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Such feels Another town roll because why not [b]/towncircle | ||
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On August 04 2014 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: HaruRH took Robik's rightful spot, and that saddens me. I will not vote on this, but not use a veto either so it's up to Vivax. Pretty sure I didn't take up robik's spot at all Hf is just jealous he can't enter the /towncircle because he is out of pukes | ||
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On August 04 2014 08:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If you hadn't /in'd robik might've still been in this game as there'd be one slot short so iamp might have refused to sub him out. Really? But I was already on the player list when it was still quite empty... and I signed up before vivax too. | ||
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'Join me and we can rule the world' | ||
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On August 04 2014 08:58 Eden1892 wrote: but don't take it from me, here are some glowing reviews of my play That's why I joined the /towncircle , as I wont get pissed if I just buddy you straight up and avpid conflict with you | ||
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He prefers using current game information (long term) over meta reads (simplistic stuff). | ||
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His meta read could probably be thrown away after him not playing for months - I would certainly change a lot in 3 months. However, that 'stiffness' in his long ass posts can definitely be seen. So its a +1 -1=0. | ||
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On August 04 2014 09:31 goodkarma wrote: You saying that throwing away meta makes his vote post null? So the 'stiffness' means nothing to you? I prefer not factoring meta reads mostly, since it is probably useless after a few months (this is mostly in response to hf's meta read on wos) Yes, there is stiffness. Thats a -1 to townrating. But I would like to wait for more content before I do reads. | ||
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On August 04 2014 09:46 Holyflare wrote: This post does not make any sense whatsoever? If the meta read can be thrown away then it doesn't count at all. Then you agree about him being stiff but end up at null? If he hasn't played for 3 months why is he disappointed about rolling town then? Should be a good thing after a break. Why am I trying to defend this wos guy when I don't even remember where I saw him? Yea, you might be right. I certainly won't be happy rolling scum on my first game after 3 months. | ||
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On August 04 2014 09:51 Holyflare wrote: I can't get over how weird that haru post is actually. It's very mafiaish. The first sentence Is very generalised and doesn't address any of the point that i made at all. Wave HASN'T done it ever, it's not like it's a way to play mafia he's changed up it's a specific thing he hasn't done as town in the past like 10 games and he has done it as scum. How does 3 months = big change effect anything to do with anything? If wave hasn't played for 3 months what changes that this meta read would be affected by? Why would he suddenly be sad to roll town after 3 months and i just understand how this specific thing could even change. You're assuming I know wos, which I can tell you I know jackshit about. I also haven't read his past games. | ||
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On August 04 2014 09:57 Holyflare wrote: You don't need to know wave, I just want to know why you think that this specific thing would have changed within a 3 month break if I explained that he hasn't done it in town games but has as mafia. Because after 3 months of break, I'll post stiffly too With an awkward entrance like 'Hi guys I'm back and I'm happy to be back. Good to see all of you agaon!' Etcetc. But I won't write about being unhappy rolling town, since I'll be happy rolling town | ||
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I'm willing to put my head on the table that there's a scum amongst hf/pooft/gk who are trying so hard to gain free towncreds ™ issued only by the harumint co. | ||
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On August 04 2014 12:35 Tehpoofter wrote: I'll never bang you if you talk to me like that... I prefer dirty talk but thats too dirty. You playing hard to get? | ||
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On August 04 2014 12:58 goodkarma wrote: Last I checked this is the normalest of normal games. Why would scum have to play anything other than "standard?" Idk, if I was scum I would definitely sit back and think of how to play this game. So I would wanna check how these people who never posted yet on how they open up. Too stiff = skummer. | ||
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On August 04 2014 13:08 goodkarma wrote: So has anyone in the thread met this criterion of yours yet? Didn't you say Wave was stiff??? Assuming you weren't just pulling names out of a hat, is there a particular reason for listing these three? You got a OMGUS they're attacking me therefore they're scum kinda thing going, or is there more to it than that? Care to elaborate? Note: I have literally 0 experience with purely normal games, so I don't know what to expect other than scum playing out of their minds. Which is what I'll focus on d1. Yes, that is why I brought out the stiff post argument. I want to see if this trend continues since it matches up with the 'scum playing out of their mind' read I have. Finding and noting the top towns currently also helps me formulate how scum could possibly act. It's better (in my opinion) to hide as top towns, so I won't be surprised if any of these 3 who are leading discussion/looking towny now would be scum. | ||
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On August 04 2014 13:40 goodkarma wrote: So the people you believe are looking towny are scum? Does this mean the afk scummy lurkers are all town??? You're still not answering my question. With all your ideas of how to find scum, you must have a prime suspect of some kind in mind? Someone you're just dying to learn more about to assert with certainty if he/she's truly scum? Lack of experience is no excuse. It's not like themed games (excluding the caller ones) are so massively different that your experience there can't be applied here. On top of that, you've been in normal games. So why are you using this excuse in the first place? You still sound angsty. What? I said, I'm waiting to see if the lurkers are posting stiffly so that I can group them up with wave. No. 1 scum in 3 people = all others are town? How did you even come to this conclusion? I still don't have a prime suspect. You probably have not played with me before but I don't do reads d1 (at least not the first half) until everyone turns up and I get to inspect and see how they are linked. Call it bad or w/e, this is how I roll. Lack of experience isn't an excuse, but expectations will be my worry. I am expecting 1 out of 3 of these boogers to be skum and the remaining few skums to be in the rest. | ||
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On August 04 2014 14:04 goodkarma wrote: So what you mean to say is you think most of your "towny-looking" people reads are town? Makes more sense than what you said before, though it's still a bit much for me to wrap my head around. Can you explain to me why you'd say you'd never been in normal games when I see World Cup Mini and at least one newbie game is in your played games list? Because those games dont shout out 'WE HAS 0 POWERROLES LOLLOL' unlike this game, so I have special expectations. Yes, if 2/3 are town = majority are town, its correct. | ||
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On August 04 2014 14:09 gobbledydook wrote: Your logic baffles me. You're saying that because scum are so tryhard, they are more town than real town and so the towniest people are scum. You also allege that 'top towns should hide' which is astounding. The only power town has is their voice and vote, why would a *town* want to hide? What about this simpler, probably correct argument: 'hf/pooft/gk are town because they are actively leading discussion and finding out who is scum and who is town. Scum are among the lurkers who don't want to get noticed'. uh I meant scum are so tryhard, I would expect at least 1 of them to be hidden in the top town now so that you all would townread them. Just some skepticism from me. I think this is more correct: Hf/pooft/gk are probably town because they're leading discussion and finding out who is town and who is scum. Scum are also amongst the lurkers who don't want to get noticed. | ||
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On August 04 2014 18:12 kushm4sta wrote: I officially win the game if this list contains the scumteam: hf gg jat (marv) (tehpoofter) Whos gg? Gobble? | ||
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Because if you think I am, I will refuse to argue with you and let you ML me. I literally will. | ||
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Just in case you decided I was as stupid as what hf/wos painted me as Marv is salty he isn't part of /towncircle Corp, subsidary of clauf, LLC | ||
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On August 04 2014 08:18 Eden1892 wrote: I propose the following rule: If a majority of the members of the /towncircle agree to policy lynch someone, all members of the /towncircle must follow through on the policy lynch until the person who initially proposed it unvotes the target. ##Unvote ##Vote: Artanis | ||
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On August 04 2014 19:05 kushm4sta wrote: and why is hf looking town? Any argument you think he made that looked particularly townie? I would like to hear this too. I still believe theres a scum between hf/gk/pooft. | ||
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On August 04 2014 19:30 marvellosity wrote: Haru, why is Poofter in that random list of 3 when he just randomly came in, spouted some random stuff, and left again? What made you feel like he's the other 2? Why did Poofter make it in that list as opposed to anyone else? The 3 of them provided content for discussion. Pooft with his random reads, gk with his attacks and hf with his reads too. They steered the discussion into a serious one and like I said, I would not flinch if any of them 3 turned scum. | ||
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On August 04 2014 22:36 Holyflare wrote: do you disagree with my post then kush? he hasn't said anything specific about anyone all game and when he does talk about someone he doesn't mention WHAT they say at all Probably because phone posting is the hardest shit on earth | ||
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On August 04 2014 22:36 gobbledydook wrote: OK, I can accept that he's just mistaken. It's pretty bad logic though, the optimum mafia play is to play super townie anyway, so how does this game being vanilla make any difference? Are you sure you read my filter? The answer can be found there. | ||
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On August 04 2014 13:25 HaruRH wrote: Note: I have literally 0 experience with purely normal games, so I don't know what to expect other than scum playing out of their minds. Which is what I'll focus on d1. Yes, that is why I brought out the stiff post argument. I want to see if this trend continues since it matches up with the 'scum playing out of their mind' read I have. Finding and noting the top towns currently also helps me formulate how scum could possibly act. It's better (in my opinion) to hide as top towns, so I won't be surprised if any of these 3 who are leading discussion/looking towny now would be scum. Hmmm gobble An answer you're not satisfied with =/= no answer. I have never played a game requiring 4+ (this is alot for me) mislynches for scum to win. Therefore, I'll shift my focus to see if its possible that there is scum amongst the 3 people I have noticed. If everyone (like you) is townreading them, they're potentially going to go far. Its highly likely for scum to hide with them and ascend to later games off initial townreads. | ||
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On August 04 2014 22:55 marvellosity wrote: that's stupid though. any townie not playing as townie as possible in order to prevent themselves being a NK is both obnoxiously stupid and a complete asswipe. Yea, and thus all good townies will die in early days while scum celebrate the shitup of the thread. | ||
