Team Melee Mini Mafia V: Newbies and Vets

On July 10 2014 03:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
/in if there's anyone that wants to have me.

On July 10 2014 04:12 IAmRobik wrote:
What happened to never playing with me

On July 10 2014 04:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't think you give yourself enough credit Slam. I used to think you were bad but your last few town performances that I have seen have been quite good imo. I'm sure you have something to teach to the newbies.

On July 10 2014 05:11 27ninjabunnies wrote:
See rayn thinks so!

On July 10 2014 05:22 Palmar wrote:
rayn I'll rek you in a fite m8

On July 10 2014 05:20 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Hi guys can I Hydra with rayn?

/in
/agrees to rules
/etcetc

Jailkeeper
You may protect one person a night from all actions during the night phase, including mafia KP, parity cop, and role cop checks, and roleblock them. Players that are roleblocked are not informed and will be unable to complete an action. You may NOT self protect. You and your target are not informed of a successful save.

On July 11 2014 05:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:


*shrugs*
I don't understand it either.

On July 11 2014 12:05 Eden1892 wrote:
also lol

poofter's criticism is now "baww i don't like vt claims you should claim cop with scans so we can protect the real cop"
but he's not doing it...

and yea robik are you just gonna whine about where discussion is going or do something about it? don't be lame you're better than this

On July 11 2014 12:53 Tehpoofter wrote:


not particularly anything important going on as of yet.
I have a strong feeling you're not going to like me at all this game. Its funny.

Do you still think TheD is mafia?
Oh I lied I kinda like Robik and whoever had the idea to bold hsit was smart and probably townie that he wants to know who is who.

TheD

On July 11 2014 21:52 HaruRH wrote:
No I dont have a legit answer because only glowingbear can answer palmar for what he said. I dont know what glowingbear was thinking when he said it, so I am not supposed to give a legit answer in glowingbear's stead since it would be incorrect.

-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear

On July 11 2014 22:54 marvellosity wrote:
why do you not want to see if I'm paying attention, rayn?

On July 11 2014 23:15 HaruRH wrote:


Yes. There is a point to defending. This is a team game ffs. I don't just lurk and see glowingbear get attacked while I talk about other things. That is way more scummy. and bad. I can contribute by showing OUR collective intention. Which was to watch out for the kenpachi argument because we felt it might be scum driven.

On July 12 2014 00:38 IAmRobik wrote:
[...]
I am never voting you this game
Your teammate said something super towny
[...]

On July 12 2014 00:54 ExO_ wrote:
Some thoughts:

Team D-

I tend to have weird hours that I can be on, and I'm not just reading the TL forums 24/7, so while I can't always be as active as robik saying I'm not doing anything now isn't really giving me a fair shake in my opinion (@27ninjabunnies).

Every game I've seen 27nb in she goes around being very caustic and arrogant towards some people, and very nice to others. It seems to be regardless of her alignment. I find it to be unhelpful, as she goes off on tangents with wild accusations filled with bullshit reasoning for scum reads.

What this means in terms of the game is it's hard for me to read her as mafia or town. But I think she does more to cause problems in a town, than actually help with finding scum and uniting the town players.

Poofter isn't saying much and is kinda letting her get out in front. I don't know how to interpret that, but in World Cup poofter stayed kinda quiet until it came time to push me in the wrong directions. Nearly worked too .

So a null read on the team but I generally think constantly creating a toxic atmosphere for the town is a bad thing even if they are town.

Team Whine
Slam is posting a fuck ton of 1 liners/pictures/general nonsense (hijole?) and sqrtofneg1 is saying nothing at all. In larger games I think mafia lurking works better than in a smaller game such as this, but it's almost nothing to read off of. Will have to wait to see what they vote day 1 and what happens night 1 to really know what to think of them.

