Neat & Tidy Mini Mafia

On August 11 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Hopefully other people in the game will chine in. My only concern is that if VE and i are both town it gives mafia an easy d1 mislynch. Did anyone else find it weird that VE only voted on my after Kush?

On August 12 2014 17:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Onegu could be also be scum. He should already have given a read on me as town.

On August 12 2014 17:38 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:

Why should he have already given a read on you as town and why does him not doing that make him scum?

On August 12 2014 06:46 batsnacks wrote:
Insanely busy week for me with kids going back to school the 19th. I'll have time to read the thread and post once I'm off work in about 3 hours. In the mean time someone could help me out and say who I should be sheeping.

On August 12 2014 17:57 HaruRH wrote:


I'm back for 5 minutes and I hope someone realised this is a bull reason to vote for me.

Anyway, I'll be officially back in 1 hour +

On August 11 2014 21:53 HaruRH wrote:
Oh no my bear went to quit this game for the newbie game. Now I am left defenseless against the onslaught of treachery. Koshi, i command you to save me

On August 12 2014 03:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
So okay. These are the people I'd lynch into today:

MysteryMeat1, Onegu, KingofCats, batsnacks

I feel like the case on MM is the strongest, so that's where my vote is. But I feel like I'm going to have to move it because people are squeamish about lynching him based on his history of being D1 mislynched, so I'm going to look into alternatives.

On August 12 2014 18:27 Koshi wrote:

Is this townie or scummy?

On August 11 2014 23:47 onevone wrote:


Why should my vote not be on MysteryMeat1? Should I rather not vote at all? I'll vote for someone else when I find someone more scummy. No point in not voting at all just because the read is weak.

I just said that the reasons in MM1's case are not scummy in themselves. Yet you continue to ask me why they are scummy. I only said that the timing + weak (not scummy) reasoning of the case didn't look good, making it look more like a panic reaction. It's plausible that the case itself is a genuine town thought process.

On August 12 2014 21:46 onevone wrote:
I'm sorry, but I heavily doubt that I would get lynched. I haven't been lynched as town in like 2 years, I think.

Onegu, could you explain your read on rayn in more detail?

On August 12 2014 23:13 HaruRH wrote:


Show me a game where I made sense d1 and youre allowed to lynch me right here right now.

On August 12 2014 23:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi guys. Can we lynch one of the hard lurkers now? I'm okay with batsnacks maybe. Or possibly Onegu. Haru just said I'm inconsistent and that can die in a fire. WHICH WAY IS THE WIND BLOWING GUYS?!?

On August 13 2014 00:24 Koshi wrote:
ahh rayn. Yeah, but it is not that alignment indicative.

All people who say they can read rayn base it on the fact that his arguments are better and of higher quality when he is town compared to when he is scum.

I share your restriction to call him town. The thing he did with putting Onegu on the spot to call him town is something Robik reads rayn scum for iirc.

But in the end I want to lynch into other people before rayn. rayn should be like auto D3 lynch.

On August 13 2014 00:36 kushm4sta wrote:
hey how about we don't talk about rayn's possible scummines right now, and we focus on actual d1 lynch targets.

On August 13 2014 00:41 kushm4sta wrote:


that happened before his actual content. Why wouldn't you use someone's content to try to read them?
also haru said a similarly scummy thing about sheeping. So why not haru?

On August 12 2014 07:46 Mages wrote:
Haha, 1v1, Glad I could do that : )

Three most, I stick by Cats & onegu as my original two as i had said i was on the fence with them and went with cats bc i have little more to go on, if i had to take a third, i guess Damdred too because i've modded games before for him on another site and his playstyle is currently very much of that which he adheres to when he's evil in my games. He's talking a lot, on my board he's far less talkative, and he hasn't really made any hard "This is what i want and this is why" accusations. I know you guys can't know that as you haven't seen that side of him, but that's what I believe. Course, this is only day one and i daren't accuse Damdred yet too because he could be good, just trying something new on this board. I know from him that last game he was the last mafia after like 2 others ragequit or something, and he was able to win - is his style in this one similar to that of the last one or different? if it's different from I'd wager that it MORE likely that he's on the side of good and that would deter my doubt in him.

But there they are, those are the three I'll stick by.

On August 13 2014 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Mages is more likely to be mafia.
Vote for Haru please if you are not atm.

On August 13 2014 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I know but WoS lied (yes he did and i noticed it) and i could not let that go.
I know i make mistakes, everyone does, i do a LOT of mistakes because i put a shitton of effort to any game i play.
But i am sure haru is mafia and when he flips mafia Mages is mafia too.

