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Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 12 2014 07:16 GMT
#3841
On August 12 2014 16:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
posting dumb shit.

cite sources pls
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
August 12 2014 07:18 GMT
#3842
I already told you why I wanted to lynch him during the night sequence. Nothing changed and I still want to kill his ass.

Also, this will be the only time I stick around for deadline. Be aware that I'm town and we're going to need to come to a consensus or something.
Retired.
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 12 2014 07:26 GMT
#3843
Make me filter dive you huh!

And we're probably gonna need to do this every deadline from now on, tbh. Just too divergent a player base. Two (Haru and gobble) from Southeast Asia/Oceania (Singapore/Australia), one from Europe (JAT iirc) and four from North America.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 12 2014 07:26 GMT
#3844
And hey wait I thought you were scrapping all your reads after Holyflare flipped town?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
August 12 2014 07:27 GMT
#3845
I did.

Doesn't make what he posted any less stupid.
Retired.
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 12 2014 07:27 GMT
#3846
But we're lynching people who are scum, not stupid, otherwise I'd be self-voting and this would be easy
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
August 12 2014 07:30 GMT
#3847
Jat is being intentionally stupid, though.

Who fucking pushes defensiveness as a scumtell? Besides newbies and guys looking for easy mislynches? I refuse to believe Jat is that bad unintentionally.
Retired.
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 12 2014 07:35 GMT
#3848
He's not wholly wrong, there's just some nuance in assessing a player's defensiveness that a lot of people tend not to be consciously aware of when they talk about it as a scumtell. I don't get the sense that JAT was trying to push something disingenuous... and I definitely don't think it's lynchworthy compared to the other targets that are on my list
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
August 12 2014 07:42 GMT
#3849
You're probably looking into it way too much.

Wharvez. I'll argue about it in the morning/afternoon.
Retired.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
August 12 2014 09:39 GMT
#3850
On August 12 2014 09:03 Eden1892 wrote:
So the fact that goodkarma is voting for me either makes him scum or town throwing the game. Unless he's got a serious case for me being scum there is no excuse for goodkarma to be voting for me. And think about the sequence of posts too, he spends the night demanding that I tell him how I'm going to organize the town then up and votes for me before I get the chance to do so. I'm like one of maybe three people trying to figure out the game state right now.

It all boils down to this honestly. I think Eden is town so if gk is town we literally can't win the game if he continues to vote for him.
On August 12 2014 10:20 Eden1892 wrote:
Everyone who was a significant player in pushing lynches - tbh that's just marv and Holyflare, RIP town this game - is dead now, which means the scumteam was pretty clearly letting the town tear itself apart, like JAT argued earlier. This is pretty significant because we havetwo players alive who were significant lynch targets at some point or another: Haru and gobble. I've been giving gobble a pass for a while because I figured that there's no way the scumteam would let one of their own come under serious fire for that long, that with the absence of strong town direction it would be easy to deflect a lynch elsewhere. But if the mafia also don't have thread presence this argument obviously goes belly-up.

This is true. Gobble is less confirmed than it seemed but I think he is still by no means the lynch for today.
On August 12 2014 11:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm throwing every single one of my reads in the dumpster and starting over. For all intents and purposes, I don't have an opinion on goodkarma as of right now.

I'm going to reread the game and figure out what the fuck is going on.

This sounds good in theory but I don't see where you have done that at all.
On August 12 2014 11:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
If GK doesn't switch his vote at any point today and doesn't listen to reason he essentially forces our hand by making us all vote for him or Eden.

Exactly. And I choose to kill gk in this case.
On August 12 2014 11:37 goodkarma wrote:
You do realize that Eden's pretty tryhard as scum too right? Like that's a super-stupid metric. The guy can make ridiculously long and pointless posts as scum. Can post for pages and pages. Look at his scumgame filter.

I'm sheeping HF and all town should too. Especially compelling reason: I'm town so if you don't we're sure to lose.

How is this a towny mindset? Even without the ridiculous shitflinging at Eden this post almost proves gk is scum.

