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On July 12 2014 19:19 Eden1892 wrote:
haru can you restate that for me? i straight up don't understand how your responses match up with what marv is saying
Marv says robik, exo, eden are just names glowingbear threw in
I reply with how robik, exo and eden have been playing scummy
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On July 12 2014 19:24 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 19:21 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 19:14 Eden1892 wrote:
Unflipped associations time!
If you're right about Shiny Ursaring being mafia, marv, then that explains why there's no counterwagon: the other mafia is busing.
Slamroot set itself up to be bused when it got caught -- notice how both members completely drop any effort to defend themselves from pressing questions as soon as they're brought up. If we're being honest, sqrt's post that I called him out on which started the avalanche of suspicion on their slot wasn't this damning or obvious. It snowballed because Slamroot didn't bother responding to any accusations whatsoever. I would acknowledge that giving up straight away is probably suboptimal play for the mafia because I don't think it would have been very difficult to defuse suspicions about them; however, even if suboptimal, it still conceivably advances scum wincon by allowing the partner to bus for credit. As town behavior OTOH it's not merely suboptimal, it's completely nonsensical. Giving up, spamming the thread and getting mislynched by a case that could reasonably be refuted is literally 100% negative utility for town.
So of course there isn't gonna be a counterwagon, and this shouldn't discourage anyone from voting for Slamroot today. There's not gonna be a counterwagon because Slamroot's partner is going to bus because the current situation is unsalvageable. What we want to look for is a slot that's acknowledging Slamroot's guilt and probably even voting for them, but whose reasoning isn't sound and whose primary claimed suspicions are elsewhere (and relatively unexplained).
So far Shiny Ursaring fits the bill there and I'd be happy to lynch them tomorrow, but I think there's just no way Slamroot is town. WRONG WRONG WRONG Theres no counter wagon because NOBODY SET IT UP YET Its not too late to salvage the situation dude, if I was scum and slam is scum now, I can easily salvage this hole they jumped into easily Rather than thinking if we were bussing, think if slam is scum in the first place Glowingbear doesn't fit the bill at all. You're just looking for another town to steamroll through d2. So I understand from your intent that you want to -> lynch slam d1 into lynching us d2. Note that only scum would set up a d2 lynch before a d1. your actions have been recorded. no shit they've been recorded, i posted it in a public thread on the internet for all to see you've completely missed the boat on the point of my post, i'm trying to get marv off of your slot and onto lynching Slamroot because that's what i want for today. idgaf about the d2 lynch right now because we've already got the silly "there's no counterwagon so it must be a mislynch!" argument coming out and i'm not about to let this obvscum off the hook on that copout
Your intent was obviously setting us up as scum that is bussing slamroot. Stop trying to pretend it isn't.
The flow of your post goes like this:
1) if glowingbear is scum, he is bussing
2) slamroot is bussable due to how bad their response to being lynched was
3) they're scum because.....
4) no counterwagon because they're going to be bussed
5) looking for team which fits description of bussing
6) glowingbear fits the bill
7) happy to lynch glowingbear tomorrow
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On July 12 2014 19:25 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 19:23 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 19:19 Eden1892 wrote:
haru can you restate that for me? i straight up don't understand how your responses match up with what marv is saying Marv says robik, exo, eden are just names glowingbear threw in I reply with how robik, exo and eden have been playing scummy this didn't actually happen, you gave an explanation of how robik might have been shady to someone with no meta experience and then just handwaved the rest/didn't explain it
What the fuck
I explained that exo doesn't post jackshit as town on d1
He literally posts close to nothing
That giant read post of his is inherently scummy due to ^
Glowingbear have not posted his long wall of read yet, be patient.
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On July 12 2014 19:30 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 19:23 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 19:19 Eden1892 wrote:
haru can you restate that for me? i straight up don't understand how your responses match up with what marv is saying Marv says robik, exo, eden are just names glowingbear threw in I reply with how robik, exo and eden have been playing scummy As far as I can tell, you're just throwing together justifications for suspecting them. Yes, to be honest I would expect mderg rather than Robik. Or chairman ray. Or stratiform. or sinani. All these names fit his bill much more than Robik does. you've already explained HIS robik read more than HE has even tried to. Maybe you can see the problem with that.
Calm down
When glowingbear wakes up he will shock us all with his wall of reads so just sit tight and wait for it
This is like watching a movie, you need to wait for the climax
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On July 12 2014 21:07 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 14:35 GlowingBear wrote:
tl;dr: I have a scumread on The Wine Team and I have suspicions on ExO, Robik and Eden that I'll cover tomorrow while filter diving.
- WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear This will not happen. I guarantee it.
Oh kushi you don't know the power of glowingbear yet
Just you wait
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On July 12 2014 21:13 Koshi wrote:
I cant read the whole glowingbear vs slender thing. Someone smart do it please.
Alakaslam being so negative about this thread is really odd. Never seen it before and him doing it feels scummy.
I think slam and robik are feeling it
The feeling of wanting to play like how they normally do
But can't because it will destroy the game for their hydra
Such feels
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On July 12 2014 22:15 mderg wrote:I like lynching Team WeDemandALawyer much more than lynching Team Cabernet Sauvignon. I didn´t like GlowingBears contribution regarding the kenpachi rule. It was actually saying very little besides that it shouldn´t be discussed much. Seemed like a political type of post without any conclusion. Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear Haru´s defense of GlowingBear also didn´t really help. While I don´t think that defending your partner is alignment indicative in any way it was unclear for me what they discussed about the kenpachi rule in their quicktopic. What I don´t like about Haru are his townreads for questionable reasons. "palmer is confirmed town for saying he is confirmed town" just makes no sense. I as townie do not townread others for saying that they are town (Robik  ). I also don´t understand why he townread Robik here Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 00:34 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 00:32 IAmRobik wrote:On July 12 2014 00:28 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 14:31 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 12:38 Stratiform wrote:On July 11 2014 12:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Stratiform, I've never seen you before or played with you before.
Do you play here on TL often?
How familiar are you with the game mafia?
What is your take on the game so far? I've never played on TL, only irl and some facebook based games. I'm familiar with how mafia works. As for the game so far, I don't really see any information to cast more than suspicion on anyone. Fun question What merits casting more than suspicion then And who is your suspicion cast upon So I go to sleep and I wake up and this question still isn't answered... Stratiform pls -- Robik can you tell me what bunnies/poof have done that's scummy other than "they disagree with each other"? Alternately can you explain why disagreeing with your teammate is alignment indicative? I don't know. The only thing that really bothers me strongly is that they have differing reads based off of my previous experience with playing as a hydra and the two heads expressing differing reads -- it also happened in my first game with rayn and mocsta expressing different reads. So both hydras that I've played with that were mafia had different reads. The one hydra that I played with that had the same reads (mattisfoolish) had the same reads. it also MINORLY bothers me that bunnies is trying to push scum on me because I'm town, so that's pushing an anti-town agenda I was waiting for you to say that robik Top town Nothing in that Robik post stands out as town to me. There´s also no explanation for that read, so I see it as buddying with Robik. We all know that being on Robik´s good side makes things much easier. I´d say it was a calculated move. It´s also difficult to understand how they´re individually reading other players here. After these posts I have no idea how Haru is reading Robik and Exo anymore. While GlowingBear is supposedly scumreading them. Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 19:16 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 18:54 marvellosity wrote:I'm at my best friend's wedding today, so I'm leaving things in mderg's capable hands. He's probably going to make the final decision, not sure if/when I'll be able to check my phone. Few things I noted, mebbe they're useful or will be, maybe not. With slam/sqrt, check how easy the wagon is, I don't see any pushback for the lynch. I don't really get this weird martyring behaviour from a team of 2, you'd expect at least one of them to prop up the other. I don't know what that means. They're both unstable? Or it's a ploy? ?? I'm not used to Slam insulting the thread like this. That doesn't make me feel good. I'm tentatively ok with this lynch but with reservations I guess. Stratiform doesn't look quite so bad. Not sure about Palmar. Not gonna be around to judge him on today's play so meh. Poofter didn't bother playing. Many scumpoints. I've felt ok about bunnies, but Poofter dragging her down. Probably not lynch but I don't trust. Right now I like Haru/Glowing for mafia most. On July 12 2014 14:29 GlowingBear wrote:
So, for what I read until now, I have three main targets I want to read more: ExO, Robik and Eden. I'll filter dive them tomorrow, as I didn't have energy enough even to read through 50 long pages.
I have a stronger hunch on sqrt/alakaslam, as a lot of people were saying here.
Why these guys? Because my way of scumhunting is going through passivity and too much friendly behavior. Going against people there were being quite and being friendly was my best bet on my first game and when I did that most of my readings got the right guys.
On July 12 2014 15:29 GlowingBear wrote:
But I didn't said that... geez...
I had suspicions on you, which doesn't mean you're necessarily suspicious of overly friendly behavior or passivity... that's why I'll filter dive you, so I can get a better view of what gave me the feeling that you were suspicious.
