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no, ritoky bombs yamato and then we dance on his scum grave. then we kill gk.
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Yea, but like, we just back off from each other for Day 1, and then convene afterwards to re-evaluate.
I am on board with the bomb yamato duel gk plan.
Vivax are there people amongst the "lurkers" you feel are better chances to be mafia or probable towns that we maybe should avoid?
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On July 31 2014 04:58 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:53 justanothertownie wrote:On July 31 2014 04:47 slOosh wrote:That unlurk timing. Heh. On July 31 2014 04:43 Vivax wrote:On July 31 2014 04:40 slOosh wrote:
I'm gonna be upfront about it here cause scum could probably figure this out.
I think Vivax is traitor. That's like the only way this makes sense to me. I'm interested into hearing how you think that I'm scum but not scum enough to be scum from the start, which would lead you to put on a tinfoil hat the size of a satellite receiver. I think that you are unreasonably uncooperative this game. This is my perception rather than an objective statement. I know that as scum you can play a "cleaner" game. So what looks scummy without being scum? Traitor, which the previous iteration of this setup had included. It's not that far of a stretch. Could you be an uncooperative town? Perhaps. It's just ... I guess I think more highly of your town play. I don't understand your logic. Why would he play differently as traitor than as normal mafia (apart from not knowing his buddies)? And I mean why would he play the way he does specifically. The logic proceeds thus: Vivax is playing in a way that I construe as strange, perhaps scummy. I played in a game (Storm 2) where he played scum, and he played more "normal". Vivax is playing strange, but has the capacity to play not-strange as scum. What could explain this discrepancy? The former setup of this game included a traitor. Perhaps Vivax is the traitor, which would explain the strange behavior. That's basically my thought process. I'm still talking to him because I could just be wrong, but that's my tentative read.
Meh, I think that's quite the stretch.
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@Vivax:
This is literally the only thing resembling a read I've seen in Damdred's filter. Hence why I said wishy-washy.
On July 30 2014 11:50 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 11:31 justanothertownie wrote:On July 30 2014 11:28 Holyflare wrote:
Well do it.
Also bat if you duel straight away and claim cop i would still lynch you because that's how silly it is. It is almost 5 am dude. No way I am doing this right now - i will go to bed instead. Watch out for this Damdred guy. Both posts he made somehow look awful to me. Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 11:37 justanothertownie wrote:On July 30 2014 11:35 slOosh wrote:
Maybe he is high off vigging scum from Titanic. Who knows.
Anyhows at this point I'm still feel goods about Palmar's list for reasons I mentioned earlier.
Anyone feel not so good about anyone who has posted thus far? Take a look at damdred. Am I wrong or does it look like he is just saying things for the sake of having said something? If you look at my filters for storm 2, or titanic lots of people say the same thing you do. I have a lot of issues entering the thread and trying to get some form of point across. I guess thread entrance is the hardest thing for me and then people key on it and I end up getting mislynched and frustration sets in. Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 11:38 Holyflare wrote:On July 30 2014 11:35 slOosh wrote:
Maybe he is high off vigging scum from Titanic. Who knows.
Anyhows at this point I'm still feel goods about Palmar's list for reasons I mentioned earlier.
Anyone feel not so good about anyone who has posted thus far? I'd like damd to talk more about things he read than just obi and setup seeing as he's caught up and vivax is tbd. Other than that (marv till he posts logic) not really anyone else worries me (ritoky maybe). I've got a few town leans right now. I really feel right now that Viv is kind of going into the town vs town type of deal that he was in last round sloosh really gave a much better explanation of why than me. But it fits his normal play style of town to be really out there and try to bring people into the discussion even forcing activity. It reminds me of his previous titanic play and how he got into a fight with town Koshi early and often. And i'd like bat to calm down
On July 31 2014 04:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:50 goodkarma wrote:On July 31 2014 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 31 2014 04:36 slOosh wrote:
But seriously, goodkarma, high chance of mafia.
