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Eden1892
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Eden1892
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Vivax voters: goodkarma - null. Was on Vivax wagon before it was a town indicator, wasn't around at EOD. Holyflare - town. Pushed the shit out of Vivax wagon. marvellosity - town. I misremembered marv's filter when I was describing my reservations to Wave. marv's thought process and post progression looks genuine here. justanothertownie - town. Same as above minus the misremembering. Artanis[Xp] - town. Same as above. In particular the comment shortly after the lynch about Vivax meta that was "out of frustration" looked townie to me. HaruRH - null. Switched last second to save himself. ObiWanShinobi - scum. Waffled forever and seemed way too worried about how he looked. Only switched because he got browbeaten into it to avoid an NL. Tehpoofter - null. Switched last second to avoid an NL. gobbledydook voters: Vivax - [town] kushm4sta - null. Stood his ground on the wagon he was pushing. Until we know the alignment of gobbledydook it's hard to say whether or not this is a good thing or bad thing. HaruRH voters: WaveofShadow - null. Wasn't around for EOD. gobbledydook - null. Wasn't around for EOD except to make a last-second failed switch to Vivax to avoid NL. Eden1892 - null. Wasn't around for EOD. Combined with earlier impressions... /towncircle Co. Eden1892 Holyflare marvellosity justanothertownie Artanis[Xp]/Onegu Tehpoofter kushm4sta /kill Circle Co. ObiWanShinobi HaruRH goodkarma gobbledydook WaveofShadow Right now Wave is trending toward /towncircle Co. pretty hard and I think I want to just kill down the line there. | ||
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Eden1892
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It's patently false that I said no one on the Vivax wagon could be mafia. I explicitly named half of the people on it as scum or null. I'm not sure what you're hoping to accomplish with your current angle. You know good and well it's not going to convince me of anything, and as far as I can tell it's not convincing anybody else, either (although admittedly there's only been one person, Wave, online to comment). | ||
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On August 06 2014 15:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: If a bunch of people you think are scum are on the Vivax wagon, then it is not a town-driven wagon. Honestly, I'm going to take a break from posting for a while because both of you are frustrating me. Do you not understand what the driven part of that means? It means the mafia didn't put in active legwork to make it happen. Town did. If you want to just play numbers and ignore the context (which is an elementary mistake in the first place, but since you're going there...), eight people voted for Vivax and there are only three mafia, so the wagon is town-driven by default. But that's not an interesting or useful conclusion. What is useful is analyzing the motive for town to form such a wagon last-minute as opposed to mafia. I've argued extensively why I think the town motive is much more plausible than the scum motive and you haven't begun to address any of it. In reverse, so far you've only argued that it added to the confusion - which really isn't true - and that it removed a competent late-game player - which I can't validate for accuracy either way, but even assuming it is true, is a pretty weak motive to me when weighed against the motives I gave for mafia not to do it earlier. Hence, I think the main drivers of the wagon, Holyflare and marvellosity, are town, as were their two helpers justanothertownie and Artanis. | ||
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Eden1892
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On August 06 2014 15:58 WaveofShadow wrote: if you want to speak purely in majority terms, simply the fact that 8 people voted for Vivax and that there are only 3 scum means it IS a town-driven wagon. my ninja | ||
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Eden1892
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I am going to keep on with my analysis, because I think it makes sense, and I want to solve the game. You can pout in the corner about how mad I make you and how you don't want to play with me, and then point the finger if you are town and we end up losing because of me, if you want, but if you are town, then in the end we win or lose together. If you want to win, then you're going to have to live with it, because I'm not going to change the way I play the game to appease you. I've got a game to win, and I don't care if you're on my side or not, I'm not going to let you stand in my way. If you have something to contribute then by all means go ahead, but I don't have time for the insults and the whining. | ||
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Eden1892
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Regarding the other two, I can see Haru as a reasonable lynch, although he's second on the list for me after Obi. Haru feels a little more sincere to me. I could kill either but I want Obi first. I understand where you (and some others) have been coming from re: Poofter but I'm pretty sure he's town. Call it a gut read I guess, I don't even have scum priors so I can't really speak to much authority on this point, but he just seems too carefree to be scum. You look at the stuff that he's done like the BMK reads, and sure it's something scum could plausibly do, but I feel like it's not something scum think to do, if that makes sense. I could be projecting because I know I get super serious when I play scum, but it's just difficult to be relaxed and do silly shit like that when you're constantly trying to avoid scrutiny. Remember the boring tell you cited earlier? I don't think Poofter has been boring at all. | ||
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Eden1892
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Eden1892
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Any of that sound right to you? In particular lets lynch Obi, ja? | ||
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Eden1892
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Phone posting sux | ||
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Eden1892
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(All the married women be like "AMEN") | ||
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Eden1892
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You can't see them both town? It's not that uncommon to be off track d1. See: last game where both Slamroot (lmao this is saved on my phone) and Harubear were town. I like to think we were on track at some point but it wouldn't surprise me if not. Last turn was hard | ||
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Eden1892
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Hf what you think of Obi/me and Obi argument/my thought process on Vivax wagon/whatever else | ||
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Eden1892
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I'm kinda there too now that I look at my list. If there's one it's Haru IMO but I'm not sure | ||
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Eden1892
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I mean do you buy which people I call town and which null/scum? There were eight people on it after all, plenty of room to disagree | ||
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Eden1892
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Part of why Obi's "Vivax lynch was bad because confusion" thing didn't sit with me. Yeah it fucked up what might be a scum lynch, but that d1 wasn't so bad. I don't think it added any confusion, actually gave more answers than questions for me | ||
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Eden1892
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Scum motive: ??? Could have stayed Adkins and blamed timezone | ||
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I meant afk | ||
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