My main scumhunting is attacking passivity/friendly behavior. It's not may only scumhunting method.
Throws in random names (Robik, ExO, Eden) and a couple of times states that he scumhunts through passivity and friendly behaviour. These 3 names don't make much (any?) sense in this context. Robik the most abrasive of them all, Eden has been active, ExO's argued his corner firmly enough. His description of what he's looking for -> these 3 names doesn't seem natural to me. He brings up Robik as suspicious again in a later post but again never explains why, again it is the opposite of what he's looking for in mafia. sqrt/Slam may have been passive to some extent maybe? They've been quite prickly too. There seems to be a whole bunch of other targets that conform to his self-professed view. Basically I find the 3 names he throws in, together with his self-styled description of scumhunting, together with how he introduced sqrt/slam as scummy after that, very suspicious indeed. My best bet for mafia right now. Really? From what I read, robik is playing weird at first. He isn't coming into the thread and turning it into a shitstorm. This is acceptable at first since he noted his intent to let exo learn. Also, his strong will to kill anyone who thinks he is scum (town|robik does this) makes me think he is scum. But glowingbear probably doesn't meta read him and thus it is also acceptable for glowingbear to have a suspicion on him. Glowingbear isn't just throwing out names. We had discussed about these people in the qt and my opinions differs from glowing's in these regards. Thus, glowingbear isnt just writing them off as scum as I have a conflicting opinion.Exo doesn't post jackshit d1 as town btw. eden doesn't make sense? Read the thread bro Sqrt/slam IS passive. Their posts were mostly replies and shit. So glowingbear is scum for saying he wants to scumhunt through passivity, but others who aren't doing shit isn't suspicious? (LIKE MDERG) Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 19:31 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 19:25 Eden1892 wrote:On July 12 2014 19:23 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 19:19 Eden1892 wrote:
haru can you restate that for me? i straight up don't understand how your responses match up with what marv is saying Marv says robik, exo, eden are just names glowingbear threw in I reply with how robik, exo and eden have been playing scummy this didn't actually happen, you gave an explanation of how robik might have been shady to someone with no meta experience and then just handwaved the rest/didn't explain it What the fuck I explained that exo doesn't post jackshit as town on d1 He literally posts close to nothing That giant read post of his is inherently scummy due to ^ Glowingbear have not posted his long wall of read yet, be patient. Also to note is that GlowingBear has quite a few posts mentioning not being there or why he´s posting slowly. + Show Spoiler +On July 11 2014 12:51 GlowingBear wrote:@sinani: I'm using a mobile and also working writing a novel, so I'm pretty slow ATM lol. Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 12:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear I like this post. Townie points. Btw: How happy are you with your team name this game? Do you need to call a lawyer? The"Double"D I love my team name! Everybody needs lawyers, regardless their actions. Someone most protect both victims and perpetrators. And I'm here for that! You can use my services by calling 87879-6969. (Not a real number) -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear On July 12 2014 01:42 GlowingBear wrote:
Or put the grapes on spoiler :p
Ok I think we have enough posts to make a case. When I get home, I'll reach my computer and do what I do best: filter diving. Then I'm going to bring cases. Expect a big post in around 4 hours since now.
Before I go, I must also say that focusing "townhunting" is worse than "scum hunting" in my opinion, because it gets easier to a scum to blend in your town circle and doesn't help to do a good lynch on day1, as you are going to choose who to lynch based on someone you just don't have a strong town read instead of lynching someone you have a strong scumread. On July 12 2014 07:41 GlowingBear wrote:
OMG just got back home and BOOM 45 pages to read.
Gonna take a shower, skim through the pages, filter dive my strongest scum read and give a case. Then, if I get enough energy, I'll filter dive other people's scum reads to give my opinion.
God, it will take a while.
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear On July 12 2014 14:29 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, I've read enough. I really can't read more right now, I tried to analyze every single page and it seems my head can't absorb that much information. I started to write a summary on what was going on but I've got no more energy to do. It's incomplete, but I will leave it here in case someone finds it useful: Half-ass summary: + Show Spoiler +
A) Game started with Eden claiming VT. Tehpoofter questioned it (indirectly btw). Got a wagon on him because of Kenpachi Rule policy. Bunnies and Eden started a discussion about the kenpachi rule and about Bunnies writing nonsense.
B) Robik posted about getting on the backseat while ExO would take the main point of his team. Got wagoned when Eden decided that this and Robik's vt claim was suspicious.
