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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 24 2014 09:41 GMT
#1878
I can't understand why yamato would only start to play starting from N1.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 24 2014 09:44 GMT
#1879
Anyways tomorrow we should probably lynch into rayn/VA/Damdred.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 24 2014 09:47 GMT
#1880
Hm what do you think of rayn these days yamato?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 24 2014 12:17 GMT
#1885
Yeah yamato is off limits for lynching.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 24 2014 13:11 GMT
#1887
I'll go through stuff later. A bit tired/busy atm and it's still night.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 24 2014 14:36 GMT
#1900
On August 24 2014 23:04 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 21:41 Damdred wrote:
Xata you listed three people to lynch. since you are trying to give cases this game why those three with scummu reasons/posts please

It isn't that complicated really.

These people are town: GB, Hapa, turtle
These are very likely town: yamato, xatalos
I think Kelsier is also town.

Leaves us with a pool of: damdred, WoS, Vayne, Rayn, Onegu which includes at least 2 scum and maybe a SK for the lynch day2.


This is almost correct except I'd put WOS in the town category too. At least I wouldn't want to lynch him now, his thoughts resonated pretty much with mine during the last deadline. And not really Onegu either... Not as confident in him anymore, but I kind of liked his entrance on D1. Well, he didn't really do much after that.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 24 2014 16:54 GMT
#1916
Does scum KSC put scum Robik as his top townread though? Doesn't seem like a great plan for many reasons (no diplomatic benefits since they're both scum anyway, awkward if one of them flips scum, and overall just negative credibility without any gains such as splitting the town apart by creating opposing town circles).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 24 2014 17:48 GMT
#1923
I actually think it would be for the best to share your reads in-depth during the resolution period (1h before deadline) instead of sharing everything right now. It benefits scum/SK more so than town IMO.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 24 2014 17:54 GMT
#1926
Hmm. Well there's still 1h time then, but I guess everyone can't be around for that hour.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 24 2014 17:57 GMT
#1928
No I meant the resolution period lasts 1h so there's still time to talk about reads during that time - but if you can't be around then you should probably share your reads before that.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 24 2014 18:22 GMT
#1929
Resolution period starts in like 6 hours?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 24 2014 19:33 GMT
#1932
On August 25 2014 04:22 Damdred wrote:
Ill post this here for when xata feels like he can talk freely. Yamato brought up your read on robik. Why did you read him town and the read stay the same if not stronger as the day went on.... robik wasn't his normal self in the thread but you kept town reading him . why?


Not much point to delay this topic since Robik is dead anyway. This is the read I had on Robik before he died (haven't yet updated MafiaTools since then, will do it now):

IAmRobik 1 Casually townreading people etc. just feels a bit towny, probably - and casually claiming town + posting stuff... we'll see, been really AFK for long now

The points went like 1 (limiting his options by townreading people freely) -> 2 (claiming town felt like a thing that only town would naturally do and scum might execute as a meta strategy, but it was less likely) -> 1 (after being AFK for long and not doing anything for a while).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 24 2014 19:49 GMT
#1940
On August 25 2014 04:38 Damdred wrote:
Ok

you were really sure about yamato being scum spamming the thread with it basically. How much has it changed your read that is. Also with kel saying that he would of moved to yamato before the sudden robik votes why didn't you stick on your top scum read tell kel to switch and consolidate yamato would of still been lynched (Instead of moving to your soft town read in rob)


My notes on yamato77:

yamato77 3 said nothing noteworthy yet - well started making some jokey posts so town? very lurky though which is scummy for him - re-entered the thread with vengeance and has been very townish, I'd say even obvtown level pretty much - Hapa made some good points about him lacking confidence and going on lurking periods though - still (actively?) lurking and posting here and there... gave up exactly like in the PYP game ALERT ALERT - went on to vote & kill Robik though and started actually doing stuff so probably town after all

The points went something like this 0 -> 2 -> 0 -> 4 -> 2 -> 0 -> -4 -> 3. :D

I still wanted to lynch yamato before the deadline over Robik (granted I started to have slight doubts after yamato suddenly activated close to the deadline), but GB voted for me and said he would vote for me if Robik didn't go through, so I just voted for Robik and hoped for the best. It was a bit of a mess during those final minutes and I thought Robik hadn't really done anything to deserve me risking somehow getting lynched instead of yamato (although it was still possible that yamato could be lynched since Hapa & jat wanted to avoid getting me lynched).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 24 2014 20:14 GMT
#1943
On August 25 2014 05:05 Damdred wrote:
So explain to me these doubts you had about yamato approaching the deadline i don't see in your notes a real reason for the drastic swings or the doubts nearing deadline so explain that to me


I still really preferred to lynch yamato close to the deadline, but around the time yamato activated and started saying stuff like "you're too focused on your petty details to notice the real scum" I started thinking that he *might* be town after all (that sort of arrogance/confidence belongs to town yamato). But I also thought that it might have been some sort of a desperate plot so I stayed on yamato - Robik never overtook yamato's position as the better lynch, things just went so that I had a better chance of survival voting Robik, which felt more important than protecting someone who didn't even bother to play for a long time.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 24 2014 20:39 GMT
#1946
Think what you will...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 24 2014 20:57 GMT
#1948
It was chaotic and there was little time. Perhaps I could have gotten yamato lynched, perhaps not. Doesn't your argument just make me more town though? If you're so sure my vote was the decisive one to kill Robik, why in the world would I bus in that situation?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 24 2014 21:18 GMT
#1950
I'm not entirely sure I understand. I suppose your argument is that:

1) Hapa+jat wanted to save me and would have gotten yamato lynched instead of me if I didn't go for Robik too
2) That means I purposefully killed the Mafia Godfather (who wasn't under much of any suspicion before) when I had the option of still going for yamato to mislynch a townie instead
3) This was supposed to take some heat off me, but really it feels like the same people are still suspecting me and the same people are still townreading me

How does this make sense as scum Xatalos?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 24 2014 21:20 GMT
#1951
Well granted I bussed unnecessarily in my second last scumgame. The automatic conclusion shouldn't still be "clearly a grab for towncred!".
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 24 2014 21:21 GMT
#1952
Besides I swore to never bus so stupidly after that game. If I hadn't done that, we would have probably won the game.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 24 2014 22:31 GMT
#1966
KSC? Well I'll await your reasons.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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