He berates sinani for making a non-post, and suggests bombing ritoky / Damdred / lurkers, when he is guilty of those things himself.
ritoky, you want a good bomb? goodkarma is a good bomb. even more his reads on bats/damdred are lazy and bad. Look at any of my prior games and you should know my day 1 usually involves removing people that are most likely to be D1 liabilities. You should also know that I don't spam like crazy in games. Every post I make has a purpose, or I don't post it. I don't talk about jagers or any other random crap. I only post when I feel it'll be helpful. On top of that I don't have a scum read on any of the active players right now. So heaven forbid, that leaves who I've listed as the most likely scum candidates. Sinani specifically has been brought up. If he behaves this way all game, he's a huge liability and a good bomb target. But from what he's posted it looks like he'll only behave like this day one, and this is why I excluded him. Okay gk. you made reads that are easy. at the same time you failed to contribute onto anything else in the thread. then you made a post that wishy-washy people are likely to be scum (and that post of yours was really wishy-washy in itself). so what have you actually said? and do you really think "removing liabilities" is the way to win a game of mafia as town?
It's the way I play mafia on day 1. Vote histories and how people push players makes subsequent days much easier. Mafia is lynched about as often as you'd get from RNG day 1, and there's a reason for that. If you're mislynching town most of the time, I'd prefer to mislynch a liability. Besides that, I've found active players tend to be town more often than mafia.
Unfortunately, this is all the time I can put into this game before night ends so if you're going to bomb me you're going to bomb me. But I'd encourage you to look at some of my prior games. My day 1's are historically a bit dicey. Probably because of my approach (even though it's a good one). I'm here and talking to you, and I'll be here for you to get a better read on (if I live) as the game progresses. Leave me alive, and I'm confident you'll find I'm a cheese that gets better with age, as I've shown in many of my prior games.
But if I die I would highly encourage you to set up a duel between the two people I've listed. Especially Damdred if he continues to post the way he has.
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On July 31 2014 05:09 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:58 slOosh wrote:On July 31 2014 04:53 justanothertownie wrote:On July 31 2014 04:47 slOosh wrote:That unlurk timing. Heh. On July 31 2014 04:43 Vivax wrote:On July 31 2014 04:40 slOosh wrote:
I'm gonna be upfront about it here cause scum could probably figure this out.
I think Vivax is traitor. That's like the only way this makes sense to me. I'm interested into hearing how you think that I'm scum but not scum enough to be scum from the start, which would lead you to put on a tinfoil hat the size of a satellite receiver. I think that you are unreasonably uncooperative this game. This is my perception rather than an objective statement. I know that as scum you can play a "cleaner" game. So what looks scummy without being scum? Traitor, which the previous iteration of this setup had included. It's not that far of a stretch. Could you be an uncooperative town? Perhaps. It's just ... I guess I think more highly of your town play. I don't understand your logic. Why would he play differently as traitor than as normal mafia (apart from not knowing his buddies)? And I mean why would he play the way he does specifically. The logic proceeds thus: Vivax is playing in a way that I construe as strange, perhaps scummy. I played in a game (Storm 2) where he played scum, and he played more "normal". Vivax is playing strange, but has the capacity to play not-strange as scum. What could explain this discrepancy? The former setup of this game included a traitor. Perhaps Vivax is the traitor, which would explain the strange behavior. That's basically my thought process. I'm still talking to him because I could just be wrong, but that's my tentative read. Meh, I think that's quite the stretch.
You just have to look from the start of the conversation between HF and me, what kush wrote about HF's points, rayn's entrance, and SlOosh being on the sidetracks playing support for them.
It looks crazy at glance, but I'm telling you that at least HF and rayn have more than enough capabilities to be such active scum. Don't be fooled into thinking that just cause they're active means they aren't scum, and the scum must be among the inactives.
What you will see is them covering each other's backs against a lone guy pushing them as scum, which is the good way of playing scum. Active scum that takes control of the thread and gets townread for their activity and not scumread for the false accusations they use to get mislynches is a one way road to a loss.
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Disclaimer: HF, rayn and SlOosh, don't reply to this message unless you talk to other people cause I won't answer your questions or rebuttals.
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On July 31 2014 05:09 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:58 slOosh wrote:On July 31 2014 04:53 justanothertownie wrote:On July 31 2014 04:47 slOosh wrote:That unlurk timing. Heh. On July 31 2014 04:43 Vivax wrote:On July 31 2014 04:40 slOosh wrote:
I'm gonna be upfront about it here cause scum could probably figure this out.
