World Heavyweight Championship mafia III

On August 04 2014 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
HaruRH took Robik's rightful spot, and that saddens me. I will not vote on this, but not use a veto either so it's up to Vivax.

On August 04 2014 08:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

If you hadn't /in'd robik might've still been in this game as there'd be one slot short so iamp might have refused to sub him out.

On August 04 2014 08:58 Eden1892 wrote:
but don't take it from me, here are some glowing reviews of my play

On August 04 2014 09:31 goodkarma wrote:



You saying that throwing away meta makes his vote post null? So the 'stiffness' means nothing to you?

On August 04 2014 09:46 Holyflare wrote:


This post does not make any sense whatsoever? If the meta read can be thrown away then it doesn't count at all. Then you agree about him being stiff but end up at null?

If he hasn't played for 3 months why is he disappointed about rolling town then? Should be a good thing after a break.

On August 04 2014 09:51 Holyflare wrote:
I can't get over how weird that haru post is actually. It's very mafiaish. The first sentence



Is very generalised and doesn't address any of the point that i made at all. Wave HASN'T done it ever, it's not like it's a way to play mafia he's changed up it's a specific thing he hasn't done as town in the past like 10 games and he has done it as scum. How does 3 months = big change effect anything to do with anything? If wave hasn't played for 3 months what changes that this meta read would be affected by? Why would he suddenly be sad to roll town after 3 months and i just understand how this specific thing could even change.

On August 04 2014 09:57 Holyflare wrote:
You don't need to know wave, I just want to know why you think that this specific thing would have changed within a 3 month break if I explained that he hasn't done it in town games but has as mafia.

On August 04 2014 12:35 Tehpoofter wrote:


I'll never bang you if you talk to me like that... I prefer dirty talk but thats too dirty.

On August 04 2014 12:58 goodkarma wrote:


Last I checked this is the normalest of normal games. Why would scum have to play anything other than "standard?"

On August 04 2014 13:08 goodkarma wrote:


So has anyone in the thread met this criterion of yours yet? Didn't you say Wave was stiff???



Assuming you weren't just pulling names out of a hat, is there a particular reason for listing these three? You got a OMGUS they're attacking me therefore they're scum kinda thing going, or is there more to it than that? Care to elaborate?

On August 04 2014 13:40 goodkarma wrote:


So the people you believe are looking towny are scum? Does this mean the afk scummy lurkers are all town???

You're still not answering my question. With all your ideas of how to find scum, you must have a prime suspect of some kind in mind? Someone you're just dying to learn more about to assert with certainty if he/she's truly scum?

Lack of experience is no excuse. It's not like themed games (excluding the caller ones) are so massively different that your experience there can't be applied here. On top of that, you've been in normal games. So why are you using this excuse in the first place?

On August 04 2014 14:04 goodkarma wrote:


So what you mean to say is you think most of your "towny-looking" people reads are town? Makes more sense than what you said before, though it's still a bit much for me to wrap my head around.

Can you explain to me why you'd say you'd never been in normal games when I see World Cup Mini and at least one newbie game is in your played games list?

On August 04 2014 14:09 gobbledydook wrote:



Your logic baffles me. You're saying that because scum are so tryhard, they are more town than real town and so the towniest people are scum. You also allege that 'top towns should hide' which is astounding. The only power town has is their voice and vote, why would a *town* want to hide?

What about this simpler, probably correct argument:

'hf/pooft/gk are town because they are actively leading discussion and finding out who is scum and who is town. Scum are among the lurkers who don't want to get noticed'.

On August 04 2014 18:12 kushm4sta wrote:
I officially win the game if this list contains the scumteam:
hf
gg
jat
(marv)
(tehpoofter)

On August 04 2014 18:48 Eden1892 wrote:

Wtf no
wher'd that come from

On August 04 2014 08:18 Eden1892 wrote:
I propose the following rule: If a majority of the members of the /towncircle agree to policy lynch someone, all members of the /towncircle must follow through on the policy lynch until the person who initially proposed it unvotes the target.

On August 04 2014 19:05 kushm4sta wrote:
and why is hf looking town? Any argument you think he made that looked particularly townie?

On August 04 2014 19:30 marvellosity wrote:
Haru, why is Poofter in that random list of 3 when he just randomly came in, spouted some random stuff, and left again? What made you feel like he's the other 2? Why did Poofter make it in that list as opposed to anyone else?

On August 04 2014 22:36 Holyflare wrote:
do you disagree with my post then kush? he hasn't said anything specific about anyone all game and when he does talk about someone he doesn't mention WHAT they say at all

On August 04 2014 22:36 gobbledydook wrote:


OK, I can accept that he's just mistaken. It's pretty bad logic though, the optimum mafia play is to play super townie anyway, so how does this game being vanilla make any difference?

On August 04 2014 13:25 HaruRH wrote:


Note: I have literally 0 experience with purely normal games, so I don't know what to expect other than scum playing out of their minds. Which is what I'll focus on d1.

Yes, that is why I brought out the stiff post argument. I want to see if this trend continues since it matches up with the 'scum playing out of their mind' read I have.

Finding and noting the top towns currently also helps me formulate how scum could possibly act. It's better (in my opinion) to hide as top towns, so I won't be surprised if any of these 3 who are leading discussion/looking towny now would be scum.

On August 04 2014 22:55 marvellosity wrote:
that's stupid though.

any townie not playing as townie as possible in order to prevent themselves being a NK is both obnoxiously stupid and a complete asswipe.

