EPTCausewill be fun
Mission Mini Mafia
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
Causewill be fun | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
awesome | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
I really like the idea of trying to break the mafias mission as we go towards the EoD. Though I do not think that we need to drive ourselves crazy trying to figure out exactly what the mission is. We need to develop our reads and reasoning behind having the people up for lynch and every night cycle or day cycle look into how people are voting and see if there are any trends that people take together. Also just curious when you say cut the day short by an hour and just move all votes to the person who has the majority, doesn't that make our options kind of small and cause a tunnel on that person. If we go that way there really isn't much in the way of vote analysis to go with its just everyone pushed their votes on that one person and we can't see voting patterns for that time period when its important I guess is what i'm saying. That part worries me a bit. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
If I may draw your attention to Guilty mafia that just completed, we swung the vote in the last 30 seconds almost to lynch mafia day one. If we get stuck to much in the mindset that we have to find the mission and break it, or piling on votes to one wagon (which i think is what was discussed) is a good idea. It really is not today, or any day. We really need at least two wagons going just so we have another option and we can see peoples voting patterns take form after day1,2,3 etc.. What do you think about Templars post, and batsnacks vote? | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 02 2014 09:32 Micchan wrote: Its only the start of the phase #mess Why complain and run out of the thread, give us some thoughts about whats going on in the thread. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 02 2014 21:48 Oatsmaster wrote: I prefer not to guess what batsnacks is doing. Safe to say, whatever it is, it isn't very useful. ##vote: obiwan Oats, is your vote on obi for his random votings and lurking? Or some other reason? | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 03 2014 00:08 27ninjabunnies wrote: Oh and by shoot him, I mean shoot batsnacks, not 3d12. Though I might be willing to get him out of the game too. Why are you so willing to shoot batsnacks? You even say that this is fool batsnacks in your post, it seems kinda weird you would want to shoot bats when you think hes possibly trying to get lynched..... And why would you be willing to get 3d12 out of the game? He seems awkward its true, and his read on bats is faulty (his initial reasons anyway) but does not getting him out of the game for those reasons seem a bit flimsy to you? | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 03 2014 00:44 27ninjabunnies wrote: So a fool's win condition is to be lynched (hey, could be a mafia mission too). Basically, I'm trying to keep all my options open. It's how I approach the game. For all I know, we don't even have 3p or vigi. But it was just an idea. So, therefore, that's why I said shoot him rather than lynch. As for 3d12, more of a gut read, but I don't like his posting. Sure the bs read is slightly based on that, but his posting is awkward in general. Oh i misunderstood what you were saying about bats, I thought you were just calling him a fool in general not the role fool. I do not know if their is a third party so i'll leave that alone for now. But does awkward=scummy always? Is that a good way to go about scum reading people? | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote: Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game. Well I can understand that. However what do you think of bunnies posts besides her gut feeling on you? | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 03 2014 02:28 Micchan wrote: Ok here whatever Im srry 3d i highly suspect ing u after backtracking...ur obviously trying to divert attention rn... Well, i'm looking at 3d and his responses right now, and yes there does seem to be a little backtracking and their is awkwardness but I really don't see him trying to divert. From every post he meets it pretty head on and tries to explain his position. Where do you see him diverting and where to? | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
Why did you initially vote Templar and give no explanation and then unvote him? Did he do something to deserve your unvote? You also pay attention to 3d posting and conclude that he has sounded that way since before the game started. Do you think that his ideas and reactions are towny in nature? I know you said you thought his apologetic tone wasn't scummy. I must say bat this is not the normal town Bats i'm used to normally you are pretty crazy, which you showed with your first two posts (what was the first post from btw). But your posts feel really formulaic atm and it worries me. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 03 2014 11:24 Tehpoofter wrote: Hai I have no read on you. What are you reads? Why aren't you currently sheeping me onto Micchan? I'll answer the second question first. Currently, I am nervous about Micchan. He made his initial post (which i pointed out also), that complains about the thread atmosphere which honestly was not bad at the time of his post. I think we were still in setup talk and were startin to move towards actual talk. He did not stay in the thread and help improve the conversation or even say what the mess was. On his return his posts were an excuse and throwing more suspicion onto 3d with no follow up. He has since lurked obviously. This is worrisome to me, but it is not enough for a scum read currently I think. We still have a good many hours left to search for scum and their is just not much to go on in his filter, theres no real meta case to be made as he is a newb or a smurf. And well I really do not like going for low hanging fruit. The people who I would like to see more out of right now are: Batsnacks: His entrance to the thread was weird. On his re-entrance he ignored a lot of things that were posted against him, he never even showed interest in answering anything. His posts are really formulaic, right now they are reminding me of Neat and Tidy mafia instead of crazy bats in Cell or Titanic. Also usually hes really spammy, but his postings have been really hit and miss and even though he spared a lot of thoughts to 3d, his only reaction is that an apologetic tone is not scummy. But their are other things in 3ds posts that he could talk about and he does not really draw conclusions from that. Bunnies: Bunnies is a bit odd to me, a lot of her early filter is a lot of trolling with fluff thrown in. Suddenly she town reads templar and poof and gives little reason for it. Even goes far enough to meta read poof and giving him a town pass for not very good reasons. This is the worrying part to me, Bunnies talks about shooting people over gut feelings and saying that Bats is a third party (hypothetically). Has not returned to the thread yet and responded to why she would want to direct vig at this point to make a kill and push us towards lylo over nothing. Micchan for the reasons listed above 3D i'm not really sure about yet, he seems awkward which is not alignment indicative but he at least gives his views in the thread and then tries toe xplain himself. So more of a I want to see more of his thoughts. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