On August 14 2014 16:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Onegu are you talking to Mages about Damdred here in this post?

On August 14 2014 19:32 HaruRH wrote:


This is enough, but not as scummy as onegu.

1) literally no mention of mages
2) the only 'mention' was a bullshit read that was proven false (his read was that mages seemed like a newbie while evidence suggests mages played for 15 fking years)
3) defended mages when mm1 was pushing mages
4) did not change vote for confirmed scum (this is debatable since he might not be around)
5) mages never pushed onegu either.

On August 15 2014 04:50 Koshi wrote:
About what are you talking Onegu?
You defended yourself.
and
You voted Batsnacks.

On August 13 2014 04:43 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Conclusions from all the questions i asked: I have none, i'm completely clueless. If i had the inclination to read more into players actions atm i'd probably find something but honestly at this exact point in time i couldn't care less about this game so that's not going to happen today. I also don't care who gets lynched today. It'll mean i have 1 less person to think about and if they flip red gg bunch of conf town and in the more likely event they flip green i'll be able to pick apart peoples reasons for voting them. If this post makes any of you want to vote for me i completely understand and i'm completely ok with it.

##Vote: TheKingOfTheCats

On August 15 2014 05:11 Koshi wrote:

What are you reading?

On August 15 2014 05:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
nvm
##Unvote:
##Vote: Onegu

On August 15 2014 05:19 Koshi wrote:

If he was scum. Why wouldn't he just vote HaruRH?

On August 15 2014 05:24 Koshi wrote:

But HaruRH wasn't lynched yet. I am not sure but I don't think HaruRH was on 7 votes. So he could just vote to help a lynch. There is nothing wrong with that in majority.

On August 15 2014 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why would your scumbro basically clear KoC when the other (possible - atm) wagon is Haru which i am pushing?
Onegu explain me this.

On August 15 2014 05:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No, Mages cleared KoC. I know how people play on another forums. They are dumb. KoC is clear.

On August 15 2014 05:40 Koshi wrote:

Because Mages started raging because he voted for KoC while he had KoC as town. Mages kinda slipped on KoC, just less likely he slips on a scumbuddy like that.

On August 15 2014 05:44 Sn0_Man wrote:
He actually voted KoC.

Then edited to an Unvote when he realized his fuck-up

Then Ragequit cuz he felt it was a slip and got warned for editing etc.

On August 15 2014 05:49 Koshi wrote:

Please be more active tomorrow. We need you to be awesome.

##unvote
##vote: batsnacks

On August 15 2014 17:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not really think anyone is mafia except Onegu.

I do not like Onegu's reasoning for NOT townreading KoC because that's the clearest thing on the earth. If there is mafia whose possibilities are (1) put their vote on a townie or (2) "clear" their scumbuddy by getting themselves lynched - every single person would take (1) anyday.

Now yes, Onegu said he hasn't read properly while this has been explained to him many times. Yes, he backed off. But it does not matter. Last time i was scum with Onegu i asked him if he needs help in catching up in scum QT (as he replaced in). He didn't want help, he made a case on a confirmed townie who looked maybe possibly scummy and it fucked both of us.

Yes i believe Onegu is mafia because he does not either read properly or think about what he reads from town perspective.

On August 15 2014 06:42 batsnacks wrote:


I'm happy for him.

On August 15 2014 23:38 Koshi wrote:

How the fuck are you going to vote for somebody on the Mages wagon? There is no case on MM1. He always plays like he plays atm. Look at Noir2.

He has an insanely daring opening conversation with Mages if both scum:


Then you got waffling city from Mages on the MM1 wagon. He is not trying to stop it at all.


This is terrible though, depends what Mages want to do here. I guess nullish?


All in all.


FUCKING TERRIBLE LYNCH

What about we lynch batsnacks or Onegu?

Who seem to be incapable to speak to each other.

On August 15 2014 23:41 Koshi wrote:

There are no interactions between you 2. You call him scum, but when you are both in the thread you ignore each other.

On August 15 2014 23:43 Sn0_Man wrote:

Don't forget there are only 2 scum left and both koshi and rayn hard-read kush as town from very early iirc.

Which would mean that they'd have to be hella wrong for kush to be scum also my (probably bad) kush heuristic is that his scum play involves hard bussing from day 1 which aint happened yet.

On August 15 2014 23:44 Koshi wrote:

I agree, my case on you is almost non existent.
It is just Mages calling you scum all the time. How come you never attacked Mages for that btw?

