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On August 24 2014 04:27 yamato77 wrote:
I'm still the best lynch in Hapa's eyes?
Maybe we do just lynch him.
You still haven't done jack =/
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On August 24 2014 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 04:29 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:
Hapa, you doing something right now? If you still want some targets to analyse -> Xatalos and Onegu for starters. As for Xatalos... the 14 pages makes me think he's town. That seems mind-boggling for mafia to do - it's a different level of activity all together. I could definitely go through his filter and nitpick stuff (as have others), but I would find it incredibly difficult for Xat to maintain this level of activity as mafia. Hell I would be impressed if *anyone* had 14 pages on Day 1 as mafia. Ok, so basically you townread Onegu and Xatalos. So in your eyes all 3 of rayns targets are town. But you don't scumread him anymore?
Rayn's gone off the deep end and is scum-reading literally everyone that reads him as mafia.
Thinking someone is town =/= agreeing with their reads, or I'd call myself mafia and lynch myself.
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As for Onegu - someone link me to the championship game? I didn't follow it and can't find it on the 2p2 forums.
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On August 24 2014 04:35 yamato77 wrote:
I don't really have the time to fight my lynch in the next couple hours
au revoir
That's dumb =/
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On August 24 2014 04:36 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 04:34 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:On August 24 2014 04:29 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:
Hapa, you doing something right now? If you still want some targets to analyse -> Xatalos and Onegu for starters. As for Xatalos... the 14 pages makes me think he's town. That seems mind-boggling for mafia to do - it's a different level of activity all together. I could definitely go through his filter and nitpick stuff (as have others), but I would find it incredibly difficult for Xat to maintain this level of activity as mafia. Hell I would be impressed if *anyone* had 14 pages on Day 1 as mafia. Ok, so basically you townread Onegu and Xatalos. So in your eyes all 3 of rayns targets are town. But you don't scumread him anymore? Rayn's gone off the deep end and is scum-reading literally everyone that reads him as mafia. Thinking someone is town =/= agreeing with their reads, or I'd call myself mafia and lynch myself. While that is of course true I still think it is weird for you to think that this is ok for townrayn to think if you are town.
How is it weird? Townies OMGUS like this all the time, particularly Rayn.
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On August 24 2014 04:36 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 04:32 Xatalos wrote:On August 24 2014 04:29 Damdred wrote:On August 24 2014 04:25 Xatalos wrote:On August 24 2014 03:44 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 24 2014 03:32 Xatalos wrote:
turtlevine is clearly an experienced player + town so him pushing Hapa makes me think about the meaning of life.
Although his read of me is bad, I can't just ignore him scumreading Hapa - I'm no expert on Hapa and certainly there's room for error in my judgment. I hope Hapa returns soon and really proves that he's town. Him dropping the rayn read based on spam and leaving didn't leave the best last impression. Ok, but I don't see you doing anything about this. Who is turtle, Xat, and what do you know of whom you think it is? Also why are people not voting for yamato exactly? I see lots of waffling over Rayn/hapa, fine, but correct me if I'm wrong but no one currently has a townread on yamato, do they? Also fuck lynching damdred today I don't have time for a filterdive until later tonight and I'm not confident enough. He's really obviously a smurf with a lot of experience (Prome? not sure but someone good anyway) + he's basically confirmed as town. These points combined lead me to at least show some level of respect for his play, so perhaps I should revisit my townread of Hapa. Well, Hapa just returned so I hope to see more from him from now on. Maybe yamato deserves a lynch if he keeps popping in and out of the thread without offering much of anything. It's also not a loss even if he ends up town. I still feel like rayn is scum here and I haven't seen anything to really make me feel otherwise. The bolded bothers me, obviously he is mafia if he doesn't contribute but what i've seen isn't as bad as some people think it is. I'm going to wait on his read to see if he can keep a promise meh. But why don't you care exactly? I care about mislynches i'd rather just lynch mafia every day instead of thinking well if hes town no great loss Because I wouldn't want him at LYLO either way if this continues. But its no where close to LYLO so why would you be ok with lynching town at this point?
Man your timing is something else.