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On August 04 2014 23:26 marvellosity wrote: The best way to get a good looking thread is if all the townies look really town so it's easy to find the mafia... Problem is, what constitutes looking really townie? What heuristics do you use to judge? For example, the way you judge town is probably going to be different from pooft, who plays tons of video mafia, and different from me, who plays tons of game mafia (sc2/wc3). Also, what is really townie looking? To artanis, wos is his really townie guy despite many objections and scumreads on wos. Explain to me, marv. | ||
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On August 04 2014 23:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I actually kinda want to lynch Haru for that. If he really was scumhunting he'd have paid more attention and would've seen why I "super townread" WoS, but in the post he just made it's used more as a deflection. Coupled with how his reasoning has been very shallow, as hf mentioned it seems like he's not really interested in finding scum. I just want to ask marv what he is townreading people off. That's all. For scumhunting, wait for more posts from lurkers. This is how I roll. | ||
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On August 04 2014 23:37 justanothertownie wrote: Is this discussion supposed to lead somewhere? Wtf... Its just a random question im posting to marv. | ||
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On August 04 2014 20:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If nothing by chance he's likely to be right sometimes. This? Or else I'm blind. Show me the light. | ||
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On August 04 2014 23:48 justanothertownie wrote: I can see that, thanks. What are you trying to achieve here? What do we gain? You 2 aren't talking about actual things. Neither are we gaining anything from you asking me what my pointless question is trying to achieve Now tell me your scumreads. List them. I'll read them tomorrow when I wake up. | ||
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Btw, for the meta junkies I have a present for you all: + Show Spoiler + On June 28 2014 01:13 HaruRH wrote: <3 rainbows I do not normally do reads on d1 unless someone ultimately scummy pops out. On July 23 2014 18:42 HaruRH wrote: I have never felt townier. I actually tried to analyse someone with 2 useable posts. Effort. I would call myself a town for doing this. It is almost against my meta to post reads early on. Someone will eventually dig these out and attack me for actually posting reads, so i'm dumping these here now. Btw it took me easily 25 mins to attempt to put 2 quotes from other games here due to how atrocious phone posting is. If you want a read post with substantiation, you'll need to wait. | ||
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On August 05 2014 07:10 Eden1892 wrote: aite here's where i am not killing ever: Eden1892 not killing today: marvellosity, Holyflare, kushm4sta, gobbledydook don't want to kill today, but would: Tehpoofter, Vivax, HaruRH indifferent to killing today: goodkarma, WaveofShadow, Artanis, justanothertownie, ObiWanShinobi actively want to kill today: the blankness in the last category is bothering me and probably why i feel scatterbrained atm, i made this list for my benefit and yours, let's work something out there's five people in the "indifferent" category, someone help me pick one Ill do it for you Goodkarma: came out early with tons of aggression, never relented and disappeared conveniently. Wos: bad start with stiff post, continued posting awkwardly that seemed rehearsed. Artanis: using meta reads as a basis of his reads (I really dont agree with doing this). Justanothertownie: I don't really feel much from him except that I don't agree with his scumreads at all. Obiwan: being useless In this game much? I don't see him voting anything meaningful, or doing any moves that included thinking. Overall, obi> wos> gk> artanis> jat in terms of who to lynch. | ||
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On August 05 2014 07:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Who self-metas themselves as town? Is that even a towny thing to do? Wtf? Exactly. Because some kids can't read. Open your eyes and you will see the light, my boy! | ||
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On August 05 2014 08:09 Holyflare wrote: Someone read this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=HaruRH Save me from the tunnel plz because in the town games that I've read from haru when he scum hunts it includes quotes and posts and reasons and questions and he tries to find things, all I've seen from him now is generic lists and surface reading all over again and he just echos a lot of things already said Dude wtf you're still twisting my words I already said posting with quotes is paramount to suicide on mobile. Also, I did not spend 25 minutes finding those stuff. I spent less than 3, but the effort of trying to copy and paste the quote using mobile is like trying to swallow a sword Continue riding in the haru tunnel. Many had done so and collapsed in it. Known victims: rainbows, glowingbear | ||
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On August 05 2014 08:11 Holyflare wrote: he cares more about how he is appearing to others than he does scum hunting (spent 25 minutes digging out these quotes so ppl wont meta him (even though says he doesn't like meta and says he doesn't like artanis using it etc etc) instead of focusing on pointing out things from other ppl) Wtf still twisting my intent and words Look hf, precisely because I hate meta, that's why I don't want people like you to use it as an excuse to give an easy scumpass for something I'm forced to do. I'm stuck in a conumdrum where I have to post reads (promised it for gk) but you metafags will use my other games as an excuse to scumread my reads. So I'm getting these shit out of the way first. | ||
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On August 05 2014 08:18 Holyflare wrote: So what the fuck are you trying to prove here hf? That you're a donkey stuck in a tunnel? | ||
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you're driving too dangerously in haru tunnel If I gave 2 shits about how I looked in this game, I would have already been posting tons of weak ass reads that you want, so to appease your sadness of being unable to read morw surface level reads from me. Meta does work I admit, but I hate using it. So I don't need people to use meta as part of their argument against me. I can't fight that shit because they will twist it to their intent. Oh you know what I mean about the conumdrum. Don't act dumb. | ||
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On August 05 2014 08:28 Holyflare wrote: I don't want reads i simply want you to do what you've done in other games and point out posts you don't like and question them Then sit down and wait, d1 is still long. I don't like this post of yours, you want me to do these so I can pass your 'town' check, which is forced. | ||
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Reads: Townville Haru Hes the king of townville. Eden I just don't want to argue with him. Hf His pressure on me with those buttload of accusatiobs make me feel like he is actually scumhunting here. He is trying to solve the game. I won't lynch him today. kush His reads and answers, albeit full of logical loopholes from not reading properly, shows that he is scumhunting too. His recklessness in scumhunting without proper information doesn't feel like what scum would do, since scum would want the proper information out and would reread his arguments over and over in case of slips. Middle earth vivax He defended me against hf's tunnel. However, he isn't posting any conclusive reads till now (ot I'm blind OR it is too explicit). Waiting for his stuff. wos I don't know where to place him tbh. He is xhanging my opinions with every posts of his. Ironically, I feel that his scumread on me was peppered with scummy arguments. However, he promised reads. I won't take a stance on this wildcard until I see his conclusive reads that is outside of me (which me promised). Gk Goodkarma have been doing nothing that is conclusive, outside of calling me town and calling pooft scum. He have only been pressuring people this d1. I expect to see him step up. Marv I dont know how to read him. Scumville Gobble I didn't see him do crap with reads. All of them are wishy washy and inconclusive. No promises either. Pooft Throwing reads everywhere, 0 substantiation. Wolf. Obiwan Literally not committing to any scumreads. All his 'scumreads' are either wishy washy or they are just a throwaway read. Artanis Similar to gobble. This may be omgus but if you take away his 'haru scumread', he have an unreadable filter with nothing except 'this guy town' 'this post scum' etc. Also, no promised reads so I won't get to see him post actual content outside of his (desperate) read on me. | ||
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Jat I still don't see anything memorable from him. I even forgot him because of how dispensable he is this game. I'll stick him at the bottom of middle earth, but slowly slipping into scumville. | ||
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On August 05 2014 22:26 marvellosity wrote: can you provide specific examples of this? His scumread on me was retracted almost immediately when kush pointed out that he probably didn't read my filter properly. 'It's a good case, I had raised some of my objections about Haru before, but HF persuaded me that just because I don't agree with him doesn't mean he is scum. I still don't like any of his posts, the logic just isn't there. I could be persuaded to vote Haru.' He is also voting on lurkers. From artanis the non-contributer to pooft the lurking read thrower. Sooner or later when pooft comes on, he will give some lame reads to vote on obi. Then onto the next lurker. No legit proper scumread. | ||
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On August 05 2014 22:53 gobbledydook wrote: A case on HaruRH: Near the beginning, I had HaruRH as scum because of his terrible logic about mafia acting more towny as usual. Then HF said that I shouldn't be so quick to scumread someone just because I disagree with them and I accepted it. The logic was terrible but it looked like he was trying to make a legit point at least. Here he sheeps on Artanis. The post before the vote he says something really vague that isn't even necessarily correct. Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere. A while later, he posts this gem. Yep, not doing crap with reads, wishy washy and inconclusive, no promises given, throwing reads everywhere, 0 substantiation, not committing to any scumreads...guess who that is. I know, it's the person flinging shit at seven people aka HaruRH. LOL learn to read, gobble. I null read some of the people who had done the same, but the difference was that they promised to step it up later. While the scumreads I have now don't want to promise anything (worried about being committal?) I hope you can reread and give me a reason that makes me look mafia, or else this is omgus level 9000. | ||
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On August 05 2014 22:39 marvellosity wrote: tbh i could almost lynch Haru for this alone: he's basically scumreading someone on a self-description, it's ludicrous wrong. I'm both scumreading and null reading these people. However, I draw the line between 'promised reads' vs 'never posting reads', which pooft is already stating, gobble is already doing. Also, artanis' s sheepvote is unwarranted. This post ^ above is not saying anything conclusive. Yes, from now on, I'm going full throttle. | ||
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On August 05 2014 23:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Gobble I think your case is bad in that it doesn't explain why Haru is scum, at least the first part doesn't really matter to me. Scum is more likely to invent a bs reason to vote someone rather than just sheeping. I still think the strongest points are:
Wrong. Your arguments aren't correct too. 1) I did not ask how strong marv's townreads are. I am asking if his townreads will align with anyone, thus achieving his 'everyone playing so townie scum dies' part. 2) I promised list posts. I delivered. I won't bother with anymore of this weak argument. 3) No. Like I said (this will be the very last time im saying this), I don't scumread based on unsubstantiated reads. It is instead based on how much content they are willing to deliver through their different promises. A potential content giver who haven't give shit early d1 (this is expected) is null read by me. But not you guys who deny content from me. 4) seriously? | ||