More comments to come soon.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
August 12 2014 09:45 GMT
#3851
On August 12 2014 11:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2014 11:46 Eden1892 wrote:
The stronger argument for my innocence isn't merely that the effort:payout doesn't make sense, it's the opportunity cost on top of it. As scum I could have not changed anything up and been similarly unquestioned without attracting Holyflare's ire. Considering that's (apparently?) the only reason that you're starting to mull it over now, I would submit that the strategy is plainly suboptimal. You're right that I'm not "confirmed" town but I really do think if I were in your shoes I would be hardcore townreading me and riding that to the end at this point.

And considering Holyflare didn't scumread me at all before the night phase I think we can at least divine that his scumread on me comes from something I did during the night. Which is... push on him, mainly. Maybe that's it? It's my main theory at the moment, although I have a fun pet theory I just came up with:

This is also an incredibly convenient explanation for me but it's something not beyond Holyflare's capacity and supported by his actions at the end when he finally did decide to post: What if Holyflare's "scumread" on me is fake? Notice how he spent the entirety of EoN arguing with Haru and trying to make some final arguments for him being scum, then he says "kill Haru tomorrow 100%." and then throws in a last-second "kill Eden ". The context makes it pretty clear that Haru was his primary scumread, not me. Holyflare has also been intermittently pushing Haru the whole game, and until that post (from what I recall) never outright scumread me. He wanted to on a couple of earlier occasions where I was on his case with kush, but he never did, the way he addressed me was clearly as though I were a townie. I'll go dig up the post(s) that gave me that impression if needed (but not right now leaving for trivia).


Might end up x-posting but what are your thoughts on goodkarma ignoring Holyflare's actual final wishes to vote for me? And the case he made in trying to double down on it?

The bolded is what I assumed he was doing last night and told him to fucking stop, but then why throw it out right before he dies? That is not something you troll town with. Surely you realize that.

Yes. HF would never troll us at the last second if he isn't 100% sure that he is not getting shot. This guy likes to win games.
On August 12 2014 12:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
Who has a good reason to townread Haru right now?

I certainly don't.
On August 12 2014 12:26 goodkarma wrote:
I'm only consolidating on HF candidates. Will only consider Eden and Haru. Since we literally lose if any of our lynches are wrong I suppose it isn't terrible to have two HF-proposed wagons. He was the most competent guy left anyway.

lol, does anyone see this shit? TWO WAGONS? AT 4:3 LYLO? Can we lynch this guy already?
On August 12 2014 12:36 gobbledydook wrote:
People I'm 100% sure town:
Gobbledydook

People I'm 99% sure town:
Eden1892, WaveofShadow

People I'm not that sure of:
JAT

Probably scum:
Obi, Haru

Scum, lynch this fuck now:
goodkarma

Liking gobble as town for his reads. They align with my own if you switch me with him.
On August 12 2014 12:49 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2014 12:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 12 2014 12:41 goodkarma wrote:
@Gobble:

I would disagree. Sheeping grabs tons of attentions for the reasons you've cited. For a disciple of Palmar you could sure do better using his suggestions in context.

Actually I disagree.
It depends entirely on the context of the sheep, who you're sheeping, why, etc.
For example some of the time you can get away with sheeping for no reason while other times if you don't provide a reason you get torn apart.

GD, (I think it was in this game that) marv said something along the lines of knowing when to sheep and when not to is important for town (or townie, or something). DO you believe GK deliberately chose to sheep badly or did what a great deal of other townies have done in this game and simply fucked up?
Can you prove it either way?




GK.
Is Eden scum?


He's been completely useless, but so has Haru... How's that for an answer?

How has Eden been completely useless? Did you even read what was posted at night? This is asinine.
On August 12 2014 12:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
Policy lynching in this game may have cost us already (ie Vivax) and doing it at LYLO is horrible but the fact that you're taking the fun out of this game for me and many other people I imagine by forcing their hands is truly dishonourable.

Vivax was NOT a policy lynch.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
August 12 2014 09:53 GMT
#3852
On August 12 2014 13:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
So none of the people who voted wrong all three times also sheeped three times?
Did JAT have reasons for his votes? GOod ones?
Did Cav and HF?
Did Haru (he's technically wrong 3 times assuming you're town)?

