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On September 06 2014 06:29 IAmRobik wrote:
I can't speak for everyone, but I can speak for myself:
1) I didn't remember you going on sylencia.
2) Sylenicia mentioned several times that he thought you and I were town.
3) Sylencia wanted to give me the grail over you.
4) I don't know when you gave your scum read on sylencia, but it probably occurred way before he voted to give you grail. The stuff with Gobble and geript happened early in the game and was the first real thing that I noticed.
This is worrisome phrasing to me. It's the first worrisome thing I have really seen from robik all game. I know you had at least a leaning town read on syl up until now, but this phrasing sounds almost like you would disregard any pre-vote read on anyone who votes you for grail. Sounds almost desperate to want it. Mind you as of right now, if I was not a viable alternative my vote would be on you; but the phrasing....
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I won't fight about other games in this thread, but mission started before this game and I did go mia around the time this one started and my cell was up in cell, and around the time this game started. So don't try to compare whole game filters please when they started different times.
I'll put the effort in to give reads on everyone soon as I get off work. I think I'll probably vote for rob for grail if he votes for me or not his responses and reasonings at this point sound town
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seriously my head is going to explode from that last post.
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On September 06 2014 06:41 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 06:29 IAmRobik wrote:
I can't speak for everyone, but I can speak for myself:
1) I didn't remember you going on sylencia.
2) Sylenicia mentioned several times that he thought you and I were town.
3) Sylencia wanted to give me the grail over you.
4) I don't know when you gave your scum read on sylencia, but it probably occurred way before he voted to give you grail. The stuff with Gobble and geript happened early in the game and was the first real thing that I noticed. This is worrisome phrasing to me. It's the first worrisome thing I have really seen from robik all game. I know you had at least a leaning town read on syl up until now, but this phrasing sounds almost like you would disregard any pre-vote read on anyone who votes you for grail. Sounds almost desperate to want it. Mind you as of right now, if I was not a viable alternative my vote would be on you; but the phrasing....
The phrasing is fine. Go look at his post. He was gonna vote me. It was pointed out that I had 0 votes. So he voted you. Stop overthinking things.
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On September 06 2014 06:42 Damdred wrote:
I won't fight about other games in this thread, but mission started before this game and I did go mia around the time this one started and my cell was up in cell, and around the time this game started. So don't try to compare whole game filters please when they started different times.
I'll put the effort in to give reads on everyone soon as I get off work. I think I'll probably vote for rob for grail if he votes for me or not his responses and reasonings at this point sound town
Awww man. Damdred's pulling at my heartstrings here.
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On September 06 2014 06:46 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 06:41 ritoky wrote:On September 06 2014 06:29 IAmRobik wrote:
I can't speak for everyone, but I can speak for myself:
1) I didn't remember you going on sylencia.
2) Sylenicia mentioned several times that he thought you and I were town.
3) Sylencia wanted to give me the grail over you.
4) I don't know when you gave your scum read on sylencia, but it probably occurred way before he voted to give you grail. The stuff with Gobble and geript happened early in the game and was the first real thing that I noticed. This is worrisome phrasing to me. It's the first worrisome thing I have really seen from robik all game. I know you had at least a leaning town read on syl up until now, but this phrasing sounds almost like you would disregard any pre-vote read on anyone who votes you for grail. Sounds almost desperate to want it. Mind you as of right now, if I was not a viable alternative my vote would be on you; but the phrasing.... The phrasing is fine. Go look at his post. He was gonna vote me. It was pointed out that I had 0 votes. So he voted you. Stop overthinking things.
yeah but it's coupled with a couple of "i'll scratch your back and go after your target, if you scratch mine and give me grail" posts that i remember. i still think you're town like i said. it's just the first thing that has given me pause.
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On September 06 2014 06:47 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 06:42 Damdred wrote:
I won't fight about other games in this thread, but mission started before this game and I did go mia around the time this one started and my cell was up in cell, and around the time this game started. So don't try to compare whole game filters please when they started different times.
I'll put the effort in to give reads on everyone soon as I get off work. I think I'll probably vote for rob for grail if he votes for me or not his responses and reasonings at this point sound town Awww man. Damdred's pulling at my heartstrings here.
you not gonna criticize him either for wanting to grail someone who would use it (currently) to lynch him?