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On August 05 2014 23:08 gobbledydook wrote: Adding to this, he seemed over-obsessed on game setup at the beginning. Usually it's the mafias who spend time talking about the game setup and its implications. Since game setup isn't all that important compared to making actual reads, this is scummy because it's a useful way to generate text without it actually being significant. This is still incorrect. Like what both me and kush have said, the differece in game type might have an effect on how scum plays. Normally I would be content with scumreads, but with this vanilla game, I have to consider the option that scums would 100% want to hide in top town over lurking. It is important. Not to you, but to me. Don't use your heuristics on me. | ||
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On August 05 2014 23:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: 1) You asked Marv what a strong townread was when this bore no relevance to the question. It was a deflection. 2) You said you don't give weak list posts as town, then you proceeded to give weak list posts. It's a contradiction. 3) Are you seriously saying you let promises influence your decision? Mafia are the king of promises. Townies just deliver when they have the information. 4) Yes. 1) how did you interpret 'Problem is, what constitutes looking really townie? What heuristics do you use to judge?' As what a strong townread was? Deflection from? It bore relevance to how I attempt to read marv. 2) yes and no. I said I dont give reads d1. I did not say I dont give weak list posts. Quote where I said it IN CONTEXT to the previous post I am replying to. 3) Yes. If you decide to give jackshit, you're trying to lurk. 4) no. | ||
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On August 05 2014 23:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Haru if you think scum would want to hide in top town why are all the people you suspect the people everyone suspects? So you're saying I must 100% throw them in scumreads? Not allowed to park them in null reads until I see anything fishy? | ||
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On August 05 2014 23:18 marvellosity wrote: but you don't as town and you did in your mafia game Hey guy I prepared a reply for you that hf criticised. Find it in my filter. | ||
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He defended me against hf's tunnel. However, he isn't posting any conclusive reads till now (ot I'm blind OR it is too explicit). Waiting for his stuff. wos I don't know where to place him tbh. He is xhanging my opinions with every posts of his. Ironically, I feel that his scumread on me was peppered with scummy arguments. However, he promised reads. I won't take a stance on this wildcard until I see his conclusive reads that is outside of me (which me promised). Gk Goodkarma have been doing nothing that is conclusive, outside of calling me town and calling pooft scum. He have only been pressuring people this d1. I expect to see him step up. Any of these null reads can AND will fall into scumread if they aren't going to step up similarly, scumreads can move up if they decide to post something meaningful. 2) gobble's reads, outside of his definite read on artanis early on, have been drifting too much for my liking. If you read his filter in between his artanis and scumread on me, everything is a null read. Furthermore, there was no indication of further content so I put him in scumtown first. | ||
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On August 05 2014 23:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: 1) It should be very obvious what he means with top town. The comment was completely irrelevant to the context, thus deflecting from the original topic. 2) See Marv 3) Promises are irrelevant to actually doing things. Also, my original point was that your reads are unsubstantiated. You haven't given a proper case with reasoning on why I'm scum other than a very vague "his filter is unreadable and he hasn't delivered content". I have given concrete reasons for why you're scum. 4) Yes. You have 5 (!!) scumreads and you have barely interacted with them, and then you still think there are scumreads in your null reads. How is anyone meant to take your reads seriously? 1) if it is so obvious, explain it to me. 2) see my reply to marv 3) promises create a situation where people actually do things. While the rest with no indication of any content will probably not post jackshit d1. I don't see how those are concrete if I can dispute them. No. 4) no. Like what eden said, half the town isn't scumhunting. Those that aren't will be in there. This shouldn't be surprising. I am having a hard time confirming anyone as town. | ||
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On August 05 2014 23:27 marvellosity wrote: But this is bullshit, gobbledy has been plenty decisive on various things. Artanis is mafia, you're his 2nd read, Poofter is mafia. Of course he's not going to give 100% reads on everybody. And the people he is scumreading are the people in your scumville. I just don't understand this at all. That is purely a coincidence. I did not take anyone's read on others into account. This is purely my own. 'I could be persuaded to vote Haru. Obi: Null read atm Artanis: I said before, I think he's come out with good discussion and so I unvoted him.' These shows me he is pretty null on them. 'But no, seriously, your contribution level is still zero.' This shows me that he is waiting for pooft to produce content. | ||
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On August 05 2014 23:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: 1) Townie looking: People posting looking townie because they're doing townie things like scumhunting and trying to solve the game. 2) Give some keywords at least to find it quicker. I have no idea what you mean. 3) You think anyone who doesn't promise content won't produce content? Are you like, being serious? I'm proving you wrong right now for one. Most people deliver content without promising it. The difference is: Person A promised content: if delivered, will be tbd. If not delivered, lying. Will probably be scumread. Person B did not promise content. If delivered/not delivered, no impact on scumread on him. You can prove me wrong, but can you prove that pooft/obi will? However, I can prove that wos/vivax must produce content in d1 or they will be scumread. | ||
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On August 05 2014 08:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Someone mentioned that WoS' entry looks forced/forged. I agree that it looks like he thought about it before posting but it feels like normal WoS to me, though I haven't played a scumgame with him it wouldn't surprise me if it came from town. Firstly, for someone who used meta reads on others early on, why do you leave a blank for scumreading wos? It is almost like you decided to not research into wos when earlier on, you mentioned that you did a ton of meta research. | ||
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On August 05 2014 08:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I actually kind of agree with this, meh. Secondly, why are you attempting to scumread me for posting list posts when you already knew I was going to do so? I don't back off promises. | ||
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On August 05 2014 21:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I suddenly got retarded seems to be accurate. The lack of motivation follows from said realization. My opinions pretty much follow popular opinion other than on myself. Vivax' interaction with me felt weird, just answering me when I asked a question and when I returned to the thread he just mentioned how I come back when summoned. I have no idea what his read on me is which is strange when I'm one of the biggest cases in the game. Poof's return to the thread and his reads make no sense to me. I also have no idea how he thinks of me and have no idea how he hasn't commented on that. Third, you explicitly mentioned how your opinions (at that time) followed popular opinion. Is that not something you considered when you raised the point that I was sheeping eden for no reason? | ||
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On August 05 2014 08:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm on it for one, and I have minor townreads on the other two. Haru, you've mentioned you favour Obi the most for a lynch today. Why have you not been pushing him or trying to interact with him? He's here and he's your biggest scumread yet you're not doing anything. I don't think that's a good tell for poof. I've seen him post in cell as scum and he was very carefree there too. I'm not sure what really sets him out as mafia. Your meta read on poofter is the weirdest thing ever. You meta read as null if he was carefree, but town if he spammed town today. How are these 2 mutually exclusive such that a non-carefree pooft would spam town over a carefree pooft, who wouldn't and thus fall into his supposed mafia meta, which you alteady said you don't know what sets him out as mafia? | ||
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On August 05 2014 09:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If Poof doesn't post that he's town at least 100 times today we should lynch him. Relevant quote | ||
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On August 05 2014 23:48 marvellosity wrote: I just think Haru's read on gobble is totally disingenuous. gobbledy is the opposite of waffly in almost his whole filter and Haru picks out one post where he says he's null on someone and retracts a scumread? Outside of this post he confidently declares Artanis mafia, same with Poofter, makes a case on Haru. gobbledy isn't the least bit indecisive and waffly. I don't understand the misrepresentation. I did mention that I focused on the part in between his scumread on artanis (page 1) and his scumread on me (page 2). | ||
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On August 06 2014 00:18 justanothertownie wrote: Did you ever give an answer as to why gobble is scum for having the same scumreads you have? This is such a glaring contradiction. Yes I did. I mentioned it was a coincidence for us to have the same scumreads. The method of getting these scumread was what I am critical about. The period of 'mehness' in between was also what I noticed the mostm | ||
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On August 05 2014 22:53 gobbledydook wrote: A case on HaruRH: Near the beginning, I had HaruRH as scum because of his terrible logic about mafia acting more towny as usual. Then HF said that I shouldn't be so quick to scumread someone just because I disagree with them and I accepted it. The logic was terrible but it looked like he was trying to make a legit point at least. Here he sheeps on Artanis. The post before the vote he says something really vague that isn't even necessarily correct. Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere. A while later, he posts this gem. Yep, not doing crap with reads, wishy washy and inconclusive, no promises given, throwing reads everywhere, 0 substantiation, not committing to any scumreads...guess who that is. I know, it's the person flinging shit at seven people aka HaruRH. I also realised that the points artanis brought out to defend himself can easily be used to defend me against gobble's scumread on me. | ||
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On August 06 2014 00:21 marvellosity wrote: also what was wrong with the method?? Didn't you notice his play is exactly like artanis in the middle? He was waiting for popular opinion before changing his reads accordingly, while probing about what this popular opinion would do against other's opinion on the same matter. I'm also glad that my list post brought about 6 pages worth of discussion. More stuff to filterdive. | ||
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On August 06 2014 00:26 justanothertownie wrote: This is what I dislike the most. You are calling him scum for scumreading your scumreads. Scumreadception. I dont like how he hopped from artanis to pooft the moment he saw stuff from artanis. Doesn't feel like a pressure vote either. More like moving away from the responsibility of actually having to converse with his own scumread. | ||