What do you think of him rejoining the thread, saying that we should ignore all missions, and then just talking about 3d the whole time he was in the thread? | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 03 2014 11:51 Tehpoofter wrote: Getting tired of this "yeah Micchan is being scummy and lurking but naa I don't want to vote him" Why do you think mafia isn't hoping on this lynch if Micchan is town? He is clearly just not trying and would be the easiest of all easy misslynches. I'm starting to wonder if the mafia goal involves like not voting as there is a bunch of people who haven't even placed a vote as of yet. I agree with your Bunnies read. I'm not too excited on how she talks about 3d parties and stuff wanting to kill them more than mafia as I think Oats pointed out. 3D Can you describe what you mean by awkward I think I know what you mean but not 100% also why would you bring it up that its a null in your opinion? Do you have any town reads atm? Batsnacks in the games you mentioned what alignment was he? I don't think I played in those. i'll start at the bottom and work my way up In N&T where his posts were the most formulaic he was mafia. In Titanic and Cell he ws a bit more irrational and hopped about, but he never avoided questions he met everything head on and faught everyone who really wanted to scum read him. He ignored all of that here like he sorta did in N&T. I have some town leans currently Well, I mean hes a bit awkward in his posts in that he needs follow up to clarify what he means and the idea behind it. And he draws a lot of attention because of it. I'm worried about him mainly because I do not know his play style and can not look it up. So i'd like to see a bit more to give me a bit more of a concrete read. Well theres still plenty of time to find a good lynch for today. Especially since this is not an instant majority, we have time to mull our options so no my vote is precious to me and I'll give it out when I think that they are mafia. So quit with the bad pressure to vote him right now. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 03 2014 11:57 Tehpoofter wrote: Oh I c just want to talk to Vivax and not me Damdred? jerk. I'm talking about him anyways.... cause lets be honest I forgot completely about mderg. He's not even in my BMK but I liked him as a Bang earlier his view on missions was weird but I felt like his reaction to when we discussed things earlier felt townie. You think he's scummy? He is curious to me right now. There were a few things to talk about in the thread at that point that he could of talked about, or some other reads he could of given. In one of his opening posts he even says giving reads>finding missions. There are a few other things he could of talked about or brought attention to, for instance he mentioned how lazy the votes on bats were. But he did not even bother talking about that in detail, he instead jumped on the pressure 3d train and then left the thread. So yea he looks a little weird to me righ tnow. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 03 2014 12:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I love how almost everyone is okay with me doing nothing. Then do something | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 03 2014 22:56 27ninjabunnies wrote: I'll leave you with this to stir over. Mafia 3d12 Oats Bat (I'm also still sticking with possible 3p here. Cause why the fuck not) Vivax Micchan (play the game dude, or get lynched) Towniest Town that Ever Towned Poofter Templar Sorta Town Kita Damdred Everyone else- Unknown/not important/ don't really care about. Could you talk more about Oats, I looked through your filter and I think this is your first mention of him. Why are you putting him in scum pile at this point? Also What are you making of obi at this point | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 03 2014 08:52 kitaman27 wrote: Micchan is definitely the low hanging fruit of the cycle. Typically I like pushing these types of lynches just as much as mafia do. I'm having trouble envisioning a scenario where he would be helpful on day three. The comment about 3d diverting attention seems sensationalized to me. His other post is a complaint without doing anything and a unnecessary defense. I might put myself in a bad spot if he flips green, but he may be my preferred lynch right now. Out of everything posted this is generally the most scummy looking thing that I see. However I do not read this as scummy at all. To me it shows reasonable doubt about his vote and where it is going. Hes struggling with the idea of lynching someone who is making excuses and not playing. I think its a really towny thing to struggle with, is it to scummy to be scum. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
Theres a few things that have led me to this vote. The first being in the way that his posts have gone about. He casually threw more accusations at 3d when pressure on him was the highest. He complained about the thread but never tried to fix it, gave excuses why he did not post yesterday and never posted again. All he has done is lurk, and while lurking is not scummy his play and posts look and feel scummy to me. A couple games ago I got into a situation that was similar in arnie and I let GB slide doing somewhat the same things and I don't want to make that mistake again by letting someone go whos to scummy to be scum. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 04 2014 03:53 3d12 wrote: Hey everyone, sorry for going MIA yesterday. I got dragged into a bit of a mess IRL that ended up sucking up my night. I lurked the thread on my phone when I could get service, and took down some notes: With my personal notes out of the way, let's move on to direct responses: Up until this post in the thread, bunnies' biggest contribution to the thread was to town claim for the person she's been buddying/bantering with throughout the whole thread. Suspicious? Yes. Lynchable? Not by itself. I also particularly disliked the way bunnies was gathering information, going from defensive short-posts to prodding people for their reads and then replying to each one-by-one. Generally, townies are more willing to share their reads, instead of needing to base their perspective on other people's reads. Today's bunnies is a bit different from yesterday's bunnies, in that she's laid out a list of her reads. No information or explanation, but at least she's sharing. I do like that. The read is silly because it was based entirely on meta. A person's meta can change from game to game. This read came from nothing tangible. For example, it would be impossible for me to have the same read on poof because I've never played with him. Since you and I have been exposed to the same information this game, you are using information I have not been exposed to to make a claim on someone else. That is absolutely 100% fishy, would you agree? As for my reads on poofter, see point 3 from my "last night's notes" above, and my list of reads below. Anyone else thinking that mderg is trying hard to get some focus on me? I wasn't the only one to nullread/townread bat yesterday. And yes, traditionally from my live mafia experience, provocative openings are usually townies. It's probably an 80/20 split. I never confirmed him green, but I pointed out that bat looked town from the way he opened. If you have a better reason to scumread him instead, why not post your reasoning? This was all the reasoning I could find in your filter, and it's pretty weak. So, how about it, mderg? Batsnacks: scum or town? List of reads: Mafia ObiWanShinobi (Very non-committal so far, easily switched vote from "troll vote" to batsnacks once it seemed like bat was being scumread. Hesitant to share information. Off-topic posts. Only real redeeming quality so far is calling out kush, very pro-town move.) mderg (Repeatedly pushing the "ignore the missions" idea, provoking reactions from players while not disclosing any information himself, heavy lurking, generally defensive) kushm4sta (Tunnel-vision on batsnacks, trying to start a plynch, low activity otherwise) Micchan (Inactivity, defensive, no thoughts shared, no case built, suspicious bandwagoning) Mafia-likely (Pink) TehPoofter (High voting pressure, starting a bandwagon/plynch, very large filter, calls people out on buddying while blatantly attempting to buddy, redeemed so far by good questioning of Templar's motives) Oatsmaster (Avoiding all talk about missions, redirecting scum claims towards bat and Obi, not posting thoughts openly) Neutral (White) The_Templar (Good expression and information-sharing, challenges unnatural ideas/thoughts, sensibly pieces together a motive. Neutral because of weak (meta/defensive) defense about his role) Vivax (Strange read on poofter, but otherwise constructs very sensible and well-put-together posts pointing out discrepancies. Without the pink vibe from his accusations toward kita and templar, would likely be very town atm.) Damdred (No real read yet, seems to be gathering information. Is asking the right questions, but not sharing information openly) 27ninjabunnies (Good info balanced out by suspicious buddying/claiming) Town batsnacks (I wasn't sure at first, but after your expose on kita, I know you're looking in the right places. Your investigation is solid and you're providing direct responses to your challenges. I highly doubt kita is scum, but I like the way you think.) kitaman27 (The main source of information so far imo, this guy is posting very good reads and keeping good notes. Only scummy behavior so far is what was pointed out by Vivax, but without further proof I'm willing to let it slide as a poor choice of words) All in all, I don't like the idea of a plynch. However, I less like the idea of scum lurking the thread and hopping on whatever bandwagon is hot at the time. Let's change that. ##Vote: Micchan What? This just looks funny to me. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 04 2014 07:05 batsnacks wrote: ebwop: poofter why did you say I was right? This is a really weird thing to say considering I was the only person who voted kitaman27. Do you think I was right about kitaman27? What are you talking about bats? Hes quoting you in a way. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
So I'm not sorry about lynching him and the reasons for the vote were fine. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
and mush is making me nervous for his activity level and bare bones posts. That's where I am atm | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
so I think he has to be in the discussion | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
Cool story about lynching me tmr oats i'll fight with you when that comes. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
Oats: Why did you say during the night that you were going to 100% lynch me today. And you seemed pretty concrete at that point but then you say that you could sheep the vote on kush? That seems kind of weak for you Oats after reading some of your games. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
I initially scum read bunnies but going back and rereading her filter, she answered all the questions posed to her. And I am starting to fade pink read her going towards green. She has actually asked some decent questions and pushed whats appearing to be a decent counter wagon on bats and has put pressure on him. Also my statement about oats still stands, if hes so sure that i'm the lynch today then theirs no reason to go after kush. Build a case on me instead of saying gotta roast kush some before. And if all it takes to scum read me is me explaining why i'm voting the way i am....we should vote poof off. Also if you look at most of my past games I always hold my vote late 100% of the time. In Guilty Rayn roasts me about my vote as well as other people do and I answer the same thing I do now, I like holding my vote longer so that I can get as much information before I decide on a vote. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
and probably 3d right now | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
However taking my time and deciding on mush after he posts more today is not a bad thing. He looks like his scum games but that doesn't mean he's scum | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
However a good bit of time passed and I thought he was the best option especially since a lot of people went afk with votes on him. So yea context helps that | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
And I'll talk with mush while he's here. However I am instead talking with you poof and viv | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
