Wave, what do you find suspicious about your scumread? It's probably in your filter and I missed it but please explain (or re-explain if that's what it is)

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

August 04 2014 06:31 GMT

#362

On August 04 2014 15:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Eden who is my scumread?

sigh gonna make me look huh

Haru for... a weird defense of you, do I have that right? Some q's on that:
- Are you not interested in exploring that weird defense further?
- What's weird about his defense of you exactly?
- What's scum-motivated about his defense of you exactly?

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

August 04 2014 06:35 GMT

#364

I'm not asking just to ask... if I thought the explanation was satisfactory then I wouldn't be asking

Care to oblige me anyway? Particularly with the last question, which I don't think you explored in that explanation, despite your claim to the contrary

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

August 04 2014 06:57 GMT

#371

On August 04 2014 15:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll accept the final point, though I don't believe you aren't asking just to ask, because you didn't even know who you were asking about when you did at first.

Easy towncred when called out for defending everyone else's apparent scumread so he can say 'lulz why would I hard defend someone everyone else is attacking as scum' but more damning is the grabbing the quick out as soon as he could when attention trundle to him. It's pretty basic scared scumplay IMO, guy made a play and felt like it might have backfired/wants to play safe and get on everyone's good site now. See conversation with GK for example.

Though if they were both scum that might be interesting too.

no, I knew it was Haru; I phrased it like I didn't because I find people tend to be more eager to oblige me that way if they really believe someone is scum, since they want to convince me of their read

and... what? he's not hard defending you. he said that your earlier stiff play could be the result of not playing for a while and that he reads you null for stiff play. furthermore this stance has been consistent, so how did he ever "grab an out"?

my main problem right now is that this read seems really superficial to me. you have to assume haru is mafia for this to make sense, and it writes off the very reasonable alternative that he's town and (imo) the better explanation for his behavior. this wouldn't be a problem, as many players good and bad struggle with giving non-superficial reads sometimes, especially early in the game. but then you turn right around with this:

On August 04 2014 15:42 WaveofShadow wrote:

Show nested quote +

Could say the same of you.
I don't get the feeling vivax was defending him, rather simply expressing his pov.

which imo was a good job reading into vivax past the most obvious conclusion. so you're clearly capable of reading into a post and recognizing a superior but non-obvious conclusion... yet you're not doing this with haru?

and then at the end there's this throwaway comment about haru and goodkarma being scum. do you intend to follow up on this at all? what makes you think they might both be scum and if it's so interesting why just leave it hanging?

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

August 04 2014 08:44 GMT

#381

it's not just meta though. I'm making the same argument completely independent of meta and I think the argument is just as strong without meta. just remove references to previous games with Wave and read Cav's post on the matter

"My issue is that I really don't like Wave's pacing/terminology when it comes to his posts. I don't know, call it a gut read or whatever, but if Wave were town he would be so breezy and carefree and towny and junk. I don't see any of that here. Wave feels really calculated in his posts, almost like he cares way too much."

still holds up

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

August 04 2014 09:37 GMT

#390

On August 04 2014 17:54 kushm4sta wrote:
eden, that is still a tone read. I remember a similar tone from WoS as town in some game. So not only do I disagree with tone reads in general, I disagree with your tone read in particular.

Eden, it's not scummy to be serious, avoid derp, and try hard.

that's not it, though, you can be serious without seeming rehearsed

I don't even think this is the main point against Wave anymore, I'm more concerned with the points I raised in a couple of more recent posts, but you're not gonna convince me that the intro posts he had didn't seem rehearsed or that rehearsed posts aren't on balance more likely to be scum-motivated than town-motivated

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

August 04 2014 09:38 GMT

#391

On August 04 2014 18:33 gobbledydook wrote:
I have come to the conclusion:

Artanis is scum.

He has three pages in his filter yet reading through the whole thread I don't recall seeing him say anything interesting. By Palmar's rule he is scum.

fify, it's "red" not "r"

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

August 04 2014 09:40 GMT

#392

On August 04 2014 18:34 marvellosity wrote:
Still few pages behind atm, HF actually looks town. Artanis might be mafia.

Also it was the last sentence on Wave's into post that was the weirdest, but meh. Not sure how much the whole post matters on its lonesome

!!! a hostile takeover of /towncircle Group, LLC

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

August 04 2014 09:40 GMT

#393

post count inflation

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

August 04 2014 09:48 GMT

#396

On August 04 2014 18:45 HaruRH wrote:
Eden do you think I'm scum now
Because if you think I am, I will refuse to argue with you and let you ML me. I literally will.

Wtf no
wher'd that come from

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

August 04 2014 09:50 GMT

#397

On August 04 2014 18:45 marvellosity wrote:
neither of you get to decide who gets lynched

On August 04 2014 18:45 marvellosity wrote:
don't make promises/threats you can't keep

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

August 04 2014 09:50 GMT

#398

marv keep producing so i can move my vote ty

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

August 04 2014 09:52 GMT

#400

im not arguing with him i think hes town lmao

artanis might be scum, the unmemorable heuristic is a good one but a lot of people are unmemorable to this point so i'm focusing more attention on someone who was memorably shady to me (Wave)