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On September 06 2014 06:49 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 06:47 IAmRobik wrote:On September 06 2014 06:42 Damdred wrote:
I won't fight about other games in this thread, but mission started before this game and I did go mia around the time this one started and my cell was up in cell, and around the time this game started. So don't try to compare whole game filters please when they started different times.
I'll put the effort in to give reads on everyone soon as I get off work. I think I'll probably vote for rob for grail if he votes for me or not his responses and reasonings at this point sound town Awww man. Damdred's pulling at my heartstrings here. you not gonna criticize him either for wanting to grail someone who would use it (currently) to lynch him?
I am soft as fuck. Plus, I've spend the past 2 pages asking for the grail, questioning sloosh and pushing damdred. What more do you want from me?
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On September 06 2014 06:52 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 06:49 ritoky wrote:On September 06 2014 06:47 IAmRobik wrote:On September 06 2014 06:42 Damdred wrote:
I won't fight about other games in this thread, but mission started before this game and I did go mia around the time this one started and my cell was up in cell, and around the time this game started. So don't try to compare whole game filters please when they started different times.
I'll put the effort in to give reads on everyone soon as I get off work. I think I'll probably vote for rob for grail if he votes for me or not his responses and reasonings at this point sound town Awww man. Damdred's pulling at my heartstrings here. you not gonna criticize him either for wanting to grail someone who would use it (currently) to lynch him? I am soft as fuck. Plus, I've spend the past 2 pages asking for the grail, questioning sloosh and pushing damdred. What more do you want from me?
to have even criticism and perfect phrasing so i never have a shred of doubt about your towniness and can 99% town read you instead of 80-85%; thanks
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Let's lynch a townie so that he can angel protect me
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On September 06 2014 07:08 IAmRobik wrote:
Let's lynch a townie so that he can angel protect me
Well you've claimed to be a townie so let's follow this strategy and lynch you.
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On September 06 2014 07:11 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 07:08 IAmRobik wrote:
Let's lynch a townie so that he can angel protect me Well you've claimed to be a townie so let's follow this strategy and lynch you.
Then I can't save myself Moran!
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On September 06 2014 07:08 IAmRobik wrote:
Let's lynch a townie so that he can angel protect me
isn't lynching a scum read better in like...every scenario except when it's a spiteful townie?
cuz if we are wrong on the scum read and we lynch town, then a townie SHOULD protect the person with the grail with the angel power at least for the first night. plus there is no guarantee the grail bearer would be the target of the kill (thus confirming him as town to the martyr). best case scenario: we lose a town, save happens, kill no mafia, keep grail bearer alive. worst case scenario: 2 towns die (1 potentially being the person with the grail).
if we are right, we lynch scum and the scum would put protection on some random person or a teammate, and the martyr SHOULD take the death for the grail bearer and thus confirm the grail bearer as town. best case scenario: we lynch a scum and get a protection trade 1 for 0. worst case scenario: we trade 1 for 1 (potentially martyr or grail bearer).
maybe i am wrong with this analysis, but it seems like both the potential gain and loss of intentionally lynching a town are worse.
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geript, thoughts on Damdred? Would / would not lynch over gobbley?
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Wouldn't lynch over gobbly but it's not a bad target.
Right now I'm at:
Town:
Syl
Yam
Ritoky
Rayn
Koshi
I need to find 1-2 more town and just random. I'll figure it out after my movie
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I still want to lynch gobble. Gobble isn't doing anything since he parked his vote on me, staying in the shadows praying that my lynch takes off or that he stays hidden voitng me. This is the only "valuable" post he made in the last 18 hours.
On September 05 2014 22:06 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 21:10 HaruRH wrote:
I thought the notebook idea sucked so i decided not to use it.
Robik still haven't convinced me he is town yet. I am waiting.
Koshi, stop lying about wanting to post lesser. You know it won't happen and it only makes people suspicious of you. Where is the 'i am the town lord' koshi? Or are you scum?
Sylencia... wtf? Souping me? Are you trying to figure out my role or have you?