But as the day was coming to an end, he hadn't done anything at all past that time. So it was his own lack of trying that gave me confidence. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 05 2014 12:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Can you explain how people going afk with votes on. Micchan mean that he is the best option? By best option I mean most likely to flip scum phone posting and wasn't able to break the thought up correctly. I did think he was the best option at the time in the thread. However a last minute shift also seemed impossible from reading the thread | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 05 2014 12:15 Vivax wrote: You said you found his posts scummy and that lurking wasn't inherently scummy. Lurking you now call lack of trying. No way, man. This smells like an excuse. ##Unvote ##Vote Damdred Ok mr. I'll just stick my vote here and go to sleep plynch is cool. His posts were/are scummy, he lurked said scummy things which isn't inherrintly scummy then he left never came back. Yea ok whatever. Except low fruit who are actually town don't fuck off and not fucking fight. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 05 2014 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote: That doesnt mean you have to vote for someone everyone else thinks is scum. Literally you can vote ANYONE ELSE. Why was Micchan the best option and why afk people means you MUST FOR FOR HIM. obviously I said he was scum in my over explained post in getting trashed for right now... | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 05 2014 12:36 Vivax wrote: But with this you're using another argument than what you actually used previously: That his posts were scummy. That's cause I found a gap you had to fill in. except I've said they were scummy before | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
Marv or yamatto is good example of the last in showdown. Viv is a good example of lurking in storm 2, and mm1 is good example of low hanging fruit in a few of his games. Your conclusion is flawed | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
He did not even try. You are trying to split hairs here Viv. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
What mix did was more like Yamato in showdown. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 05 2014 22:08 Vivax wrote: Not gonna bold stuff but it's information from these posts. Vivax are you just going to post everything I say but put no context with it? The first part was a question to 3d about his read on bats, the second post was talking about PLynching bat after two posts. And if I might point out, I said that scum bats in that post usually is much more formulaic and lo and behold by the time I get to my scum read, I have examples in the thread and examples out of game comparing his meta. Also about his first post being weird, just for reference in the thread I believe bats had been in the thread before I posted my scum read on him, and he ignored pretty much everything that was posted against him at that point. Vivax you are giving no room for anyones reads to evolve or include anything as their mind gets to it. You just want people to go this is what I think and never move from it, it seems. Peoples reads and thought processes evolve over time and it should become apparent in what they say in the thread if you are confused about the evolution you ask for an explanation and expect an answer. You aren't doing that you see a post that says x and then another post say y and you scream scum. I will get to kitmans post that I was asked to comment on now and get to a couple scum reads | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 06 2014 02:30 Oatsmaster wrote: ##unvote ##vote kush Why vote on Kush again Oats? | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
Vivax: Hes seemed to tunnel pretty much every person he has went after this game. Templar, he said was scummy, bats he said was worth another look. But his vote ended up on someone he said was a plynch and then he peace'd out and went to sleep. He never reallye ven tried to get a wagon going on d1 and he jumped on a plynch As day two draws near he hears Oats wants to lynch people who over explained their votes. Vivax never looks back at the votes really. He jumps on me because of what he says is an over explained vote, but he never pressures the other people on the train who had contradictions in previous statements and where they ended up. He also gives no room for evolution of reads, or gives context for posts, he just looks for things that could be scummy and links them together. 3D: I just keep going back to those last posts he made in D1 and they just look bad. He has a lot of scum reads, and then says its scummy to jump on the hot lynch wagon after lurking but he does the same thing. He does say whatever he is thinking it seems like in d2 but his D1 to me was really scummy and his case on bats fullfilling some mission today is weird to me. Getting concerened about a couple other people now, I still have bats as scum but the case on him hasn't changed much. Hes really formal and is try hard and formulaic in his posts which look a lot like N&T and Storm 2, even his night 2 postings where he was getting people riled up it fits into his scum meta. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 06 2014 10:34 batsnacks wrote: WHERE'S DAMDRED? I REQUIRE DAMDRED IMMEDIATELY. Where have you been all my life batsnacks? | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 06 2014 10:47 batsnacks wrote: Damdred you're a very logical person. Is kitaman27 mafia or am I crazy? Or both? Well firstly, i'm glad to see a normal batsnacks. Which is to say that you are just normally insane which is why I like playing with you. On kitaman, i've reread his filter a couple of times now. And their are some scummy things about it. During a read through (on phone so can't quote but can add them later), he picks on some easy targets during the time 3d (who I think is mafia), batsnacks, damdred, obi and NB. Most of his cases or votes fall onto people who are either under a lot of pressure during the time, don't defend themselves, or when they do show up he transfers his vote. Or it seems if the vote is not gaining traction he will go back to someone that has a bit of traction (obi->Damdred for instance). Also he put up a decent case against bunnies, but he hasn't pushed it at all past a couple of posts which is weird to me. If he has a real scum read on her why isn't he pushing it like crazy instead of just posting it and then not even brining it back up, especially with bunnies lack of activity today. Instead he has been jumping between the different lynch wagons, with the exception being on obi, who he did not even stay on long enough to get a real pressure out of he just hopped back to me. So i'd say, hes not taking hard stances, trying to take his way towards an easy lynch (worrying about mic flipping green for instance or jumping on people who have had pressure), and hes not pushed his own nb read during the day to try to get her wagon going. So overall I think hes scummy after rereading his filter again | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
I'm torn who to vote for, because you still seem scummy to me viv and 3d does as well. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
