tomorrow so I can flip mafia and go play dota2.

On September 17 2014 23:54 Palmar wrote:
Like I am not miller. if I come back red I am 100% mafia.

Manipulations of Kerrigan, Forgotten Beast (Mafia Framer): Kerrigan is a Forgotten Beast with 2 bat-like wings, 4 clawed hands, glowing eyes, and a sharp dagger-like tail. You are a framer. each night, you may target a player and choose what color they return to checks. You may deliver KP while doing this. Your ability resolves after town's RB abilities, but before Cop checks.

On September 18 2014 02:00 Palmar wrote:
So many haters.

Is ok, not everyone can be gorgeous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKttqHvMYOo

On September 18 2014 06:43 Palmar wrote:
This is why smurfing should be outlawed.

aint no one got time for pussies who hide behind fake identities.

On September 18 2014 07:51 Palmar wrote:

This guy is so town.

On September 18 2014 07:54 justanothertownie wrote:

You try to emulate rayns play now, yes?

On September 18 2014 07:59 Palmar wrote:

I wish VE was alive he was my only friend

On September 20 2014 01:13 Palmar wrote:


What "way" am I playing yamato?

On September 20 2014 01:15 yamato77 wrote:

Actively trolling the game with fake promises for contribution, stupid claims and shallow reads.

You/geript/Robik all the same really.

On September 20 2014 01:19 Palmar wrote:
Anyway, here's where I am at. I've had less time to play than anticipated, just shit to do at work. So I haven't been able to go through as much content as I wanted to.

That doesn't mean there is any legitimate reason for lynching me. I again challenge everyone who is voting me or thinking about voting me to ACTUALLY read my filter. Check out the reads I've given and my reasoning for them and see if they're unreasonable.

I am not comfortable with nominating the main target of town today, as I meant to do. The reason simply being that I haven't had time to actively confirm a scum today. I've got a bunch of people I'd not want to lynch, but I just cannot lead town due to time constraints. It sucks, but I'm not gonna throw out a random read just to save myself. If you want to lynch me for not having time to play as much as I wanted, go do it.

I wish someone who has the time would take it upon themselves to explore other venues than geript or me. I have a feeling neither is going to be a good lynch.

On September 20 2014 01:22 Palmar wrote:


I read the op, I read superbia's filter and parts of storrzerg and glowingbear. I am unsure on the latter two. Then I had to go do other stuff.

On September 20 2014 01:24 Palmar wrote:

What is absurd?

On September 20 2014 01:32 Palmar wrote:
I have no interest in lynching Robik at the moment geript. I don't really think he's town, but there's just so many better targets.

On September 20 2014 01:32 Palmar wrote:
I have no interest in lynching Robik at the moment geript. I don't really think he's town, but there's just so many better targets.

On September 20 2014 01:37 Palmar wrote:

In order to think someone is town I have to read their posts. I don't particularly think you're mafia either, I just don't know. The point is you can be useful as town later in the game, and I haven't seen anything blatantly scummy from you, so I don't want to lynch you now.

Mostly because I also don't want to read your filter.

On September 20 2014 01:38 Palmar wrote:

shut up yamato.

You have no good reason for this, which might actually make you mafia.

You 100% know I act like a complete asshole as town too, you've been mafia when I did it in that handslaps game.

On September 20 2014 01:44 geript wrote:
Fwiw, Palmer would probably say nothing if he were mafia.

On September 20 2014 01:47 Palmar wrote:

Why?

On September 20 2014 01:52 Palmar wrote:

I know reading the filter of people who you want to lynch is not your thing, but I already explained how he overjustified the vote against me on day 1. And in addition I think his post on hf and superbia was bad, and neither of them is a target I'm interested in lynching.

Pushing only townies doesn't guarantee BC is mafia, but it's still better than most everything else I have.

On September 20 2014 01:52 Palmar wrote:

I know reading the filter of people who you want to lynch is not your thing, but I already explained how he overjustified the vote against me on day 1. And in addition I think his post on hf and superbia was bad, and neither of them is a target I'm interested in lynching.

Pushing only townies doesn't guarantee BC is mafia, but it's still better than most everything else I have.

On September 20 2014 01:59 Palmar wrote:


I think BC is a good lynch. I cannot prove he is mafia, but he is a much better lynch than geript.

I am not going to do something just to please you. If you're stupid enough to think I'm mafia for being unsure about reads in a game i've admitted I haven't read very closely, then well... yeah, just vote me and go away so I can talk to the reasonable human beings.

On September 17 2014 17:30 Chairman Ray wrote:
Yes I still think Palmer is mafia. Him and kush were the lynch choices. As both town or mafia, Palmer should be very interested in getting kush lynched for the purpose of self-preservation. He wasn't even interested in kush at all, and even defended kush with the textbook reason:


If Palmer was town, he has to try to justify a lynch on kush or at least find another wagon. What he actually did can only come from mafia. He did a soft defense on the only person who could be lynched instead of him. The only purpose of this kind of play is to give off the impression that he's merciful and thinking about the game, and then gain some credit for being correct that kush was town.

On September 20 2014 05:30 Palmar wrote:


I have not read HF at all, I'm not sure I'm going to have the time. The only thing I have on him is what I posted day 1 about him needing some serious balls to do the claim thing on day 1, knowing I'm town and in the game. Like he is 100% aware that most of the time I instantly policy lynch claims like that.

On September 20 2014 05:32 Palmar wrote:

I am here, and I should be until the end of day, isn't that in like an hour and half? But I'm going to be more concerned with just trying to make sure I put things out there that need to be.

On September 19 2014 07:41 Holyflare wrote:
1) Palmar OR 17) raynpelikoneet replaced by Geript replaced by ritoky
4) GlowingBear
5) Superbia
6) StorrZerg
7) Batsnacks
9) ObiWanShinobi
11) Chairman Ray
16) FecalFeast

On September 20 2014 05:41 Palmar wrote:


I agree with 5 of those.

On September 20 2014 05:42 Tehpoofter wrote:


Which ones?

On September 20 2014 06:15 Palmar wrote:

What are two town flips going to help you with?

On September 20 2014 06:17 Palmar wrote:
Also, literally no one ever gave me credit for having multiple reads with explanations this game. Too much spam, no one reads the game, one guy says I'm not doing anything and everyone just believes it!

Reading hard

On September 20 2014 06:23 Holyflare wrote:


yes