On August 04 2014 23:26 marvellosity wrote:

The best way to get a good looking thread is if all the townies look really town so it's easy to find the mafia...

On August 04 2014 23:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I actually kinda want to lynch Haru for that. If he really was scumhunting he'd have paid more attention and would've seen why I "super townread" WoS, but in the post he just made it's used more as a deflection. Coupled with how his reasoning has been very shallow, as hf mentioned it seems like he's not really interested in finding scum.

On August 04 2014 23:37 justanothertownie wrote:
Is this discussion supposed to lead somewhere? Wtf...

On August 04 2014 20:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

If nothing by chance he's likely to be right sometimes.

On August 04 2014 23:48 justanothertownie wrote:

I can see that, thanks. What are you trying to achieve here? What do we gain? You 2 aren't talking about actual things.

On August 05 2014 07:10 Eden1892 wrote:
aite here's where i am

not killing ever: Eden1892
not killing today: marvellosity, Holyflare, kushm4sta, gobbledydook
don't want to kill today, but would: Tehpoofter, Vivax, HaruRH
indifferent to killing today: goodkarma, WaveofShadow, Artanis, justanothertownie, ObiWanShinobi
actively want to kill today:

the blankness in the last category is bothering me and probably why i feel scatterbrained atm, i made this list for my benefit and yours, let's work something out

there's five people in the "indifferent" category, someone help me pick one

On August 05 2014 07:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Who self-metas themselves as town?

Is that even a towny thing to do? Wtf?

On August 05 2014 08:09 Holyflare wrote:
Someone read this.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=HaruRH

Save me from the tunnel plz because in the town games that I've read from haru when he scum hunts it includes quotes and posts and reasons and questions and he tries to find things, all I've seen from him now is generic lists and surface reading all over again and he just echos a lot of things already said

On August 05 2014 08:11 Holyflare wrote:
he cares more about how he is appearing to others than he does scum hunting (spent 25 minutes digging out these quotes so ppl wont meta him (even though says he doesn't like meta and says he doesn't like artanis using it etc etc) instead of focusing on pointing out things from other ppl)

On August 05 2014 08:28 Holyflare wrote:
I don't want reads i simply want you to do what you've done in other games and point out posts you don't like and question them

On August 05 2014 22:26 marvellosity wrote:

can you provide specific examples of this?

On August 05 2014 22:53 gobbledydook wrote:
A case on HaruRH:

Near the beginning, I had HaruRH as scum because of his terrible logic about mafia acting more towny as usual. Then HF said that I shouldn't be so quick to scumread someone just because I disagree with them and I accepted it. The logic was terrible but it looked like he was trying to make a legit point at least.





Here he sheeps on Artanis. The post before the vote he says something really vague that isn't even necessarily correct. Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere.

A while later, he posts this gem.






Yep, not doing crap with reads, wishy washy and inconclusive, no promises given, throwing reads everywhere, 0 substantiation, not committing to any scumreads...guess who that is.

I know, it's the person flinging shit at seven people aka HaruRH.

On August 05 2014 22:39 marvellosity wrote:
tbh i could almost lynch Haru for this alone:


he's basically scumreading someone on a self-description, it's ludicrous

On August 05 2014 23:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Gobble I think your case is bad in that it doesn't explain why Haru is scum, at least the first part doesn't really matter to me. Scum is more likely to invent a bs reason to vote someone rather than just sheeping. I still think the strongest points are:

• Deflecting something Marv said, bringing up an awkward example where he asks how strong Marv's townreads are compared to me super townreading Wave (which I explained was a joke in the string of posts where he initially read it)
  
• List posts after saying he wouldn't bring up weak list posts on D1 as town because he doesn't view it as necessary.
  
• Hypocritical in how he accuses other people of unsubstantiated reads when he does the same himself.
  
• In the start, talking mostly about things outside of the game (HF has touched on this plenty)

On August 05 2014 23:08 gobbledydook wrote:


Adding to this, he seemed over-obsessed on game setup at the beginning. Usually it's the mafias who spend time talking about the game setup and its implications. Since game setup isn't all that important compared to making actual reads, this is scummy because it's a useful way to generate text without it actually being significant.

On August 05 2014 23:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

1) You asked Marv what a strong townread was when this bore no relevance to the question. It was a deflection.
2) You said you don't give weak list posts as town, then you proceeded to give weak list posts. It's a contradiction.
3) Are you seriously saying you let promises influence your decision? Mafia are the king of promises. Townies just deliver when they have the information.
4) Yes.

On August 05 2014 23:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Haru if you think scum would want to hide in top town why are all the people you suspect the people everyone suspects?

On August 05 2014 23:18 marvellosity wrote:

but you don't as town and you did in your mafia game

On August 05 2014 23:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

1) It should be very obvious what he means with top town. The comment was completely irrelevant to the context, thus deflecting from the original topic.
2) See Marv
3) Promises are irrelevant to actually doing things. Also, my original point was that your reads are unsubstantiated. You haven't given a proper case with reasoning on why I'm scum other than a very vague "his filter is unreadable and he hasn't delivered content". I have given concrete reasons for why you're scum.
4) Yes.

You have 5 (!!) scumreads and you have barely interacted with them, and then you still think there are scumreads in your null reads. How is anyone meant to take your reads seriously?

On August 05 2014 23:27 marvellosity wrote:

But this is bullshit, gobbledy has been plenty decisive on various things. Artanis is mafia, you're his 2nd read, Poofter is mafia.

Of course he's not going to give 100% reads on everybody.