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On August 06 2014 00:27 marvellosity wrote: but it's the method, don't you see? No? Me neither. 'Yea artanis is scum' 'No artanis gave stuff, so he isnt scum anymore. Its.... poofter'. I dont like this transition. | ||
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On August 06 2014 00:30 marvellosity wrote: But it's precisely what you're advocating - if someone produces content then that's good, if they don;t produce concent then you are going to scumread them so it makes perfect sense when artanis produces content that gobbledy would think to unvote him, given his case on him to begin with was that he had a 3 page filter with no content........ ............ ................................................ nothing you say makes any sense at all, ever. ............... I'm blind. I did not see that until you pointed it out. .......................... Buuuuuut my point on artanis still stands. He have weird reads. 'Reason no.100 why haru dont do list posts early on because he usually make these lame ass mistakes that he only find out later or until someone shows it to him explicitly' | ||
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It is logical that gobble townread artanis, I admit. But the speed of it doesn't click. | ||
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On August 06 2014 00:34 marvellosity wrote: So are you retracting on gobbledy? Would you rather kill Scumtanis? Im retracting halfly on gobble due to how I still have beef with his eagerness to switch, like what vivax pointed out. Scumtanis still have weird meta reads that he isn't explaining. Mostly telling me why he thought that way, not telling me what was the purpose. | ||
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On August 06 2014 00:37 Vivax wrote: Haru u repeatin my posts, bad boy? ... I didnt see your posts lol. I was busy replying to marv. | ||
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On August 06 2014 00:38 marvellosity wrote: Except at first he wasn't happy with Artanis' posts: only later was he happier I can almost hear gobble whispering 'please post something useful artanis please post please please' 'YES YOU DID IT YOURE TOWN' | ||
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On August 06 2014 00:40 marvellosity wrote: no you can't you're literally just making that up to fit a narrative. ... AND NOW I CAN SCUMREAD POOFT!!!!' | ||
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On August 06 2014 00:42 marvellosity wrote: like i said, you're literally making shit up to fit your invented narrative. it's just complete trash. Waiting for artanis to post useful posts -> artanis does -> jumps to poofter, waiting for poofter to post useful posts And the jump was due to 2 medium sized stuff that didn't make me feel that artanis was doing anything extra useful or townie either. | ||
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On August 06 2014 19:48 Holyflare wrote: I'm almost sure he said he was sleeping 4 hours before that or something too so unless he got 4 hours sleep and conveniently woke up at deadline i think he's probably lying Hf you bad with numbers or something? You questioned me about my posting times last time in another game too. I forgotten which game. But this is the exact same scenario lol I hope 12am to 6am is really 4 hours! Would make my life easier. The deadline was conveniently at when I woke up for classes everyday. Not my fault nor was it planned. I was reading through the game, saw that I had 7 votes and was certainly about to die. So I just voted to anything to prevent another mislynch (at least not a d1, preferably at d2 like in order mafia so that I can brag I only get lynched d2 as town). Certainly didn't expect me to survive. Nor did I expect riot to release the worlds schedule and it fitted with our holidays. 4 days of worlds. Today is a good day. Catch me in my good mood, ask me anything. I saw the discussion about solving whether it was haruscum or gobblescum. Will input on that later. | ||
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On August 06 2014 19:52 Holyflare wrote: Especially now it's like 8pm his time surely? Gmt+8 Its 7pm now Classes from 8am to 6pm. GCE is horrible. | ||
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On August 06 2014 20:02 Holyflare wrote: Well whatever go catch up and post your thoughts so i can tunnel you some more Cant wait for holyflare to drive in my tunnel | ||
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On August 06 2014 05:11 Eden1892 wrote: Alright, I made my decision. I mean it this time, seriously for real. ##UNVOTE: gobbledydook ##VOTE: HaruRH Like I said earlier, go look at Haru's filter. His vote has been on Artanis forever, but he explicitly backed off of Artanis in favor of gobbledydook. Haru hasn't been pushing his lynch target much at all this game, no matter who it's been. He has no thread presence by choice, lots of posting but he's not going anywhere with it. Furthermore, he seemed far too resigned to being lynched compared to my read on his personality from our previous game together. Haru is a fighter, he's a prideful player - great traits to have IMO. He wouldn't go down so meekly if he were town. He would have raised holy hell at the fact that a wagon piled up on him as quickly as it did and he would have fought like hell to get out of it. I know he's not around now due to timezones, that's not on him, but he had plenty of time to push the lynch he wanted and he didn't, and he had plenty of time to fight his lynch and he didn't. Of the lynches that look viable at this point, this is easily the best. I wanted to address this yesterday, but I was so down and busy trying to prove artanis is scummy that I didn't bother to. Eden, last time I fought the lynch, you personally attacked me so hard I nearly wanted to quit the game. Only the parity cop claim changed your mind. I also don't want to appease you, I don't feel the need to. I just need to play a game where I am not typing in all caps to prove a point. I am a fighter yes, but I am no fighter in d1. D1 haru is crap. So crap that any reads I make d1 are usually scumread (read: detention mafia, newbie mafia lvi) and the only time I survived d1 posting a read and push was during the most recent mafia game. Oh yes, I'll burn up when I have a conclusive read but people choose to push me instead. ^ this objective cannot be met if I literally cannot make reads d1. | ||
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On August 05 2014 13:42 goodkarma wrote: Well at least you got the meaning of life part right. Was kinda hoping you'd have more to say about Wave seeing as how I was referring to his case. And also I find it odd that you don't seem to have much of a direction in mind as to where to spend your time in thread. Don't get me wrong I like the poofter vote but your posting shouldn't begin and end with one vote post. Btw I felt that the interaction of gk with gobble is weird. Gk is almost like asking gobble to produce content, but is happy with gobble's null answers, while isnt happy with poofter posting conclusive reads without much substantiation. Why? | ||
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On August 06 2014 20:29 HaruRH wrote: Btw I felt that the interaction of gk with gobble is weird. Gk is almost like asking gobble to produce content, but is happy with gobble's null answers, while isnt happy with poofter posting conclusive reads without much substantiation. Why? Was it that gk only wanted to see substantiation? But why? To help them have a more content based filter? I cannot understand gk's intentions here. Ill keep this in mind for now. | ||
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On August 06 2014 20:24 justanothertownie wrote: I have trouble buying this attitude as townHaru. Explain. | ||
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On August 06 2014 20:35 justanothertownie wrote: I just don't think you are the type of player who plays himself down as town after your performance in Order. I really don't. Except that I was d1 scumread in 5/6 of my games. Make it 6/7. | ||
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On August 06 2014 06:44 LoneMeow wrote: Counting of votes: Artanis[Xp] (1): gobbledydook (2): Vivax, Eden1892 (0): Vivax (2): Tehpoofter (0): ObiWanShinobi (0): HaruRH (7): WaveofShadow (0): marvellosity (0): Not voting (1): ObiWanShinobi With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is Tuesday, Aug 05 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). + Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] + deleted because its too big yo during this time, I jumped onto gobble, who was (in my opinion) gaining traction to be the next lynch. All it needed was a few more votes. On August 06 2014 07:55 iamperfection wrote: Counting of votes: Artanis[Xp] (0): gobbledydook (4): Vivax, Eden1892 (0): Vivax (5): Tehpoofter (0): ObiWanShinobi (0): HaruRH (4): WaveofShadow (0): marvellosity (0): Not voting (0): With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is Tuesday, Aug 05 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). + Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] + still too big. stop opening spoiler quotes you lashwhole At this point, Artanis and JAT followed marv to lynch vivax instead. They had already shown their intent to jump back to me if this fails. I have also joined in, making it 6 votes. On August 06 2014 07:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I feel like gd would better. I took a look at what kush was saying and saw merit to it and how GD operates as scum. I feel like this Haru lynch is just us lynching Haru for being Haru. I know he said some idiotic things but idk, it feels like he's playing his towngame like he always does. Obi have also shown that he doesn't want to vote me. So this following quote doesn't follow his ideals: On August 06 2014 07:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm not flipping. No more flipping for me. We need to pick between Haru/GD and I refuse to consider Vivax until after lynch. Seriously, bandwagon flips are 100% guaranteed to kill town so we need to stop this switch right goddamn now. On August 06 2014 12:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Marv was asking me to filter dive Vivax, and I was like, "nah, the lynch should be between these two people and Vivax isn't getting lynched today." And then he got lynched. Also, I offered some direction during lynch: Just because I had problems picking between the first two targets doesn't mean I didn't have direction. I just couldn't make up my mind, and then town went and just fucking flipped because they thought Vivax was being an asshole. Neither does this from obi follows his original stance of only wanting to lynch into me/gobble. Also, it is apparent that they would come back to my wagon when they detect that the vivax wagon would fail. So why would obi, whose stance is to not vote me, decide to limit the wagon on me/gd, insisting on not changing wagons, then decide to change to vivax after all ( even though there was no risk of no-lynch since I am going to die anyway), then rage about town being bad for lynching vivax? On August 06 2014 13:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Because I was certain that a mass voteswitch would be unfeasible. Apparently it actually happened and he died. I warned everyone not to but I couldn't override anything. Blegh. This explanation does nothing. | ||
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On August 06 2014 13:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Marv is basically 'we' and should be considered 'we' because everyone followed him because fuck it why not. Also, if you honestly believe I orchestrated a mass voteswitch to Vivax at the last second, despite the fact that I was telling everyone not to, then lol. I seriously wish I was capable of that as mafia. Is obi using the fact that he didn't like the lynch as an excuse to forgo all his responsibility for being the most hesitant player to switch? | ||
