World Heavyweight Championship mafia III - Page 194

On August 12 2014 20:32 Eden1892 wrote:
I'm trying to avoid that, lol. I trust you but if for whatever reason the other three of us decide someone else is a better target it would suck to be railroaded into whatever vote you put down. No chance you can set an alarm to be up for at least 15 mins or so before it's over? I know I'm gonna be sleeping through the day here since I worked all night.

On August 12 2014 21:55 Eden1892 wrote:
OK so ever since Haru checked in with his "slipping" post he's made nine posts in a concurrent game. Aforesaid concurrent game is on d1 and he's made some posts trying to figure things out there. I invite everyone to check his filter from that game here and tell me if he looks even half as invested in this game, which is at LYLO, as that game, which is on d1. He's not at all. Only scum in this game have a good reason to prioritize another game that's on d1 over this game at LYLO since scum have 2 more days' insurance.

Furthermore he's actually giving reads there after saying here he doesn't give reads d1. Sounds like an excuse not to give reads here to me

On August 12 2014 22:00 Eden1892 wrote:
Noted, strike that from the record then.

Rephrased: Haru why aren't you doing anything to solve the game at LYLO?

On August 12 2014 12:47 goodkarma wrote:
Like honestly who has done much this game at this point? What would you quantify as productive? We've collectively sheeped Marv days 1/2 and most of us have concluded that Poof/GD was a meaningless town/town bandwagon choice. The person we've sheeped is dead, and lynch three didn't tell much as far as I can see. Scum literally didn't have to do much of anything this game... So how does one find scum motivated behavior when scum didn't literally have to do anything?

On August 12 2014 09:29 goodkarma wrote:
I'm sheeping HF's read. He's the dead townie, and sheeping dead townie was my plan. He did what I suggested, and I'm following my plan.

From everything I've seen, he's a better player than you and the rest of the people here. He totally deserves to be sheeped.

That you're still alive after being townread by many here is also more than a little strange. To be perfectly honest, minus this huge spurt of activity super-late into the game, I don't recall you saying anything meaningful. You've trolled for multiple pages early into the game, deliberabely spammed on numerous occasion and called yourself townie for doing it (showing awareness of the whole nonsensical "he posts a lot therefore he's town" meta people have been following here), and you really haven't tunneled people much. Like you've kinda just gone with the flow and let things happen. I clearly remember you telling me in chat when we hydra'ed you like to tunnel people. I haven't seen anything like this this game. You've been fairly lost much of the game, and I'm convinced that it's been deliberate.


HF clearly had reasons for thinking you're scum if he dies and I agree. You don't just troll-post "kill Eden if I die" at the zero-minute mark before night ends. There was literally ZERO chance that scum had the option to act on that post, and as such HF in his last dying breath gave town a chance to actually push a proper scum lynch today. That chance is you, and I'm sticking with it. Everyone who's town should join it's our best bet.

On August 12 2014 12:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't even need to.
Guy has done absolutely dick all the entire game.
I don't even remember what my case on him D1 said but I bet it still stands.
Marv's townread of him was shit.

He had ONE period where his posts looked super towny at some point yesterday, but then he fucked off and did nothing again.

GK, you don't get off the hook here.
First of all I know I told you to back down, but now that you are I've decided it looks shitty to me.

Are you honestly telling me you didn't see that?

Second of all,

blatant buddying. Not in the mood to be buddied right now since I can't even trust Eden anymore.

And I just remembered, what about JAT? What has that guy done the entire game?

Too many shitty looking people. Even the ones who have decent reason to be town like GD.

On August 12 2014 12:36 gobbledydook wrote:
People I'm 100% sure town:
Gobbledydook

People I'm 99% sure town:
Eden1892, WaveofShadow

People I'm not that sure of:
JAT

Probably scum:
Obi, Haru

Scum, lynch this fuck now:
goodkarma


It's time to recall the lessons of Palmar: if you didn't notice him, he's probably scum. If you noticed him for something really bad, he's probably just a shitty town.