Oats... i feel the singaporean from you. We both are confusing for stupid americans.
Yamato -afk lord
Geript is missing. Where is he?
I'm not interested in talk about the rest yet.
Meanwhile, i am ghostly because i am busy. But i will have sudden spikes in activity when I'm free. Start asking me questions. 1. I can't tell if robik is town or not. 2. koshi is scum that's why 3. can you quote the sylencia post in question 4. wtf 5. ya he needs to post. It's not like he hasn't checked into the thread. he just doesn't post. 6. idk.
Gobble scumreads me for my town listpost. What is this then?
1) useless
2) wrong
3) not doing any work, how hard can it be to open sylencia his filter and search for the quote? He has a 1 page filter. This shows that gobble has no interest in analysing or searching for anything in the sylencia post. Just pretending wanting to help.
4) useless
5) " It's not like he hasn't checked into the thread. he just doesn't post. " O rly? How do you know? How can gobble know this? They are either scumbuddies and yamato logged into the scumqt or gobble is talking straight out of his ass here.
6) useless
Like, what is gobble doing here? He just quotes the first content posts HaruRH made that isn't about set-up and comments in it? Is this pressure on HaruRH? What is this? To me it looks like gobble saw an opportunity to trow some dirt on me and tried to mask it with putting words around it.
Also gobble his read on yamato is way too strong:
On September 04 2014 21:17 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 21:06 Sylencia wrote:
Haru is town. Can't explain in too much detail without souping Haru. I am pretty certain I'm seeing the ideal situation and disagree with Koshi's statement about not seeing the big picture.
Null:
yamato - call out with no reasoning. Impossible to say anything about it
damdred - 1 post
rayn - 1 post
lonemeow - not in yet
I'm extremely conflicted about Oats. I hate the fact he called sloosh and koshi scum without any reasoning - and still without explaining why he called it out in the first place. His case against sloosh is pretty paper thin and I disagree with his interpretation of sloosh's posts. My interpretation is that the Oracle, Inquisitor and Wraith do what they think is best in terms of both finding the best time to reveal and expose themselves to soup, and in addition who they target. All of us, including the mentioned roles should (at some point closer to deadline more likely) put in suggestions as to who are the ideal target(s). Obviously we can wait for sloosh to come back to smooth things out a bit, but I feel like Oats is just cherry picking the part that makes sloosh look the worse and ignoring everything around it. Main reason why I'm conflicted is because the way Oats has been playing is classic town Oats and some high percentage of games (I think) end up with Oats being mislynched D1 because of it -_-
IAmRobik - pretty townie, can't see scum seeing the gobble grail vote reasoning before being told about it. I wouldn't ever hammer over this alone, but it's definitely a strike against gobble
Gobble is null-scum - Until I think about it later, something gives me a bad feeling about the initial planning post (regarding Inquis/Oracle visiting the same person) - like it feels like a plan to stifle the information we get from the Inquisitor in order to get Oracle views, which I think is pretty average N1. Then there's the case from Robik which I still think is still decent, but as I said, it's not solid enough evidence.
Scum team prediction so far: 1 of the players who haven't posted more than once or twice, oats and gobble. I'm amazed that you are null reading the person who has posted nothing but 'i think koshi is scum' and 'still think hes scum'. I think it's very weird that yamato would bother to come in, make an unsubstantiated post, and then disappear. Clearly he had the time to post, but his effort doesn't show it.
Here you see gobble hard scumreading yamato for making 2 posts that say "I think Koshi is scum'
On September 04 2014 22:00 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 21:39 Koshi wrote:
gobbledydook, what is your read on yamato? He's scum. He had better have a good reason to explain his posting or I'm voting the shit out of him. As I said he has the time to come into the thread to say koshi is scum without any explanation, but doesn't actually bother to do anything constructive. One can only presume he's wasting our time.
Strong scumread on yamato.
On September 04 2014 22:08 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 22:07 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 04 2014 22:00 gobbledydook wrote:On September 04 2014 21:39 Koshi wrote:
gobbledydook, what is your read on yamato? He's scum. He had better have a good reason to explain his posting or I'm voting the shit out of him. As I said he has the time to come into the thread to say koshi is scum without any explanation, but doesn't actually bother to do anything constructive. One can only presume he's wasting our time. Why does scum draw attention to himself like that? That's a good point. I don't know. I don't know why town would do that either. It's just anti-town.
