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Now on the topic of finding mafia: is this a good idea or not?
On August 26 2014 03:45 Hapahauli wrote:
Anyway, as for Vayne, there's a pretty easy way to tell if he's town or mafia.
We have 2 masons and a Jailkeeper confirmed. Vayne is claiming JOAT. I think the likelyhood of there being another blue is pretty low. If another blue claims, Vayne is probably mafia.
Discuss.
If not, I see a lot of people suddenly calling Onegu mafia. Why is he anything but a coinflip?
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On August 26 2014 04:38 Damdred wrote:
Hap did you read the thread where everyone has said that?
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Also, I still think VA is our lynch today.
Everything he's done today:
- Sketchy Claim
- Sheep thread sentiment read-wise (Onegu is scum, I am SK).
This post in particular is pretty bad:
On August 26 2014 02:23 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 02:22 Xatalos wrote:
So I don't think anyone outside of VA/Onegu would be a good lynch today. Hapa is just too risky. Onegu is pretty much confirmed to be scum at this point, our issue today is finding the third one. hapa is most likely the SK given his play but you're right its not worth it to lynch him today. Just don't make the mistake of giving him a free pass again tomorrow and lynch onegu for sure.
I have no idea how anyone could view Onegu as confirmed scum, considering what's in Onegu's filter (or lack thereof). It's a read that screams "convenience" as opposed to genuinity, just like Vayne's claim.
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On August 26 2014 04:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
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And as far as lies claiming goes, no its not a good idea as we only have one more. Is there a reason we need a blue claim right now that you can see when we're likely lynching VA as is?
My perspective is that blues are pretty over-rated, and I wouldn't mind trading a blue at 1:1 for mafia. Also, some people seem to be for lynching the coinflip (Onegu) before Vayne, so yeah.
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Hm and everyone's gone now.
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Amazing that people care more about chasing around SK ghosts than finding mafia.
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On August 26 2014 05:30 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 04:48 Hapahauli wrote:Also, I still think VA is our lynch today. Everything he's done today: - Sketchy Claim
- Sheep thread sentiment read-wise (Onegu is scum, I am SK).
This post in particular is pretty bad: On August 26 2014 02:23 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 26 2014 02:22 Xatalos wrote:
So I don't think anyone outside of VA/Onegu would be a good lynch today. Hapa is just too risky. Onegu is pretty much confirmed to be scum at this point, our issue today is finding the third one. hapa is most likely the SK given his play but you're right its not worth it to lynch him today. Just don't make the mistake of giving him a free pass again tomorrow and lynch onegu for sure. I have no idea how anyone could view Onegu as confirmed scum, considering what's in Onegu's filter (or lack thereof). It's a read that screams "convenience" as opposed to genuinity, just like Vayne's claim. you forget that I have more info then everyone else since I know my role. He has to be scum from my point of view but you will find that out eventually.
How does he have to be scum? You didn't confirm anything about Damdred - you said it yourself. Hell what about Kelsier, Wave and Xatalos?
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On August 26 2014 05:35 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 05:32 Hapahauli wrote:On August 26 2014 05:30 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 26 2014 04:48 Hapahauli wrote:Also, I still think VA is our lynch today. Everything he's done today: - Sketchy Claim
- Sheep thread sentiment read-wise (Onegu is scum, I am SK).
This post in particular is pretty bad: On August 26 2014 02:23 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 26 2014 02:22 Xatalos wrote:
So I don't think anyone outside of VA/Onegu would be a good lynch today. Hapa is just too risky. Onegu is pretty much confirmed to be scum at this point, our issue today is finding the third one. hapa is most likely the SK given his play but you're right its not worth it to lynch him today. Just don't make the mistake of giving him a free pass again tomorrow and lynch onegu for sure. I have no idea how anyone could view Onegu as confirmed scum, considering what's in Onegu's filter (or lack thereof). It's a read that screams "convenience" as opposed to genuinity, just like Vayne's claim. you forget that I have more info then everyone else since I know my role. He has to be scum from my point of view but you will find that out eventually. How does he have to be scum? You didn't confirm anything about Damdred - you said it yourself. Hell what about Kelsier, Wave and Xatalos? Did you forget how robik was lynched? that pretty much absolves xatalos and wave as mafia. the first for voting him and the latter for adamantly refusing to switch which would be idiotic play as mafia there. Damdred is still up for being mafia but cant be SK, not worth lynching today.
As I pointed out before, Xatalos was in a situation where he was forced to vote literally anyone but himself (him being the alternative wagon). I read him town from behavior and from the general "feel" of the lynch (likely that two townies were on the block), but that doesn't mean he "confirmed" in the same way that others are.