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On August 06 2014 20:58 Eden1892 wrote: Haru, I know the main reason you had such a visceral reaction to my push on you last time we crossed swords was because I made it personal, but I got the impression well before I ever did that that you were a fairly prideful player. That's a good thing in my book, people who take pride in their performance and their work tend to bust their asses to try to win and I love being around people who do that. There's just a fire missing in your play that was burning bright and hot last game. Anyone else that was in that game can probably back me up on it. You played pretty tough and were unafraid to challenge people on anything. Hell, our first interaction in that game, you called me out for trying to seed your ML after Slamroot. Never mind whether that was true or not; the point is that you were completely fearless in your assertions. In retrospect, it was pretty obvious that you were town, and I should have read it much earlier. Your play's just really different here. There's a meek deference when you're interacting with most people. You've been getting scumread by a lot of people, and while you are doing something to resist it, the fire's just not there like it was before. Something's just off. My first thought on it is that part of your passionate defenses of yourself when you're town come from the ironclad knowledge that you're town, and the added fervor that comes from knowing you're right; and thus that the fire's missing in your defense this time because you're mafia, you know you are, and you can't generate the same righteous indignation that you have when you're innocent and accused of being guilty. But that's not the only explanation that fits, and there are townsided explanations that fit. So, before I try to get you lynched, if there's a townsided explanation for this, please tell me what's up. You can say that you don't have to appease me and don't want to deal with it, and that's fine, but you know from our other game that I can get people to support a lynch I want, and I think you and I both would be better off just working with me on this question instead of trying to play hardball with this talk of appeasement. Okay? if you noticed, when we cross-swords, it was very deep into d1. (50 pages deep in fact) On July 12 2014 19:21 HaruRH wrote: WRONG WRONG WRONG Theres no counter wagon because NOBODY SET IT UP YET Its not too late to salvage the situation dude, if I was scum and slam is scum now, I can easily salvage this hole they jumped into easily Rather than thinking if we were bussing, think if slam is scum in the first place Glowingbear doesn't fit the bill at all. You're just looking for another town to steamroll through d2. So I understand from your intent that you want to -> lynch slam d1 into lynching us d2. Note that only scum would set up a d2 lynch before a d1. your actions have been recorded. This part was the start. I literally townread slamroot very hard, so your reads on how slamroot was mafia and how we were bussing him made me very pissed. If you tried to lynch kush along with me this game, I would definitely rage too btw. | ||
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On August 06 2014 23:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote: No, I don't get it. I had trouble voting because I wasn't sure if I wanted Haru or GD, but I wanted to keep everyone from doing a mass voteswitch and in the end I was forced to switch to someone I wasn't even considering. And you always have a problem with my day 1, so I don't put any stock into what you're saying about it. Point 1: You said I played like how I normally do as town. That means you townread me. That means you should be on GD. Point 2:You was never forced to switch. They were ready to lynch me again once the time is near and nobody switches. Your hesitation + now your complains of being forced to switch don't match. Point 3:There will not be a nolynch on d1 because they were ready to jump back to me fyi. | ||
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On August 06 2014 07:52 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, I am down but be ready to switch back if we don't get enough people. On August 06 2014 07:55 marvellosity wrote: swap back to haru in a few minutes if this isn't gonna happen. On August 06 2014 07:55 justanothertownie wrote: Just be ready to switch to Haru I will be too. So you were never forced. | ||
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On August 07 2014 00:07 kushm4sta wrote: "quit mafia forever if im wrong" convinced Kush, how about obi? | ||
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On August 07 2014 08:03 Holyflare wrote: Because i made the comment before and we had a whole talk how artanis did it pregame and if he was reading the thread to make the scum reads haru should have seen it and known what did artanis do pregame? | ||
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On August 07 2014 20:59 Eden1892 wrote: i'm clicking random pages to catch up on i still have a V. Bad Feeling about holyflare and want to kill him, because i still think my whole "i can't figure out who the fuck is scum so i'm probably being played by a godmode player" argument holds water and i'm positive marv is town. plus the mafia passed on shooting standard n1 kills for fuckin kush which means kush was obviously going balls-out this game on scum BUT there's another valid reason for not being able to figure a game out, and it's when scum aren't posting at all... this only happens when quite a few townies aren't being memorable and guess what? that's true this game too! in other words half of you are scum and i want to kill all of you CALLED IT REMEMBER MY '1 OF THE TOP TOWNIES ARE SCUM' ARGUMENT FUCK ALL THE PEOPLE WHO SCUMREAD ME FOR DOING IT, BUT NOW SCUMREAD HF | ||
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On August 07 2014 21:13 Holyflare wrote: Just because you said something generic doesn't vindicate that you're right. Especially not to this degree. That's fucking scummy no. That wasn't generic if people scurmead me for saying that I was sure 1/3 top 3 townies were scum. And now people turn around and scumread 1/3 of the top 3 townies. | ||
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On August 04 2014 14:13 HaruRH wrote: uh I meant scum are so tryhard, I would expect at least 1 of them to be hidden in the top town now so that you all would townread them. Just some skepticism from me. I think this is more correct: Hf/pooft/gk are probably town because they're leading discussion and finding out who is town and who is scum. Scum are also amongst the lurkers who don't want to get noticed. HF/pooft/gk were my initial 'top townies' because of how much they contributed on early d1. On August 04 2014 14:09 gobbledydook wrote: Your logic baffles me. You're saying that because scum are so tryhard, they are more town than real town and so the towniest people are scum. You also allege that 'top towns should hide' which is astounding. The only power town has is their voice and vote, why would a *town* want to hide? What about this simpler, probably correct argument: 'hf/pooft/gk are town because they are actively leading discussion and finding out who is scum and who is town. Scum are among the lurkers who don't want to get noticed'. Gobble effectively shot down my argument. On August 04 2014 14:04 goodkarma wrote: So what you mean to say is you think most of your "towny-looking" people reads are town? Makes more sense than what you said before, though it's still a bit much for me to wrap my head around. Can you explain to me why you'd say you'd never been in normal games when I see World Cup Mini and at least one newbie game is in your played games list? GK showed that he didn't really know what I meant, so hes forgiven. BUTTT looks like I overestimated the response to my 3town thingy. But gobble again. Ha. | ||
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On August 07 2014 13:59 gobbledydook wrote: I just read the holyflare/vivax fiasco that happened around deadline and the conclusion is WTF is going on. So here comes vivax, he's gone all day since at the beginning when haru was making that +1/-1 posts. So naturally he's still thinking of that, and then holyflare hard scumreads him for him attacking everyone on haru at that point but not actually commenting on the haru argument. From what I read vivax had already established his haru townread and since he thinks scum are mislynching him he is trying to find out who's scum in his enemies. For some god knows reason aka 'being a dick' he gets EOD wagoned, and then the recrimination flies everywhere, eden and kush who didn't join the EOD wagon incriminate him for instigating the lynch... This is a complete disaster. I don't know what to take from this. I don't even think all this wagon-starting and recrimination is indicative of alignment at all, there's way too much bad in there that anyone, town or mafia likewise, could pick holes in them. I don't know if HF is scum or town, he's posted lots of strong reads (but a scum HF is perfectly capable of doing that as well as town I assume), but he's also caused a huge ruckus over vivax (that could be scum muddying the waters or town just not wanting to admit he was wrong). Can someone guide me through that ten pages of shit? This post is the point I am making. He brushed my suspicion of you being scum aside, but he himself came up and suspect you. I just feel like my pride was hurt. | ||
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I read through the thread and couldn't decide on either obi or sheep marv on onegu. I guess I'll sheep marv for finally realising I'm town. | ||
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On August 06 2014 20:53 HaruRH wrote: Things got really interesting after I was at 7 votes: during this time, I jumped onto gobble, who was (in my opinion) gaining traction to be the next lynch. All it needed was a few more votes. At this point, Artanis and JAT followed marv to lynch vivax instead. They had already shown their intent to jump back to me if this fails. I have also joined in, making it 6 votes. Obi have also shown that he doesn't want to vote me. So this following quote doesn't follow his ideals: Neither does this from obi follows his original stance of only wanting to lynch into me/gobble. Also, it is apparent that they would come back to my wagon when they detect that the vivax wagon would fail. So why would obi, whose stance is to not vote me, decide to limit the wagon on me/gd, insisting on not changing wagons, then decide to change to vivax after all ( even though there was no risk of no-lynch since I am going to die anyway), then rage about town being bad for lynching vivax? This explanation does nothing. Obi still have not addressed this, nor a ton of stuff from others. he is still afking through the game. he still dont find anything wrong with doing these. | ||
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On August 09 2014 15:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Yeah, I know. I'm running out of ideas for lynch targets, so if you have any better ideas I'd be more than happy to hear them. This dude have been advocating a lynch on me ever since the game started. He's deeper into the tunnel than hf. | ||
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On August 10 2014 11:04 gobbledydook wrote: I think poofter's a great lynch, I don't recall him doing anything recently it's a marvel that he isn't already lynched. I know my filter's short but I don't like spam posting everything that comes up in my mind. I'm also not going to martyr like I did yesterday because we can't afford another mislynch. My proposed scumteam is poofter obi haru. Obi's been pretty devoid of content in this game, when I played him in Noir Mini, he was capable of producing good, detailed reads as town. So I think the fact that he hasn't posted anything that made me think 'hm thats good', points to him being scum. Poofter is a worse offender and I've already pointed out before how his play fits his mafia meta more than his town meta, see my filter for details. Haru has amazingly posted 1 page of non-committal stuff in three (!) days. He was posting a lot when he was up for lynch day 1, and since the pressure dissipated, he hasn't found a reason to keep posting, aka he's a mafia only posting because he has to. What the fuck. Gobble is either stupid or he did not open his eyes properly. 1) I like playing scum than playing town. 10000% more. Town is such a boring snoozefest. I like scum more. I wished I rilled scum instead of this boring vanilla town. 2) I did not have time this week because 1) my newbie game was about to end 2) its our national day so I don't see a reason to not go out and party. 3) there are way more people wwithless than 1 pages of filter. Find them and open your eyes So I challenge you now to create a case on me. Instead of trying to 'throw shit in my direction and see if it sticks' | ||
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On August 10 2014 13:30 WaveofShadow wrote: HF I would like an explanation at some point as to why anyone should be voting Poofter over Haru today, simply put. You have found both of them scummy, so ultimately this must mean you find Poofter scummier in some way. What makes this so? WTF I WANT AN EXPLANATION WHY I AM SCUM RIGHT NOW OR YOU KIDS HAVE 0 RIGHTS TO ASSOCIATE 'SCUM' WITH 'HARU' | ||