And the people he is scumreading are the people in your scumville. I just don't understand this at all.

On August 05 2014 23:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
1) Townie looking: People posting looking townie because they're doing townie things like scumhunting and trying to solve the game.
2) Give some keywords at least to find it quicker. I have no idea what you mean.
3) You think anyone who doesn't promise content won't produce content? Are you like, being serious? I'm proving you wrong right now for one. Most people deliver content without promising it.

On August 05 2014 08:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Someone mentioned that WoS' entry looks forced/forged. I agree that it looks like he thought about it before posting but it feels like normal WoS to me, though I haven't played a scumgame with him it wouldn't surprise me if it came from town.

On August 05 2014 08:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I actually kind of agree with this, meh.

On August 05 2014 21:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I suddenly got retarded seems to be accurate. The lack of motivation follows from said realization.

My opinions pretty much follow popular opinion other than on myself. Vivax' interaction with me felt weird, just answering me when I asked a question and when I returned to the thread he just mentioned how I come back when summoned. I have no idea what his read on me is which is strange when I'm one of the biggest cases in the game.

Poof's return to the thread and his reads make no sense to me. I also have no idea how he thinks of me and have no idea how he hasn't commented on that.

On August 05 2014 08:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I'm on it for one, and I have minor townreads on the other two.

Haru, you've mentioned you favour Obi the most for a lynch today. Why have you not been pushing him or trying to interact with him? He's here and he's your biggest scumread yet you're not doing anything.


I don't think that's a good tell for poof. I've seen him post in cell as scum and he was very carefree there too. I'm not sure what really sets him out as mafia.

On August 05 2014 09:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
If Poof doesn't post that he's town at least 100 times today we should lynch him.

On August 05 2014 23:48 marvellosity wrote:
I just think Haru's read on gobble is totally disingenuous. gobbledy is the opposite of waffly in almost his whole filter and Haru picks out one post where he says he's null on someone and retracts a scumread?

Outside of this post he confidently declares Artanis mafia, same with Poofter, makes a case on Haru. gobbledy isn't the least bit indecisive and waffly. I don't understand the misrepresentation.

On August 06 2014 00:18 justanothertownie wrote:

Did you ever give an answer as to why gobble is scum for having the same scumreads you have? This is such a glaring contradiction.

On August 05 2014 22:53 gobbledydook wrote:
A case on HaruRH:

Near the beginning, I had HaruRH as scum because of his terrible logic about mafia acting more towny as usual. Then HF said that I shouldn't be so quick to scumread someone just because I disagree with them and I accepted it. The logic was terrible but it looked like he was trying to make a legit point at least.





Here he sheeps on Artanis. The post before the vote he says something really vague that isn't even necessarily correct. Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere.

A while later, he posts this gem.






Yep, not doing crap with reads, wishy washy and inconclusive, no promises given, throwing reads everywhere, 0 substantiation, not committing to any scumreads...guess who that is.

I know, it's the person flinging shit at seven people aka HaruRH.

On August 06 2014 00:21 marvellosity wrote:
also what was wrong with the method??

On August 06 2014 00:26 justanothertownie wrote:

This is what I dislike the most. You are calling him scum for scumreading your scumreads. Scumreadception.

On August 06 2014 00:27 marvellosity wrote:

but it's the method, don't you see?

No?

Me neither.

On August 06 2014 00:30 marvellosity wrote:

But it's precisely what you're advocating - if someone produces content then that's good, if they don;t produce concent then you are going to scumread them

so it makes perfect sense when artanis produces content that gobbledy would think to unvote him, given his case on him to begin with was that he had a 3 page filter with no content........




............

................................................



nothing you say makes any sense at all, ever.

On August 06 2014 00:34 marvellosity wrote:

So are you retracting on gobbledy? Would you rather kill Scumtanis?

On August 06 2014 00:37 Vivax wrote:
Haru u repeatin my posts, bad boy?

On August 06 2014 00:38 marvellosity wrote:

Except at first he wasn't happy with Artanis' posts:

only later was he happier

On August 06 2014 00:40 marvellosity wrote:

no you can't

you're literally just making that up to fit a narrative.

On August 06 2014 00:42 marvellosity wrote:
like i said, you're literally making shit up to fit your invented narrative.

it's just complete trash.

On August 06 2014 19:48 Holyflare wrote:
I'm almost sure he said he was sleeping 4 hours before that or something too so unless he got 4 hours sleep and conveniently woke up at deadline i think he's probably lying

On August 06 2014 19:52 Holyflare wrote:
Especially now it's like 8pm his time surely?

On August 06 2014 20:02 Holyflare wrote:
Well whatever go catch up and post your thoughts so i can tunnel you some more

On August 06 2014 05:11 Eden1892 wrote:
Alright, I made my decision. I mean it this time, seriously for real.

##UNVOTE: gobbledydook
##VOTE: HaruRH

Like I said earlier, go look at Haru's filter. His vote has been on Artanis forever, but he explicitly backed off of Artanis in favor of gobbledydook. Haru hasn't been pushing his lynch target much at all this game, no matter who it's been. He has no thread presence by choice, lots of posting but he's not going anywhere with it. Furthermore, he seemed far too resigned to being lynched compared to my read on his personality from our previous game together. Haru is a fighter, he's a prideful player - great traits to have IMO. He wouldn't go down so meekly if he were town. He would have raised holy hell at the fact that a wagon piled up on him as quickly as it did and he would have fought like hell to get out of it. I know he's not around now due to timezones, that's not on him, but he had plenty of time to push the lynch he wanted and he didn't, and he had plenty of time to fight his lynch and he didn't. Of the lynches that look viable at this point, this is easily the best.