On August 17 2014 11:18 Koshi wrote:
Just lynch rayn, then I die, then we lynch Onegu, then scum might not nk or they have to nk VE, protection should be on HaruRH, then lynch VE or Snow.


I don't think Snow is scum. But Kush isn't for sure.

On August 17 2014 13:00 kushm4sta wrote:
k maybe onegu is scum rather than ve

On August 17 2014 13:23 HaruRH wrote:
VE is 100% scum. He tried to pull a 'no kill = confirm me as town' move. Even his beef with bat feels like an act. Like the mages-damdred interaction, except with more scum.

Even if ve is real medic, I feel better with him out of the picture than to worry about him being the real scum.

Also, he still dont believe in my 100% confirmed town status.

On August 17 2014 14:05 kushm4sta wrote:
@onegu true i haven't loooked into you. the thing that made me think you were possibly scum is you are calling VE confirmed medic..

It really doesn't matter to scum VE that there are 3 mislynches instead of 2, because if there wasn't a nokill, VE was going to be one of those 2 anyway.
exactly what haru just said. im just saying it again because i want to.

On August 18 2014 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Found mafia.
##vote: kushm4sta

On August 18 2014 04:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Onegu why? From top of your head.

On August 17 2014 13:18 Onegu wrote:



Why because I think your scum?

Basically I look at you hw3 game and compare, and you haven't done anything despite havering a 7 page filter.

You are basically forgettable this game besides your VE pushing.


Also what happened to your sn0 read?

On August 18 2014 08:03 Koshi wrote:
There is no way Kush is scum and
1) hold his shot
2) shoots me and then says VE is not the medic right after the night.




Ugh... Sadness. Vote rayn.

On August 18 2014 07:30 Sn0_Man wrote:
i keep getting u 2 mixed up idiots can one of u be terran/protoss ro some shit

On August 19 2014 01:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's another thing that makes me confirmed not scum - scum tried to counterclaim me right before they got lynched. LMAO! I was a hard-lurker at the time and he tried to counterclaim me on the block.

On August 19 2014 01:24 HaruRH wrote:
IN MY OPINION:

3 scenarios occured. Ill start with the most likely -> least likely.

1) scum wants ve to be a big question mark on lylo (next day), so they orchestrated a no shot and let ve assume he defended koshi. IMPLICATIONS: VE is medic.

2) ve actually saved koshi because scum dont want to kill me as a gambit, don't want to kill ve because he is up for lynch and thus went for koshi. IMPLICATIONS: VE is medic, koshi is town.

3) VE is scum and orchestrated this whole no shot fiasco so we will give him a townpass. IMPLICATIONS: VE is scum.

1) puts koshi back into the pool of scummers. 2) confirms both ve and koshi town. 3) confirms ve scum.
I would actually go with 1) becausw of how the thread developed and how I can see a mafia agenda from kush's scumread on ve earlier on. Fun fact: kush, when town, NEVERRR AGREES WITH ME. NEVERRRR.

On August 20 2014 10:28 HaruRH wrote:
I bet my fucking game its onegu.

##Vote: Onegu

On August 20 2014 15:38 Koshi wrote:
Meh, I wanted to lynch Onegu from D2. Like I said it should always been him d3 but I played terrible.

I am going to look at you VE. And I ask of rayn to do the same. Everybody gets looked at. Make cases on me if you like, I welcome them.

On August 20 2014 14:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like that whole paragraph was pleading to town to read his filter and realize he's town...except, he's talking specifically to rayn too in that paragraph because subconsciously as he was crafting it he wasn't accusing rayn of being mafia. Because he KNOWS rayn is town. Because he's the last mafia. Like, he just scumslipped.

It's game guys, Onegu is the last one.

On August 20 2014 14:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Koshi and Rayn

You're never lynching me because I'm a soft-confirmed medic. You're never lynching Haru because he's a mod-confirmed vig. You're lynching Onegu unless one of you can make a compelling case on the other.

Koshi, your case on rayn wasn't that good. You just quoted a bunch of his posts and said "Are there any reads in there?" That's cherry-picking and bullshit. I've thought rayn was town most of the game until yesterday when I emotionally OMGUSed onto him after you went on him. I think he's probably town, and I think that it's most likely that mafia shot you. I don't think you no-shoot and confirm me as town after calling me mafia all game. That doesn't make sense.