C) Rayn accused Eden's and tehpoofter's posts of being the worst of the thread. It can be viewed at page 22 as quoted by Ede. This is the game while on page 22.
D) marv/mderg starts posting at page 23 right after Exo express his will to hear about them.
E) Eden is questioned by marv and palmer for his vt claim. Eden insists in his vt claim. This is around page 24.
F) Palmar scumreads my posts because he thinks it was filled with fluff and unhelpful, then voted on me and Haru. Page 26.
G) Rayn decides to vote on me and Haru assuming that Haru was writing useless stuff when defending Palmar's push on me. 26-27
H) Robik posted and people got on him again, inquiring about his back seat attitude and his vt claim.
I) 32 - 36: sqrt starts giving reads on everybody, mostly null or town reads, except for Palmar because... he didn't confirm? o.O. People start to pressure him.
So, for what I read until now, I have three main targets I want to read more: ExO, Robik and Eden. I'll filter dive them tomorrow, as I didn't have energy enough even to read through 50 long pages. I have a stronger hunch on sqrt/alakaslam, as a lot of people were saying here. Why these guys? Because my way of scumhunting is going through passivity and too much friendly behavior. Going against people there were being quite and being friendly was my best bet on my first game and when I did that most of my readings got the right guys. I see this signals on sqrt's posts, mostly. Check out these quotes: sqrt's friendly quotes: + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 00:52 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 11:47 GlowingBear wrote:
/confirm
Hello guys, it's my second game here.
It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule?
Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team.
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear First post that catches my eye. This team is leaning town. First team to get a signature. On July 12 2014 00:55 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 13:00 OnceKing wrote:
i also think we should evaluate each person individually independent of who their other half is.
This may come to prove important. On July 12 2014 01:01 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 19:33 Eden1892 wrote:On July 11 2014 19:30 mderg wrote:On July 11 2014 19:26 Eden1892 wrote:On July 11 2014 18:50 marvellosity wrote:
I think I'm going to ignore Eden, dunno if he posts like a stupid kid for a particular reason, but it makes him look like a stupid kid and it's annoying to read his posts with terrible english. why would you ignore a confirmed townie? very sketchy play imo The last time I remember someone saying that he was confirmed townie he was actually scum. the last time I had a grilled cheese sandwich for dinner I got laid by a hot Russian chick later that night Eden is town. Last time I played with Eden, he was mafia, and he wasn't joking around like this. He came down hard on people. ![[image loading]](http://www.banfiwines.com/wp-content/uploads/cabernet-sauvignon-670x390.jpg) On July 12 2014 01:20 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Okay, rayn is first on my list. Town. Like I pointed out, this is an excellent post. Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also this is from my notes regarding my earlier post:
I felt like Eden is running out of arguments after the Kenpachi gambit. After the stuff he said does not sell to people he soft-calls out poofer for something really awful.
Also poofer's post was bad because this is not a normal hydra game and reading two people as one is a bad strategy, if someone is scummy they are likely to be scum. It does not matter how townie the other half looks.
Let's see if Palmar is paying attention to the game. He should most likely say these things in case he is town. On July 12 2014 01:24 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Haru is definitely strange. He is not acting like in previous games. I don't like him. His partner, Glowingbear, however, I do like. This: Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 00:19 GlowingBear wrote:On July 11 2014 21:28 Palmar wrote:Actually, I'm going to do this: ##Unvote
##Vote Team WeDemandALawyerThe reasons: 1. They both seemed excited to play pre-game, but haven't posted anything of value. 2. This post On July 11 2014 11:47 GlowingBear wrote:
/confirm
Hello guys, it's my second game here.
It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule?
Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team.
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear Specifically the bolded sentence feels like massively useless fluff observation. 3. This post On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear Talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about without giving any sort of an opinion on anyone in the game. I think it was sinani who pointed out that this post also came at a really awkward time, after people had mostly dropped the kenpachi thing. 3. This post On July 11 2014 19:59 HaruRH wrote:
/confirm
Robik is going to be afk? But exo is a d1 non-poster too...