Team VendettaStrada
I'm not sure if they're both posting from the same account, but it looks like it's all raynpelioneet. In my limited experience here I haven't seen him before, and though he hasn't posted a fuck ton of stuff, seems townish it to me. Looks like he's contributing.

Team needs a lawyer
I always kinda read HaruRH scummy, he has a little bit of omgus going on, but I miss read him in world cup so it gives me pause. So I look over at glowing bear, and he hasn't said a whole lot either. Just got caught up in the Kenpachi business. But doesn't really read town to me. I lean scum here, but I'm hesitant.

Team Magic Carpet
Not a lot of posts from straightform just asking questions "Robik why won't u post?, Why would exo/robik not posting Day 1 not be bad for town" etc... Palmar calls out team lawyer for not posting anything of value, but I see very little of value from him at all. After reading his filter i think Palmar is the most scummy looking person so far in the thread.
*scum read*

Team GoodCornBadCorn
Completely afk. Like 1 combined other than their /in posts. like what....? Do they not know the game is happening? No reads yet for obvious reasons

Team Crotch Rocket
Not a lot being said from good Karma. Eden is posting quite a bit, and seems okay. I don't think mafia are going to be quite as active as eden is being, but it could be good coaching happening. Town read for now though

Team Fraud walRus
Sinani saying hardly anything, OnceKing's vote on our team I think is bad: it's based on robik not playing the game, when robik has been pretty active. Hasn't really expanded on any reads and got pretty caught up in ol' kenpachi but I don't get a scum vibe from him. Null read

Team M squared
mderg hasn't said too much, but I've generally liked and agreed with what marv has to say. I think Town


So that leaves me with

Town
M squared
Vendetta Strata (aka how can I make a parody of that team name)
Rocket Crotch


Null
D-
Whine*
Goodcornbadcorn*
Fraud walRus

Scum
Lawyer
Magic Carpet

*Mostly afk

On July 12 2014 14:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, I've read enough.
I really can't read more right now, I tried to analyze every single page and it seems my head can't absorb that much information. I started to write a summary on what was going on but I've got no more energy to do. It's incomplete, but I will leave it here in case someone finds it useful:

Half-ass summary:
+ Show Spoiler +

So, for what I read until now, I have three main targets I want to read more: ExO, Robik and Eden. I'll filter dive them tomorrow, as I didn't have energy enough even to read through 50 long pages.
I have a stronger hunch on sqrt/alakaslam, as a lot of people were saying here.

Why these guys? Because my way of scumhunting is going through passivity and too much friendly behavior. Going against people there were being quite and being friendly was my best bet on my first game and when I did that most of my readings got the right guys.

I see this signals on sqrt's posts, mostly. Check out these quotes:

sqrt's friendly quotes:
+ Show Spoiler +

I've bolded most of his reads. He looks like he does not want to "get into the battlefield", mostly giving free townreads to people. What mostly bothers me: just one-liners.
He made a push on Palmar, though:

sqrt's vote on Palmar's:
+ Show Spoiler +

Howerever, there is no strong argument to justify a lynch, as there is no strong argument to justify his townreads.

If you check his filters, you will find tiny posts with little information and reasoning behind. It just looks like he is trying to look like he is contributing, but not contributing at all.

But if he is scum, I'd better check Alakaslam also, because they are a team. If you filter dive him, you're going to find posts with no much useful information. Like this one:

Hi Post from Alakaslam:
+ Show Spoiler +

So, although I'm not sure if alakaslam is not contributing more because he, at the time, didn't have enough food on anybody, and although he doesn't have an overly friendly behavior like sqrt, this lack of contribution fits sqrt's attitude until now.

Slam gotta do better to change my vote.

On July 13 2014 01:12 Koshi wrote:

If you are referring to the case you made about Eden talking about a Scum QT I am not impressed. Give me your read on OnceKing. I for one did not remember a single post of him and it seems like he has 5 pages of filter. You might got something there.

Talk to me.