RE: Wave - there's no reason for mafia not to object to the lynch. In one of my first games (Newbie 23), we ended up last-minute lynching the Godfather, and the only active scum at the deadline was objecting to the lynch. There's no reason why mafia can't do that.
If you want to read them as town for other reasons, I'm all ears. But you're making these sweeping conclusions about the lynch that just aren't correct.
I admit that I forgot about Kelsier but I think he has been pretty town the entire game, wouldnt lynch him either. who does that leave exactly? right.
So who is the 3rd mafia then? You've basically confirmed everyone but Onegu, which means that you're terribly wrong about at least one person.
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On August 26 2014 11:31 yamato77 wrote:
I love how damdred and wave were Hapa's top scumreads in the night and now they are top town with me to everyone else.
0% chance Hapa is suddenly this bad of a player just because of a break.
Also 0% chance we lynch VA today.
Since when are they my top town reads?
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Uh oh, I seem to be dead.
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Or perhaps not.
I don't know why we aren't lynching VA. It's pretty clear that he's mafia:
On August 26 2014 13:19 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 13:10 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 13:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
I mean I gave my reasoning for why I used my powers how I did, not sure what else I can do on that front.Misplaying my role in your eyes doesnt really have anything to do with making me scummy, or we would lynch oatsmaster every game. It's actually the main reason. And cl aiming now nullifies all your other really important skills. Why doing that? i dont get lynched often so I panic at the sight of slightly being lynched http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/415754-i-swear-this-is-normal-mini-mafiathis game is a good example. im the cop here and everyone starts piling on me so I claim cop very early so we have time to figure out the correct lynch.
Look at the game he linked. That is an accurate description of his town cop claim in that game - it was an emotional panic claim.
Look at this game. Is VA "panicked" like he says? Lol no. He's calm, cool, and collected. Showing very little emotion.
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Also, Damdred is mafia #2.
He's the only guy out of all of you who doesn't seem to understand the inherent riskiness of the "putting all your eggs into lynching the SK" basket.
Mafia want to lynch the SK, not other mafia. It is a key objective of mafia to lynch the SK. Look through his play today and it'll be incredibly obvious.
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If for whatever reason that either of them aren't mafia, lynch Onegu and you should win.
VA/Damdred/Onegu in that order.
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Lastly I will explain why other people are town.
Wave's town, because his suspions are pretty fluid. He's open minded, and the paranoia from his posts are very clear. This is very hard to fake as mafia.
KSC is town because of his genuine frustration in dealing with turtlevine/GB. He also has a very methodical/try-hard thoguht process that is consistent throughout the game.
Xatalos is town because of how the lynch went down on Day 1. It was between Yamato and Xatalos before the swap. THere's 0 chance that it was a 1 town 1 mafia distribution because of how widely spread the votes were. IF scum were Xatalos, there would have been far more votes on Yamato.
I don't have an SK read. My gut feeling is it's Xata, but I don't have enough information to make a decision.
But it's not me you retards.
Anyway, use what you can.
VA/Damdred/Onegu in that order. That should be all the mafia.
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On August 27 2014 09:38 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 09:37 Hapahauli wrote:
If for whatever reason that either of them aren't mafia, lynch Onegu and you should win.
VA/Damdred/Onegu in that order. Are you claiming SK? It feels like you're talking from SK perspective kind of.
Not SK. Just not keen on yelling at all of you not to lynch me. You all are confirmation biased enough, so I'm not going to bother.
Town's going to win this regardless if you mislynch me or not.
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Remember boys,
VA/Damdred/Onegu in that order.
Switch VA/Damdred if you'd like. Doesn't matter.
Hapa-out
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On August 27 2014 09:48 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 09:47 Damdred wrote:
Actually yes, there's still time to sway the thread and all hapa does is give a generic list to pook towny. Just i wish hap would try harder as town and dodged everything earlier wouldn't a townie at least answer why he pushed scum read 3 instead of 1 or 2 at tge time?
He doesn't look town to me at all just gives up I bet he completely lost interest in the game considering the play level here.
Nah, I sorta lost interest because I'm not town =/
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On August 27 2014 09:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
I FUCKING KNEW IT
HAHAHAHA
SK?
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fwiw, I didn't believe Rayn's cop claim
I shot him cause I felt bad =(
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On August 27 2014 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 09:51 GlowingBear wrote:
HAHAHAHAHA
I bet he is town and is just fucking with us Hapa wouldn't do that...would you? I FUCKING HATE WHEN TOWNIES DO THAT
If this is the sort of argument that appeals to you, perhaps you can leave me alive one moar night :3
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