All you have done last night/this morning is talk about the kita case, and that we need to pick a lynch target before the 4 people you listed and thats it basically. You do not go back and read what you missed out on or comment on it. There were a few things I think talking about you in their. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 06 2014 23:50 Vivax wrote: What's the point of this conversation? I can't think of anything I could answer with that isn't defending my actions and taking away the steam from your claims, which isn't necessary cause I'm not getting lynched whatever you do. I'm not going to further waste my words if your conversation is going to revolve around me. If you really want to get me lynched talk to the thread and not to me. Bullshit Whats bullshit? I explained what i meant? | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
And ever since then i've screamed that 3d is scum, while everyone else screams that he isn't. 3D has ignored every single person in this thread trying to get information from them but he yells at kush? Yeah fuck you viv for misrepresenting | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
Lurking=/=stopped fighting back. You are wrong and you should feel bad | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
Good job Viv | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
I think your scummy vivax, but 3d ignoring a ton of posts from poof and other people calling him scummy. Hes been doing it all game, with nb, with poof and with me. He has not interacted with the claims that hes scum hes just let people fight for his towniness without actually fighting himself. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 07 2014 00:33 Vivax wrote: Another terrible post. It's scummy looking but Damdred doesn't read it as scummy at all. What's even the point of bringing it up? Like, you see something scummy, it catches your attention, then you post reasons for it being towny. There's no town motivation behind posting something like this. You call out what you find scummy, you don't see something scummy, then look for reasons for why it's townie. Answer us why you found it scummy in the first place if you deliver a town explanation??? You willingly chose to interpret something in a townie way you claimed to have found scummy. Why don't you actually put the post in context to what was going on in the thread instead of just grabbing one out and yelling about it? | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 07 2014 00:38 Vivax wrote: Yeah, the context was that batsnacks called it out and you felt compelled to first agree with him then post why you actually think the opposite. Actually no thats not the context at all, I was responding to obi and I said. This looks the most scummy out of everything bats pointed out, BUT NOOOOOOOO. Was my post at the time basically. You are misrepresenting what was happening in the thread and my post | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 07 2014 00:43 Vivax wrote: For some reason you felt that batsnacks had a point but for some reason you decided you had to read kita as town and found a reason that explained it from a town PoV. What was the point of defending kita against it if you felt that what he posted was scummy? You can't call one behaviour both scummy and town in the same post unless you're making up shit. A townie answer would have been to plain and simply disagree with bats, a scummy answer is to first agree with him to kiss his ass and not look like you're disagreeing but then actually posting reasons for why you don't agree. Just because out of three posts that bat posted, one of them I say "Hey guys this is the most scummy thing kita says" doesn't mean that I think its scummy. instead I go and explain in that post why I don't think its scummy AT THAT TIME. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 07 2014 00:55 Vivax wrote: This? So you were finding reasons for batsnacks to scumread kita, found it the best reason, then immediately argued for it being actually something a townie would do? I saw obis question, I reread bats post. It was the only thing that could look scummy at that time in what he listed and I pointed it out and thought why town would struggle with it. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 07 2014 01:03 kushm4sta wrote: he was scum or town? do you think he is capable of that earlygame aggro like he showed in this game as scum? He was scum, he went after me maybe poof to. And then fucked off after he had his vote down for long periods of time. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 07 2014 01:38 Vivax wrote: This is also why you're scum. You were constantly on the fence with bats before, avoiding to give a more decisive opinion on him, always treading between agreeing and being indecisive when poofter questioned you. When obi talks about him, you felt compelled to reply for bats... Why would you do that? Obi wonders what reasons bats has to suspect kita. You feel like chiming in, and find the best reason bats has to display and then disagree with it. WHY? It just doesn't make any fucking sense from a town perspective. Your objective as town would be to find scum, not...Answering for bats, then disagreeing with him and townreading kita, who you recently called scummy for a bunch of other stuff. I said a few times in the thread before that, that I thought bats was scummy. I even had a small little meta case on him, why are you trying to misrepresent what i've done again vivax? I saw something I wanted to post about and give an opinion and I did. And it's called read evolution as the thread goes on reads change as you get more posts on people and you see more patterns and what not. Unlike how you are acting right now, I realize that I can be wrong and my reads can and should change on that. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 07 2014 01:39 kushm4sta wrote: but dont you think it's usually town who comes up with retarded theories like that? Retarded theory aside, which yes town is usuall the ones who come up with that. He still vanishes for long perios of time, especially after people fight pressure for him. Ignores the pressures put on b poof, attacks kush for his non activity when hes guilty of the same. And hopped on that lynch of mic when he said scum lurks and jumps on that. Am i wrong kusH? | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 07 2014 01:53 Vivax wrote: Cause at the time most people were on him and I wanted a majority driven wagon before it's 1 h pre-lynch. Which you would know if you read the thread at the time when I voted for him. Between you and him I don't care who goes first. Scum or scum =scum. Oh hey, its good to meet you bats! Wan't it just you who yelled at me for answering for bats? | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 07 2014 01:58 Vivax wrote: You can't compare that, I answer for bats cause it's about myself and I can explain it better than bats. You answered for bats with something that was about kita. Your whole case that you presented against me is semantics basically. And it always has been | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 07 2014 02:04 kitaman27 wrote: Damdred, its 115 hours into the game and you haven't given a read about batsnacks. Why not? On September 03 2014 11:38 Damdred wrote: I'll answer the second question first. Currently, I am nervous about Micchan. He made his initial post (which i pointed out also), that complains about the thread atmosphere which honestly was not bad at the time of his post. I think we were still in setup talk and were startin to move towards actual talk. He did not stay in the thread and help improve the conversation or even say what the mess was. On his return his posts were an excuse and throwing more suspicion onto 3d with no follow up. He has since lurked obviously. This is worrisome to me, but it is not enough for a scum read currently I think. We still have a good many hours left to search for scum and their is just not much to go on in his filter, theres no real meta case to be made as he is a newb or a smurf. And well I really do not like going for low hanging fruit. The people who I would like to see more out of right now are: Batsnacks: His entrance to the thread was weird. On his re-entrance he ignored a lot of things that were posted against him, he never even showed interest in answering anything. His posts are really formulaic, right now they are reminding me of Neat and Tidy mafia instead of crazy bats in Cell or Titanic. Also usually hes really spammy, but his postings have been really hit and miss and even though he spared a lot of thoughts to 3d, his only reaction is that an apologetic tone is not scummy. But their are other things in 3ds posts that he could talk about and he does not really draw conclusions from that. Bunnies: Bunnies is a bit odd to me, a lot of her early filter is a lot of trolling with fluff thrown in. Suddenly she town reads templar and poof and gives little reason for it. Even goes far enough to meta read poof and giving him a town pass for not very good reasons. This is the worrying part to me, Bunnies talks about shooting people over gut feelings and saying that Bats is a third party (hypothetically). Has not returned to the thread yet and responded to why she would want to direct vig at this point to make a kill and push us towards lylo over nothing. Micchan for the reasons listed above 3D i'm not really sure about yet, he seems awkward which is not alignment indicative but he at least gives his views in the thread and then tries toe xplain himself. So more of a I want to see more of his thoughts. On September 03 2014 11:59 Damdred wrote: i'll start at the bottom and work my way up In N&T where his posts were the most formulaic he was mafia. In Titanic and Cell he ws a bit more irrational and hopped about, but he never avoided questions he met everything head on and faught everyone who really wanted to scum read him. He ignored all of that here like he sorta did in N&T. I have some town leans currently Well, I mean hes a bit awkward in his posts in that he needs follow up to clarify what he means and the idea behind it. And he draws a lot of attention because of it. I'm worried about him mainly because I do not know his play style and can not look it up. So i'd like to see a bit more to give me a bit more of a concrete read. Well theres still plenty of time to find a good lynch for today. Especially since this is not an instant majority, we have time to mull our options so no my vote is precious to me and I'll give it out when I think that they are mafia. So quit with the bad pressure to vote him right now. QUOTE]On September 06 2014 03:17 Damdred wrote: Right now i'm suffering a bit from OMGUS and my reads are being colored right now, Vivax: Hes seemed to tunnel pretty much every person he has went after this game. Templar, he said was scummy, bats he said was worth another look. But his vote ended up on someone he said was a plynch and then he peace'd out and went to sleep. He never reallye ven tried to get a wagon going on d1 and he jumped on a plynch As day two draws near he hears Oats wants to lynch people who over explained their votes. Vivax never looks back at the votes really. He jumps on me because of what he says is an over explained vote, but he never pressures the other people on the train who had contradictions in previous statements and where they ended up. He also gives no room for evolution of reads, or gives context for posts, he just looks for things that could be scummy and links them together. 3D: I just keep going back to those last posts he made in D1 and they just look bad. He has a lot of scum reads, and then says its scummy to jump on the hot lynch wagon after lurking but he does the same thing. He does say whatever he is thinking it seems like in d2 but his D1 to me was really scummy and his case on bats fullfilling some mission today is weird to me. Getting concerened about a couple other people now, I still have bats as scum but the case on him hasn't changed much. Hes really formal and is try hard and formulaic in his posts which look a lot like N&T and Storm 2, even his night 2 postings where he was getting people riled up it fits into his scum meta. [/QUOTE] Though a current read i'm not as confident as batscum | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 07 2014 02:10 kitaman27 wrote: Well it's really unlikely that 3d is going to get enough votes by the end of the cycle. Would you switch over to bat? What do you think about batsnack's sudden vote again you? Kush keeps telling me i'm wrong about 3d, well almost everyone is telling me i'm wrong about 3d. I have to rethink him and reread him in the time I have left. Bats changed his playstyle day 2, which caused me to doubt my case against him. I'm not sure if he did that because of my case on him or because hes town. The sudden vote worries me because last night he said that I was the man, which normally means hes town reading me but the sudden switch makes me conflicted. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
Day one he was just so structured in everything he did. It felt so much like N&T bats only posting during certain times of the day, and the way he did everything just felt that way. It also looked and felt like storm 2 when he was mafia. Night one, he got a few people mad with his posts which is normal bat play as mafia in storm 2 which fit really well. But hes always a dick to people. Day two, hes not been as structured and has jumped around doing whatever he wants like he did in Cell. But his vote swing after seemingly town reading me doesn't fit into normal bats. I'm going to have to go scum, but i'm conflicted on him. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 07 2014 02:26 Vivax wrote: How many scumreads do you have at the moment? Four currently | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 07 2014 02:30 Vivax wrote: Why conflicted about bats then? It's not like there could be 5 scum, and you don't have alternatives. See viv this is where I think you are failing at righ tnow you are trying to play word games with me and try to find some holes in what i'm saying. Instead of asking "Who are these four scum reads" you go full retard and jump at something that is not there | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 07 2014 02:47 Vivax wrote: And then his vote ends up on the guy he was the least sure about in that post you mentioned, and he justifies it with him giving up. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. You threw your vote down and just said plynch and went to sleep. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
