Showdown Mafia - Page 26

On July 31 2014 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:

even more his reads on bats/damdred are lazy and bad.

On July 31 2014 04:47 slOosh wrote:
That unlurk timing. Heh.


I think that you are unreasonably uncooperative this game. This is my perception rather than an objective statement. I know that as scum you can play a "cleaner" game. So what looks scummy without being scum? Traitor, which the previous iteration of this setup had included.

It's not that far of a stretch. Could you be an uncooperative town? Perhaps. It's just ... I guess I think more highly of your town play.

On July 31 2014 04:50 goodkarma wrote:


Look at any of my prior games and you should know my day 1 usually involves removing people that are most likely to be D1 liabilities. You should also know that I don't spam like crazy in games. Every post I make has a purpose, or I don't post it. I don't talk about jagers or any other random crap. I only post when I feel it'll be helpful. On top of that I don't have a scum read on any of the active players right now. So heaven forbid, that leaves who I've listed as the most likely scum candidates.

Sinani specifically has been brought up. If he behaves this way all game, he's a huge liability and a good bomb target. But from what he's posted it looks like he'll only behave like this day one, and this is why I excluded him.

On July 31 2014 04:47 slOosh wrote:
That unlurk timing. Heh.


I think that you are unreasonably uncooperative this game. This is my perception rather than an objective statement. I know that as scum you can play a "cleaner" game. So what looks scummy without being scum? Traitor, which the previous iteration of this setup had included.

It's not that far of a stretch. Could you be an uncooperative town? Perhaps. It's just ... I guess I think more highly of your town play.

On July 31 2014 04:50 goodkarma wrote:


Look at any of my prior games and you should know my day 1 usually involves removing people that are most likely to be D1 liabilities. You should also know that I don't spam like crazy in games. Every post I make has a purpose, or I don't post it. I don't talk about jagers or any other random crap. I only post when I feel it'll be helpful. On top of that I don't have a scum read on any of the active players right now. So heaven forbid, that leaves who I've listed as the most likely scum candidates.

Sinani specifically has been brought up. If he behaves this way all game, he's a huge liability and a good bomb target. But from what he's posted it looks like he'll only behave like this day one, and this is why I excluded him.

On July 31 2014 04:51 Vivax wrote:


I'm not uncooperative, I push my reads aggressively, and they try to derail me into stupid arguments, and provoke me. I'm cooperative to everyone else, I asked normal questions to JAT before I townread him, I'm asking normal questions to GK, simply cause they won't react to my suspicion in a way that will only end up making our exchanges a pain to read, this being the reason I don't want to discuss with HF and rayn any more, but only display to the rest of the thread why they are scum, which I have done in multiple instances.

On July 31 2014 04:50 slOosh wrote:
Like as an objective mafia player (someone who plays mafia), I'm gonna say that if you are indeed town and HolyFlare is indeed scum, the way that you are going about it to try to get HolyFlare lynched is ineffective and has great potential to backfire, especially in this kind of setup. I don't know how strong your tunnel is, or how strong your tunnel tendencies are, but you really need to reevaluate how you are choosing to interact with people this game.

Because figuring out who mafia is is 50% of the game. Convincing everyone else is the other 50%, and right now I'm finding that you are severely lacking in the latter department.

On July 31 2014 04:52 Holyflare wrote:
Sloosh you town read me AND vivax before so what's really changed if we're just doing the same things?

On July 31 2014 04:55 Vivax wrote:


Dude, whenever I posted something that proved he was scum, he popped up and started complaining and generally tried to get things on a more emotional than rational level.

The proof is on the last pages.
HF:"Vivax pls stop scumreading me"

Me:"This post shows why HF is scum, cause bsbsbs"

HF: "You're either scum or a fucking moron"

All in between rayn trying to stir the fire by siding with HF, and you.

Words don't lie. So you lie by telling me to calm down and pushing tinfoil theories. I use standard arguments, he uses insults and imperatives. Period.

On July 31 2014 04:53 justanothertownie wrote:

I don't understand your logic. Why would he play differently as traitor than as normal mafia (apart from not knowing his buddies)? And I mean why would he play the way he does specifically.

On July 31 2014 04:58 slOosh wrote:

The logic proceeds thus:

Vivax is playing in a way that I construe as strange, perhaps scummy.
I played in a game (Storm 2) where he played scum, and he played more "normal".
Vivax is playing strange, but has the capacity to play not-strange as scum. What could explain this discrepancy?
The former setup of this game included a traitor.
Perhaps Vivax is the traitor, which would explain the strange behavior.

That's basically my thought process. I'm still talking to him because I could just be wrong, but that's my tentative read.

On July 31 2014 04:59 Vivax wrote:
I'm waiting for you to leave so I can talk to other people in peace.
Nothing good can come from me arguing in the thread with my most likely three correct scumreads, who just help each other at every occasion.

It looks tinfoil, but I scumread you previously, and it turned out just like you're all pushing the same agenda, so at least I predicted correctly you would only push into one direction, together, and the reason isn't hard to figure out.

On July 31 2014 04:07 Vivax wrote:
I won't talk to you or HF any more. From now on I'm talking to everyone else in my efforts to get you lynched.