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Oh, it's ok. I don't have school until monday so I should be around for most of the day. EOD is 12 midnight for me which is convenient. As weird as it sounds I'm often asleep by then, because I had some 8am starts this week.
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On August 01 2014 15:04 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 15:02 meatpudding wrote:
Oh, it's ok. I don't have school until monday so I should be around for most of the day. EOD is 12 midnight for me which is convenient. As weird as it sounds I'm often asleep by then, because I had some 8am starts this week. Let's start by you letting us know who the final mafia is. Still me? lawl.
Gw on catching him btw. You only sheeped poof's vote but I'll bang you for that. I have a feeling about my MBK... but right now I'd like to see more from GB and lilwade.
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On August 01 2014 15:02 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 14:39 JennyHell wrote:On August 01 2014 14:32 GlowingBear wrote:On August 01 2014 14:25 Teemursu wrote:
At this point I kind of wish we could speed up the game and go on a rampage killing meat and maybe Seeyalater. Meatpudding should concede. He is mafia and he is going to die. GB, you're the biggest fucking flip flopper I've ever witnessed. First you create a rhyme that says how much meat is going to die, then you change your vote from meat to DC and when it turns out DC was mafia you claim you're confirmed, and start saying that meat is a blue, and now you're back to wanting him dead? I dno what the hell you're doing, and it's rubbing me the wrong way. Nothing wrong with flipping reads. To be honest, I won my games doing that correctly at least once on each... I was clearly joking about him being blue... Look, I've explained the reason I switched vote to 666 and to be fair I could hammer a mafia. 666 voted for meatpudding so if I kept my vote on meatpudding we would have a hard time trying to figure out who to push here. Meatpudding has got a ton of posts that indicates he is scum with 666, and now I'm talking about flipped associations.
If you'd like to do that, take the time to understand why I was defending 666's argument. He wasn't the only one to say that, maybe he was sheeping from what was being said by others. Well I thought he was right and at the time he was town to me. I still think Teemu's vibe is to argue against other's reads but making too few insightful reads himself. And finally about 666, I thought he put forward a better case than anyone did against him. Town needs to step it up!
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On August 01 2014 15:08 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 14:02 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 14:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:One final edit: NVM forgot I had a dom4 turn to finish lol. Must script my armies of blood-sacrificing NORSE elves and werewolves to murder the undead hordes of the Romans, and gay Greek hoplites. Also Spanish Inquisition. That's an important point I missed. Lol. And I have less time this game. EOD is 12 midnight my time, which is convenient. As weird as is sounds I might be asleep by then because I have some 8am starts during the week. Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 15:02 meatpudding wrote:
Oh, it's ok. I don't have school until monday so I should be around for most of the day. EOD is 12 midnight for me which is convenient. As weird as it sounds I'm often asleep by then, because I had some 8am starts this week. Why does it sound so weird? Actually, this does sound so weird.
LOL. I said the exact same thing twice. I guess I wasn't sure if I posted it...
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On August 01 2014 15:14 JennyHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 15:12 meatpudding wrote:On August 01 2014 15:02 GlowingBear wrote:On August 01 2014 14:39 JennyHell wrote:On August 01 2014 14:32 GlowingBear wrote:On August 01 2014 14:25 Teemursu wrote:
At this point I kind of wish we could speed up the game and go on a rampage killing meat and maybe Seeyalater. Meatpudding should concede. He is mafia and he is going to die. GB, you're the biggest fucking flip flopper I've ever witnessed. First you create a rhyme that says how much meat is going to die, then you change your vote from meat to DC and when it turns out DC was mafia you claim you're confirmed, and start saying that meat is a blue, and now you're back to wanting him dead? I dno what the hell you're doing, and it's rubbing me the wrong way. Nothing wrong with flipping reads. To be honest, I won my games doing that correctly at least once on each... I was clearly joking about him being blue... Look, I've explained the reason I switched vote to 666 and to be fair I could hammer a mafia. 666 voted for meatpudding so if I kept my vote on meatpudding we would have a hard time trying to figure out who to push here. Meatpudding has got a ton of posts that indicates he is scum with 666, and now I'm talking about flipped associations. If you'd like to do that, take the time to understand why I was defending 666's argument. He wasn't the only one to say that, maybe he was sheeping from what was being said by others. Well I thought he was right and at the time he was town to me. I still think Teemu's vibe is to argue against other's reads but making too few insightful reads himself. And finally about 666, I thought he put forward a better case than anyone did against him. Town needs to step it up! Pardon?
Pardon if I missed it, but I didn't see anyone put forward a good case about 666.
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On August 01 2014 15:37 Teemursu wrote:
inb4 Tolkien is mafia because perfect information.
lel
What, he could even predict that GB would switch with or without him? Hm...