Meh
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear
I like the summary of his opinion on the issue. "Meh". 1) Being excited =\= spamming. More than that, I wasn't posting anymore because I was sleeping. Different time zones hooray. I'm excited and I'm reading through everything but if you think not giving a opinion on someone is scummy, I'll say that giving free useless opinions on everyone is scummy. As I didn't know at the time what the Kenpachi rule was and as I said we needed more game to have a primary argument, I think it's pretty reasonable to just point out useless effort and wait to have more food to make a case, probably around midday. 2)Pointint out that I didn't know exactly what was happening because I didn't know the meaning of Kenpachi rule. How can I understand a fight if I can not understand the language? I think the team name bolding is very good so we can give a better analysis while diving through the topic. 3) See point 1. Also, I don't think it was unnecessary post as we were wasting breath on a useless subject by the moment, and I find scummy people who just spam things about useless objects, so town loses time and focus. It has already stopped, well, yes, but to the point you would say that I pratically necrobumped it? Check the post times or the distance between my post and the last "Kenpachi rule" post. It's less than a page. More: why would I bring the discussion back just to say "let's not discuss this"? If it was a misleading topic and I were scum, shouldn't I just keep the topic going on saying something like "oh we have to use this policy because of X"? Is a good post. Decent logic here. Overall, I'm on the fence with these guys.Haru, a question for you. Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 00:34 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 00:32 IAmRobik wrote:On July 12 2014 00:28 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 14:31 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 12:38 Stratiform wrote:On July 11 2014 12:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Stratiform, I've never seen you before or played with you before.
Do you play here on TL often?
How familiar are you with the game mafia?
What is your take on the game so far? I've never played on TL, only irl and some facebook based games. I'm familiar with how mafia works. As for the game so far, I don't really see any information to cast more than suspicion on anyone. Fun question What merits casting more than suspicion then And who is your suspicion cast upon So I go to sleep and I wake up and this question still isn't answered... Stratiform pls -- Robik can you tell me what bunnies/poof have done that's scummy other than "they disagree with each other"? Alternately can you explain why disagreeing with your teammate is alignment indicative? I don't know. The only thing that really bothers me strongly is that they have differing reads based off of my previous experience with playing as a hydra and the two heads expressing differing reads -- it also happened in my first game with rayn and mocsta expressing different reads. So both hydras that I've played with that were mafia had different reads. The one hydra that I played with that had the same reads (mattisfoolish) had the same reads. it also MINORLY bothers me that bunnies is trying to push scum on me because I'm town, so that's pushing an anti-town agenda I was waiting for you to say that robik Top town Why were you waiting for robik to say this? On July 12 2014 01:27 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Tehpoofter hasn't done much. No read on him.Bunnies, however, has talked alot. A lot lot. Bunnies isn't as helpful as in other games, to the best of my memory. She's not questioning anything, not pushing people, I don't like it. But I don't think we should lynch them because you usually don't lynch the most outspoken player, even if they're not posting all that useful stuff. Bunnies, any particular reason for not scumhunting? On July 12 2014 01:33 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Ray + tambo hasn't talked yet. No read. I've bolded most of his reads. He looks like he does not want to "get into the battlefield", mostly giving free townreads to people. What mostly bothers me: just one-liners. He made a push on Palmar, though: sqrt's vote on Palmar's: + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 01:31 sqrtofneg1 wrote:I do not like palmar. (this seems to be a trend) He hasn't /confirmed yet. First post: And then does nothing for a significant amount of time. Also this is not the palmar I saw when I played him. He was more analytical, more smart that game. This game, not so much. Stratiform, I don't have a clue. But this is my best read so far. They're mafia. ##Vote: Team Magic Computer Howerever, there is no strong argument to justify a lynch, as there is no strong argument to justify his townreads. If you check his filters, you will find tiny posts with little information and reasoning behind. It just looks like he is trying to look like he is contributing, but not contributing at all. But if he is scum, I'd better check Alakaslam also, because they are a team. If you filter dive him, you're going to find posts with no much useful information. Like this one: Hi Post from Alakaslam: + Show Spoiler +On July 11 2014 23:13 Alakaslam wrote:Well Hi So, although I'm not sure if alakaslam is not contributing more because he, at the time, didn't have enough food on anybody, and although he doesn't have an overly friendly behavior like sqrt, this lack of contribution fits sqrt's attitude until now. Slam gotta do better to change my vote. GlowingBear gives a scumread on Team Cabernet Sauvignon, the main point being that sqrt is not giving strong reads. (Note: at this point Team Cabernet Sauvignon is already under heavy pressure) So you can´t call this "going out on the battlefield". (complete case spoilered above) Overall they look pretty bad. There´s not that much behind their posts and the townreads feel like they´re given for free while the scumreads are OMGUS on rayn which is easy to get out of because it´s "just" OMGUS and an easy scumread on Team Cabernet Sauvignon (mostly sqrt). ##vote Team WeDemandALawyer
HAHAHAH mderg I don't want to call this read bad, but I have to
you chalk everything up as 'I dont know what they're doing so I ASSUME they are doing xyz....' you're making an ASS our of U and ME. So bad.
