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On August 12 2014 12:41 goodkarma wrote:
@Gobble:
I would disagree. Sheeping grabs tons of attentions for the reasons you've cited. For a disciple of Palmar you could sure do better using his suggestions in context.
Actually I disagree.
It depends entirely on the context of the sheep, who you're sheeping, why, etc.
For example some of the time you can get away with sheeping for no reason while other times if you don't provide a reason you get torn apart.
GD, (I think it was in this game that) marv said something along the lines of knowing when to sheep and when not to is important for town (or townie, or something). DO you believe GK deliberately chose to sheep badly or did what a great deal of other townies have done in this game and simply fucked up?
Can you prove it either way?
GK.
Is Eden scum?
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On August 12 2014 12:45 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 12:41 goodkarma wrote:
@Gobble:
I would disagree. Sheeping grabs tons of attentions for the reasons you've cited. For a disciple of Palmar you could sure do better using his suggestions in context. Literally the point of sheeping is to not have to make a long ass post describing why the wagon you're on is scum. Long posts are harder to hide than short sheep posts. I don't see how sheeping is *more* noticeable than making actual cases. Please try again.
This entire post is wrong.
You try again.
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Like honestly who has done much this game at this point? What would you quantify as productive? We've collectively sheeped Marv days 1/2 and most of us have concluded that Poof/GD was a meaningless town/town bandwagon choice. The person we've sheeped is dead, and lynch three didn't tell much as far as I can see. Scum literally didn't have to do much of anything this game... So how does one find scum motivated behavior when scum didn't literally have to do anything?
Quite a quandary. And if you want to mislynch me and end the game that's your choice. I would love to be more helpful but honestly I'm a bit stymied. I trust confirmedtown dead HF far more than I trust any of you right now. So who you want to lynch: Eden or Haru?
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I don't care what your answer is dude rofl
You want to convince me otherwise you could try figuring out who the mafia are
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On August 12 2014 12:42 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 12:38 Eden1892 wrote:On August 12 2014 12:33 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 12 2014 12:31 Eden1892 wrote:On August 12 2014 12:26 goodkarma wrote:On August 12 2014 12:19 Eden1892 wrote:
I'll switch to Haru over goodkarma.
##UNVOTE: goodkarma
##VOTE: HaruRH That was certainly fast. Not really, my theory that you two are both scum looks hella good right now What does GK gain as scum by acting in this way Eden? Stalling Throwing town for a loop Drawing townies into arguments that go nowhere (and can't go anywhere) ?Possibly? deliberate appeal to self-meta Better than the alternative, short of overly-indulgent schadenfreude (which is NOT who I pegged goodkarma for), a townie gains nothing out of his approach Stalling? That's a pretty stupid reason. You do realize I'm only here the next few hours right? And that evenings are the only times I can spend in earnest to this game beyond the cursory random post. WRONG Try again.
I probably spend less time on mafia than you do (it reflects in the number of pages in my filter) and I've been on the noose for quite a while. And I actually haven't just gone about stalling, I actually make reads.
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On August 12 2014 12:45 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 12:41 goodkarma wrote:
@Gobble:
I would disagree. Sheeping grabs tons of attentions for the reasons you've cited. For a disciple of Palmar you could sure do better using his suggestions in context. Actually I disagree. It depends entirely on the context of the sheep, who you're sheeping, why, etc. For example some of the time you can get away with sheeping for no reason while other times if you don't provide a reason you get torn apart. GD, (I think it was in this game that) marv said something along the lines of knowing when to sheep and when not to is important for town (or townie, or something). DO you believe GK deliberately chose to sheep badly or did what a great deal of other townies have done in this game and simply fucked up? Can you prove it either way? GK. Is Eden scum?
He's been completely useless, but so has Haru... How's that for an answer?
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On August 12 2014 12:48 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 12:42 goodkarma wrote:On August 12 2014 12:38 Eden1892 wrote:On August 12 2014 12:33 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 12 2014 12:31 Eden1892 wrote:On August 12 2014 12:26 goodkarma wrote:On August 12 2014 12:19 Eden1892 wrote:
I'll switch to Haru over goodkarma.
##UNVOTE: goodkarma
##VOTE: HaruRH That was certainly fast. Not really, my theory that you two are both scum looks hella good right now What does GK gain as scum by acting in this way Eden? Stalling Throwing town for a loop Drawing townies into arguments that go nowhere (and can't go anywhere) ?Possibly? deliberate appeal to self-meta Better than the alternative, short of overly-indulgent schadenfreude (which is NOT who I pegged goodkarma for), a townie gains nothing out of his approach Stalling? That's a pretty stupid reason. You do realize I'm only here the next few hours right? And that evenings are the only times I can spend in earnest to this game beyond the cursory random post. WRONG Try again. I probably spend less time on mafia than you do (it reflects in the number of pages in my filter) and I've been on the noose for quite a while. And I actually haven't just gone about stalling, I actually make reads.
I've already clearly stated who I'm lynching: Eden or Haru. Deal with it.
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On August 12 2014 12:47 goodkarma wrote:
Like honestly who has done much this game at this point? What would you quantify as productive? We've collectively sheeped Marv days 1/2 and most of us have concluded that Poof/GD was a meaningless town/town bandwagon choice. The person we've sheeped is dead, and lynch three didn't tell much as far as I can see. Scum literally didn't have to do much of anything this game... So how does one find scum motivated behavior when scum didn't literally have to do anything?