I'm going to eat something then come back and calm down. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
I didntexpect mush to be up for lunch, he's town ##unvote ##vote batsnacks | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
checked kish he's green | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
##Vote Damdred | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
And his idea, that being wrong is scummy is a bad practice in general | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
Since none want to talk to me, I'll just see you all in the next day cycle | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 08 2014 12:41 27ninjabunnies wrote: I'm pretty sure you are getting voted off. And you voted yourself. but sure, damdred. Lets talk Who are your mafia partners?  if you say so, and yes I voted myself easy indeed.and I'm not mafia | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 08 2014 12:50 27ninjabunnies wrote: Prove it. Why did you claim a blue role at end of day when you were about to be killed off? kush was about to be killed and well I knew he was green also if you go look at the votes kush and bats were leading I think when I posted I had 1 vote | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
Plus if you look at his posts you can see his thought process he's not scared to be wrong admits it, and shows evolution in what he does. Also his struggle he's shown and uncertainty with reads is a kush town tell. and a town kush is more valuable alive than a dead town kush. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
I'd probably say 3d is still on my radar. He has shown very little later in the day and night cycles. Vivax because of his insistance that I'm scum and fighting with me for 1/2 the day but voteing on kush for almost the entirity of the day. Posaibly oats or kit in trying to decide but oats doesn't have much to do on besides the plynch him refusing to play and move off kush | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
I never had a chance with vivax trying to tear apart everything I wrote yesterday, sometimes you have to vote for someone you aren't sure of over someone you think is town. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
I'll be on my comp in 2 hours toughly so I can dive better. But you shouldn't make associative cases like you are Viv it kinda sucks. and I'm not oats was wondering if anyone else got blocked | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 09 2014 01:37 3d12 wrote: Oh, and obviously: ##Vote: Damdred It's very strange you would claim cop and reveal your N1 check, but then not tell us the result of your N2 check... And how are you still alive anyway, if our doctor is dead? Too many contradictions and not enough votes, imo. This is the craziest post....You even say in a previous post that bats flipped cop...I admit that i lied to save kush. Town won't have two cops in this setup I think ever. You also give some form of connection between bats vote being on kit early and me late, the only reason bat the cop put his vote on me was he was the cop? Its the most likely answer. I just think you are posting stuff to post stuff 3d. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
Anyway i'm not sure viv, poof always talked about wanting to pressure 3d or he did some. But he never seemed to actually pressure him. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 09 2014 03:03 Vivax wrote: And why do you bring this up if it isn't conclusive for you? I think, i'm not getting across what i'm saying. What i'm saying is, poof showed that he wanted to pressure 3d but never pressured him. So he was just using an illusion | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
3D basically ignores poofs pressure and poof magically goes off of him. I do think hes scum. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote: Thanks Damdred, that was a good explanation. From my RL experience with Mafia, I've found it's usually good to have multiple options at the end of the day like you said, to be able to better piece together who is siding with whom in the long run. I'd say that's a defensible tactic to employ later on, but I'd agree that it serves no purpose in the first few days. Especially when we have no hint whatsoever as to what these missions are. From Templar's post, I think this stuck out to me the most: [quote="The_Templar"] And the missions are required for mafia… or they will die. I would say that's better for us anyway He makes a good point. We're making a witch-hunt out of nothing right now. I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet. [/QUOTE]This post has two buddy points in it, One with me, when he shows appreciation for what I did, and one for bats just town reading him for nothing at this point. Also another thing that I have a problem with in this post is the fact that he wants multiple options by the end of the day On September 04 2014 03:53 3d12 wrote: Hey everyone, sorry for going MIA yesterday. I got dragged into a bit of a mess IRL that ended up sucking up my night. I lurked the thread on my phone when I could get service, and took down some notes: With my personal notes out of the way, let's move on to direct responses: Up until this post in the thread, bunnies' biggest contribution to the thread was to town claim for the person she's been buddying/bantering with throughout the whole thread. Suspicious? Yes. Lynchable? Not by itself. I also particularly disliked the way bunnies was gathering information, going from defensive short-posts to prodding people for their reads and then replying to each one-by-one. Generally, townies are more willing to share their reads, instead of needing to base their perspective on other people's reads. Today's bunnies is a bit different from yesterday's bunnies, in that she's laid out a list of her reads. No information or explanation, but at least she's sharing. I do like that. The read is silly because it was based entirely on meta. A person's meta can change from game to game. This read came from nothing tangible. For example, it would be impossible for me to have the same read on poof because I've never played with him. Since you and I have been exposed to the same information this game, you are using information I have not been exposed to to make a claim on someone else. That is absolutely 100% fishy, would you agree? As for my reads on poofter, see point 