Gets called out for it and POOF, yamato scumread is gone in all his future posts.
On September 05 2014 00:36 gobbledydook wrote:Here's why I think koshi is scum. 1) Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 20:39 Koshi wrote:
I think I am ok with the following people. Just based on their posts.
•Oatsmaster only because ritoky
•gobbledydook
•IAmRobik
•geript
•slOosh
•ritoky this is a really bad post. It's a list of town people with no explanation whatsoever. It's not a list town would make. 2) he has done nothing while posting a whole page of filler. I don't see any insight he has offered that I would expect an experienced player like koshi would make as town. He went to sleep when the day had just started, but his posts haven't gained substance since he woke up. A look through sloosh's filter and it's not impressive either. There's some meaningless setup talk, and then there are a series of open-ended questions without actually committing to anything. I don't even know what his reads are. I agree with oats here on sloosh scum.
Nothing on yamato. Also from reading this I would vote SlOosh over Koshi.
On September 05 2014 12:45 gobbledydook wrote:
I completely disagree with geript's meta scumread of me. He claims that I am 'commenting on the thread' instead of 'forcing my views on people' and I cannot agree at all. First of all regarding 'forcing my views' I don't have a scumread right now strong enough that I would hard push. It's not surprising given it's only halfway through day 1. I have expressed my reads clearly - I think koshi and sloosh are scum - just not so sure that I would hard tunnel them.
As for 'commenting on the thread', I must disagree as well. I understand what you mean but I completely disagree that I have been a pedestrian. I can only say that if you want to talk about 'staying off the radar' I would think koshi is the worst offender of the lot: He's said nothing at all about his intentions and reads! I don't think I fall into that category.
Because of this completely incorrect meta read, I must retract my grail vote from geript.
Again nothing on yamato, and yamato posted way less than me at that point.
On September 05 2014 22:06 gobbledydook wrote:
5. ya he needs to post. It's not like he hasn't checked into the thread. he just doesn't post.
Back to yamato is scum for actively lurking. How can you say that and not mention yamato for "staying of the radar" in the previous post?
The only thing gobble does this game is see a post and (over)react to it. Look at his posts. Somebody makes a post and gobble reacts on that post alone, never combines anything and gives his point of view. Which is probably pretty difficult when you are not even reading the thread carefully.
Please vote gobble.
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Misrepresenting me again. I don't have to post a list of all lurkers every time I describe lurkers, I don't have to post a list of all bad posters every time I describe bad posters. I don't know why anyone would consider it scummy that I discuss scummy behaviour of one person while not saying the same about another similar person. BECAUSE I'M NOT DISCUSSING THE OTHER PERSON RIGHT NOW? It's almost a ploy to deflect attention, 'well, yeah, true, but look at the other guy he's just like that'. Doesn't mean what you posted is any good.
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On September 06 2014 11:18 gobbledydook wrote:
Misrepresenting me again. I don't have to post a list of all lurkers every time I describe lurkers, I don't have to post a list of all bad posters every time I describe bad posters. I don't know why anyone would consider it scummy that I discuss scummy behaviour of one person while not saying the same about another similar person. BECAUSE I'M NOT DISCUSSING THE OTHER PERSON RIGHT NOW? It's almost a ploy to deflect attention, 'well, yeah, true, but look at the other guy he's just like that'. Doesn't mean what you posted is any good.
how are you being misrepresented EXACTLY?
also, can i get updated reads from you on like....everyone. don't remember reads from you in like forever. would like reasons too, even if they are just 1-2 sentences. thanks.
unfortunate news regarding Town Jesus: i won't be around as much as I want during the next 24-36 hrs. someone at my work broke their foot and it looks like i am going to have to cover multiple shifts for them as well as do my own. if this deters you from voting on me for the grail, then i understand; however i am still Town Jesus.
which means i gotta figure out which of you assholes is scum pretty damn soon. like when i get a couple hours to not post from my phone.