On July 15 2014 03:32 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Rayn, I did present an alternative.

Koshi/CR.

On July 15 2014 03:42 OnceKing wrote:
rayn - es very simple
eden is absolutely town goodkarma is his hydra
i am absolutely town sinani is my hydra

i realize this probably doesn't comfort you very much wrt sinani
but eden and i are both absolutely town

so what are your up to date conclusions on people?

On July 15 2014 03:57 sinani206 wrote:


overexplanation alone isn't scummy. there's nothing at all about his play inherently scummy.

On July 15 2014 04:12 OnceKing wrote:
the easiest way i have to explain why eden is town is on a meta thing.
basically, eden and i know each other irl and we play mafia together quite a bit. we have VERY extensive experience with each other, having talked about the game a lot.
he was completely on the same wavelength as me for like, all of day 1. I know it sounds really dumb but he basically confirmed himself town to me when he pulled Kenpachi Rule on poofter and I confirmed myself town to him when I sheeped it upon checking in.

if you dislike that explanation then think about it this way:
1. We've crossposted like a zillion times already in this game so we're clearly sharing the same thoughts. So it's overwhelmingly likely we're of the same alignment.
2. It doesn't make sense for two mafia members to be saying the exact same things.
so by this we can only both be town.

as for the overexplaining stuff, can you point out where? because I'm pretty sure he's just saying whatever he feels he needs to say to get his targets lynched.

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goodkarma's post:
if i had to take a guess it would be that he takes a perspective where he would lynch someone he assumes to be a townie.
but i don't see why this is super relevant since Eden town = goodkarma town = I don't really care

On July 15 2014 05:23 OnceKing wrote:
rayn -
it's just a simple process of elimination for the consideration of people who don't have the privilege of "knowing" our alignment.
if we can only be the same alignment then we must be mafia/mafia or town/own. since we definitely aren't mafia/mafia then we must be town/town.

i wanna say who's posting first is pretty flexible. by crossposting i mean literally we'll ninja each other while the other is posting the exact same thing. it's actually kind of scary.

i'll look through your filter for the overexplaining stuff.

can you address robik's assertion that you and slenderman are extremely likely to have NKed marvderg and palmiform?

On July 15 2014 05:26 Tehpoofter wrote:


I'm probably hoping on the Glowing bear wagon that guy feels really scummy I pointed it out in a previous post and I'll make the case soon I'm finishing reading your wall 'o text.

On July 15 2014 05:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
[...]
Can you tell me how the lynch on Slam/sqrt came into motion?

On July 15 2014 05:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

A question.

On July 15 2014 05:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I want his interpretation?

On July 15 2014 05:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I have no idea who is scum. I haven't read the thread, and you haven't read my 1 page filter apparently or you would know exactly what I'm doing.

On July 15 2014 06:20 OnceKing wrote:
Honestly though I townread harubear based on tone and meta the first thing the nks suggest to me is that they're scum

On July 15 2014 06:26 OnceKing wrote:
Robik or bunnies please show me how nk analysis indicates raynman are guilty

On July 15 2014 06:50 Koshi wrote:

If you are scum you need a misslynch on me. Seems like that is not being worked on so we are cool.

On July 15 2014 06:52 Koshi wrote:

You are on the good way. I trust you to make it.

On July 15 2014 07:15 IAmRobik wrote:

Rayn, can you show me a game where you've asked someone to do this as town?

On July 15 2014 07:15 IAmRobik wrote:

Rayn, can you show me a game where you've asked someone to do this as town?