On August 05 2014 13:42 goodkarma wrote:


Well at least you got the meaning of life part right.

Was kinda hoping you'd have more to say about Wave seeing as how I was referring to his case. And also I find it odd that you don't seem to have much of a direction in mind as to where to spend your time in thread. Don't get me wrong I like the poofter vote but your posting shouldn't begin and end with one vote post.

On August 06 2014 20:29 HaruRH wrote:


Btw I felt that the interaction of gk with gobble is weird.

Gk is almost like asking gobble to produce content, but is happy with gobble's null answers, while isnt happy with poofter posting conclusive reads without much substantiation. Why?

On August 06 2014 20:24 justanothertownie wrote:

I have trouble buying this attitude as townHaru.

On August 06 2014 20:35 justanothertownie wrote:

I just don't think you are the type of player who plays himself down as town after your performance in Order. I really don't.

On August 06 2014 06:44 LoneMeow wrote:
Counting of votes:

Artanis[Xp] (1): gobbledydook, marvellosity, marvellosity, marvellosity, Eden1892, HaruRH, kushm4sta, Eden1892, Holyflare
gobbledydook (2): Vivax, Eden1892, Tehpoofter, kushm4sta
Eden1892 (0): Eden1892
Vivax (2): Eden1892, marvellosity, goodkarma, Holyflare
Tehpoofter (0): Holyflare, goodkarma, gobbledydook
ObiWanShinobi (0): Eden1892, Holyflare, Eden1892, Eden1892
HaruRH (7): gobbledydook, WaveofShadow, Artanis[Xp], marvellosity, gobbledydook, Eden1892, justanothertownie, Eden1892, marvellosity, Eden1892, Tehpoofter
WaveofShadow (0): ObiWanShinobi, kushm4sta, Eden1892, Eden1892, Eden1892
marvellosity (0): Artanis[Xp], Eden1892, Vivax, HaruRH, WaveofShadow, ObiWanShinobi

Not voting (1): ObiWanShinobi

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is Tuesday, Aug 05 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ).

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On August 06 2014 07:55 iamperfection wrote:
Counting of votes:

Artanis[Xp] (0): gobbledydook, marvellosity, marvellosity, marvellosity, Eden1892, HaruRH, kushm4sta, Eden1892, Holyflare
gobbledydook (4): Vivax, Eden1892, Tehpoofter, kushm4sta, ObiWanShinobi, HaruRH
Eden1892 (0): Eden1892
Vivax (5): Eden1892, marvellosity, goodkarma, Holyflare, marvellosity, justanothertownie, Artanis
Tehpoofter (0): Holyflare, goodkarma, gobbledydook
ObiWanShinobi (0): Eden1892, Holyflare, Eden1892, Eden1892
HaruRH (4): gobbledydook, WaveofShadow, Artanis[Xp], marvellosity, gobbledydook, Eden1892, justanothertownie, Eden1892, marvellosity, Eden1892, Tehpoofter
WaveofShadow (0): ObiWanShinobi, kushm4sta, Eden1892, Eden1892, Eden1892
marvellosity (0): Artanis[Xp], Eden1892, Vivax, HaruRH, WaveofShadow, ObiWanShinobi

Not voting (0):
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On August 06 2014 07:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I feel like gd would better. I took a look at what kush was saying and saw merit to it and how GD operates as scum.

I feel like this Haru lynch is just us lynching Haru for being Haru. I know he said some idiotic things but idk, it feels like he's playing his towngame like he always does.

On August 06 2014 07:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm not flipping. No more flipping for me.

We need to pick between Haru/GD and I refuse to consider Vivax until after lynch. Seriously, bandwagon flips are 100% guaranteed to kill town so we need to stop this switch right goddamn now.

On August 06 2014 12:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Marv was asking me to filter dive Vivax, and I was like, "nah, the lynch should be between these two people and Vivax isn't getting lynched today."

And then he got lynched.

Also, I offered some direction during lynch:



Just because I had problems picking between the first two targets doesn't mean I didn't have direction. I just couldn't make up my mind, and then town went and just fucking flipped because they thought Vivax was being an asshole.

On August 06 2014 13:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Because I was certain that a mass voteswitch would be unfeasible.

Apparently it actually happened and he died. I warned everyone not to but I couldn't override anything. Blegh.

On August 06 2014 13:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Marv is basically 'we' and should be considered 'we' because everyone followed him because fuck it why not.

Also, if you honestly believe I orchestrated a mass voteswitch to Vivax at the last second, despite the fact that I was telling everyone not to, then lol. I seriously wish I was capable of that as mafia.

On August 06 2014 20:58 Eden1892 wrote:
Haru, I know the main reason you had such a visceral reaction to my push on you last time we crossed swords was because I made it personal, but I got the impression well before I ever did that that you were a fairly prideful player. That's a good thing in my book, people who take pride in their performance and their work tend to bust their asses to try to win and I love being around people who do that.

There's just a fire missing in your play that was burning bright and hot last game. Anyone else that was in that game can probably back me up on it. You played pretty tough and were unafraid to challenge people on anything. Hell, our first interaction in that game, you called me out for trying to seed your ML after Slamroot. Never mind whether that was true or not; the point is that you were completely fearless in your assertions. In retrospect, it was pretty obvious that you were town, and I should have read it much earlier.