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On August 01 2014 15:41 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 15:17 meatpudding wrote:On August 01 2014 15:14 JennyHell wrote:On August 01 2014 15:12 meatpudding wrote:On August 01 2014 15:02 GlowingBear wrote:On August 01 2014 14:39 JennyHell wrote:On August 01 2014 14:32 GlowingBear wrote:On August 01 2014 14:25 Teemursu wrote:
At this point I kind of wish we could speed up the game and go on a rampage killing meat and maybe Seeyalater. Meatpudding should concede. He is mafia and he is going to die. GB, you're the biggest fucking flip flopper I've ever witnessed. First you create a rhyme that says how much meat is going to die, then you change your vote from meat to DC and when it turns out DC was mafia you claim you're confirmed, and start saying that meat is a blue, and now you're back to wanting him dead? I dno what the hell you're doing, and it's rubbing me the wrong way. Nothing wrong with flipping reads. To be honest, I won my games doing that correctly at least once on each... I was clearly joking about him being blue... Look, I've explained the reason I switched vote to 666 and to be fair I could hammer a mafia. 666 voted for meatpudding so if I kept my vote on meatpudding we would have a hard time trying to figure out who to push here. Meatpudding has got a ton of posts that indicates he is scum with 666, and now I'm talking about flipped associations. If you'd like to do that, take the time to understand why I was defending 666's argument. He wasn't the only one to say that, maybe he was sheeping from what was being said by others. Well I thought he was right and at the time he was town to me. I still think Teemu's vibe is to argue against other's reads but making too few insightful reads himself. And finally about 666, I thought he put forward a better case than anyone did against him. Town needs to step it up! Pardon? Pardon if I missed it, but I didn't see anyone put forward a good case about 666. Why are you stuck on there not being a long post of why 666 was mafia? It's like, do you need a justification for why we lynched 666 and because you don't see one, it was unrightly for us to lynch him or something? There was a lot of suspicion on him because of he did scummy things and Banks (and I think lilwayne) called him out on them, in addition, he was very inactive. He was one of the better lynch candidates, and say, we just happened to be lucky and hit on mafia. Why do you now sound like you have a problem with that?
I think it's important like who was pushing it and who was indecisive? And then among those who pushed it what here they trying to say. Jenny for example feels a little less towny because she didn't argue as well as she had shown earlier.
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On August 01 2014 16:02 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 15:58 meatpudding wrote:On August 01 2014 15:41 Teemursu wrote:On August 01 2014 15:17 meatpudding wrote:On August 01 2014 15:14 JennyHell wrote:On August 01 2014 15:12 meatpudding wrote:On August 01 2014 15:02 GlowingBear wrote:On August 01 2014 14:39 JennyHell wrote:On August 01 2014 14:32 GlowingBear wrote:On August 01 2014 14:25 Teemursu wrote:
At this point I kind of wish we could speed up the game and go on a rampage killing meat and maybe Seeyalater. Meatpudding should concede. He is mafia and he is going to die. GB, you're the biggest fucking flip flopper I've ever witnessed. First you create a rhyme that says how much meat is going to die, then you change your vote from meat to DC and when it turns out DC was mafia you claim you're confirmed, and start saying that meat is a blue, and now you're back to wanting him dead? I dno what the hell you're doing, and it's rubbing me the wrong way. Nothing wrong with flipping reads. To be honest, I won my games doing that correctly at least once on each... I was clearly joking about him being blue... Look, I've explained the reason I switched vote to 666 and to be fair I could hammer a mafia. 666 voted for meatpudding so if I kept my vote on meatpudding we would have a hard time trying to figure out who to push here. Meatpudding has got a ton of posts that indicates he is scum with 666, and now I'm talking about flipped associations. If you'd like to do that, take the time to understand why I was defending 666's argument. He wasn't the only one to say that, maybe he was sheeping from what was being said by others. Well I thought he was right and at the time he was town to me. I still think Teemu's vibe is to argue against other's reads but making too few insightful reads himself. And finally about 666, I thought he put forward a better case than anyone did against him. Town needs to step it up! Pardon? Pardon if I missed it, but I didn't see anyone put forward a good case about 666. Why are you stuck on there not being a long post of why 666 was mafia? It's like, do you need a justification for why we lynched 666 and because you don't see one, it was unrightly for us to lynch him or something? There was a lot of suspicion on him because of he did scummy things and Banks (and I think lilwayne) called him out on them, in addition, he was very inactive. He was one of the better lynch candidates, and say, we just happened to be lucky and hit on mafia. Why do you now sound like you have a problem with that? I think it's important like who was pushing it and who was indecisive? And then among those who pushed it what here they trying to say. Jenny for example feels a little less towny because she didn't argue as well as she had shown earlier. Then you should look at that and work on figuring it out, instead of complaining that there wasn't a case on 666 and that "town should step it up".