On July 15 2014 08:24 Eden1892 wrote:

did you actually read the whole thread because if you did there would be zero doubt that i started the wagon on slamroot

On July 15 2014 09:05 GlowingBear wrote:


That's completely untrue. None of my posts had OMGUS except when I said that you confirmed my suspicion on Slender. My post against Cabernet Sauvignon wasn' OMGUS, my suspicions on Exo, Robik and Eden weren't OMGUS. Koshi has been hard pushing me as you and slender had, but his arguments are reasonable, yours and Slender's felt weird (most for Slender, I gotta admit I am starting to like your posts, but not to the point of not scumread your teammate). I've expressed brief reasoning why I felt Slender's hard push on us was looking odd, I am going to write more about that when I stop being lazy and actually move to the computer.

If I were OMGUSing like you said we were, shouldnt I scumread koshi also?

On July 15 2014 12:54 OnceKing wrote:
Haru -
about rayn: how did you get that tl;dr... ya the palmar town thing i get (not that THAT helps, we already know that)
but where did you get this from:


actually good catch though that rayn said nothing about you guys in that whole post then suddenly called you guys mafia. however slendy had been talking about you guys for quite a while.

about koshi: disagree wholly
at that point i honestly could not have told you who i thought glowingbear believed to be mafia.
and just because it's on one head of the hydra doesn't make it invalid.

speaking of wihch i need to unvote them...
##unvote

On July 16 2014 00:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I still want to discuss it with Koshi in the qt but I'm not really feeling Haru/Glowing here. I liked Eden's point on Glowing regarding taking the path of most resistance.

Sinani what specifically makes you scum on them?

On July 16 2014 00:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

My personal experience dictates that this is a likely indicator for someone whom to my knowledge isn't that experienced with the game.


Why should he absolutely be mafia because of it?

On July 16 2014 23:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

What I'm saying is that Rayn should've been there and not afk for the last 12 hours in the game to begin with. Normally, he's always at deadlines and if he was here then chance is that he wouldn't have gotten lynched.

On July 16 2014 23:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

So your sickness was at fault. IT STILL MEANS YOU'RE TO BLAME RAYN! STOP GETTING ILL AT BAD TIMES.

On July 16 2014 23:38 IAmRobik wrote:

Oh yeah. You're a fucking donkey JK.
Just JK marv
Holy shit.

On July 16 2014 23:42 Koshi wrote:
Eden still town mvp

On July 17 2014 00:04 Eden1892 wrote:
Yea there was rayn, I called you out for complaining about thread direction while not doing anything about it. There was something else I could dig up but I don't remember lol.

On July 17 2014 00:12 Eden1892 wrote:
Jesus some of y'all are salty and miserable
Thanks for handing me the game on a platter rayn I appreciate you carrying me out of the kindness of Ur haert. U R an inspiration. The Catholic Church should make U a saint. U R So Nice 2 Give Game 2 Us Unworthy Town Plebs. <3

On July 17 2014 00:14 kitaman27 wrote:
The communication between the two mafia teams was a bit subpar. On day two, it didn't seem like you had an endgame plan. The attempted interaction between rayn/koshi was nice, but it wasn't clear how you guys would react if either of you were to get in trouble. Artanis had the option of either going for a strong defense of rayn or a counter-claim or jumping on the anti-rayn train earlier, but he sort of sat on the sidelines and his window closed.

Don't afk at the deadline. XD

rayn's "notes" post was really silly......

On July 17 2014 00:19 marvellosity wrote:
rayn such a slut for towncred.

On July 17 2014 00:23 Holyflare wrote:
Kinda prefered the shadow game (not the switch around bit) for the newbie aspect.

On July 17 2014 00:26 GlowingBear wrote:


Thanks, Rayn! that "being nice" reasoning is the one I got from my last game. I guess it's a good way to find scum but it sucks as primary argument. This game was really a lesson.

On July 17 2014 00:31 IAmRobik wrote:
I might have to nominate myself for worst case: the case on why Rayn is town

That shit was so bad and so wrong and so convoluted lol

On July 17 2014 00:36 GlowingBear wrote:
From my newbie POV, this game pushed me to the limits because vets have a very conversational behaviour, it was really hard to keep up reading the chatting. It's hard because faking town for vets is really easy and their accusations are really difficult to avoid. So, this is a very good game for newbies. Also, with a veteran playing with you, they are much more engaged on the game and more helpful because they teach juniors specific topics, which I think is not very well discussed with coaches.