Quite a quandary. And if you want to mislynch me and end the game that's your choice. I would love to be more helpful but honestly I'm a bit stymied. I trust confirmedtown dead HF far more than I trust any of you right now. So who you want to lynch: Eden or Haru?
I am really tempted to get this town to force the lynch on you as you seem to want. I really don't appreciate play like this if you're town. At all. Reminds me of the kind of shit I've raged at Onegu and gumshoe about.
Of course it's entirely possible you are scum in which case this is a big game of chicken for you. Hell it kind of is anyway regardless of your alignment.
Policy lynching in this game may have cost us already (ie Vivax) and doing it at LYLO is horrible but the fact that you're taking the fun out of this game for me and many other people I imagine by forcing their hands is truly dishonourable.
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As you eloquently put it, gk, WRONG. I could've been better but I'm not useless and nowhere near Haru level. Not even Haru would agree with you.
This dude is just being a belligerent dick at this point, further engagement is not worth the time.
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I really don't feel like by lynching him we're lynching scum, but I don't want to let this go.
Maybe I let it go for now and we see later. I could be wrong. I want a weigh in from your butt-buddy JAT and Cav as well.
Like I want GK out of my game now, and I'd rather it be because he is scum.
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On August 12 2014 12:46 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 12:45 gobbledydook wrote:On August 12 2014 12:41 goodkarma wrote:
@Gobble:
I would disagree. Sheeping grabs tons of attentions for the reasons you've cited. For a disciple of Palmar you could sure do better using his suggestions in context. Literally the point of sheeping is to not have to make a long ass post describing why the wagon you're on is scum. Long posts are harder to hide than short sheep posts. I don't see how sheeping is *more* noticeable than making actual cases. Please try again. This entire post is wrong. You try again.
It seems pretty right to me.
Let's set the logic out:
Definition: A sheep is a vote that is placed due to trusting someone else. (1)
From 1) it follows that a sheep vote needs little explanation because the explanation is given by the trusted player. (2)
Assumption: Votes should come with an explanation. (3)
From (3) it follows that a non-sheep vote, due to not having an explanation from another source, requires its own explanation. (4)
Assumption: Explanation requires a considerable amount of words. (5)
From (2) (5) and (4) it follows that a sheep vote contains less text than a non sheep vote. (6)
Fact: A post that contains more text takes more time to read. (7)
Assumption: The longer it takes to read something, the more you remember that such text existed. (8)
From (6), (7), (8) it follows that sheep votes are less noticeable than non-sheep votes.
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Anyway that is tangential to the discussion at hand, which is that goodkarma is chainsawing us now because he's caught.
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On August 12 2014 12:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
I really don't feel like by lynching him we're lynching scum, but I don't want to let this go.
Maybe I let it go for now and we see later. I could be wrong. I want a weigh in from your butt-buddy JAT and Cav as well.
Like I want GK out of my game now, and I'd rather it be because he is scum.
No. Step back and reassess. Don't give into the bullshit.
Make sure you're voting scum, not mad.
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Ok I honestly didn't read that convoluted shit, but
A) There are multiple reasons to sheep. One is because of what you said, laziness. Another is because you simply don't know what to do and trust someone.
B) Long posts are not harder to hide at all. Look at my case on Haru. Want to go back and see how many people commented on it or me when I posted it? Now if marv wasn't all marv-y and arrogant I would certainly imagine having the entire town jump aboard his lynch would set off some alarm bells. Sheeping certainly does grab attention at times, and doesn't in others. It's entirely based on context.
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On August 12 2014 12:57 gobbledydook wrote:
Anyway that is tangential to the discussion at hand, which is that goodkarma is chainsawing us now because he's caught.
I'm sorry.
What?
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On August 12 2014 12:53 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 12:47 goodkarma wrote:
Like honestly who has done much this game at this point? What would you quantify as productive? We've collectively sheeped Marv days 1/2 and most of us have concluded that Poof/GD was a meaningless town/town bandwagon choice. The person we've sheeped is dead, and lynch three didn't tell much as far as I can see. Scum literally didn't have to do much of anything this game... So how does one find scum motivated behavior when scum didn't literally have to do anything?
Quite a quandary. And if you want to mislynch me and end the game that's your choice. I would love to be more helpful but honestly I'm a bit stymied. I trust confirmedtown dead HF far more than I trust any of you right now. So who you want to lynch: Eden or Haru? I am really tempted to get this town to force the lynch on you as you seem to want. I really don't appreciate play like this if you're town. At all. Reminds me of the kind of shit I've raged at Onegu and gumshoe about. Of course it's entirely possible you are scum in which case this is a big game of chicken for you. Hell it kind of is anyway regardless of your alignment. Policy lynching in this game may have cost us already (ie Vivax) and doing it at LYLO is horrible but the fact that you're taking the fun out of this game for me and many other people I imagine by forcing their hands is truly dishonourable.
I trust HF more than myself right now to have figured out this game. I'm sheeping him. I don't see that being any more dishonorable than sheeping Marv.
On August 12 2014 12:54 Eden1892 wrote:
As you eloquently put it, gk, WRONG. I could've been better but I'm not useless and nowhere near Haru level. Not even Haru would agree with you.
This dude is just being a belligerent dick at this point, further engagement is not worth the time.
Have it your way. Let it be known that I'm lynching Eden or Haru. Good night.
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On August 12 2014 13:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
Cav.
GK.
Go.
What?
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He says "Haru or Eden" because of Holyflare but then parks his vote (a) not on the guy Holyflare said to kill today and (b) the guy who doesn't have any other votes and (c) the guy who isn't going to let himself get mislynched no matter what.
Pretty scummy.
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