Aye aye, captn.
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On August 01 2014 16:09 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 18:08 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 18:02 JennyHell wrote:On July 31 2014 17:53 meatpudding wrote:
Jenny, if you love Banks would you even consider banging Roman Numerals? That's what you decided to take from it? My list isn't sheeped off of anyone elses reads, I decided to make up my own mind about things, hence I am willing to bang seeya, but Banks isn't. If I felt that DC was acting towny enough for me to read him as town, then yeah I'd bang the shit out of him with no regards to my husband. I wanted to make sure because he wasn't on your list. Important for me to see where your standing is. What I really wanted to ask is how well do you think of him as a wagon? Meat, I want you to have some followup on this interaction. You asked a bunch of questions and disappeared EOD when you could've possibly get lynched. Why is/was Jenny's read on 666 so important to you?
This was all because I couldn't trust Banks' assessment alone. I was looking for someone who was here to make some insight. There was a swing in voting before the wagon settled on numbers.
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Here's my M/B/K and where I'm starting from d2.
To be declared a union under holy matrimony
Banks - The most espoused in town. His vote critical to the lynch. The only way he's mafia is if he's trying to solo the game. (Sure I wouldn't rule it out)
Make you breakfast
Teemu - 666's case on you makes no sense if you're mafia. Post some reads yourself instead of only arguing what others have posted.
Tolkien - Just another face in the crowd. I would lean town, but I feel it's too early. You've been bumped up for landing the hammer vote.
Just one dance
Jenny - I still feel pretty safe around you but not as much on before. I think your analysis is usually good but it was lacking at the end of d1. If you thought DC was scum you didn't try to argue it.
GB - I think you should be focusing on who's in your town circle before I put you in mine. You're playing a bit inconsistent and when you are serious it seems too serious and mafia contrived.
lilwade - I was a bit cautious on reading you d1. Also you were able to go under the radar for the most part. I think we should get to know each other a little better.
Leave you in a ditch
cya -
On August 01 2014 12:31 Seeyalater wrote:
Meatpudding- I'm going to stick to my guns on MP, mainly because I still don't like his push on Teemu last night. I feel like, he would almost have to be donkey mafia to continue to try to save his mafia partner even though Clockwork had basically dug his own grave and thrown himself in it, but at the same time, how could he not see the logic between the clockwork push? He was also one like Clockwork, who seemed to dissapear out of nowhere in the last few hours, unlike everyone else who always let everyone know when they will be heading off.
If there was logic behind the clockwork push, I didn't see it. You were there before I dropped off, so anyone had the chance to argue but you didn't. You pushed no case for Numbers Guy and then try and switch focus after the flip. Scum I say.
On July 31 2014 18:17 Seeyalater wrote:
Man, this vote is hard. I honestly can't say I'm a fan of either Clockwork or Meat, but who to hammer before bed.
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On August 01 2014 22:10 Teemursu wrote:
Also, Haru should be modkilled for editing a post.
Haru can;t be modelled, he's a cop.
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Oh good morning. Anyone around? I'll take this question from poofl.
On August 02 2014 06:29 Tehpoofter wrote:
Can you just walk me through your thought process of where you were at when you were making the decision not to vote on someone to survive and what posts you've made that you think I should read you townie from? Who should I be pushing on?
If you have already said these things please do them again. We need to get organized as town and not let mafia coast so proving your towniness is paramount.
You're thinking in reverse. It's about who didn't vote.
Also, reading Teemu's filter make me think it was likely mafia. He posts sead end questions. It would have been more helpful to town to analyse what had gone on up to the events, instead of fake claiming medic and being aggressive without trying to back it up.
I'd be pushing on lilwade, GB and cya today.
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On August 02 2014 11:15 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 11:07 GlowingBear wrote:
You're ignoring my reasoning and you still think I'm silly, there's nothing I can do. I hope that if I die you reevaluate your reads I read what you have to say. I want to hear other people talk. I've been talking a lot LIL WAYNE TEEMU SEEYA MEATPROPANE SAY SOMETHING
Banks is going crazy. Too bad you lost your wife mate. I think LT is townies, but luckiest. I don't like Bear's tunnelling on me. There are too many loose ends. I like that you made a case on everyone in the game. Cya and lilwade need to talk more. Teemu I'd deduce is green.
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Hi guys. Good morning.
I'm starting to think seeya might be on track. So for now
##Vote: GlowingBear
I'be been wary of GB for a while. I think there is a tone to your posts, that make me feel you are not going o win with the town.