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On August 10 2014 11:04 gobbledydook wrote: I think poofter's a great lynch, I don't recall him doing anything recently it's a marvel that he isn't already lynched. I know my filter's short but I don't like spam posting everything that comes up in my mind. I'm also not going to martyr like I did yesterday because we can't afford another mislynch. My proposed scumteam is poofter obi haru. Obi's been pretty devoid of content in this game, when I played him in Noir Mini, he was capable of producing good, detailed reads as town. So I think the fact that he hasn't posted anything that made me think 'hm thats good', points to him being scum. Poofter is a worse offender and I've already pointed out before how his play fits his mafia meta more than his town meta, see my filter for details. Haru has amazingly posted 1 page of non-committal stuff in three (!) days. He was posting a lot when he was up for lynch day 1, and since the pressure dissipated, he hasn't found a reason to keep posting, aka he's a mafia only posting because he has to. Btw, gobble have not been mentioning me for the past 3 days. Suddenly, he scumread me for being not so active. This is REALLLLLY BAD (ALSO BAD REASONING), so either you're a donkey town or you're scum. I would lean with scum. Also I omgused because I'm pissed. ##Vote: gobble | ||
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On August 10 2014 15:15 gobbledydook wrote: you omgused because you're scum give it up hey, I thought we made it clear that you can't associate scum with haru until you post a case Not this case, dis is a briefcase or would I say, its like your 'case', its too brief | ||
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On August 10 2014 16:20 Eden1892 wrote: Zzzzzzzzžźż Haru why you mad tho. As a neutral observer it seems a little sudden? Not like FAKE sudden just "whoa what had happen" sudden Wave isn't lynch today Pent up anger from 3 whole days (3 game days, or 7 rl days) of people trying to throw shit my way to see if it sticks. And the same old crappy excuse used to put me in their list. | ||
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LETS START WITH GOBBLE On August 06 2014 16:35 gobbledydook wrote: From my point of view: I think there was never really enough traction on me to get me lynched, 1)especially since Haru looked scummier than I did. Also from my perspective 2)Haru is scum as I said, so therefore mafia needed an alternative target. I think marv (who I read town) derped when he started the wagon, but we know that the wagon wouldn't have left the station if not enough people were on board. Here's where the mafia come in, they push the wagon over the critical mass and it causes a massive wreck. I believe there's at least 1 mafia, probably 2 in the vivax train. My guess would be Haru and poofter, in that order of confidence. Excluding the things in his d1 filter, this 'read/explanation' thingy is a mess. 1) Is this TMI? He explicitly mentioned that I looked more scummy, not 'I am scum' or something definitive, which he did with his big ass weak ass case on me. So, are you already trying to distance yourself from hard pushing me? 2) This doesn't make a single bit of sense. mafia needed a new target, so when marv (who you townread) started the wagon and everyone hopped on board, there was scum there? Are you kidding me? So there is scum amongst the 8 people on board? Nice read there. 3)'I think there was never really enough traction on me to get me lynched' seems like you almost sighed a breath of relief there. If marv decided you need to die on d1, you would have been lynched. Period. On August 10 2014 11:04 gobbledydook wrote: I think poofter's a great lynch, I don't recall him doing anything recently it's a marvel that he isn't already lynched. I know my filter's short but I don't like spam posting everything that comes up in my mind. I'm also not going to martyr like I did yesterday because we can't afford another mislynch. My proposed scumteam is poofter obi haru. Obi's been pretty devoid of content in this game, when I played him in Noir Mini, he was capable of producing good, detailed reads as town. So I think the fact that he hasn't posted anything that made me think 'hm thats good', points to him being scum. Poofter is a worse offender and I've already pointed out before how his play fits his mafia meta more than his town meta, see my filter for details. 1)Haru has amazingly posted 1 page of non-committal stuff in three (!) days. He was posting a lot when he was up for lynch day 1, and since the pressure dissipated, he hasn't found a reason to keep posting, aka he's a mafia only posting because he has to. After 3 pages of nearly no reads (aside from his hardon for poofter and the sheep on onegu), this was the only 'read' he had. 1) I bet 1 page of non committal stuff is 300% better than 3 pages of non committal stuff. Outside of these 2 posts, there is really nothing of value in gobble's filter (except his hardon for poofter, which is none of my business) Remember this statement gobble wrote: I'm also not going to martyr like I did yesterday because we can't afford another mislynch. Read this shit in your mind and tell me what you think of it. | ||
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On August 10 2014 23:43 Holyflare wrote: Oh haru you have to answer why you disregard my meta on wave that wasn't really that old at the start of the game but then sheep marv on onegu no questions asked on 8 month old meta Well, if you wanna look at it that way, I have -disregarded meta case on GK -disregarded meta case on poofter -disregarded meta case from onegu to you -disregarded meta case from marv to onegu Also, that was so early in the beginning, when your argument is so easy to dispute. While their arguments are mostly based on post counts. (gk/poofter) while onegu/marv is their beef with one another, which I am too lazy to check out (also due to my rl stuff such as excessive partying since it is national day). | ||
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On August 10 2014 23:53 Holyflare wrote: So who do you think is the mafia team? Also, do you think your case on gobbledy can only come from mafia? None of the things you pointed out really look like they do at all? You kind of just call out posts he made and counter the argument he is making (such as 1 page of non committal stuff) but what's the scummy intent behind them? ^ like read what I wrote This is just a filter dive I am doing on gobble it all leads to the amazing conclusion where the 3 scummers are busted | ||
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On August 10 2014 23:59 Holyflare wrote: I'd really rather you just made cases on mafia. Especially since i think gobble is mafia and nothing you picked out of his filter are the reasons i am reading him that way. Which kind of implies your total disconnect from the game. Uh More like I read gobble that way. Because those are the things I note? 3 skum: 1 from the 3 initial, who tried to rule the earth (poofter) 2 from the 10 mortals, who tried to hide (gobble,obi/wave) One lynch to rule them all, One lynch to find them, One lynch to bring them all and in the darkness bind them In the Land of Mafia where the Scum lie. | ||
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On August 11 2014 01:33 Eden1892 wrote: Rofl Idk about Haru I played one game and he was more invested despite deliberately lurking / being scummy as a parity cop. No real priors I shouldn't give excuses, but this week was busy. I'm back to being a spammer. | ||
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On August 11 2014 01:31 justanothertownie wrote: But don't you remember how PURE the gobble wagon was?! Yea the gobble wagon was so PURE | ||
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On August 11 2014 02:21 Holyflare wrote: Did haru just make a non real case on gobble and leave?? No he was busy playing league | ||
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On August 11 2014 02:26 Holyflare wrote: Great. 24h day and you'd rather play league than do any mafia Oh boy oh boy so why don't you start discussion to stop me from being bored -> league? | ||
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On August 11 2014 02:28 Holyflare wrote: Because I've been doing that for 3 days straight and we're trying to figure out your alignment not the other way around?? Also the fact that you said you were going to do it and then didn't, +the spammy haru that hasn't turned up yet Well, you were trying to start a convo with someone who was checking his phone for 5 mins every few hours because of party so now is your real chance to start a convo. Post a question/something you want, and ill try my best to fulfil your task. Instant gratification. | ||
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On August 11 2014 02:43 WaveofShadow wrote: Haru what is scummy about that red sentence you outlined exactly? It's basically admitting that it was scummy to scream and shout and matyr, so he is going to not do it. Isn't that weird? It is weird to me though. Sets off a signal of mine. | ||
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On August 11 2014 02:46 justanothertownie wrote: Why don't YOU start discussion or at least show us some reasoning for your scumreads? You are the question mark here. Hmmmmm I think ill go with the reasoning route since there should be more to talk about Meanwhile, tell me why lynch gobble over pooft and vice versa. | ||
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Isn't it obvious? his filter is actually longer than mine (its 10 pages!) and he had amazingly gave 0 reads after day 1. or unless this counts as a read: On August 08 2014 04:13 Tehpoofter wrote: I can see that. I still think I'm right but I'm going to make reading his filter a priority at work to see how it hits me as a whole. LEts talk about goobly. How sick was his wagon yesterday (Vivax, kush, eden, me) like how pure is that? I'm (I think) your only question mark on there and you're just wrong on me. How hot is a goobly lynch? I agree its amazing we should all vote him! I will now. ##Vote Goobledydook Basically non-committal to anything at all, posted a lot but is still not memorable. Nothing interesting in his filter except tons of throwaway sentences. I don't know who else is more scummy than him d3. HOW PURE WAS THE GOBBLE WAGON? | ||
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One of those who tried to throw shit at me and see if it stuck. I know that his 'strong reads' were defended by someone d1, but after d1, gobble is only hard pushing pooft, who is pretty easy to lynch in my opinion. So, after being asked for his scumreads, he throws out 3 names: obi, pooft, me. His read on obi was mostly a meta case: 'Obi's been pretty devoid of content in this game, when I played him in Noir Mini, he was capable of producing good, detailed reads as town. So I think the fact that he hasn't posted anything that made me think 'hm thats good', points to him being scum.' Which just begs for obi to come and counter this bad argument. Next, his read on poofter and me was based on how we were non-committal (I had valid reasons so don't bring this shit up again). However, this time, his previous read on me was not used but he rather chose an easy route of explaining, by using how I was afk. Gobble is just trying to stay alive right now by giving tons of reads that can be changed. He can easily jump ship whenever he wants to, all his reads are 'not as convincing as the wagon', aka if a wagon comes up, he can easily jump aboard by giving a reason on how he thought the read was better than his. Also, he is trying to eat the low hanging fruit. I don't think town needs to do any of this, so I am writing him off as scum. | ||
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On August 11 2014 03:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Who is the 'high hanging fruit' that he's hold be going for? Ad again if poofter is so easy to lynch, why hasn't he been lynched so far, especially considering how hard H f pushed for him? And as far as people flinging shit at you, where do I fit in? pooft is easy to lynch, he is technically getting lynched now, yea? Not high hanging fruit, but he shouldn't be content with 'yea obi/pooft/haru the afkers are scum gg game over' you're a high class shit flinger | ||