Your play's just really different here. There's a meek deference when you're interacting with most people. You've been getting scumread by a lot of people, and while you are doing something to resist it, the fire's just not there like it was before. Something's just off. My first thought on it is that part of your passionate defenses of yourself when you're town come from the ironclad knowledge that you're town, and the added fervor that comes from knowing you're right; and thus that the fire's missing in your defense this time because you're mafia, you know you are, and you can't generate the same righteous indignation that you have when you're innocent and accused of being guilty.

But that's not the only explanation that fits, and there are townsided explanations that fit. So, before I try to get you lynched, if there's a townsided explanation for this, please tell me what's up. You can say that you don't have to appease me and don't want to deal with it, and that's fine, but you know from our other game that I can get people to support a lynch I want, and I think you and I both would be better off just working with me on this question instead of trying to play hardball with this talk of appeasement. Okay?

On July 12 2014 19:21 HaruRH wrote:


WRONG WRONG WRONG

Theres no counter wagon because NOBODY SET IT UP YET

Its not too late to salvage the situation dude, if I was scum and slam is scum now, I can easily salvage this hole they jumped into easily

Rather than thinking if we were bussing, think if slam is scum in the first place

Glowingbear doesn't fit the bill at all. You're just looking for another town to steamroll through d2. So I understand from your intent that you want to -> lynch slam d1 into lynching us d2. Note that only scum would set up a d2 lynch before a d1.

your actions have been recorded.

On August 06 2014 23:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
No, I don't get it.

I had trouble voting because I wasn't sure if I wanted Haru or GD, but I wanted to keep everyone from doing a mass voteswitch and in the end I was forced to switch to someone I wasn't even considering.

And you always have a problem with my day 1, so I don't put any stock into what you're saying about it.

On August 06 2014 07:52 justanothertownie wrote:

Ok, I am down but be ready to switch back if we don't get enough people.

On August 06 2014 07:55 marvellosity wrote:
swap back to haru in a few minutes if this isn't gonna happen.

On August 06 2014 07:55 justanothertownie wrote:

Just be ready to switch to Haru I will be too.

On August 07 2014 00:07 kushm4sta wrote:
"quit mafia forever if im wrong" convinced

On August 07 2014 08:03 Holyflare wrote:


Because i made the comment before and we had a whole talk how artanis did it pregame and if he was reading the thread to make the scum reads haru should have seen it and known

On August 07 2014 20:59 Eden1892 wrote:
i'm clicking random pages to catch up on

i still have a V. Bad Feeling about holyflare and want to kill him, because i still think my whole "i can't figure out who the fuck is scum so i'm probably being played by a godmode player" argument holds water and i'm positive marv is town. plus the mafia passed on shooting standard n1 kills for fuckin kush which means kush was obviously going balls-out this game on scum

BUT

there's another valid reason for not being able to figure a game out, and it's when scum aren't posting at all... this only happens when quite a few townies aren't being memorable and guess what? that's true this game too!

in other words half of you are scum and i want to kill all of you

On August 07 2014 21:13 Holyflare wrote:
Just because you said something generic doesn't vindicate that you're right. Especially not to this degree. That's fucking scummy

On August 04 2014 14:13 HaruRH wrote:


uh

I meant scum are so tryhard, I would expect at least 1 of them to be hidden in the top town now so that you all would townread them. Just some skepticism from me.

I think this is more correct:

Hf/pooft/gk are probably town because they're leading discussion and finding out who is town and who is scum. Scum are also amongst the lurkers who don't want to get noticed.

On August 04 2014 14:09 gobbledydook wrote:



Your logic baffles me. You're saying that because scum are so tryhard, they are more town than real town and so the towniest people are scum. You also allege that 'top towns should hide' which is astounding. The only power town has is their voice and vote, why would a *town* want to hide?

What about this simpler, probably correct argument:

'hf/pooft/gk are town because they are actively leading discussion and finding out who is scum and who is town. Scum are among the lurkers who don't want to get noticed'.

On August 04 2014 14:04 goodkarma wrote:


So what you mean to say is you think most of your "towny-looking" people reads are town? Makes more sense than what you said before, though it's still a bit much for me to wrap my head around.

Can you explain to me why you'd say you'd never been in normal games when I see World Cup Mini and at least one newbie game is in your played games list?

On August 07 2014 13:59 gobbledydook wrote:
I just read the holyflare/vivax fiasco that happened around deadline and the conclusion is WTF is going on.

So here comes vivax, he's gone all day since at the beginning when haru was making that +1/-1 posts. So naturally he's still thinking of that, and then holyflare hard scumreads him for him attacking everyone on haru at that point but not actually commenting on the haru argument. From what I read vivax had already established his haru townread and since he thinks scum are mislynching him he is trying to find out who's scum in his enemies. For some god knows reason aka 'being a dick' he gets EOD wagoned, and then the recrimination flies everywhere, eden and kush who didn't join the EOD wagon incriminate him for instigating the lynch...

This is a complete disaster. I don't know what to take from this. I don't even think all this wagon-starting and recrimination is indicative of alignment at all, there's way too much bad in there that anyone, town or mafia likewise, could pick holes in them.
I don't know if HF is scum or town, he's posted lots of strong reads (but a scum HF is perfectly capable of doing that as well as town I assume), but he's also caused a huge ruckus over vivax (that could be scum muddying the waters or town just not wanting to admit he was wrong). Can someone guide me through that ten pages of shit?

On August 06 2014 20:53 HaruRH wrote:
Things got really interesting after I was at 7 votes:



during this time, I jumped onto gobble, who was (in my opinion) gaining traction to be the next lynch. All it needed was a few more votes.