Tolkien and lilwade, I would be looking at you 2 as well.
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On August 03 2014 06:22 Seeyalater wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 06:18 meatpudding wrote:
Hi guys. Good morning.
I'm starting to think seeya might be on track. So for now
##Vote: GlowingBear
I'be been wary of GB for a while. I think there is a tone to your posts, that make me feel you are not going o win with the town.
Tolkien and lilwade, I would be looking at you 2 as well. Is... is that it?
Is ii what?
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On August 03 2014 06:19 Seeyalater wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 05:52 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 02 2014 15:31 Seeyalater wrote:Alright after rereading everything that's happened so far since the successful day 1 lynch this is currently where I currently stand. Bang- Poofter- Alright I give up. If you really are mafia this game, then you can have my babies, because even I just can't see you being mafia when you've been very consice about everything and have looked at everything objectively. Plus with Jenny-chan dead, I really don't think you would kill someone who would probably defend you to the death when someone tried to push scum on you. Don't think if anyone's brought that up, but since most of the players here know you, its also a very anti-Poofter kill as well. Not only that, but all your cases are awesome and basically bring up the status quo of where we are right now. Now you might think this is only me trying to get you to stop your push on me, but on the contrary, I like the fair and equal pushing you are doing on everyone. Tolkien- Still high in my town list for always being objective. Also one of the few people to see me for what I am, a donkey town. Some bonus points for being the hammer vote at the end of the day 1. your post On August 01 2014 22:47 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Random collection of thoughts:
I'm fairly certain DC was bussed. Given he had literally no defense of himself, either he gave up when the jig was up, so to speak, or was deliberately dying to advance mafia interests. Or perhaps abit of both, idk. But literally posting nothing but a vote change is about as white flag and suspicious as all hell, and leads me to conclude he was bussed.
Two possibilities: Either it's to deflect from meatpudding, who was a mafia power role and thus preferential to keep alive if both are up for lynch (but that assumes we lucked out on two mafia bandwagons D1: something I feel isn't very likely, and that mafia has a power role, which isnt confirmed and is thus speculation), or to cover for someone who is now currently on the DC train. I'm scrutinizing GB, but there seems little incentive to swap so late after the silence from DC was seriously deafening, or to be the "decisive vote" (how he was painted that I have no idea).
Assuming he was bussed then, either this was a pre-meditated part of mafia strategy (and mafia could've even started the wagon) since as a D1 mafia kill, this was too "easy", or spur of the moment. It significantly impacts who's under the microscope on the vote list, I think.
Or perhaps its super WIFOM and the mafia stayed on meat, but given how there was no defense of DC, it makes little/no sense.
I'm actually looking at TehPoofter again given the possibility of bussing here. But given a votelist analysis under the assumption of bussing, without ANY prior reads I'd say the following.
People who should be a D2 wagon:
Meatpudding (unless things change drastically, step it up)
People who are suspicious as all hell:
GB
Me (even tho confirmed town)
People who should be reviewed carefully:
Banks
Jenny
lilwade
People who are most likely stupid town (like srs, DC put up no defense whatsoever):
Teemu
Seeya
If you're mafia, fuck you. Everything's locked in. :D Is probably the most concise d2 post I've seen looking at objectively. Yes others have said basically nearly the same thing, but you put it in the best terms, and bonus points for not calling anyone "town" Lilwade- not much has changed here since N1 where I had you high on my town list for being the first to hammer Clockwork, but have much like me, your involvement d2 has been very sporadic so I'll leave you here for now. Bang Teemu- Still have you leaning town. I feel like, our relationship this game started off as bitter rivals, and has now transformed as two lovers joined together by the power of the donkey. This is going to sound like sheeping, but although you are very active and propose good questions, you seem about as confused as I am to this whole thing. Basically after my push on you in day 1, and realizing how bad it was, I've basically turned lethargic and went from long posts trying to find scum in you, to sheeping a good amount of thoughts, which is what I feel you have done as well(though not as badly as me). Kill- These are basically the two scenarios I have left when it comes to these two. The first is the very obvious MP- not much to be said here. If he is the last mafia, he got really unlucky and rolled mafia with another lurker and basically tried during his few active moments to first appear town by trying to make consise reads(which he never delivered). When that failed due probably to lack of information, his strategy moved to pushing on Teemu, since the only other push availible other than his partner was himself, which left him between a rock and a hard place. Again since he wasn't around much, he probably just remembered the push that was going on Teemu d1, and tried to go back in time when that was a very hot topic to push on Teemu. However sadly for him, our time travel devices had a short fuse and did not go back in time with him, so his desperate push has lead nowhere. Another thing I've noticed about him in the past couple days. These guy has basically no town circle. I've gone through his filter and there are no real posts where