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Lonemeow
1 page filter. Quite little activity, but what he has posted makes me think he's town. The thought processes don't feel like they come from a scum faking reads standpoint.
Oatsmaster
town. see how much work he has put into this game.
HaruRH
When I played world heavyweight with him he was scum and his level of inactivity was similar to this game. But here he gives the excuse that he's busy. Looking at his post quality it's not clear that he's town, A lot of what he says seems superficial, but it doesn't stand out as baaaaaaaad. That's actually a pretty big warning sign, really need to keep an eye on him, he could be scum.
Koshi
First he asks tons of questions without providing any reads. Then he hard scumreads me for all the wrong reasons. I'll take a break from defending myself against his accusations after this because it's not productive.
obligatory defense since you want to know why I think he misrepresented me
Let it be known that I'm not 'given up' or 'hoping my vote sticks' after voting him, it's that Season of the Witch mafia is not the only thing I do in my life and it just happened that I was not on the thread for most of the time after I voted him. And I certainly did not flip flop on yamato because I omitted yamato from a discussion of lurkers. I agree my response to haru wasn't the best. I just wanted him to discuss more so I went ahead and responded to his points.
end defense
Now that I reread his filter, I could see him being town despite all that though. He seems so *obviously* bad that he might not be. I'm torn now.
raynpelikoneet
I don't know why he's buddying geript. He doesn't particularly feel town or scum to me. This rayn doesn't feel like the rayn that would get nightkilled N0 for being too town. He doesn't feel distinctly scum though. So hard to read.
gobbledydook
over 9001% town.
IAmRobik
I'm pretty sure robik is town now. He isn't afraid to cop criticism when posting, and he posts a *lot*. Which has predictably led him to being questioned by multiple people. but he's all yolo mode and keeps going anyway. So town. Still wouldn't give grail, too prone to going full retard.
geript
I think he's probably town, but he's completely wrong about me. That's why he's not getting the grail.
slOosh
I thought he might be scum. Reread his filter. He is trying really hard to promote discussion of damdred who had been ignored for most of the day. Can't think of why scum would bring up a new topic with such effort. I think he's town for that.
yamato77
Mostly useless. Completely useless the last time I mentioned him, but he has posted some since then.
Quickly went through some of his recent games in response to his claim that he is always like that. Turns out he actually is like that every game.
Null read. If I were to lynch him now it would be a policy lynch for inactivity. But I don't believe in policy lynches so I will leave him be for now and see what he has to say as the game progresses.
Sylencia
Town sylencia
Scum sylencia
The difference being one contains insight and the other contains useless disguised as insight. Right now I think this game resembles the scumgame more than the towngame.
damdred
I've forgotten he exists in this game. That alone is worrying already.
Look at this damdred post. It looks long, but it really says nothing at all...
On September 06 2014 03:27 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 02:45 slOosh wrote:On September 05 2014 10:47 yamato77 wrote:
So sloosh, I guess you're ignoring me? You got me. Ignored the post partly because I didn't really have any meaningful reads on them yet, partly because I wanted to see you offer something of your own. But you've picked up your posting and I like the spotlight on the "big name" players. I feel better about rayn after his most recent slew of posts, particularly the setup one, because it's the same plan I thought up of to myself, and I'm less inclined to think scum rayn would freely give up that info because it's dubious if town would have figured it out. Nothing alarming about Koshi at this point either.
I think the best lynch at this point is Damdred, and I feel better about this than other lynches because it seems like people are ignoring him. Part of it is meta - Damdred plays an active town game. Look at Neat and Tidy Mafia. 4 pages and was shot N1. Now contextually he is playing 2 games at once, so perhaps a lower post count is expected. So let's look at the actual content of his posts. This post where he attacks sloosh for voting him: On September 05 2014 11:03 Damdred wrote:On September 05 2014 09:12 slOosh wrote:
I've given a total list of my reads few pages back. geript ticks up because of that post I pointed out and how strange it is.