Rayn, I apologize for losing my shit earlier with you, but being ignored is frustrating to me and I feel like when you completely dismiss posts I make that shit is scummy to me. You say I've been useless. I haven't been useless. I HAVE been AFK for a period, and I can own that. But I've been in here trying to figure out the game when I could be. I still think that it's possible that I could be wrong about Onegu and you're mafia, but concede that I mostly only think so because you say I've been useless and I disagree. I'm a medic and you continually attempting to discredit me, falsely, serves a mafia agenda from my perspective. It's possible that you are town though and honestly just think I've been useless this game. Whatever. I think you're town right now and Onegu is the last mafia. If I'm wrong and it's you then I'll deal with that tomorrow.

Vote for Onegu and let's win.

On August 20 2014 16:57 Koshi wrote:

Onegu. the bolded looks pretty bad. I already said it before once. This smells like TMI.

On August 20 2014 17:13 Koshi wrote:

too much information. It looks like you put pressure on damdred because he defends an unflipped bats. Which doesn't make sense.

The word "protect" is so strange. It shows that you connect them.

On August 20 2014 17:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Onegu becomes active when he is under attack. He also busses.
He's also wrong, i am pretty bad at reading him. I have never ever found him scum on D1/D2. Or Onegu, do you mean the game where you endgamed me, yamato and Sn0? Did i find you scum there? Or the game where JAT shot you somewhere around D7? Did me and Koshi find you scum there? bullshit.

##vote: Onegu

On August 20 2014 17:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Onegu's case on me is "rayn did this then he did that - he is mafia". He does not even explain how does that make me mafia.

pure scumcase.

On August 18 2014 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Found mafia.
##vote: kushm4sta

On August 18 2014 04:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Onegu why? From top of your head.

On August 18 2014 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah i don't also think anyone else can possibly be mafia this game.
Like there is maybe 0,1% possibility that i msis something but anyone else just doesn't make sense as scum.
ggnore, we win.

On August 20 2014 18:51 Koshi wrote:

So you are not planning to look at VE? You are not planning to do any work? Meta? Filters? Multiple quotes? Mafia mindset? Townmindset?

On August 19 2014 01:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If by some miracle kush flips town i will hammer myself tomorrow so that each and every one of you can feel so fucking bad.

On August 20 2014 19:26 Koshi wrote:
rayn / Onegu show me why VE is not scum. Or is scum.
I need somebody to make something insanely pretty on VE.
I have another full day to think.
Proabably tomorrow I will use my time to reread VE games.

On August 23 2014 07:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Haru it's really really simple. I'm the medic and the mafia tried to counterclaim me while he was on the block on D2. You're the vigilante and killed a townie on N1. Unfortunate, but fortunate for us NOW because you are confirmed town as a result. The mafia can ONLY be Onegu. It's the only thing that makes any sense in any world. Yes it's possible that I held a shot as mafia to try and confirm my fake medic claim, but then you have to ask..why would I fake medic claim after there's already one confirmed town alive and ANOTHER confirmed power role dead? The answer is: I wouldn't. I was under no threat of lynch, I claimed my REAL role in a fit of rage when Rayn wasn't listening to me. That was MY bad, but again, good for us now because it makes FAR more sense from a townie perspective than it does from a mafia perspective. If I'm mafia, why do I claim there? All it does is make me look EVEN MORE suspicious right? As a townie I don't give a shit about that kind of thing, but as a mafia that is ALL I care about, so I just don't do it man.

You HAVE to vote Onegu here. Do it for the good of the town.

On August 23 2014 15:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
BTW, this is what I consider to be soft confirmed, in case there's any kind of issue with my use of the term:

Thread Reasons
- I claimed medic on D2, mafia attempted to counterclaim me on the block
- N2, no night-kill occurred.
- Outside of confirmed mafia, no counterclaims

Setup Reasons
- 3 mafia, 1 unlimited roleblocker
- 1-shot cop, 1-shot vig

I'd expect the above setup to be played PROFESSIONALLY. As in, the above setup is REALLY HARD for town. First of all, the RB is allowed to hit EVERY NIGHT as compared with town's 1-shot powers. Second of all, in most normal games the power roles are ABOUT EQUAL to the mafia number. NOT Mafia power roles, MAFIA NUMBER. Because in essence, all mafia are a power role (because they have all the information), when balancing games the STANDARD is to keep town power roles and mafia number EQUAL. So you'd expect at least one more power role RIGHT OFF THE TOP, but then, you also would expect a power role that isn't as inhibited as the other confirmed power roles. A NON-RESTRICTED MEDIC, for instance.

For these reasons, I consider myself to be soft-confirmed town. And because Haru is hard-confirmed town, I absolutely don't fault you for taking a stab at disproving my claim Onegu. But the facts are right there.

On August 23 2014 22:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Obviously you can't kill Haru because I was rock-solid saving him last night.