he either tries to match his opinions on others, or talk about who he thinks are town. He's playing like he's the last man left alive in town, when in reality there's a high chance he's the last man alright, but the last mafia man. Then we have Glowingbear- I've usually had GB on my neutral to scum list- mainly because as others have stated, his posting style changes quite a bit from time to time. My theory on this is basically he's trying to play two different personalities this game. There's his blending into town personality, where he posts in a friendly demeanor, such as at the start of day, or at the beginning of the game. But then every now and then, it shifts into the other, scum slinging, hyper defensive personality. For example, just after day 1 we've had a few examples of this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=39#776 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=41#816 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=42#827 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=51#1016. What do these posts have in common? Paranoia. And not paranoia about someone else being mafia, its paranoia about others seeing HIM as mafia. That could be him as town being shocked that his "super" townie play is being questioned, but these reactions have been awful. Also, while I may post a lot of fluff as some people say, if you go through GB's filter, he really doesn't bring much to the table either. His biggest "case" against someone was his very flawed case about me and Jenny. At first I thought of this as just being a donkey town case, but I don't think I can anymore. He also seemed extremely proud to have been the one to hammer Clockwork, and seemed paranoid being getting n1'd for it, but when others brought to light that it wasn't him that brought the hammer, it also makes that reaction bad. My guess if he is the last mafia? He realized very early D1 that it was going to be a very hard game since clockwork had basically done nothing to their side in almost all of day 1, and caught a chance to ride the bus on him with Poof and Jenny to appear supper town, and bussed his teammate hoping to fool everyone and coast to victory having fooled town. That also explains his super confused posts above about him being considered for lynch, since what he thought was a great plan, was not as flawless as he thought. Plus he never showed his sixpack to me. I'm still on the MP safer train barring anything major happening in the next few hours, but if he is not mafia, at this point I'm almost convinced it has to be GB, unless he can prove he isn't. This is a Texas caliber post. Big, useful, seems pretty good natured. I think you need to stick around and convince me why MeatPolice is more mafia than GlowingBeard The reasoning is pretty straight forward still. Huge lurker, disinterest in the game. I mean, look at his demeanor when he checks in once maybe every 24 hours. They seem so... soulless. Its almost like he is being forced by someone to actually check in and make a couple of posts. Not to mention, more than half his posts just repeat the same point over and over. At this point he sounds like a broken cd player. Even if you don't have much time to check in on the game(like Tolkien), you should still be able to have a clear case of where town in as a whole, instead of tunneling on 1-2 people like he has. If you really think GB is a better lynch for today, then I'd like to hear your reasoning on it to possibly switch the wagon with you. GB almost seems to have given up as well....
GlowingBear is my best guess for mafia right now. One mafia tactic is to appear overly logical and I feel like this is what gb has been trying to do all game. He backs up all hist posts with some reasoning, but I find his logic to be a bit contrived. I am wary that he might be scum and trying to cover over anything that could look inconsistent.
On the other hand, he was giving pressure on 666.
On the third hand, he switched votes from me only at the last minute, and I think he needs to step out of tunnel vision for a few hours.
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On August 03 2014 06:54 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 06:51 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 06:19 Seeyalater wrote:On August 03 2014 05:52 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 02 2014 15:31 Seeyalater wrote:Alright after rereading everything that's happened so far since the successful day 1 lynch this is currently where I currently stand. Bang- Poofter- Alright I give up. If you really are mafia this game, then you can have my babies, because even I just can't see you being mafia when you've been very consice about everything and have looked at everything objectively. Plus with Jenny-chan dead, I really don't think you would kill someone who would probably defend you to the death when someone tried to push scum on you. Don't think if anyone's brought that up, but since most of the players here know you, its also a very anti-Poofter kill as well. Not only that, but all your cases are awesome and basically bring up the status quo of where we are right now. Now you might think this is only me trying to get you to stop your push on me, but on the contrary, I like the fair and equal pushing you are doing on everyone. Tolkien- Still high in my town list for always being objective. Also one of the few people to see me for what I am, a donkey town. Some bonus points for being the hammer vote at the end of the day 1. your post On August 01 2014 22:47 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Random collection of thoughts:
I'm fairly certain DC was bussed. Given he had literally no defense of himself, either he gave up when the jig was up, so to speak, or was deliberately dying to advance mafia interests. Or perhaps abit of both, idk. But literally posting nothing but a vote change is about as white flag and suspicious as all hell, and leads me to conclude he was bussed.