At this point, Artanis and JAT followed marv to lynch vivax instead. They had already shown their intent to jump back to me if this fails. I have also joined in, making it 6 votes.



Obi have also shown that he doesn't want to vote me. So this following quote doesn't follow his ideals:





Neither does this from obi follows his original stance of only wanting to lynch into me/gobble.

Also, it is apparent that they would come back to my wagon when they detect that the vivax wagon would fail. So why would obi, whose stance is to not vote me, decide to limit the wagon on me/gd, insisting on not changing wagons, then decide to change to vivax after all ( even though there was no risk of no-lynch since I am going to die anyway), then rage about town being bad for lynching vivax?



This explanation does nothing.

On August 09 2014 15:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Yeah, I know. I'm running out of ideas for lynch targets, so if you have any better ideas I'd be more than happy to hear them.

On August 10 2014 11:04 gobbledydook wrote:
I think poofter's a great lynch, I don't recall him doing anything recently it's a marvel that he isn't already lynched.
I know my filter's short but I don't like spam posting everything that comes up in my mind. I'm also not going to martyr like I did yesterday because we can't afford another mislynch.

My proposed scumteam is poofter obi haru. Obi's been pretty devoid of content in this game, when I played him in Noir Mini, he was capable of producing good, detailed reads as town. So I think the fact that he hasn't posted anything that made me think 'hm thats good', points to him being scum. Poofter is a worse offender and I've already pointed out before how his play fits his mafia meta more than his town meta, see my filter for details. Haru has amazingly posted 1 page of non-committal stuff in three (!) days. He was posting a lot when he was up for lynch day 1, and since the pressure dissipated, he hasn't found a reason to keep posting, aka he's a mafia only posting because he has to.

On August 10 2014 13:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
HF I would like an explanation at some point as to why anyone should be voting Poofter over Haru today, simply put. You have found both of them scummy, so ultimately this must mean you find Poofter scummier in some way. What makes this so?

On August 10 2014 11:04 gobbledydook wrote:
I think poofter's a great lynch, I don't recall him doing anything recently it's a marvel that he isn't already lynched.
I know my filter's short but I don't like spam posting everything that comes up in my mind. I'm also not going to martyr like I did yesterday because we can't afford another mislynch.

My proposed scumteam is poofter obi haru. Obi's been pretty devoid of content in this game, when I played him in Noir Mini, he was capable of producing good, detailed reads as town. So I think the fact that he hasn't posted anything that made me think 'hm thats good', points to him being scum. Poofter is a worse offender and I've already pointed out before how his play fits his mafia meta more than his town meta, see my filter for details. Haru has amazingly posted 1 page of non-committal stuff in three (!) days. He was posting a lot when he was up for lynch day 1, and since the pressure dissipated, he hasn't found a reason to keep posting, aka he's a mafia only posting because he has to.

On August 10 2014 15:15 gobbledydook wrote:


you omgused because you're scum
give it up

On August 10 2014 16:20 Eden1892 wrote:
Zzzzzzzzžźż

Haru why you mad tho. As a neutral observer it seems a little sudden? Not like FAKE sudden just "whoa what had happen" sudden

Wave isn't lynch today

On August 06 2014 16:35 gobbledydook wrote:


From my point of view:

I think there was never really enough traction on me to get me lynched, 1)especially since Haru looked scummier than I did. Also from my perspective 2)Haru is scum as I said, so therefore mafia needed an alternative target.
I think marv (who I read town) derped when he started the wagon, but we know that the wagon wouldn't have left the station if not enough people were on board. Here's where the mafia come in, they push the wagon over the critical mass and it causes a massive wreck. I believe there's at least 1 mafia, probably 2 in the vivax train. My guess would be Haru and poofter, in that order of confidence.

On August 10 2014 11:04 gobbledydook wrote:
I think poofter's a great lynch, I don't recall him doing anything recently it's a marvel that he isn't already lynched.
I know my filter's short but I don't like spam posting everything that comes up in my mind. I'm also not going to martyr like I did yesterday because we can't afford another mislynch.

My proposed scumteam is poofter obi haru. Obi's been pretty devoid of content in this game, when I played him in Noir Mini, he was capable of producing good, detailed reads as town. So I think the fact that he hasn't posted anything that made me think 'hm thats good', points to him being scum. Poofter is a worse offender and I've already pointed out before how his play fits his mafia meta more than his town meta, see my filter for details. 1)Haru has amazingly posted 1 page of non-committal stuff in three (!) days. He was posting a lot when he was up for lynch day 1, and since the pressure dissipated, he hasn't found a reason to keep posting, aka he's a mafia only posting because he has to.

On August 10 2014 23:43 Holyflare wrote:
Oh haru you have to answer why you disregard my meta on wave that wasn't really that old at the start of the game but then sheep marv on onegu no questions asked on 8 month old meta

On August 10 2014 23:53 Holyflare wrote:
So who do you think is the mafia team? Also, do you think your case on gobbledy can only come from mafia? None of the things you pointed out really look like they do at all? You kind of just call out posts he made and counter the argument he is making (such as 1 page of non committal stuff) but what's the scummy intent behind them?

On August 10 2014 23:59 Holyflare wrote:
I'd really rather you just made cases on mafia. Especially since i think gobble is mafia and nothing you picked out of his filter are the reasons i am reading him that way. Which kind of implies your total disconnect from the game.