3 from my "last night's notes" above, and my list of reads below. Anyone else thinking that mderg is trying hard to get some focus on me? I wasn't the only one to nullread/townread bat yesterday. And yes, traditionally from my live mafia experience, provocative openings are usually townies. It's probably an 80/20 split. I never confirmed him green, but I pointed out that bat looked town from the way he opened. If you have a better reason to scumread him instead, why not post your reasoning? This was all the reasoning I could find in your filter, and it's pretty weak. So, how about it, mderg? Batsnacks: scum or town? List of reads: Mafia ObiWanShinobi (Very non-committal so far, easily switched vote from "troll vote" to batsnacks once it seemed like bat was being scumread. Hesitant to share information. Off-topic posts. Only real redeeming quality so far is calling out kush, very pro-town move.) mderg (Repeatedly pushing the "ignore the missions" idea, provoking reactions from players while not disclosing any information himself, heavy lurking, generally defensive) kushm4sta (Tunnel-vision on batsnacks, trying to start a plynch, low activity otherwise) Micchan (Inactivity, defensive, no thoughts shared, no case built, suspicious bandwagoning) Mafia-likely (Pink) TehPoofter (High voting pressure, starting a bandwagon/plynch, very large filter, calls people out on buddying while blatantly attempting to buddy, redeemed so far by good questioning of Templar's motives) Oatsmaster (Avoiding all talk about missions, redirecting scum claims towards bat and Obi, not posting thoughts openly) Neutral (White) The_Templar (Good expression and information-sharing, challenges unnatural ideas/thoughts, sensibly pieces together a motive. Neutral because of weak (meta/defensive) defense about his role) Vivax (Strange read on poofter, but otherwise constructs very sensible and well-put-together posts pointing out discrepancies. Without the pink vibe from his accusations toward kita and templar, would likely be very town atm.) Damdred (No real read yet, seems to be gathering information. Is asking the right questions, but not sharing information openly) 27ninjabunnies (Good info balanced out by suspicious buddying/claiming) Town batsnacks (I wasn't sure at first, but after your expose on kita, I know you're looking in the right places. Your investigation is solid and you're providing direct responses to your challenges. I highly doubt kita is scum, but I like the way you think.) kitaman27 (The main source of information so far imo, this guy is posting very good reads and keeping good notes. Only scummy behavior so far is what was pointed out by Vivax, but without further proof I'm willing to let it slide as a poor choice of words) All in all, I don't like the idea of a plynch. However, I less like the idea of scum lurking the thread and hopping on whatever bandwagon is hot at the time. Let's change that. ##Vote: Micchan This is his EoD post where he discusses his multiple scum reads, in this case 6 scum reads with a lot of neutrals. Never really pushes another one and says the bolded which I still find to be really scummy with what the thread was doing at the time. Also in fairness, at this point EoD there were very few people active and not another lynch really being pushed. His argument from obi, seemed forced and a bit fake at that point in the thread as well going into the night. On September 06 2014 04:06 3d12 wrote: Maybe it's just me, but I don't like this defensive tone. ##unvote ##Vote kushm4sta You have one chance from me. I was reading you town prior to today, but now I'm willing to put the batwagon on hold to pin you on this: Post your updated reads, or explain in clear terms why batsnacks couldn't be scum. You may quote any posts you would like to make this argument, not just the one you were referencing initially. He actually is starting to town read kush for some of d2, but suddenly hes upset about a "defensive" tone and jumps on him. It does not make sense to me. He does jump off of kush at one point but jumps back on him after some stupid test to see if he could scum read someone off of a mod warning. Then right back on kush even though he was ok with his responses after the ultimatum. Start of day three, he reinterates about me lying, even though he posted about it night 2. But then proceeded to talk about another check. Just mind blown. I'm pretty sure this guy is scum and I think after reading some of poof I might understand what his mission was but it sounds a bit tinfoil. I"ll work on my second one now | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 09 2014 04:42 Vivax wrote: Another interesting thing is that no scum sheeped me on Damdred D2, except for kita if he indeed is. I think I'll stick to my old D2 plan although the night kill bugged me. ##Unvote ##Vote Damdred Didn't poof start yelling for everyone to jump on me or kush though? Then he complained his vote did not post, so I guess we won't know and can't proove either way | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
Also Kush moved his votes from bats to me also during EoD. I also think most of the posts you have pointed towards just fit a narrative that you are building to make me look scummy so yea, I think it's a pretty weak play right now. But I would give you the chance to respond and us drop it so we don't crap up the thread with it. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
To be honest I thought I had more time to get my second read out but I admit I'm probably dying either wayt at this point. got caught in utility work on way home with the wife. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
##Vote 27ninjabunnies | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
On September 10 2014 02:08 Vivax wrote: Damdred can you explain to me how this line from 3d makes you think he's scum? Sure 3d lurked for most of the end day it seemed, and even though he had a lot of scum to pick from he decided to hop on the hot lynch at the moment. So that whole sentence to me is a slip | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
I think i'm leading, but not sure by how much, I know Oats, 3d, Kitaman and NB are on me, Kush and I are on NB, Vivax is not voting currently. I would like people to switch to NB, buddied poof early for no reasons, wanted people to shoot bats, wanted to find a 3p if there was one. Kept saying they were finding scum but did not really scum hunt. I would like to lynch 3d as well, I think scum team is 3d and NB. | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
Theres only three of us active currently, lets take the last bit of time to decide if its me, or nb since we can't garner the activity to get 3d today | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
I would love to lynch 3d, I just don't think we have the activity to swing it in the next 16 minutes | ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
|
Damdred
15669 Posts
| ||
| ||