Two possibilities: Either it's to deflect from meatpudding, who was a mafia power role and thus preferential to keep alive if both are up for lynch (but that assumes we lucked out on two mafia bandwagons D1: something I feel isn't very likely, and that mafia has a power role, which isnt confirmed and is thus speculation), or to cover for someone who is now currently on the DC train. I'm scrutinizing GB, but there seems little incentive to swap so late after the silence from DC was seriously deafening, or to be the "decisive vote" (how he was painted that I have no idea).
Assuming he was bussed then, either this was a pre-meditated part of mafia strategy (and mafia could've even started the wagon) since as a D1 mafia kill, this was too "easy", or spur of the moment. It significantly impacts who's under the microscope on the vote list, I think.
Or perhaps its super WIFOM and the mafia stayed on meat, but given how there was no defense of DC, it makes little/no sense.
I'm actually looking at TehPoofter again given the possibility of bussing here. But given a votelist analysis under the assumption of bussing, without ANY prior reads I'd say the following.
People who should be a D2 wagon:
Meatpudding (unless things change drastically, step it up)
People who are suspicious as all hell:
GB
Me (even tho confirmed town)
People who should be reviewed carefully:
Banks
Jenny
lilwade
People who are most likely stupid town (like srs, DC put up no defense whatsoever):
Teemu
Seeya
If you're mafia, fuck you. Everything's locked in. :D Is probably the most concise d2 post I've seen looking at objectively. Yes others have said basically nearly the same thing, but you put it in the best terms, and bonus points for not calling anyone "town" Lilwade- not much has changed here since N1 where I had you high on my town list for being the first to hammer Clockwork, but have much like me, your involvement d2 has been very sporadic so I'll leave you here for now. Bang Teemu- Still have you leaning town. I feel like, our relationship this game started off as bitter rivals, and has now transformed as two lovers joined together by the power of the donkey. This is going to sound like sheeping, but although you are very active and propose good questions, you seem about as confused as I am to this whole thing. Basically after my push on you in day 1, and realizing how bad it was, I've basically turned lethargic and went from long posts trying to find scum in you, to sheeping a good amount of thoughts, which is what I feel you have done as well(though not as badly as me). Kill- These are basically the two scenarios I have left when it comes to these two. The first is the very obvious MP- not much to be said here. If he is the last mafia, he got really unlucky and rolled mafia with another lurker and basically tried during his few active moments to first appear town by trying to make consise reads(which he never delivered). When that failed due probably to lack of information, his strategy moved to pushing on Teemu, since the only other push availible other than his partner was himself, which left him between a rock and a hard place. Again since he wasn't around much, he probably just remembered the push that was going on Teemu d1, and tried to go back in time when that was a very hot topic to push on Teemu. However sadly for him, our time travel devices had a short fuse and did not go back in time with him, so his desperate push has lead nowhere. Another thing I've noticed about him in the past couple days. These guy has basically no town circle. I've gone through his filter and there are no real posts where he either tries to match his opinions on others, or talk about who he thinks are town. He's playing like he's the last man left alive in town, when in reality there's a high chance he's the last man alright, but the last mafia man. Then we have Glowingbear- I've usually had GB on my neutral to scum list- mainly because as others have stated, his posting style changes quite a bit from time to time. My theory on this is basically he's trying to play two different personalities this game. There's his blending into town personality, where he posts in a friendly demeanor, such as at the start of day, or at the beginning of the game. But then every now and then, it shifts into the other, scum slinging, hyper defensive personality. For example, just after day 1 we've had a few examples of this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=39#776 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=41#816 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=42#827 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=51#1016. What do these posts have in common? Paranoia. And not paranoia about someone else being mafia, its paranoia about others seeing HIM as mafia. That could be him as town being shocked that his "super" townie play is being questioned, but these reactions have been awful. Also, while I may post a lot of fluff as some people say, if you go through GB's filter, he really doesn't bring much to the table either. His biggest "case" against someone was his very flawed case about me and Jenny. At first I thought of this as just being a donkey town case, but I don't think I can anymore. He also seemed extremely proud to have been the one to hammer Clockwork, and seemed paranoid being getting n1'd for it, but when others brought to light that it wasn't him that brought the hammer, it also makes that reaction bad. My guess if he is the last mafia? He realized very early D1 that it was going to be a very hard game since clockwork had basically done nothing to their side in almost all of day 1, and caught a chance to ride the bus on him with Poof and Jenny to appear supper town, and bussed his teammate hoping to fool everyone and coast to victory having fooled town. That also explains his super confused posts above about him being considered for lynch, since what he thought was a great plan, was not as flawless as he thought. Plus he never showed his sixpack to me. I'm still on the MP safer train barring anything major happening in the next few hours, but if he is not mafia, at this point I'm almost convinced it has to be GB, unless he can prove he isn't. This is a Texas caliber post. Big, useful, seems pretty good natured. I think you need to stick around and convince me why MeatPolice is more mafia than GlowingBeard The reasoning is pretty straight forward still. Huge lurker, disinterest in the game. I mean, look at his demeanor when he checks in once maybe every 24 hours. They seem so... soulless. Its almost like he is being forced by someone to actually check in and make a couple of posts. Not to mention, more than half his posts just repeat the same point over and over. At this point he sounds like a broken cd player. Even if you don't have much time to check in on the game(like Tolkien), you should still be able to have a clear case of where town in as a whole, instead of tunneling on 1-2 people like he has. If you really think GB is a better lynch for today, then I'd like to hear your reasoning on it to possibly switch the wagon with you. GB almost seems to have given up as well.... GlowingBear is my best guess for mafia right now. One mafia tactic is to appear overly logical and I feel like this is what gb has been trying to do all game. He backs up all hist posts with some reasoning, but I find his logic to be a bit contrived. I am wary that he might be scum and trying to cover over anything that could look inconsistent. On the other hand, he was giving pressure on 666. On the third hand, he switched votes from me only at the last minute, and I think he needs to step out of tunnel vision for a few hours. MeatProfessor What of GlowingBreads' posts do you find overly logical?