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On August 24 2014 04:39 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 04:37 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 04:36 justanothertownie wrote:On August 24 2014 04:34 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:On August 24 2014 04:29 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:
Hapa, you doing something right now? If you still want some targets to analyse -> Xatalos and Onegu for starters. As for Xatalos... the 14 pages makes me think he's town. That seems mind-boggling for mafia to do - it's a different level of activity all together. I could definitely go through his filter and nitpick stuff (as have others), but I would find it incredibly difficult for Xat to maintain this level of activity as mafia. Hell I would be impressed if *anyone* had 14 pages on Day 1 as mafia. Ok, so basically you townread Onegu and Xatalos. So in your eyes all 3 of rayns targets are town. But you don't scumread him anymore? Rayn's gone off the deep end and is scum-reading literally everyone that reads him as mafia. Thinking someone is town =/= agreeing with their reads, or I'd call myself mafia and lynch myself. While that is of course true I still think it is weird for you to think that this is ok for townrayn to think if you are town. How is it weird? Townies OMGUS like this all the time, particularly Rayn. Well, you basically say that you are scummy enough for a very good townplayer to scumread you. And not only is this player wrong on you but also on all his other scumreads.
Well all of Rayn's reads are based of me being mafia and all mafia therefore attacking him. When you start with axioms like that, it's not weird for me to disagree with him.
And what I don't understand is... if I was mafia, why wouldn't I just keep pushing him? I'd have a really good shot of lynching him between the two votes already on him, myself, and yamato. Instead I backed off and drew a shitton of unnecessary attention on myself.
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On August 24 2014 04:43 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 04:41 justanothertownie wrote:On August 24 2014 04:39 Damdred wrote:On August 24 2014 04:37 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 04:36 Damdred wrote:On August 24 2014 04:32 Xatalos wrote:On August 24 2014 04:29 Damdred wrote:On August 24 2014 04:25 Xatalos wrote:On August 24 2014 03:44 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 24 2014 03:32 Xatalos wrote:
turtlevine is clearly an experienced player + town so him pushing Hapa makes me think about the meaning of life.
Although his read of me is bad, I can't just ignore him scumreading Hapa - I'm no expert on Hapa and certainly there's room for error in my judgment. I hope Hapa returns soon and really proves that he's town. Him dropping the rayn read based on spam and leaving didn't leave the best last impression. Ok, but I don't see you doing anything about this. Who is turtle, Xat, and what do you know of whom you think it is? Also why are people not voting for yamato exactly? I see lots of waffling over Rayn/hapa, fine, but correct me if I'm wrong but no one currently has a townread on yamato, do they? Also fuck lynching damdred today I don't have time for a filterdive until later tonight and I'm not confident enough. He's really obviously a smurf with a lot of experience (Prome? not sure but someone good anyway) + he's basically confirmed as town. These points combined lead me to at least show some level of respect for his play, so perhaps I should revisit my townread of Hapa. Well, Hapa just returned so I hope to see more from him from now on. Maybe yamato deserves a lynch if he keeps popping in and out of the thread without offering much of anything. It's also not a loss even if he ends up town. I still feel like rayn is scum here and I haven't seen anything to really make me feel otherwise. The bolded bothers me, obviously he is mafia if he doesn't contribute but what i've seen isn't as bad as some people think it is. I'm going to wait on his read to see if he can keep a promise meh. But why don't you care exactly? I care about mislynches i'd rather just lynch mafia every day instead of thinking well if hes town no great loss Because I wouldn't want him at LYLO either way if this continues. But its no where close to LYLO so why would you be ok with lynching town at this point? Man your timing is something else. Oh yea? hows that? Remind you of your own? You seem to be very pissed this game. Yea I didn't mean for that to come off pissy I was being sarcastic/joking there last night since me and hapa talked about timing last night
Joking aside, you only seem to post in this game when someone mentions your name and/or calls you suspicious.