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On August 11 2014 03:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright I follow that I don't follow the high class thing tho You're not flinging shit just because you're trying to escape playing the game unlike some low class shit flingers so technically you're middle class, but i put you as high class since i want you to feel better than gobble, who should be sorry for calling me scum 24/7 | ||
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Now we in lylo? Damn. Looks like I was wrong on pooft then. I would say hf have a decent chance to be scum now ttht I don't feel any town pull from him. Nothing screams 'sheep me you fools' | ||
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On August 12 2014 07:26 Eden1892 wrote: sorry you rolled scum with Holyflare bro, it must be fucking annoying to be soft-pushed by your ride-or-die homie all game Nah, me and holyflare are 2 different factions He is scum while I am a Parity Cop | ||
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On August 12 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote: Where did i ever say i wasn't posting because of phone posting? Eden said there's a discrepancy and i stated why. What a load of crap you're trying to push, especially now at lylo. You said your posting was terrible until now because you were phone posting. Meanwhile, you screamed at me d1 for posting badly when I had to explicitly mention how phone posting leads to bad posts. | ||
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On August 12 2014 07:46 Holyflare wrote: other than that haru guy who just jumps on whatever wagon possible when it's pushed Righto, example? D1: I hopped on vivax wagon to defend myself (so this isn't a wagon hop) D2: the onegu lynch was unanimous. You hopped on the wagon too. D3: I wanted gobble dead since d1, but pooft got lynched instead So where did you get the 'haru jumps on whatever wagon possible when it is pushed' nonsense from? | ||
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On August 05 2014 08:11 Holyflare wrote: he cares more about how he is appearing to others than he does scum hunting (spent 25 minutes digging out these quotes so ppl wont meta him (even though says he doesn't like meta and says he doesn't like artanis using it etc etc) instead of focusing on pointing out things from other ppl) On August 11 2014 20:30 Holyflare wrote: I've posted almost entirely on my phone this game hence the not over elaborate posts (you can tell for future reference if i start post with capital letters) You know these 2 quotes dont add up right | ||
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On August 12 2014 07:53 Holyflare wrote: and all my "excuses" would happen the same way if i was town because i was studying for law exams that were on during the game and i was throwing up because of food poisoning, it's literally in the mafia qt in all of those games http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/LTnJh3zRFZwp http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/7cg2eTRBib33c So did you type in the mafia qt now that you're posting on phone? | ||
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On August 12 2014 07:57 Holyflare wrote: 2 wagons yesterday were poofter and gobble who were both put forward as candidates to be lynched. You made a post on gobble that I questioned and said it wasn't a proper case and you said it wasn't a case it was just a filter dive. You then miraculously said it was a scum read and nothing in your filter dive was actually scummy so you hopped on that wagon pretty easily and afk'd for the remainder of the day. Your poofter read COMES FROM A DAY 1 BS READ of "yeh must be mafia in these 3 ppl producing content!" even though poofter didn't produce anything so that was a bull shit read posted from your ass and "covered" you in case you came back and people needed to switch. You've not scum read anyone for good reasons, you haven't done anything but complain and you have massive inconsistent decisions about when to follow meta in regards to onegu or not follow it when it comes to everyone else that was pushed on meta for no other reason than someone town reading you. I also honestly can't see why you'd compare me to you in regards to onegu because i didn't sheep the shitty meta case i actually investigated and posted reasons. ??? So did I sheep a wagon on pooft? NADA. Bringing up the point on pooft serves no reason other than to show how gobble should have died instead before you can rightfully say I sheeped. So where are the alleged complaints made by me? Yes I have massive indecisions about when to follow meta. So how is that making me scum? Well, because you could give bs, so I thought 'why the fuck not' on onegu SO WHERES THE SUBSTANTIATION BOY IF YOURE POSTING STUFF OUT OF YOUR ASS YOURE NOT SHOWING ME ANY POINTS | ||
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I have never lost a game where I was part of lylo. Never. (Excluding the only scum game because obviously I'm talking about town games here). This is where I throw all hardcore reads away and find the person slipping the most. Only 3 people are slipping alot right now. Gk, obi, eden. The 3 of you are slipping so hard it isn't even funny anymore. Obi shortsighted so hard. Gk is so excited to end the game already. Eden is being wishy washy now. | ||
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On August 12 2014 19:22 Eden1892 wrote: Ftr I still propose Haru as the lynch Just lol @ his "slipping" post you mean 'sleeping' post | ||
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On August 12 2014 21:55 Eden1892 wrote: OK so ever since Haru checked in with his "slipping" post he's made nine posts in a concurrent game. Aforesaid concurrent game is on d1 and he's made some posts trying to figure things out there. I invite everyone to check his filter from that game here and tell me if he looks even half as invested in this game, which is at LYLO, as that game, which is on d1. He's not at all. Only scum in this game have a good reason to prioritize another game that's on d1 over this game at LYLO since scum have 2 more days' insurance. Furthermore he's actually giving reads there after saying here he doesn't give reads d1. Sounds like an excuse not to give reads here to me Why you so sour I don't wanna talk in this game? I am sure we have a rule to separate games because this situation shouldn't happen. Please do not use concurrent games as a read. Just as a taste of why, I have tried a new method of trying to figure games out early, by writing them down and seeing connections using mindmaps. This method is helping my d1 gameplay as shown. | ||
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On August 12 2014 22:00 Eden1892 wrote: Noted, strike that from the record then. Rephrased: Haru why aren't you doing anything to solve the game at LYLO? This game is extremely hard for me. I don't really have a strong scumread for anyone here. This is very weird for me, where I usually tunnel so fucking hard onto someone and go YOLO on his face. I meant to do that on HF today, but he died instead and flipped town, so all my connection theories died along with his and I am left with nothing, back to square one. I still need to think. I am still town and lynching me on lylo is unforgiveable. I still need time to think. | ||
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I am going to toss all reads aside because I have a feeling I am wrong on most of them, after how my poofter read is done for. Firstly, On August 12 2014 09:29 goodkarma wrote: I'm sheeping HF's read. He's the dead townie, and sheeping dead townie was my plan. He did what I suggested, and I'm following my plan. From everything I've seen, he's a better player than you and the rest of the people here. He totally deserves to be sheeped. That you're still alive after being townread by many here is also more than a little strange. To be perfectly honest, minus this huge spurt of activity super-late into the game, I don't recall you saying anything meaningful. You've trolled for multiple pages early into the game, deliberabely spammed on numerous occasion and called yourself townie for doing it (showing awareness of the whole nonsensical "he posts a lot therefore he's town" meta people have been following here), and you really haven't tunneled people much. Like you've kinda just gone with the flow and let things happen. I clearly remember you telling me in chat when we hydra'ed you like to tunnel people. I haven't seen anything like this this game. You've been fairly lost much of the game, and I'm convinced that it's been deliberate. HF clearly had reasons for thinking you're scum if he dies and I agree. You don't just troll-post "kill Eden if I die" at the zero-minute mark before night ends. There was literally ZERO chance that scum had the option to act on that post, and as such HF in his last dying breath gave town a chance to actually push a proper scum lynch today. That chance is you, and I'm sticking with it. Everyone who's town should join it's our best bet. Goodkarma is still insisting on sheeping a dead townie after numerous discussions on how this is stupid and scum can just kill someone who is wrong and make everyone sheep the dead guy -> win. There is only 2 scenario that GK is in now: 1) He is just donkey town and haven't figured this game out 2) he is scum for trying to really follow this 'will' and make it seem legit. On August 12 2014 12:03 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't even need to. Guy has done absolutely dick all the entire game. I don't even remember what my case on him D1 said but I bet it still stands. Marv's townread of him was shit. He had ONE period where his posts looked super towny at some point yesterday, but then he fucked off and did nothing again. GK, you don't get off the hook here. First of all I know I told you to back down, but now that you are I've decided it looks shitty to me. Are you honestly telling me you didn't see that? Second of all, blatant buddying. Not in the mood to be buddied right now since I can't even trust Eden anymore. And I just remembered, what about JAT? What has that guy done the entire game? Too many shitty looking people. Even the ones who have decent reason to be town like GD. This post from WoS shows that he is trying to solve the game by trying to figure out the scum team. On August 12 2014 12:36 gobbledydook wrote: People I'm 100% sure town: Gobbledydook People I'm 99% sure town: Eden1892, WaveofShadow People I'm not that sure of: JAT Probably scum: Obi, Haru Scum, lynch this fuck now: goodkarma It's time to recall the lessons of Palmar: if you didn't notice him, he's probably scum. If you noticed him for something really bad, he's probably just a shitty town. At this point I cannot find a reason to believe Eden or WoS could be mafia. The level of their analysis and effort is not something that I think can be faked. I also *remember* what they said, wave made those 2 epic analysis posts on HF and haru, while eden is eden and he's been pushing reads all game. JAT is an enigma. He *could* be scum. He's on the townier side for me but it's worrying that without rereading his filter I can't actually remember what he had ever said. He might be a scum that's good at not being noticed. The remaining 3: I'm really sure of goodkarma. I can't remember at all what he said in the previous days but it certainly wasn't anything towny. Upon reread, things he did on day 1: Defend haru with some handwavey 'mafia generally don't rage hardcore when tunnelled' argument Ask people 'what is your read' Sheep onto poofter (We now know poofter is town), then only giving reasoning that's pretty much what everyone else said, after being pressured to give reasoning. Sheep onto vivax Look at the case on vivax: Something's just *wrong* with that post now that I look at it with the knowledge that vivax is town. The logic doesn't sit well with me. The case is literally 'vivax hasn't been tunnelling', which is another handwavey argument that ignores all the reasons why vivax might behave like he did. Day 2 is just him sheeping onegu but that's not alignment indicative, literally everyone sheeped onegu. Day 3 is him sheeping poofter and me. Poofter died. Night 3 he explains why everyone should sheep: has this guy done literally anything other than sheeping? I expect townies to be able to use their own brains. mafia on the other hand...nothing beats a good sheep. That way you can blame the shepherd when it inevitably mislynches town. gobble is also trying to solve this game properly. HOWEVER, I think it is very stupid to try and bring out a policy lynch during lylo (It's time to recall the lessons