On August 11 2014 01:33 Eden1892 wrote:
Rofl

Idk about Haru I played one game and he was more invested despite deliberately lurking / being scummy as a parity cop. No real priors

On August 11 2014 01:31 justanothertownie wrote:

But don't you remember how PURE the gobble wagon was?!

On August 11 2014 02:21 Holyflare wrote:
Did haru just make a non real case on gobble and leave??

On August 11 2014 02:26 Holyflare wrote:
Great. 24h day and you'd rather play league than do any mafia

On August 11 2014 02:28 Holyflare wrote:
Because I've been doing that for 3 days straight and we're trying to figure out your alignment not the other way around?? Also the fact that you said you were going to do it and then didn't, +the spammy haru that hasn't turned up yet

On August 11 2014 02:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
Haru what is scummy about that red sentence you outlined exactly?

On August 11 2014 02:46 justanothertownie wrote:

Why don't YOU start discussion or at least show us some reasoning for your scumreads? You are the question mark here.

On August 08 2014 04:13 Tehpoofter wrote:


I can see that. I still think I'm right but I'm going to make reading his filter a priority at work to see how it hits me as a whole.

LEts talk about goobly. How sick was his wagon yesterday (Vivax, kush, eden, me) like how pure is that? I'm (I think) your only question mark on there and you're just wrong on me. How hot is a goobly lynch? I agree its amazing we should all vote him!

I will now.

##Vote Goobledydook

On August 11 2014 03:04 WaveofShadow wrote:

Who is the 'high hanging fruit' that he's hold be going for? Ad again if poofter is so easy to lynch, why hasn't he been lynched so far, especially considering how hard H f pushed for him?
And as far as people flinging shit at you, where do I fit in?

On August 11 2014 03:09 WaveofShadow wrote:

Alright I follow that
I don't follow the high class thing tho

On August 12 2014 07:26 Eden1892 wrote:
sorry you rolled scum with Holyflare bro, it must be fucking annoying to be soft-pushed by your ride-or-die homie all game

On August 12 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote:


Where did i ever say i wasn't posting because of phone posting? Eden said there's a discrepancy and i stated why. What a load of crap you're trying to push, especially now at lylo.

On August 12 2014 07:46 Holyflare wrote:
other than that haru guy who just jumps on whatever wagon possible when it's pushed

On August 05 2014 08:11 Holyflare wrote:
he cares more about how he is appearing to others than he does scum hunting (spent 25 minutes digging out these quotes so ppl wont meta him (even though says he doesn't like meta and says he doesn't like artanis using it etc etc) instead of focusing on pointing out things from other ppl)

On August 11 2014 20:30 Holyflare wrote:
I've posted almost entirely on my phone this game hence the not over elaborate posts (you can tell for future reference if i start post with capital letters)

On August 12 2014 07:53 Holyflare wrote:
and all my "excuses" would happen the same way if i was town because i was studying for law exams that were on during the game and i was throwing up because of food poisoning, it's literally in the mafia qt in all of those games

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/LTnJh3zRFZwp
http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/7cg2eTRBib33c

On August 12 2014 07:57 Holyflare wrote:


2 wagons yesterday were poofter and gobble who were both put forward as candidates to be lynched. You made a post on gobble that I questioned and said it wasn't a proper case and you said it wasn't a case it was just a filter dive. You then miraculously said it was a scum read and nothing in your filter dive was actually scummy so you hopped on that wagon pretty easily and afk'd for the remainder of the day. Your poofter read COMES FROM A DAY 1 BS READ of "yeh must be mafia in these 3 ppl producing content!" even though poofter didn't produce anything so that was a bull shit read posted from your ass and "covered" you in case you came back and people needed to switch. You've not scum read anyone for good reasons, you haven't done anything but complain and you have massive inconsistent decisions about when to follow meta in regards to onegu or not follow it when it comes to everyone else that was pushed on meta for no other reason than someone town reading you. I also honestly can't see why you'd compare me to you in regards to onegu because i didn't sheep the shitty meta case i actually investigated and posted reasons.

On August 12 2014 19:22 Eden1892 wrote:
Ftr I still propose Haru as the lynch

Just lol @ his "slipping" post

On August 12 2014 21:55 Eden1892 wrote:
OK so ever since Haru checked in with his "slipping" post he's made nine posts in a concurrent game. Aforesaid concurrent game is on d1 and he's made some posts trying to figure things out there. I invite everyone to check his filter from that game here and tell me if he looks even half as invested in this game, which is at LYLO, as that game, which is on d1. He's not at all. Only scum in this game have a good reason to prioritize another game that's on d1 over this game at LYLO since scum have 2 more days' insurance.

Furthermore he's actually giving reads there after saying here he doesn't give reads d1. Sounds like an excuse not to give reads here to me

On August 12 2014 22:00 Eden1892 wrote:
Noted, strike that from the record then.

Rephrased: Haru why aren't you doing anything to solve the game at LYLO?

On August 12 2014 09:29 goodkarma wrote:
I'm sheeping HF's read. He's the dead townie, and sheeping dead townie was my plan. He did what I suggested, and I'm following my plan.

From everything I've seen, he's a better player than you and the rest of the people here. He totally deserves to be sheeped.

That you're still alive after being townread by many here is also more than a little strange. To be perfectly honest, minus this huge spurt of activity super-late into the game, I don't recall you saying anything meaningful. You've trolled for multiple pages early into the game, deliberabely spammed on numerous occasion and called yourself townie for doing it (showing awareness of the whole nonsensical "he posts a lot therefore he's town" meta people have been following here), and you really haven't tunneled people much. Like you've kinda just gone with the flow and let things happen. I clearly remember you telling me in chat when we hydra'ed you like to tunnel people. I haven't seen anything like this this game. You've been fairly lost much of the game, and I'm convinced that it's been deliberate.