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On August 24 2014 04:47 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 04:44 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 04:39 justanothertownie wrote:On August 24 2014 04:37 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 04:36 justanothertownie wrote:On August 24 2014 04:34 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:On August 24 2014 04:29 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:
Hapa, you doing something right now? If you still want some targets to analyse -> Xatalos and Onegu for starters. As for Xatalos... the 14 pages makes me think he's town. That seems mind-boggling for mafia to do - it's a different level of activity all together. I could definitely go through his filter and nitpick stuff (as have others), but I would find it incredibly difficult for Xat to maintain this level of activity as mafia. Hell I would be impressed if *anyone* had 14 pages on Day 1 as mafia. Ok, so basically you townread Onegu and Xatalos. So in your eyes all 3 of rayns targets are town. But you don't scumread him anymore? Rayn's gone off the deep end and is scum-reading literally everyone that reads him as mafia. Thinking someone is town =/= agreeing with their reads, or I'd call myself mafia and lynch myself. While that is of course true I still think it is weird for you to think that this is ok for townrayn to think if you are town. How is it weird? Townies OMGUS like this all the time, particularly Rayn. Well, you basically say that you are scummy enough for a very good townplayer to scumread you. And not only is this player wrong on you but also on all his other scumreads. Well all of Rayn's reads are based of me being mafia and all mafia therefore attacking him. When you start with axioms like that, it's not weird for me to disagree with him. And what I don't understand is... if I was mafia, why wouldn't I just keep pushing him? I'd have a really good shot of lynching him between the two votes already on him, myself, and yamato. Instead I backed off and drew a shitton of unnecessary attention on myself. I think you realized that you wouldn't have gotten him lynched and even if you had succeeded if he had flipped town you would have been the next lynch after how this went down. The only small point in your favor is that you went against him like this in the first place.
I very much disagree with this, given that Rayn has the persuasiveness of a brick.
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On August 24 2014 04:49 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 04:48 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 04:47 justanothertownie wrote:On August 24 2014 04:44 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 04:39 justanothertownie wrote:On August 24 2014 04:37 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 04:36 justanothertownie wrote:On August 24 2014 04:34 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:On August 24 2014 04:29 Hapahauli wrote:
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As for Xatalos... the 14 pages makes me think he's town. That seems mind-boggling for mafia to do - it's a different level of activity all together.
I could definitely go through his filter and nitpick stuff (as have others), but I would find it incredibly difficult for Xat to maintain this level of activity as mafia. Hell I would be impressed if *anyone* had 14 pages on Day 1 as mafia. Ok, so basically you townread Onegu and Xatalos. So in your eyes all 3 of rayns targets are town. But you don't scumread him anymore? Rayn's gone off the deep end and is scum-reading literally everyone that reads him as mafia. Thinking someone is town =/= agreeing with their reads, or I'd call myself mafia and lynch myself. While that is of course true I still think it is weird for you to think that this is ok for townrayn to think if you are town. How is it weird? Townies OMGUS like this all the time, particularly Rayn. Well, you basically say that you are scummy enough for a very good townplayer to scumread you. And not only is this player wrong on you but also on all his other scumreads. Well all of Rayn's reads are based of me being mafia and all mafia therefore attacking him. When you start with axioms like that, it's not weird for me to disagree with him. And what I don't understand is... if I was mafia, why wouldn't I just keep pushing him? I'd have a really good shot of lynching him between the two votes already on him, myself, and yamato. Instead I backed off and drew a shitton of unnecessary attention on myself. I think you realized that you wouldn't have gotten him lynched and even if you had succeeded if he had flipped town you would have been the next lynch after how this went down. The only small point in your favor is that you went against him like this in the first place. I very much disagree with this, given that Rayn has the persuasiveness of a brick. If this is true how did he persuade you that he was town?
Throwing the brick at my head.
On August 24 2014 04:53 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, Hapa I will take a break for a while soon. Who is scum besides yamato?
Damdred and Vayne. I'll get to it in a minute.
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And re: the above, they're not as strong reads as Yamato (and we should lynch him first), but definetely people to look into in later days.
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So I take back what I said on Damdred. I think he's town, as there are posts (particularly in his interactions with Rayn) that scream genuinity.
Page 4 of his filter has a great selection:
On August 23 2014 23:53 Damdred wrote:
Your right gb rayn knows my button atm and is pressing it to get me emotional. Before his horrible reasoning i read on me i was actually starting to lean more towards rayn being town because hapas post+ coming off rayn and voteing and unvoteing made little sense for a town to do but I'm unconvinced guess now.