His Jenny-lilwade post D1 was the first clue that made me suspicious. It as interesting but I think as town I would have not been so certain. He;s also made some post detailing his plan d2, but so far has only been tunnelling.
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On August 03 2014 07:05 Seeyalater wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 06:51 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 06:19 Seeyalater wrote:On August 03 2014 05:52 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 02 2014 15:31 Seeyalater wrote:Alright after rereading everything that's happened so far since the successful day 1 lynch this is currently where I currently stand. Bang- Poofter- Alright I give up. If you really are mafia this game, then you can have my babies, because even I just can't see you being mafia when you've been very consice about everything and have looked at everything objectively. Plus with Jenny-chan dead, I really don't think you would kill someone who would probably defend you to the death when someone tried to push scum on you. Don't think if anyone's brought that up, but since most of the players here know you, its also a very anti-Poofter kill as well. Not only that, but all your cases are awesome and basically bring up the status quo of where we are right now. Now you might think this is only me trying to get you to stop your push on me, but on the contrary, I like the fair and equal pushing you are doing on everyone. Tolkien- Still high in my town list for always being objective. Also one of the few people to see me for what I am, a donkey town. Some bonus points for being the hammer vote at the end of the day 1. your post On August 01 2014 22:47 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Random collection of thoughts:
I'm fairly certain DC was bussed. Given he had literally no defense of himself, either he gave up when the jig was up, so to speak, or was deliberately dying to advance mafia interests. Or perhaps abit of both, idk. But literally posting nothing but a vote change is about as white flag and suspicious as all hell, and leads me to conclude he was bussed.
Two possibilities: Either it's to deflect from meatpudding, who was a mafia power role and thus preferential to keep alive if both are up for lynch (but that assumes we lucked out on two mafia bandwagons D1: something I feel isn't very likely, and that mafia has a power role, which isnt confirmed and is thus speculation), or to cover for someone who is now currently on the DC train. I'm scrutinizing GB, but there seems little incentive to swap so late after the silence from DC was seriously deafening, or to be the "decisive vote" (how he was painted that I have no idea).
Assuming he was bussed then, either this was a pre-meditated part of mafia strategy (and mafia could've even started the wagon) since as a D1 mafia kill, this was too "easy", or spur of the moment. It significantly impacts who's under the microscope on the vote list, I think.
Or perhaps its super WIFOM and the mafia stayed on meat, but given how there was no defense of DC, it makes little/no sense.
I'm actually looking at TehPoofter again given the possibility of bussing here. But given a votelist analysis under the assumption of bussing, without ANY prior reads I'd say the following.