I think Vivax is traitor. That's like the only way this makes sense to me. I'm interested into hearing how you think that I'm scum but not scum enough to be scum from the start, which would lead you to put on a tinfoil hat the size of a satellite receiver. I think that you are unreasonably uncooperative this game. This is my perception rather than an objective statement. I know that as scum you can play a "cleaner" game. So what looks scummy without being scum? Traitor, which the previous iteration of this setup had included. It's not that far of a stretch. Could you be an uncooperative town? Perhaps. It's just ... I guess I think more highly of your town play. I don't understand your logic. Why would he play differently as traitor than as normal mafia (apart from not knowing his buddies)? And I mean why would he play the way he does specifically. The logic proceeds thus: Vivax is playing in a way that I construe as strange, perhaps scummy. I played in a game (Storm 2) where he played scum, and he played more "normal". Vivax is playing strange, but has the capacity to play not-strange as scum. What could explain this discrepancy? The former setup of this game included a traitor. Perhaps Vivax is the traitor, which would explain the strange behavior. That's basically my thought process. I'm still talking to him because I could just be wrong, but that's my tentative read. Meh, I think that's quite the stretch.
Very well could be yes. My brain finds it easier to say Vivax is traitor than Vivax is scum / town. Anyways, I'm interested in doing this suspension thing where we move on for a day and see what we come up with elsewhere.
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goodkarma, you said yourself that you don't have scumreads on any of the active players.
Yet you fault Damdred for doing the same. What differentiates you two?
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On July 31 2014 05:15 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 05:09 justanothertownie wrote:On July 31 2014 04:58 slOosh wrote:On July 31 2014 04:53 justanothertownie wrote:On July 31 2014 04:47 slOosh wrote:That unlurk timing. Heh. On July 31 2014 04:43 Vivax wrote:On July 31 2014 04:40 slOosh wrote:
I'm gonna be upfront about it here cause scum could probably figure this out.
I think Vivax is traitor. That's like the only way this makes sense to me. I'm interested into hearing how you think that I'm scum but not scum enough to be scum from the start, which would lead you to put on a tinfoil hat the size of a satellite receiver. I think that you are unreasonably uncooperative this game. This is my perception rather than an objective statement. I know that as scum you can play a "cleaner" game. So what looks scummy without being scum? Traitor, which the previous iteration of this setup had included. It's not that far of a stretch. Could you be an uncooperative town? Perhaps. It's just ... I guess I think more highly of your town play. I don't understand your logic. Why would he play differently as traitor than as normal mafia (apart from not knowing his buddies)? And I mean why would he play the way he does specifically. The logic proceeds thus: Vivax is playing in a way that I construe as strange, perhaps scummy. I played in a game (Storm 2) where he played scum, and he played more "normal". Vivax is playing strange, but has the capacity to play not-strange as scum. What could explain this discrepancy? The former setup of this game included a traitor. Perhaps Vivax is the traitor, which would explain the strange behavior. That's basically my thought process. I'm still talking to him because I could just be wrong, but that's my tentative read. Meh, I think that's quite the stretch. You just have to look from the start of the conversation between HF and me, what kush wrote about HF's points, rayn's entrance, and SlOosh being on the sidetracks playing support for them. It looks crazy at glance, but I'm telling you that at least HF and rayn have more than enough capabilities to be such active scum. Don't be fooled into thinking that just cause they're active means they aren't scum, and the scum must be among the inactives. What you will see is them covering each other's backs against a lone guy pushing them as scum, which is the good way of playing scum. Active scum that takes control of the thread and gets townread for their activity and not scumread for the false accusations they use to get mislynches is a one way road to a loss. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Disclaimer: HF, rayn and SlOosh, don't reply to this message unless you talk to other people cause I won't answer your questions or rebuttals.
I promise you that I won't townread rayn or HF just because of their postcount - I know that it doesn't work this way. Not sold on your theory though.
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I've never said rayn was town though you're just making it impossible to think otherwise with the constant shit flinging on every post.
