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On August 05 2014 13:19 goodkarma wrote: Is this all you care to comment on after over a day of absence? AUS Timezone OP, also I have other things to do Is there anything specific you want me to comment on? | ||
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On August 05 2014 13:27 goodkarma wrote: Wave's case on Haru, Obi, Artansis, the meaning of life. Take your pick. There must have been something posted of interest to you between yesterday and today. 1) Haru: It's a good case, I had raised some of my objections about Haru before, but HF persuaded me that just because I don't agree with him doesn't mean he is scum. I still don't like any of his posts, the logic just isn't there. I could be persuaded to vote Haru. 2) Obi: Null read atm, he's played similarly to when I saw him in Noir Mini 2, and he was town in that game. He hasn't particularly stood out as towny though so that's why I have a null read. 3) Artanis: I said before, I think he's come out with good discussion and so I unvoted him. 4) The meaning of life: 42. | ||
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On August 05 2014 13:38 Tehpoofter wrote: Was it really a lot of space? This reasoning is garbage and feels like mafia jumping on a town. Welcome to my kill list. Like I said it was odd not that it was really scummy or mafia indicative or like marv is mafia because of it or anything. This is like 100000% what a mafia would say to jump on a bandwagon of a town. It hits all the fun points of what scum does when voting: a) being in like 3-5th on a vote b) bad reasoning thats slightly different from others c) a reason that is about something in the thread but is actually not correct showing hes not really checking his information. a) Someone has got to be in like 3-5th of a vote b) No, I think it's a pretty good read c) No, I think it's a pretty good read Classic scum move, going hard OMGUS. Please | ||
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On August 05 2014 13:46 Tehpoofter wrote: I didn't say the other two people voting me were scum cause I felt HF believes what he says the other dude I think has said things during the game that I find townie (he will probably be in my bangs once I've caught up) Your reason was shitty. Get called out. But no, seriously, your contribution level is still zero. | ||
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On August 05 2014 18:12 Holyflare wrote: Point to me where he is even skeptical of me because i can point to you multiple times that he has called me town. Every post i make that accuses him he doesn't get more suspicious he just passes it off as something wrong instead. It's not normal conspiracy theorist wave. Artanis has done nothing, his posts were very artificial abd he's probably the best lynch. Thrre was that one post that made me skeptical of his alignment but his latest string of posts looks like some mafia that had to post some content to stay alive rather than someone trying to figure things out. I.E. Bringing up thing about jat but not continuing it, the random oh I'm being terrible into afking. When I talked about artanis being useful I was referring to On August 05 2014 00:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That's impossible as he just brought it up. He deflected marv's post by mentioning something about me super townreading wave for no good reason when if he had been paying attention he would've noticed that I mentioned townreading Wave from the get go. I even quoted it again when someone else asked it to me before. Bringing up this example felt awkward to begin with given his post so it makes no sense for him to do so unless he's trying to deflect. and On August 05 2014 08:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm on it for one, and I have minor townreads on the other two. Haru, you've mentioned you favour Obi the most for a lynch today. Why have you not been pushing him or trying to interact with him? He's here and he's your biggest scumread yet you're not doing anything. I don't think that's a good tell for poof. I've seen him post in cell as scum and he was very carefree there too. I'm not sure what really sets him out as mafia. Which to me seems like legit discussion and good points made. Holyflare, forgive me for being dumb, but I don't quite follow your logic in dismissing Artanis's posts as being mafia filler. Can you please explain in detail? I'm sure I am missing out on some nuance here. | ||
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I don't understand the exact reason why you think Artanis's later posts are mafia filler, your examples are a bit vague and unexplained. I'm a noob so explain clearly please | ||
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Every game I have played so far I was mafia. Guess how much I know about playing town. I'm trying, but just that I'm not up to your standards doesn't mean I'm scum. You can also compare this game to my 2 scumgames to see the difference. | ||
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Near the beginning, I had HaruRH as scum because of his terrible logic about mafia acting more towny as usual. Then HF said that I shouldn't be so quick to scumread someone just because I disagree with them and I accepted it. The logic was terrible but it looked like he was trying to make a legit point at least. On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote: Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts. Here he sheeps on Artanis. The post before the vote he says something really vague that isn't even necessarily correct. Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere. A while later, he posts this gem. On August 05 2014 07:48 HaruRH wrote: Ill do it for you Goodkarma: came out early with tons of aggression, never relented and disappeared conveniently. Wos: bad start with stiff post, continued posting awkwardly that seemed rehearsed. Artanis: using meta reads as a basis of his reads (I really dont agree with doing this). Justanothertownie: I don't really feel much from him except that I don't agree with his scumreads at all. Obiwan: being useless In this game much? I don't see him voting anything meaningful, or doing any moves that included thinking. Overall, obi> wos> gk> artanis> jat in terms of who to lynch. On August 05 2014 22:24 HaruRH wrote: ... Scumville Gobble I didn't see him do crap with reads. All of them are wishy washy and inconclusive. No promises either. Pooft Throwing reads everywhere, 0 substantiation. Wolf. Obiwan Literally not committing to any scumreads. All his 'scumreads' are either wishy washy or they are just a throwaway read. Artanis Similar to gobble. This may be omgus but if you take away his 'haru scumread', he have an unreadable filter with nothing except 'this guy town' 'this post scum' etc. Also, no promised reads so I won't get to see him post actual content outside of his (desperate) read on me. Yep, not doing crap with reads, wishy washy and inconclusive, no promises given, throwing reads everywhere, 0 substantiation, not committing to any scumreads...guess who that is. I know, it's the person flinging shit at seven people aka HaruRH. | ||