At this point I cannot find a reason to believe Eden or WoS could be mafia. The level of their analysis and effort is not something that I think can be faked. I also *remember* what they said, wave made those 2 epic analysis posts on HF and haru, while eden is eden and he's been pushing reads all game.
JAT is an enigma. He *could* be scum. He's on the townier side for me but it's worrying that without rereading his filter I can't actually remember what he had ever said. He might be a scum that's good at not being noticed.
The remaining 3:
I'm really sure of goodkarma. I can't remember at all what he said in the previous days but it certainly wasn't anything towny.

Upon reread, things he did on day 1:

Defend haru with some handwavey 'mafia generally don't rage hardcore when tunnelled' argument
Ask people 'what is your read'
Sheep onto poofter (We now know poofter is town), then only giving reasoning that's pretty much what everyone else said, after being pressured to give reasoning.
Sheep onto vivax


Look at the case on vivax:



Something's just *wrong* with that post now that I look at it with the knowledge that vivax is town. The logic doesn't sit well with me. The case is literally 'vivax hasn't been tunnelling', which is another handwavey argument that ignores all the reasons why vivax might behave like he did.

Day 2 is just him sheeping onegu but that's not alignment indicative, literally everyone sheeped onegu.

Day 3 is him sheeping poofter and me. Poofter died.

Night 3 he explains why everyone should sheep:



has this guy done literally anything other than sheeping? I expect townies to be able to use their own brains. mafia on the other hand...nothing beats a good sheep. That way you can blame the shepherd when it inevitably mislynches town.

On August 12 2014 12:54 Eden1892 wrote:
As you eloquently put it, gk, WRONG. I could've been better but I'm not useless and nowhere near Haru level. Not even Haru would agree with you.

This dude is just being a belligerent dick at this point, further engagement is not worth the time.

On August 12 2014 12:56 gobbledydook wrote:


It seems pretty right to me.

Let's set the logic out:

Definition: A sheep is a vote that is placed due to trusting someone else. (1)

From 1) it follows that a sheep vote needs little explanation because the explanation is given by the trusted player. (2)

Assumption: Votes should come with an explanation. (3)

From (3) it follows that a non-sheep vote, due to not having an explanation from another source, requires its own explanation. (4)

Assumption: Explanation requires a considerable amount of words. (5)

From (2) (5) and (4) it follows that a sheep vote contains less text than a non sheep vote. (6)

Fact: A post that contains more text takes more time to read. (7)

Assumption: The longer it takes to read something, the more you remember that such text existed. (8)

From (6), (7), (8) it follows that sheep votes are less noticeable than non-sheep votes.

On August 12 2014 14:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't even care about all of your scumreads. I care about your scumread on me.

You came to the decision that I would be your ride-or-die townread if I carried out my reread, but then immediately turned around and read me as scum because I wasn't trying hard enough.

You don't have any actual reasons for the things that you're saying. The progression of your reads don't actually make sense, especially when you turn around and call your top town mafia for the exact reasons you were planning to read them as town.

On August 12 2014 15:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I can see posting any big posts is enough to sway you into thinking someone is town.

I'm just going to go back to not giving a fuck then.

On August 12 2014 15:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
That's not how this game works.

Honestly, you're so dumb.

On August 12 2014 15:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I stand by the fact that you turned around and scumread me for next to no reason after you were so willing to declare that I was your ride-or-die townread.

The fact that my scumread was wrong doesn't really make what you're doing any better.

On August 12 2014 23:35 Eden1892 wrote:
Haru how long are you going to be around for? I'm Adkins for 20mins or so, leaving work.

The Obi "townread" thing is explained a couple pages back - read from p190 I think. If you don't find it by the time I return I'll dig it up. Tl;dr is I faked that to try to encourage him to fucking do something and he didn't do it so I retracted