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Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 04 2014 06:12 GMT
#358
that's decidedly not what I was talking about
On April 09 2014 11:47 kushm4sta wrote:
eden a girl?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 04 2014 06:16 GMT
#359
Wave, what do you find suspicious about your scumread? It's probably in your filter and I missed it but please explain (or re-explain if that's what it is)
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 04 2014 06:31 GMT
#362
On August 04 2014 15:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Eden who is my scumread?

sigh gonna make me look huh

Haru for... a weird defense of you, do I have that right? Some q's on that:
- Are you not interested in exploring that weird defense further?
- What's weird about his defense of you exactly?
- What's scum-motivated about his defense of you exactly?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 04 2014 06:35 GMT
#364
I'm not asking just to ask... if I thought the explanation was satisfactory then I wouldn't be asking

Care to oblige me anyway? Particularly with the last question, which I don't think you explored in that explanation, despite your claim to the contrary
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 04 2014 06:57 GMT
#371
On August 04 2014 15:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll accept the final point, though I don't believe you aren't asking just to ask, because you didn't even know who you were asking about when you did at first.

Easy towncred when called out for defending everyone else's apparent scumread so he can say 'lulz why would I hard defend someone everyone else is attacking as scum' but more damning is the grabbing the quick out as soon as he could when attention trundle to him. It's pretty basic scared scumplay IMO, guy made a play and felt like it might have backfired/wants to play safe and get on everyone's good site now. See conversation with GK for example.

Though if they were both scum that might be interesting too.

no, I knew it was Haru; I phrased it like I didn't because I find people tend to be more eager to oblige me that way if they really believe someone is scum, since they want to convince me of their read

and... what? he's not hard defending you. he said that your earlier stiff play could be the result of not playing for a while and that he reads you null for stiff play. furthermore this stance has been consistent, so how did he ever "grab an out"?

my main problem right now is that this read seems really superficial to me. you have to assume haru is mafia for this to make sense, and it writes off the very reasonable alternative that he's town and (imo) the better explanation for his behavior. this wouldn't be a problem, as many players good and bad struggle with giving non-superficial reads sometimes, especially early in the game. but then you turn right around with this:
On August 04 2014 15:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2014 15:38 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, first and foremost if marv doesn't show up with something relevant and lurks - we kill him. I think we can all agree on that one.

So far I think Eden is probably town because he seems very comfortable and was one of the first to actually scumhunt (together with HF). I think I also somewhat like goodkarma because his play so far has been really different than in showdown.
On August 04 2014 09:52 Vivax wrote:
It's not mafiaish at all he just has a different opinion than you and not everyone with a different opinion is mafia.

I don't like this post. How do you know it is not mafiaish? I am not saying Haru is scum but why do you feel the need to defend him like that this early?

Also, Obi with a way less impressing start than in an unnamed game.

Could say the same of you.
I don't get the feeling vivax was defending him, rather simply expressing his pov.

which imo was a good job reading into vivax past the most obvious conclusion. so you're clearly capable of reading into a post and recognizing a superior but non-obvious conclusion... yet you're not doing this with haru?

and then at the end there's this throwaway comment about haru and goodkarma being scum. do you intend to follow up on this at all? what makes you think they might both be scum and if it's so interesting why just leave it hanging?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 04 2014 08:44 GMT
#381
it's not just meta though. I'm making the same argument completely independent of meta and I think the argument is just as strong without meta. just remove references to previous games with Wave and read Cav's post on the matter

"My issue is that I really don't like Wave's pacing/terminology when it comes to his posts. I don't know, call it a gut read or whatever, but if Wave were town he would be so breezy and carefree and towny and junk. I don't see any of that here. Wave feels really calculated in his posts, almost like he cares way too much."

still holds up
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 04 2014 09:37 GMT
#390
On August 04 2014 17:54 kushm4sta wrote:
eden, that is still a tone read. I remember a similar tone from WoS as town in some game. So not only do I disagree with tone reads in general, I disagree with your tone read in particular.

Eden, it's not scummy to be serious, avoid derp, and try hard.

that's not it, though, you can be serious without seeming rehearsed

I don't even think this is the main point against Wave anymore, I'm more concerned with the points I raised in a couple of more recent posts, but you're not gonna convince me that the intro posts he had didn't seem rehearsed or that rehearsed posts aren't on balance more likely to be scum-motivated than town-motivated
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 04 2014 09:38 GMT
#391
On August 04 2014 18:33 gobbledydook wrote:
I have come to the conclusion:

Artanis is scum.

He has three pages in his filter yet reading through the whole thread I don't recall seeing him say anything interesting. By Palmar's rule he is scum.

fify, it's "red" not "r"
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 04 2014 09:40 GMT
#392
On August 04 2014 18:34 marvellosity wrote:
Still few pages behind atm, HF actually looks town. Artanis might be mafia.

Also it was the last sentence on Wave's into post that was the weirdest, but meh. Not sure how much the whole post matters on its lonesome

!!! a hostile takeover of /towncircle Group, LLC
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 04 2014 09:40 GMT
#393
post count inflation
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 04 2014 09:48 GMT
#396
On August 04 2014 18:45 HaruRH wrote:
Eden do you think I'm scum now
Because if you think I am, I will refuse to argue with you and let you ML me. I literally will.

Wtf no
wher'd that come from
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 04 2014 09:50 GMT
#397
On August 04 2014 18:45 marvellosity wrote:
neither of you get to decide who gets lynched

On August 04 2014 18:45 marvellosity wrote:
don't make promises/threats you can't keep

“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 04 2014 09:50 GMT
#398
marv keep producing so i can move my vote ty
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 04 2014 09:52 GMT
#400
im not arguing with him i think hes town lmao

artanis might be scum, the unmemorable heuristic is a good one but a lot of people are unmemorable to this point so i'm focusing more attention on someone who was memorably shady to me (Wave)
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 04 2014 10:00 GMT
#405
hm ok you seem cool enough

##UNVOTE: marvellosity
##VOTE: WaveofShadow
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 04 2014 10:01 GMT
#406
eh on second thought lets dance arty

##UNVOTE: WaveofShadow
##VOTE: Artanis[Xp]
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 04 2014 10:06 GMT
#410
On August 04 2014 19:04 kushm4sta wrote:
gobblle hasn't mentioned artanis once.

wow you read the thread even less than i do
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 04 2014 10:10 GMT
#415
someone help me read kush right now
all i remember are arguments i didn't like, not reading the thread, and hitting on me
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 04 2014 11:11 GMT
#427
Heavyweight bout with the boldface tags
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 04 2014 11:27 GMT
#430
Get to work son, the NWO needs you.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
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