I need a bit of fime
On August 23 2014 23:57 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 23:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 23 2014 23:49 GlowingBear wrote:On August 23 2014 23:46 Damdred wrote:
That he's a fucking dick who's just spouting bs and not even reading the thread at this point Calm down and answer me properly  I want his alignment, not his personality He has thought i am mafia for like all game because "i am so wrong" but still he cannot vote because he would actually need to explain something. That's the point about just "being here" and not doing shit. Hiding in shadows. Are you fucking retarded or just bad at mafia? Its called being fucking objective, do you really think that just because I got mad at you because of your post earlier and said its scum oriented that I would immediately jump on you!?! NO, BECAUSE I CAN SEPARATE EMOTION FROM ACTION YOU DICK. I CAN SEE THAT I CAN BE WRONG AND NEED MORE FUCKING INFORMATION BEFORE I JUMP ON SOMEONE, I DONT HAVE TO JUMP ON YOU JUST BECAUSE YOU VOTE FOR ME. I KNOW WHEN I WILL START OMGUS. and stop fucking exaggerating about me reading you mafia all game because its just not true, I never made mention of you being mafia up until your stupid little posts about me not posting content. You were wrong then and you are wrong now so go fuck yourself.
On August 24 2014 01:42 Damdred wrote:
I like your yamato point wave, he did something similar in showdown but people asked for his reads and he never gave them when he was scum....
And i'm undecided if Rayn is scum, he is trying to antagonize people, and is pushing my buttons that he knows he can push. I was leaning towards him being town but i'm just unsure he did a lot of these same tactics in the titanic this past time when he was mafia. He does have a big filter but a lot of it is spamming the same useless stuff over and over and hes capable of having a big filter as mafia I just don't know what I think because i'm upset with him
This is a guy that seems very emotionally torn over his read on Rayn, and this thought process seems very hard to fake. Genuine frustration, mixed with awareness of his bias... I like it.
Vayne on the other hand is pretty suspicious. Primarily for this post:
On August 24 2014 02:44 justanothertownie wrote:
Since when do you care about the lynch day1, vayne?
On August 24 2014 02:46 VayneAuthority wrote:
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Do I have to troll every game? not really. I always try when im needed and this game is a mess.
There's a huge difference between how he's representing himself (helpful, trying) than what he's actually doing.
So Vayne is "trying" because he believes the thread is a mess. What does he do to solve the mess? Simple. First you sheep all the thread sentiment, calling Rayn town, and myself/yamato as mafia:
On August 23 2014 07:18 VayneAuthority wrote:
if anything yamato is scum for the simple reason that he already wants to lynch me, look at every scumgame he has ever played and he always tries to gets me lynched, he has some weird fetish for it.
On August 23 2014 07:25 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
HERE. HERE IS THE REASON WHY HAPA IS MAFIA:
He does not state why he thinks i am scum. He just says stuff without saying why it is scummy. nah its because the thread was very nice and orderly and we basically had the game in the bag until he decided to make an awful post that would obviously make you mad and shit up the thread. so obvious.
On August 24 2014 02:09 VayneAuthority wrote:
nah wave rayn is town.
...and then as opposed to consolidating the thread by developing your suspicions on those two guys you called scum, you fuck off to a wagon with 0 votes on it:
On August 23 2014 07:27 VayneAuthority wrote:
##vote: Damdred
he drops off anytime anything game defining happens, knocking it in
..then you lightly push the issue and call it a day:
On August 24 2014 02:52 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 02:48 justanothertownie wrote:On August 24 2014 02:46 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 24 2014 02:44 justanothertownie wrote:
Since when do you care about the lynch day1, vayne? Do I have to troll every game? not really. I always try when im needed and this game is a mess. Ok, who do we lynch? well right now my vote is on damdred I think he is a solid lynch given his activity level and what he has said no far (nothing original) I'm willing to switch to yamato or hapa though.