of Palmar: if you didn't notice him, he's probably scum. If you noticed him for something really bad, he's probably just a shitty town.) On August 12 2014 12:54 Eden1892 wrote: As you eloquently put it, gk, WRONG. I could've been better but I'm not useless and nowhere near Haru level. Not even Haru would agree with you. This dude is just being a belligerent dick at this point, further engagement is not worth the time. Yes, I wont agree with GK at all. You are surely more productive than me this game, I admit that. I also refuse to give any reasons for being so useless - blame it on me being shit town. On August 12 2014 12:56 gobbledydook wrote: It seems pretty right to me. Let's set the logic out: Definition: A sheep is a vote that is placed due to trusting someone else. (1) From 1) it follows that a sheep vote needs little explanation because the explanation is given by the trusted player. (2) Assumption: Votes should come with an explanation. (3) From (3) it follows that a non-sheep vote, due to not having an explanation from another source, requires its own explanation. (4) Assumption: Explanation requires a considerable amount of words. (5) From (2) (5) and (4) it follows that a sheep vote contains less text than a non sheep vote. (6) Fact: A post that contains more text takes more time to read. (7) Assumption: The longer it takes to read something, the more you remember that such text existed. (8) From (6), (7), (8) it follows that sheep votes are less noticeable than non-sheep votes. Is it just me or this analysis thing is wrong? You sheep when you BOTH think the player can be trusted AND when both your reads coincide, such that you can just follow his better read for a lynch. NOT just a blind vote because you think XXX is voting that person too. On August 12 2014 14:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't even care about all of your scumreads. I care about your scumread on me. You came to the decision that I would be your ride-or-die townread if I carried out my reread, but then immediately turned around and read me as scum because I wasn't trying hard enough. You don't have any actual reasons for the things that you're saying. The progression of your reads don't actually make sense, especially when you turn around and call your top town mafia for the exact reasons you were planning to read them as town. I kinda wanna know the answer to this too. | ||
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On August 12 2014 15:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I can see posting any big posts is enough to sway you into thinking someone is town. I'm just going to go back to not giving a fuck then. WHY IS OBI STILL REFUSING TO GIVE 3 NAMES FOR SCUMTEAM? On August 12 2014 15:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote: That's not how this game works. Honestly, you're so dumb. On August 12 2014 15:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I stand by the fact that you turned around and scumread me for next to no reason after you were so willing to declare that I was your ride-or-die townread. The fact that my scumread was wrong doesn't really make what you're doing any better. Yes, it is wrong, but obi isn't making anything right either by giving such bullshit reasons and giving 0 reads so far. | ||
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On August 12 2014 23:35 Eden1892 wrote: Haru how long are you going to be around for? I'm Adkins for 20mins or so, leaving work. The Obi "townread" thing is explained a couple pages back - read from p190 I think. If you don't find it by the time I return I'll dig it up. Tl;dr is I faked that to try to encourage him to fucking do something and he didn't do it so I retracted I have to sleep now or else I will be so sleep deprived tomorrow, I might miss the deadline and screw up my studies. | ||
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On August 13 2014 05:28 Eden1892 wrote: Back fellas. Sorry I disappeared without a peep, I hit my bed like a rock and crashed for a while. Almost fucked it up too since I forgot the alarm. Wave I get why you were hesitant on trusting people earlier, and sorry if I was pushin your buttons by continuing to bring it up, it's just that the townies DO have to find and trust each other since it's LYLO. Off the top of my head for Haru being scum: • Not playing the game at non-3p LYLO is a scum tell. In fact it's one of the few factors that distinguishes town from scum! At LYLO the game is drastically different due to a shift in town incentives: now the townies must be preoccupied with their own survival, as being mislynched = lose. The two major differences between town and scum is that scum can lynch anybody and win while town must hit specific people in sequence to win; and that scum have an extra day to play if they "lose" the first round of LYLO (or in this case two rounds). Both of these put all the pressure on town to figure it out and incentivize scum to wait and see where the winds blow. Therefore it is a scum tell and is a valid argument. • You can also basically PoE this game IMO. Wave you do believe Gobble is town right? If so then even just randomly Haru has 75% chance to be scum. In fact Wave as an aside what is your current scum team? • The unanimous vote on Haru isn't as scary as the one on Onegu d2 again because of incentives. Scum have strong incentive to bus a caught partner at LYLO because it doesn't directly hurt their position. With or without the partner they are equally close to winning: one ML away. Busing is the smartest move at LYLO when scum is caught. Of course this doesn't guarantee Haru is scum being bused but it does mean that the state of the wagon shouldn't be reason to reconsider. Are you being serious right now? I just woke up and am eating my cereals now and this just made me ppaue my eating and ask myself 'what does this even mean?' Isn't it obvious that obi is the scummiest of the scum? I had to even deliberately point it out and try to sjow it, but I had to go to sleep. There was only a 2 hour window where I could play serious mafia yesterday. This is still nonsense logic . incentives to bus? When everyone instantly jumped on me? How does that even work? Now eden I don't have a claim to save my ass unlike last time, but dont you feel this is exactly the same scenario as last time? An afk (on purpose/not on purpose) haru got unanimously voted on. | ||
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On August 12 2014 23:12 HaruRH wrote: WHY IS OBI STILL REFUSING TO GIVE 3 NAMES FOR SCUMTEAM? Yes, it is wrong, but obi isn't making anything right either by giving such bullshit reasons and giving 0 reads so far. HOW ISNT IT OBVIOUS OBI WAS HARPING ON THE STUPID FACT THAT EDEN TOWNREAD HIM BEFORE LYLO AND SCUMREAD HIM IN LYLO AND IS USING IT AS AN EXCUSE TO NOT DO ANYTHING LIKE LITERALLY HE DOES WAY MORE NOTHING THAT I EVER NOTHINGED IN THIS GAME AND HE IS GETTING AWAY WITH A FREE SCUM WIN BECAUSE HARU SUCKS AT MAFIA STOP HIM | ||
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On August 13 2014 06:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I didn't know posting dumb shit based on blatant falsehoods made you town. But this entire game is comprised of dumb shit, so what do I know. LOOK AT THIS AND TELL ME THAT YOURE GOING TO LYNCH ME OVER THIS AND LET MAFIA WIN COME ON SAY IT | ||
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On August 13 2014 06:38 HaruRH wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote:ObiWanShinobi | ||
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On August 13 2014 06:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Like if you honestly believe these are trustworthy votes then I don't know what to say. You were leaving your game up to chance anyway. Lynching into a pool of me/gk/jat/gobble only gives a 3/4 to 1/4 chance of hitting scum You weren't sure, which means you're keeping things open ended. You need a easy way to swap into any of them 3. Which you will quite your 'scumread'. NOBODY, I REPEAT, NOBODY DOES THIS ON LYLO. THERES 0 NEED FOR TOWN NOW TO BE ABLE TO VOTE ONTO ANY OF THEM 4. | ||
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On August 13 2014 07:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote: How on earth is this an acceptable answer? Why is it that me lynching into a pool of 4 where there are 3 scum in the game a bad thing? How does this justify a vote? So you refusing to read the next part? My hardon scumread on you comes from the fact that you're deliberately trying to set up a situation where you can switch into any of us 4 because 'I haven't fully townread/scumread them'. This is the scum motive you are accused of, not because you wanna lynch into 4 suspects with 3 scum around. | ||
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On August 13 2014 07:20 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm mostly paying attention to the Haru wagon because it formed more slowly (easier to determine if it's 'safe' to vote or not) but I suppose it can apply to the current one as well. Implicates Obi/GK and sort of GD, while the current wagon implicates JAT/GD/me. I think the more conclusive evidence is the Haru wagon for the above reason, but then that means Haru would have to be town for it to work. That heuristic is supposed to work regardless of alignment. If I am town: scum will be less likely to be 1/2 voter since that indicates confirmation and changing who you really want to vote all the time is not town indicative. 3/4 is the safest bet since you can be 'blend in' and switch anytime you want without looking like you are dead set on your scumreads. If I am scum: who the fuck votes 1/2 on their scummate and bus their scummate so quickly? 3/4 voter makes sense since ^ They can quickly switch anytime they want too. | ||
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On August 13 2014 07:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I said we had to lynch Haru because he wasn't voting, so even if he was town we wouldn't have enough votes to hit scum regardless. SO YOURE TOWNREADING ME, BUT YOU VOTED ME ANYWAY BECAUSE OF SOME SHITTY REASON LIKE THAT? 100000000% SCUM MOVE | ||
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On August 13 2014 07:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote: No, I thought you were scum. My reasoning was that even if you were town, that you were the best lynch regardless because we wouldn't be able to hit scum either way because you weren't voting. I honestly can't even tell anymore because I don't understand your logic about not wanting to lynch in a pool of 4 people I'm unsure about in a game with 3 scum. I can't tell who I think the scum is between you and GK anymore. confirmed scum for not even reading | ||
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On August 13 2014 07:02 HaruRH wrote: You were leaving your game up to chance anyway. Lynching into a pool of me/gk/jat/gobble only gives a 3/4 to 1/4 chance of hitting scum You weren't sure, which means you're keeping things open ended. You need a easy way to swap into any of them 3. Which you will quote your 'scumread'. NOBODY, I REPEAT, NOBODY DOES THIS ON LYLO. THERES 0 NEED FOR TOWN NOW TO BE ABLE TO VOTE ONTO ANY OF THEM 4. | ||
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Marv switched off me Eden let me get into his pocket for 3/4 of the game and decide to lynch obi instead | ||
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On August 13 2014 08:05 gobbledydook wrote: Nah, even if you died I think we had more chance of HuK winning Blizzcon 2014 than we getting both JAT and WoS. Yea, so I got lucky lol. My wacky new schedule isnt suited for mafia games. Also I think I'm playing like shit so I'll quit mafia games for 3 months or so after NTM | ||
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I am also sorry for trying to pocket eden whole game. | ||
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On August 13 2014 08:21 Damdred wrote: This was great to read honestly scum played great. JAT and wave good job and somehow haru got everyone to switch to obi scum team op I know which buttons of eden to press. | ||
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Its almost like a magic button that cant be used again. But oh well, not like im playing any more games | ||
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On August 13 2014 08:25 Eden1892 wrote: You're in one now ya ding-dong! And I guarantee it won't happen again Thats my last game yo I am officially calling quits on play mafia for now. See ya later eden (maybe another 3-5months?) | ||
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