I know Damdred is a totally capable player able to invest himself into a game, and yet 24 hours in all Damdred has been able to do this game is a couple of "I feel iffy" posts, one only because I prompted it. Your vote is not a bad one I have been absent for a good portion of the thread. However Sloosh your vote worries me for a few reasons. I responded a couple of times to you, and you did not interact with them much instead you just kind of dropped the subject instead of trying to see if you could get any more information out of me from my three big things. Your filter currently is a lot like Koshi, it looks a bit better however you do not draw a lot of conlusions from what you post honestly. Even your big list post you look at people and go not scum not scume, plays good scum must be watchful. Its this many hours into the game and yet you haven't taken a hard stance on anyone but put your vote down on me? If you vote me for I feel iffy posts your big list post deserves your own vote Like, ??? This is a non-defense that masquerades as a defense. Trying to shift the discussion to sloosh's 'scummy' play without addressing his own inactivity. Then this one: On September 05 2014 11:03 Damdred wrote:On September 05 2014 09:12 slOosh wrote:
I've given a total list of my reads few pages back. geript ticks up because of that post I pointed out and how strange it is.
I know Damdred is a totally capable player able to invest himself into a game, and yet 24 hours in all Damdred has been able to do this game is a couple of "I feel iffy" posts, one only because I prompted it. Your vote is not a bad one I have been absent for a good portion of the thread. However Sloosh your vote worries me for a few reasons. I responded a couple of times to you, and you did not interact with them much instead you just kind of dropped the subject instead of trying to see if you could get any more information out of me from my three big things. Your filter currently is a lot like Koshi, it looks a bit better however you do not draw a lot of conlusions from what you post honestly. Even your big list post you look at people and go not scum not scume, plays good scum must be watchful. Its this many hours into the game and yet you haven't taken a hard stance on anyone but put your vote down on me? If you vote me for I feel iffy posts your big list post deserves your own vote There are several things that are out of place with this post. First is calling my vote "not bad". So he admits that his play may warrant a vote. But then right after he says my vote is worrisome. Huh? Why say "your vote is understandable", and then immediately say "your vote is worrisome"? It is inconsistent. Then, watch this, be blames me for failing to interact with him. He blames me for not prying the information out of Damdred. It's my fault that Damdred holds valuable information, but did not pursue it. That is extremely convoluted thinking for town to make. You don't say "hey you didn't ask me for my reads, you are scum". Yet that is what Damdred does here. Next he tells me how my play is poor, and essentially calls me a hypocrite. What he doesn't do, is call me scum. If I'm doing all these things that he accuses me of, where I "haven't taken a hard stance", then by all means he should be calling me scum! Instead he complains how my vote is on him, and complains how I should be voting myself. This isn't town mentality. It's totally scum mentality. Because he knows I'm town, he is treating me such, even though his words betray that he wants to call me scum. Just because something is understandable does not mean it does not worry me sloosh. I can understand something and still be worried about it, for example i can understand if someone takes money from their job and throws it in their car. However it worries me becuase it could get stolen. I understand people not locking car doors sometimes but it worries me that the car might get stolen (-_-). You asked me for three big things and followed it up with a question and I answered, but YOU did not follow up anymore. If you were really worried about what I thought you might of asked for more information. But you based your vote on that partly. And your read list does not have any hard stances in it, your vote on me was the first hard stance you took
continuing to make a big deal about nothing of sloosh.
On September 06 2014 05:54 Damdred wrote:
Sloosh is so fixated on me its scary, he refuses to talk about anyone else just damdred damdred damdred. Intact its so bad he's scum reading people for not voting me or giving them scum points rather. He even won't say other scum to him now.
Rob, you look more town then when I said I was worried about you. You don't look like scum rob from guilty when I played with you.
On September 06 2014 06:22 Damdred wrote:
Woah for a second if you look at the three games I was in. Cell mission and here, my activity due to rl bottomed out on all three around the same time. Since I got my phone back my activity has risen again.
Sloosh is making a weak case on me and refuses to even give his other scum reads.
I'll use the last 24 hours to try to give a read for everyone across the board incase I get lynched though.
More attention shifting to sloosh without actually defending himself or giving reads.
I am pretty sure damdred is scum. I have a hard time imagining this is town damdred.
ritoky
He is town jesus. All hail town jesus! Town jesus for grail!
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