HF clearly had reasons for thinking you're scum if he dies and I agree. You don't just troll-post "kill Eden if I die" at the zero-minute mark before night ends. There was literally ZERO chance that scum had the option to act on that post, and as such HF in his last dying breath gave town a chance to actually push a proper scum lynch today. That chance is you, and I'm sticking with it. Everyone who's town should join it's our best bet.

On August 12 2014 12:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't even need to.
Guy has done absolutely dick all the entire game.
I don't even remember what my case on him D1 said but I bet it still stands.
Marv's townread of him was shit.

He had ONE period where his posts looked super towny at some point yesterday, but then he fucked off and did nothing again.

GK, you don't get off the hook here.
First of all I know I told you to back down, but now that you are I've decided it looks shitty to me.

Are you honestly telling me you didn't see that?

Second of all,

blatant buddying. Not in the mood to be buddied right now since I can't even trust Eden anymore.

And I just remembered, what about JAT? What has that guy done the entire game?

Too many shitty looking people. Even the ones who have decent reason to be town like GD.

On August 12 2014 12:36 gobbledydook wrote:
People I'm 100% sure town:
Gobbledydook

People I'm 99% sure town:
Eden1892, WaveofShadow

People I'm not that sure of:
JAT

Probably scum:
Obi, Haru

Scum, lynch this fuck now:
goodkarma


It's time to recall the lessons of Palmar: if you didn't notice him, he's probably scum. If you noticed him for something really bad, he's probably just a shitty town.

At this point I cannot find a reason to believe Eden or WoS could be mafia. The level of their analysis and effort is not something that I think can be faked. I also *remember* what they said, wave made those 2 epic analysis posts on HF and haru, while eden is eden and he's been pushing reads all game.
JAT is an enigma. He *could* be scum. He's on the townier side for me but it's worrying that without rereading his filter I can't actually remember what he had ever said. He might be a scum that's good at not being noticed.
The remaining 3:
I'm really sure of goodkarma. I can't remember at all what he said in the previous days but it certainly wasn't anything towny.

Upon reread, things he did on day 1:

Defend haru with some handwavey 'mafia generally don't rage hardcore when tunnelled' argument
Ask people 'what is your read'
Sheep onto poofter (We now know poofter is town), then only giving reasoning that's pretty much what everyone else said, after being pressured to give reasoning.
Sheep onto vivax


Look at the case on vivax:



Something's just *wrong* with that post now that I look at it with the knowledge that vivax is town. The logic doesn't sit well with me. The case is literally 'vivax hasn't been tunnelling', which is another handwavey argument that ignores all the reasons why vivax might behave like he did.

Day 2 is just him sheeping onegu but that's not alignment indicative, literally everyone sheeped onegu.

Day 3 is him sheeping poofter and me. Poofter died.

Night 3 he explains why everyone should sheep:



has this guy done literally anything other than sheeping? I expect townies to be able to use their own brains. mafia on the other hand...nothing beats a good sheep. That way you can blame the shepherd when it inevitably mislynches town.

On August 12 2014 12:54 Eden1892 wrote:
As you eloquently put it, gk, WRONG. I could've been better but I'm not useless and nowhere near Haru level. Not even Haru would agree with you.

This dude is just being a belligerent dick at this point, further engagement is not worth the time.

On August 12 2014 12:56 gobbledydook wrote:


It seems pretty right to me.

Let's set the logic out:

Definition: A sheep is a vote that is placed due to trusting someone else. (1)

From 1) it follows that a sheep vote needs little explanation because the explanation is given by the trusted player. (2)

Assumption: Votes should come with an explanation. (3)

From (3) it follows that a non-sheep vote, due to not having an explanation from another source, requires its own explanation. (4)

Assumption: Explanation requires a considerable amount of words. (5)

From (2) (5) and (4) it follows that a sheep vote contains less text than a non sheep vote. (6)

Fact: A post that contains more text takes more time to read. (7)

Assumption: The longer it takes to read something, the more you remember that such text existed. (8)

From (6), (7), (8) it follows that sheep votes are less noticeable than non-sheep votes.

On August 12 2014 14:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't even care about all of your scumreads. I care about your scumread on me.

You came to the decision that I would be your ride-or-die townread if I carried out my reread, but then immediately turned around and read me as scum because I wasn't trying hard enough.

You don't have any actual reasons for the things that you're saying. The progression of your reads don't actually make sense, especially when you turn around and call your top town mafia for the exact reasons you were planning to read them as town.

On August 12 2014 15:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I can see posting any big posts is enough to sway you into thinking someone is town.

I'm just going to go back to not giving a fuck then.

On August 12 2014 15:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
That's not how this game works.

Honestly, you're so dumb.

On August 12 2014 15:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I stand by the fact that you turned around and scumread me for next to no reason after you were so willing to declare that I was your ride-or-die townread.

The fact that my scumread was wrong doesn't really make what you're doing any better.

On August 12 2014 23:35 Eden1892 wrote:
Haru how long are you going to be around for? I'm Adkins for 20mins or so, leaving work.

The Obi "townread" thing is explained a couple pages back - read from p190 I think. If you don't find it by the time I return I'll dig it up. Tl;dr is I faked that to try to encourage him to fucking do something and he didn't do it so I retracted