On August 24 2014 03:00 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 02:55 Damdred wrote:On August 24 2014 02:52 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 24 2014 02:48 justanothertownie wrote:On August 24 2014 02:46 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 24 2014 02:44 justanothertownie wrote:
Since when do you care about the lynch day1, vayne? Do I have to troll every game? not really. I always try when im needed and this game is a mess. Ok, who do we lynch? well right now my vote is on damdred I think he is a solid lynch given his activity level and what he has said no far (nothing original) I'm willing to switch to yamato or hapa though. Do epople actually believe i haven't said anything original? or are they just trying to piss me off....This is the stupidest thing against me its like you aren't even reading the thread I am some one that actually DOES read filters (90% of what I do when im around) could you point me to what you think is an insightful contribution so far? I'm more seeing just a lot of agreeableness and general wish washyness. Im not rayn here and challenging you to a gauntlet.
Before anyone says "oh but Vayne is lurky all the time as town", that is 100% true. However he's mafia in this game due to the disconnect between how he's representing himself (helpful, thread needs him because it's a mess), to how he's actually playing (going along with thread sentiment, starting new wagon, not really pushing it).
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Actually yeah you're right on the above. However that doesn't really change the basic point of my case - I could as well have taken out the section on you sheeping thread sentiment and the basic point would have still stood.
When you represent yourself as helpful and attempting to fix an awful thread, you did the least productive thing possible -you went off to an irrelevant wagon and barely pushed it.
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On August 24 2014 05:52 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 05:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Actually yeah you're right on the above. However that doesn't really change the basic point of my case - I could as well have taken out the section on you sheeping thread sentiment and the basic point would have still stood.
When you represent yourself as helpful and attempting to fix an awful thread, you did the least productive thing possible -you went off to an irrelevant wagon and barely pushed it. thats great except you would somehow have to link that with being something strange and I have plenty of games in my library to show that I do not push lynches and I do not follow the majority. Hence why I only play plurality games and not majority lynch games.
I don't need meta to show that representing your play as something other than you're doing is scummy.
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As for JAT, I really haven't paid much attention to him. He asks a lot of questions, some of which seem very irrelevant and pedantic. I would have to look at his meta if I were to give an accurate read on him, but I really don't have the time for that right now.
So pretty much null. He's a player that can maintain interest/activity as mafia, and I don't consider anything he's done alignment indicative.
Anywho, I'm more concerned with lynching yamato at this point.
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On August 24 2014 05:56 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 05:54 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 05:52 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 24 2014 05:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Actually yeah you're right on the above. However that doesn't really change the basic point of my case - I could as well have taken out the section on you sheeping thread sentiment and the basic point would have still stood.
When you represent yourself as helpful and attempting to fix an awful thread, you did the least productive thing possible -you went off to an irrelevant wagon and barely pushed it. thats great except you would somehow have to link that with being something strange and I have plenty of games in my library to show that I do not push lynches and I do not follow the majority. Hence why I only play plurality games and not majority lynch games. I don't need meta to show that representing your play as something other than you're doing is scummy. so you are now basing your case on the semantics of what being "helpful" constitutes, which is a completely subjective term? I think I'm helping the thread, you don't. Guess what only my opinion matters when it comes to what you are trying to argue.
I consider going after Damdred in the timing and the way that you did objectively unhelpful. How you "subjectively" view that anyway else is beyond me.
Regardless, it's pointless for me to convince you that I should be suspicious of you.
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I gotta get off and get outside. I'll be back in an hour or two.
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On August 24 2014 06:04 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 05:58 Hapahauli wrote:
As for JAT, I really haven't paid much attention to him. He asks a lot of questions, some of which seem very irrelevant and pedantic. I would have to look at his meta if I were to give an accurate read on him, but I really don't have the time for that right now.
So pretty much null. He's a player that can maintain interest/activity as mafia, and I don't consider anything he's done alignment indicative.
Anywho, I'm more concerned with lynching yamato at this point. It is hard to believe that you are not townreading me at this point. How do you know that I am a player that can maintain interest/activity as mafia btw?
I remember seeing a game where you had 24 pages of filter as mafia.
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And it's questions like that which prevent me from reading you as town, because it's so damn pointless.
The information had been brought up by someone in the thread already (the 24 page game, even if I knew it existed before), and it's a question that I'm going to have no trouble answering regardless of my alignment. Nor is the answer really going to say anything about my alignment either.
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