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##Vote: HaruRH | ||
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On August 05 2014 22:55 justanothertownie wrote: I missed this post. He stops by only to tell people "no I am not suspicious". Don't like it. Who do you think should be lynched? read big post above | ||
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On August 05 2014 22:56 marvellosity wrote: answer my question if you missed it please gobbledy. The difference? Do my reads look forced to you here? I'm pretty sure they seemed forced in the mafia games because I was mafia and I had to lie. | ||
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On August 05 2014 23:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Gobble I think your case is bad in that it doesn't explain why Haru is scum, at least the first part doesn't really matter to me. Scum is more likely to invent a bs reason to vote someone rather than just sheeping. I still think the strongest points are:
Adding to this, he seemed over-obsessed on game setup at the beginning. Usually it's the mafias who spend time talking about the game setup and its implications. Since game setup isn't all that important compared to making actual reads, this is scummy because it's a useful way to generate text without it actually being significant. | ||
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On August 05 2014 23:07 HaruRH wrote: wrong. I'm both scumreading and null reading these people. However, I draw the line between 'promised reads' vs 'never posting reads', which pooft is already stating, gobble is already doing. Also, artanis' s sheepvote is unwarranted. This post ^ above is not saying anything conclusive. Yes, from now on, I'm going full throttle. why the fuck would I promise to make a read, either I make a read and I post it, or I don't and you don't get to hear it. | ||
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For those who question my newbiness: It's true I played one game as town on webdiplomacy.net but it was my first ever mafia game, and I got N1 killed. So that's not much help. But I have never played town on TL, and I certainly haven't played anywhere else. | ||
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On August 06 2014 08:09 Holyflare wrote: So yeh i saw the gobbledy ninja vote on vivax after deadline so he's around and should probably explain himself Also the obi hesitancy was really fucking strange 1) I didn't realize it was after deadline until I posted it. 2) I'm in class don't expect me to post every minute 3) I did it because everyone was saying switch, we might no lynch. I didn't count how many votes were on Vivax before I voted because it was one minute to deadline and I was really concerned there would be a no lynch and I should vote asap. Turns out there were enough votes, and also it was too late. | ||
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On August 06 2014 08:45 Tehpoofter wrote: I agree you haven't ever rolled town on TL still. Better luck next game. good luck mislynching me It's pointless to argue with you or kush, you assume I am mafia and then try to fit my posts to your narrative, it's no use to argue. | ||
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On August 06 2014 07:32 kushm4sta wrote: This is gobbles scum meta: Misrepresenting townie actions to make them seem scummy. Here's gobbles misrepresenting haru's mechanics discussion:+ Show Spoiler + On August 04 2014 21:21 gobbledydook wrote: went through haru's filter, not impressed. First there's quite a lot of defending wave from meta-scumread, where his argument is very awkward. Then there's his weird scumread on hf/gk/eden, which I still don't think makes sense, why would you suggest they are acting pro-town therefore are scum? By his logic we should lynch all the most vocal towns first to catch the 'hidden mafia', oh wait, nope they were all town, mafia is laughing to the bank. So what he has said is awkward, misleading, and hasn't actually said much of note. He's on my scumreads right now, but behind Artanis. Here he misrepresents the reasons why Haru called someone scummy: + Show Spoiler + On August 05 2014 22:53 gobbledydook wrote: Here he sheeps on Artanis. The post before the vote he says something really vague that isn't even necessarily correct. Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere. Feel free to go through his filter and read the rest of his cases. Here's a little preview: yup generalized bullshit. and when he gets own to specifics, those specifics are lies. 1. I don't think I am misrepresenting Haru. I believe what I said is completely true, that Haru has been flinging shit around (and flinging more shit after the heat got on him). He's posted little of value apart from giving vague reads on seven different people and discussing to death the implication of this completely vanilla setup. 2. I think kush is town, I don't think mafia kush would come up with something so detailed against me. But he's barking up the wrong tree. | ||
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Regarding tehpoofter of course there's the difference in perspective between me and everyone else reading, I know I'm town and when I call him out he omguses me and generally sheeps kush's arguments without providing any reasoning other than quoting a post and saying 'that's so scum'. To me that's mafia deflecting attention by attacking his attackers. As for some town reads: kush, HF, marv, Eden are strong town reads, strong analysis, very actively trying to scumhunt and prise information from other people. | ||
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On August 06 2014 10:48 Eden1892 wrote: working overnights sucks. i hope i didn't miss anything important and that eod wasn't dramatic or kneejerk Last-fifteen-minute switch onto Vivax who flipped town. So you did miss something important. | ||
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