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Karma look at Damdred's last games, Storm mafia hosted by Palmar and IV titanic mafia by Sentinel, and tell me if you spot any differences. I found him scummy myself in titanic and got him mislynched in storm mafia, so it isn't a stretch to say you should be reading him veeeery carefully, and expect him to look scummy in some way or another.
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On July 31 2014 02:51 Holyflare wrote:
Why do people have wildly different reads on the people i think are town?
Jat, palmar, sloosh, obi probably bat being yolo towny (maybe forgetting someone prob not)
If you don't have those ppl as town you're probably mafia (tempted to throw damd in because everyone and their mother is calling him town when he doesn't even look close to it)
Gonna go do a ww spend run so wont be around. If i die follow that ^^ probably take away palmar because hes saying he likes vivax when nobody else is
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On July 31 2014 05:20 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 05:15 Vivax wrote:On July 31 2014 05:09 justanothertownie wrote:On July 31 2014 04:58 slOosh wrote:On July 31 2014 04:53 justanothertownie wrote:On July 31 2014 04:47 slOosh wrote:That unlurk timing. Heh. On July 31 2014 04:43 Vivax wrote:On July 31 2014 04:40 slOosh wrote:
I'm gonna be upfront about it here cause scum could probably figure this out.
I think Vivax is traitor. That's like the only way this makes sense to me. I'm interested into hearing how you think that I'm scum but not scum enough to be scum from the start, which would lead you to put on a tinfoil hat the size of a satellite receiver. I think that you are unreasonably uncooperative this game. This is my perception rather than an objective statement. I know that as scum you can play a "cleaner" game. So what looks scummy without being scum? Traitor, which the previous iteration of this setup had included. It's not that far of a stretch. Could you be an uncooperative town? Perhaps. It's just ... I guess I think more highly of your town play. I don't understand your logic. Why would he play differently as traitor than as normal mafia (apart from not knowing his buddies)? And I mean why would he play the way he does specifically. The logic proceeds thus: Vivax is playing in a way that I construe as strange, perhaps scummy. I played in a game (Storm 2) where he played scum, and he played more "normal". Vivax is playing strange, but has the capacity to play not-strange as scum. What could explain this discrepancy? The former setup of this game included a traitor. Perhaps Vivax is the traitor, which would explain the strange behavior. That's basically my thought process. I'm still talking to him because I could just be wrong, but that's my tentative read. Meh, I think that's quite the stretch. You just have to look from the start of the conversation between HF and me, what kush wrote about HF's points, rayn's entrance, and SlOosh being on the sidetracks playing support for them. It looks crazy at glance, but I'm telling you that at least HF and rayn have more than enough capabilities to be such active scum. Don't be fooled into thinking that just cause they're active means they aren't scum, and the scum must be among the inactives. What you will see is them covering each other's backs against a lone guy pushing them as scum, which is the good way of playing scum. Active scum that takes control of the thread and gets townread for their activity and not scumread for the false accusations they use to get mislynches is a one way road to a loss. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Disclaimer: HF, rayn and SlOosh, don't reply to this message unless you talk to other people cause I won't answer your questions or rebuttals. I promise you that I won't townread rayn or HF just because of their postcount - I know that it doesn't work this way. Not sold on your theory though.
It's okay it will look much better once I get one of them to flip.
And if they're town and I'm wrong they should be among the earlier NK's.
D1 is always a mess, but I hope that I will be proven correct when we have more information, and that people will remember what I said.
Is there anyone in particular you want me to take a look at? Do you at least agree on ONE of the guys I'm scumreading?
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Think. Mm1 prob good duel tomorrow btw
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On July 31 2014 05:26 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 05:20 justanothertownie wrote:On July 31 2014 05:15 Vivax wrote:On July 31 2014 05:09 justanothertownie wrote:On July 31 2014 04:58 slOosh wrote:On July 31 2014 04:53 justanothertownie wrote:On July 31 2014 04:47 slOosh wrote:That unlurk timing. Heh. On July 31 2014 04:43 Vivax wrote:On July 31 2014 04:40 slOosh wrote:
I'm gonna be upfront about it here cause scum could probably figure this out.