I had good reasons for all my votes. Go look it up if you don't believe me. The only time I really sheeped was day2 when we killed Onegu and I still had different reasons than marvs meta case to kill him.
On August 12 2014 13:49 gobbledydook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2014 13:36 Eden1892 wrote:
Game is suddenly not hard, tybg

Cannot imagine JAT just deciding to scum read 2/3 of his team before LYLO when he did

LYLO policy lynch people who aren't trying so OP


I fell asleep reading JAT's filter of twenty pages of one liners. Then right near the end I see his Vote Association Post. The thing is I could replace obi with JAT and come to the same conclusion. It could actually be a JAT/gk/haru scumteam. I wouldn't count JAT out yet, I could plausibly see this as a bus attempt. Remember mafia have 3 lylos in a row to lose before they die. If bussing 2 obviously shitty scumbuddies secures the win, I don't see why JAT wouldn't go for it.

but first goodkarma dies its obvious.


This is good logic. But if I was on the same scumteam as Haru than I would have been bussing all fucking game.
On August 12 2014 14:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you just made up reasons for your scumreads.

##vote eden

Say what?
On August 12 2014 14:57 Eden1892 wrote:
Your pointed refusal to give a read on goodkarma has everything to do with this game right now because it's so fucking obvious that goodkarma slipped with his "plan" and the fact that you refuse to say anything about it whatsoever is part-and-parcel scum tactic in a situation like this. You don't want to bus your teammate but you don't have the balls to townread him since he's being scummy so you're dancing around on the fence, refusing to give any answer whatsoever and hoping if you ignore it enough it'll go away.

It is really apparent how Obi does not want to talk about gk. He has indeed been refusing to really comment on anything like that since I posted my votecount post. Makes me feel good about this.
On August 12 2014 16:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I still think we should kill Jat for posting dumb shit.

On August 12 2014 16:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I already told you why I wanted to lynch him during the night sequence. Nothing changed and I still want to kill his ass.

Also, this will be the only time I stick around for deadline. Be aware that I'm town and we're going to need to come to a consensus or something.


First of all it isn't dumb. Second of all if this is the best you can come up with for a lynch in LYLO you better be fucking scum.
On August 12 2014 16:16 Eden1892 wrote:
Yo I just realized we're in some serious trouble this game due to time zones + 24hr days. Aside from the obvious shit that everyone needs to post asap, can we all agree to be online an hour before deadline? I'm pretty confident in my scum pile at this point but consolidation could be a really formidable challenge, and I need every one of my townies to fucking be there so we can make SURE we're on the same page.

I will definitely be here.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 12 2014 09:55 GMT
#3853
Counting of votes:

Eden1892 (1): goodkarma, ObiWanShinobi
goodkarma (1): Eden1892, gobbledydook
HaruRH (2): WaveofShadow, Eden1892

Not voting (3): justanothertownie, HaruRH, ObiWanShinobi

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.
Deadline is Tuesday, Aug 12 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ).


+ Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] +

VOTE: goodkarma voted Eden (Eden1892) (post)
VOTE: Eden1892 voted goodkarma (post)
VOTE: gobbledydook voted Goodkarma (goodkarma) (post)
VOTE: WaveofShadow voted HaruRH (post)
VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted goodkarma (post)
VOTE: Eden1892 voted HaruRH (post)
VOTE: ObiWanShinobi voted eden (Eden1892) (post)
VOTE: ObiWanShinobi unvoted Eden1892 (post)
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
August 12 2014 09:56 GMT
#3854
I am willing to bet this game on Eden and Wave being town at this point. Gobble is probably also town but I could be wrong here.
This leaves us with the scumteam: gk, Haru, Obi.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
August 12 2014 09:59 GMT
#3855
Sucks that I am the only eu player left. I will return in the afternoon/evening.
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 12 2014 10:06 GMT
#3856
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh
Omg

[image loading]


Just need Wave to hop on and give his thoughts on likely team to confirm all 4 of us are on same page then pick someone to lynch and go
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 12 2014 10:22 GMT
#3857
Ftr I still propose Haru as the lynch

Just lol @ his "slipping" post
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
August 12 2014 10:50 GMT
#3858
On August 12 2014 19:22 Eden1892 wrote:
Ftr I still propose Haru as the lynch

Just lol @ his "slipping" post


you mean 'sleeping' post
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 12 2014 11:00 GMT
#3859
u sleeptalk brah?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 12 2014 11:00 GMT
#3860
haru used sleeptalk!
haru used selfdestruct!
it doesn't affect eden...
haru fainted!
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
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