The downside is that it gets much more meta focused, and that's not good for newbies because that's just impression on someone vets are used to play. It does not make us evolve as a player, it only gives us experience regarding the vets. We evolve our "vets reading" but not evolve "game playing". I don't know if I am clear here...

On July 17 2014 00:47 kitaman27 wrote:


Ah I suppose that would be a bit rough. Sounds like you need to move.

On July 17 2014 01:09 IAmRobik wrote:

Palmar's so good he doesn't have to read games

On July 17 2014 01:15 Palmar wrote:


Super agree with the bolded. Notice for example how I eliminated OK's and Eden's team based on them and not their partners, and how ExO was instrumental in making Robik readable.

For townies it's twice the chance of doing someting that looks really town, and for mafia it's twice the chance of messing up.

On July 17 2014 01:17 IAmRobik wrote:

IF people knew that game that you named the password to our hydra "robertthebest" they would understand why your points against me were completely illogical

On July 17 2014 01:20 OnceKing wrote:
and I feel like PoE is kind of hard to deal with from scumside lol. Because it'll get to the point where it's not like there's a case against you that you can refute, it's just kinda well everyone else is town and you're not as town as them so you're scum

The only thing you can say to that is like, "oh i disagree, your process of elimination is wrong" which comes down to... eh. It's not nearly as defensible as an actual case.

On July 17 2014 01:25 IAmRobik wrote:

Yeah, but that meant that you couldn't think i was braindead in that game, but you were saying that i was bad, which meant that you had to be mafia, cause you couldn't think i'm bad

On July 17 2014 01:27 Palmar wrote:
Rayn's illness is lack of skillness

On July 17 2014 08:36 Tehpoofter wrote:


For the bh game? I stepped back and realized I was being selfish I'm taking the ban and sitting out twitter verse which looks fun as fuck.

On July 18 2014 23:18 Wile E. Coyote wrote:

It actually was one thing but you kept asking loaded questions.

Loaded questions aren't scum hunting my friend.

On July 19 2014 00:31 HaruRH wrote:
'Both of you are fucking terrible at this game and will never become good at this game'

This shit still rings in my head and I really don't want a repeat of such a game. By the way, it is a play I decided to make, not me being terrible at this game. So seeing this comment just made me rage. I didn't bother reading through the whole thing at that time.

'you were entirely unconvincing when you spent the whole game getting mad at people who disagreed with you and yelling at them like that was going to change their minds.'

Like I said, this was a play I chose to do. I never regretted doing this. I had to balance out glowingbear's interaction with the game - if I also interacted with the game, I am 100% sure we would be nk'ed n2. Therefore, I had to act retarded and try to smoke past d2, looking as bad as a nk as possible.
but.
you know what happened.

I just hope you realise everyone is smart enough in these mafia games to know what to do. Nobody is bullshitting for no reason - they have their own reasons. You don't just chalk everything up as 'bad play' and show them face.

I will see your future games and how you interact with others before deciding if I would like to play another game with you, but for now, to avoid me blowing myself out at d1 arguing with you in other games, I want to avoid playing any games with you. Also remember that you cannot regret doing something since it is already done.

'You certainly dished it back before and after I made my comment. I've chalked them up to heat-of-the-moment angry insults you didn't actually mean'

The insults aimed at you this game was made because you did the exact same to me and I raged. It wasn't heat of the moment.

On July 19 2014 01:22 OnceKing wrote:
i mean imo you just say whatever you have to say in order to get the result you want without crossing a line of personally insulting people
it's undoubtedly going to cause salt down the line but salt is natural and ever flowing, salt is part of the circle of trife and always happens after anyone loses at anything anyway.