I think Vivax is traitor. That's like the only way this makes sense to me. I'm interested into hearing how you think that I'm scum but not scum enough to be scum from the start, which would lead you to put on a tinfoil hat the size of a satellite receiver. I think that you are unreasonably uncooperative this game. This is my perception rather than an objective statement. I know that as scum you can play a "cleaner" game. So what looks scummy without being scum? Traitor, which the previous iteration of this setup had included. It's not that far of a stretch. Could you be an uncooperative town? Perhaps. It's just ... I guess I think more highly of your town play. I don't understand your logic. Why would he play differently as traitor than as normal mafia (apart from not knowing his buddies)? And I mean why would he play the way he does specifically. The logic proceeds thus: Vivax is playing in a way that I construe as strange, perhaps scummy. I played in a game (Storm 2) where he played scum, and he played more "normal". Vivax is playing strange, but has the capacity to play not-strange as scum. What could explain this discrepancy? The former setup of this game included a traitor. Perhaps Vivax is the traitor, which would explain the strange behavior. That's basically my thought process. I'm still talking to him because I could just be wrong, but that's my tentative read. Meh, I think that's quite the stretch. You just have to look from the start of the conversation between HF and me, what kush wrote about HF's points, rayn's entrance, and SlOosh being on the sidetracks playing support for them. It looks crazy at glance, but I'm telling you that at least HF and rayn have more than enough capabilities to be such active scum. Don't be fooled into thinking that just cause they're active means they aren't scum, and the scum must be among the inactives. What you will see is them covering each other's backs against a lone guy pushing them as scum, which is the good way of playing scum. Active scum that takes control of the thread and gets townread for their activity and not scumread for the false accusations they use to get mislynches is a one way road to a loss. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Disclaimer: HF, rayn and SlOosh, don't reply to this message unless you talk to other people cause I won't answer your questions or rebuttals. I promise you that I won't townread rayn or HF just because of their postcount - I know that it doesn't work this way. Not sold on your theory though. It's okay it will look much better once I get one of them to flip. And if they're town and I'm wrong they should be among the earlier NK's. D1 is always a mess, but I hope that I will be proven correct when we have more information, and that people will remember what I said. Is there anyone in particular you want me to take a look at? Do you at least agree on ONE of the guys I'm scumreading?
I don't really scumread any of them but I have to admit that I skimmed some posts from HF and sloosh. Regarding rayn - maybe he is scum but he hasn't done anything that really convinces me that he is yet. I would not duel one of them right now.
I still don't like damdred and especially MM. Since you already spoke at length about damdred you could maybe look at MM. His errors could be due to sheer stupidity but what I think is really scummy is how he tried to justify his scumread on me with different reasons after I totally debunked his earlier accusations. It is like he decided to scumread me and THEN looked for reasons to do so and when he was caught he didn't apologize and admit a mistake he hastily tried to justify his position with some bs that had nothing to do with his original reasoning.
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Add to this how he just vanished again. He didn't even really engage me at all.
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On July 31 2014 04:42 slOosh wrote:
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I, deputy jail warden slOosh, hereby formally request a duel with goodkarma at high noon tomorrow, with your permission of course.
Request denied.
I actually spent a lot of time looking over his meta because I didn't like his entry into the thread last night. The last couple of posts he has made thus far have been more in-line with his town game.
I would rather the thread be allowed to develop when we see how he interacts with other players in the thread and how he posts his inevitable reads, but until them, I would prefer he be left alone.
Now, on another topic, I have questions for the following players:
@Rayn: Why do you have gk as scum? I'm in a bit of a rush right now, so I may have overlooked whatever you have posted in regards to his alignment, but I'd like to see fleshed-out reasoning rather than just having you throw his name down and expecting him to die.
A lack of compassion for your fellow man is something that displeases the Duelmaster.
@Holyflare: Why MM1? Same deal.
Also, I'll probably be back in the thread in several hours. I have to go to work. 
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On July 31 2014 02:21 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Your list included people who i was townreading, why wouldnt i find you scummy for trying to lynch people i think are town
Who is he talking to here, Rayn, Palmar? JAT didn't make a list afaik.
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The exact reason jat just said
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He confuses jat with rayn afaik
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