People who should be a D2 wagon:
Meatpudding (unless things change drastically, step it up)
People who are suspicious as all hell:
GB
Me (even tho confirmed town)
People who should be reviewed carefully:
Banks
Jenny
lilwade
People who are most likely stupid town (like srs, DC put up no defense whatsoever):
Teemu
Seeya
If you're mafia, fuck you. Everything's locked in. :D Is probably the most concise d2 post I've seen looking at objectively. Yes others have said basically nearly the same thing, but you put it in the best terms, and bonus points for not calling anyone "town" Lilwade- not much has changed here since N1 where I had you high on my town list for being the first to hammer Clockwork, but have much like me, your involvement d2 has been very sporadic so I'll leave you here for now. Bang Teemu- Still have you leaning town. I feel like, our relationship this game started off as bitter rivals, and has now transformed as two lovers joined together by the power of the donkey. This is going to sound like sheeping, but although you are very active and propose good questions, you seem about as confused as I am to this whole thing. Basically after my push on you in day 1, and realizing how bad it was, I've basically turned lethargic and went from long posts trying to find scum in you, to sheeping a good amount of thoughts, which is what I feel you have done as well(though not as badly as me). Kill- These are basically the two scenarios I have left when it comes to these two. The first is the very obvious MP- not much to be said here. If he is the last mafia, he got really unlucky and rolled mafia with another lurker and basically tried during his few active moments to first appear town by trying to make consise reads(which he never delivered). When that failed due probably to lack of information, his strategy moved to pushing on Teemu, since the only other push availible other than his partner was himself, which left him between a rock and a hard place. Again since he wasn't around much, he probably just remembered the push that was going on Teemu d1, and tried to go back in time when that was a very hot topic to push on Teemu. However sadly for him, our time travel devices had a short fuse and did not go back in time with him, so his desperate push has lead nowhere. Another thing I've noticed about him in the past couple days. These guy has basically no town circle. I've gone through his filter and there are no real posts where he either tries to match his opinions on others, or talk about who he thinks are town. He's playing like he's the last man left alive in town, when in reality there's a high chance he's the last man alright, but the last mafia man. Then we have Glowingbear- I've usually had GB on my neutral to scum list- mainly because as others have stated, his posting style changes quite a bit from time to time. My theory on this is basically he's trying to play two different personalities this game. There's his blending into town personality, where he posts in a friendly demeanor, such as at the start of day, or at the beginning of the game. But then every now and then, it shifts into the other, scum slinging, hyper defensive personality. For example, just after day 1 we've had a few examples of this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=39#776 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=41#816 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=42#827 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=51#1016. What do these posts have in common? Paranoia. And not paranoia about someone else being mafia, its paranoia about others seeing HIM as mafia. That could be him as town being shocked that his "super" townie play is being questioned, but these reactions have been awful. Also, while I may post a lot of fluff as some people say, if you go through GB's filter, he really doesn't bring much to the table either. His biggest "case" against someone was his very flawed case about me and Jenny. At first I thought of this as just being a donkey town case, but I don't think I can anymore. He also seemed extremely proud to have been the one to hammer Clockwork, and seemed paranoid being getting n1'd for it, but when others brought to light that it wasn't him that brought the hammer, it also makes that reaction bad. My guess if he is the last mafia? He realized very early D1 that it was going to be a very hard game since clockwork had basically done nothing to their side in almost all of day 1, and caught a chance to ride the bus on him with Poof and Jenny to appear supper town, and bussed his teammate hoping to fool everyone and coast to victory having fooled town. That also explains his super confused posts above about him being considered for lynch, since what he thought was a great plan, was not as flawless as he thought. Plus he never showed his sixpack to me. I'm still on the MP safer train barring anything major happening in the next few hours, but if he is not mafia, at this point I'm almost convinced it has to be GB, unless he can prove he isn't. This is a Texas caliber post. Big, useful, seems pretty good natured. I think you need to stick around and convince me why MeatPolice is more mafia than GlowingBeard The reasoning is pretty straight forward still. Huge lurker, disinterest in the game. I mean, look at his demeanor when he checks in once maybe every 24 hours. They seem so... soulless. Its almost like he is being forced by someone to actually check in and make a couple of posts. Not to mention, more than half his posts just repeat the same point over and over. At this point he sounds like a broken cd player. Even if you don't have much time to check in on the game(like Tolkien), you should still be able to have a clear case of where town in as a whole, instead of tunneling on 1-2 people like he has. If you really think GB is a better lynch for today, then I'd like to hear your reasoning on it to possibly switch the wagon with you. GB almost seems to have given up as well.... GlowingBear is my best guess for mafia right now. One mafia tactic is to appear overly logical and I feel like this is what gb has been trying to do all game. He backs up all hist posts with some reasoning, but I find his logic to be a bit contrived. I am wary that he might be scum and trying to cover over anything that could look inconsistent. On the other hand, he was giving pressure on 666. On the third hand, he switched votes from me only at the last minute, and I think he needs to step out of tunnel vision for a few hours. What about the rest of the people alive? If we do lynch and GB and he's not mafia, where do we go from there?
I'm still having a hard time giving a read on lilwade. I would say, there is likely mafia between you and GB. If nothing changes I would hammer you second. Teemu, Banks, LT, they all seem like town to me.
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Do you think, if there is only a second mafia, that much can be said about a vote analysis? I think one vote isn't really a bus.
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