So you don't know why I townread robik, so you're going to ASSUME I did it to buddy him? Oh god no. Neither does buddying robik makes this game easy. Last game, you did the same shit and assumed but you flipped town, so i'm a bit hesitant to call you scum for trying to do this.
if you don't know why anyone did anything, ASK. Don't ASSUME. Making a case out of assumptions only make you look bad.
'HALU CALLS PALMER TOWN FOR CALLING HIMSELF TOWN HURR 100% SKUM'
'I NO UNDERSTANDS HALU TOWNLEAD LOBIK 100% SKUM'
'OVERALL LOOK BAD BECUZ TOWNLEAD LOOKS BAD LEL'
'SKUMLEADS BAD CUZ OMGUS LEL'
'SO I VOTE DEM LEL'
(ps. I apologise if you cannot stomache this, but I'm pissed that mderg is doing this.Very pissed.)
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On July 12 2014 23:01 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 22:40 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 22:15 mderg wrote:I like lynching Team WeDemandALawyer much more than lynching Team Cabernet Sauvignon. I didn´t like GlowingBears contribution regarding the kenpachi rule. It was actually saying very little besides that it shouldn´t be discussed much. Seemed like a political type of post without any conclusion. On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear Haru´s defense of GlowingBear also didn´t really help. While I don´t think that defending your partner is alignment indicative in any way it was unclear for me what they discussed about the kenpachi rule in their quicktopic. What I don´t like about Haru are his townreads for questionable reasons. "palmer is confirmed town for saying he is confirmed town" just makes no sense. I as townie do not townread others for saying that they are town (Robik ). I also don´t understand why he townread Robik here On July 12 2014 00:34 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 00:32 IAmRobik wrote:On July 12 2014 00:28 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 14:31 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 12:38 Stratiform wrote:On July 11 2014 12:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Stratiform, I've never seen you before or played with you before.
Do you play here on TL often?
How familiar are you with the game mafia?
What is your take on the game so far? I've never played on TL, only irl and some facebook based games. I'm familiar with how mafia works. As for the game so far, I don't really see any information to cast more than suspicion on anyone. Fun question What merits casting more than suspicion then And who is your suspicion cast upon So I go to sleep and I wake up and this question still isn't answered... Stratiform pls -- Robik can you tell me what bunnies/poof have done that's scummy other than "they disagree with each other"? Alternately can you explain why disagreeing with your teammate is alignment indicative? I don't know. The only thing that really bothers me strongly is that they have differing reads based off of my previous experience with playing as a hydra and the two heads expressing differing reads -- it also happened in my first game with rayn and mocsta expressing different reads. So both hydras that I've played with that were mafia had different reads. The one hydra that I played with that had the same reads (mattisfoolish) had the same reads. it also MINORLY bothers me that bunnies is trying to push scum on me because I'm town, so that's pushing an anti-town agenda I was waiting for you to say that robik Top town Nothing in that Robik post stands out as town to me. There´s also no explanation for that read, so I see it as buddying with Robik. We all know that being on Robik´s good side makes things much easier. I´d say it was a calculated move. It´s also difficult to understand how they´re individually reading other players here. After these posts I have no idea how Haru is reading Robik and Exo anymore. While GlowingBear is supposedly scumreading them. On July 12 2014 19:16 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 18:54 marvellosity wrote:I'm at my best friend's wedding today, so I'm leaving things in mderg's capable hands. He's probably going to make the final decision, not sure if/when I'll be able to check my phone. Few things I noted, mebbe they're useful or will be, maybe not. With slam/sqrt, check how easy the wagon is, I don't see any pushback for the lynch. I don't really get this weird martyring behaviour from a team of 2, you'd expect at least one of them to prop up the other. I don't know what that means. They're both unstable? Or it's a ploy? ?? I'm not used to Slam insulting the thread like this. That doesn't make me feel good. I'm tentatively ok with this lynch but with reservations I guess. Stratiform doesn't look quite so bad. Not sure about Palmar. Not gonna be around to judge him on today's play so meh. Poofter didn't bother playing. Many scumpoints. I've felt ok about bunnies, but Poofter dragging her down. Probably not lynch but I don't trust. Right now I like Haru/Glowing for mafia most. On July 12 2014 14:29 GlowingBear wrote:
So, for what I read until now, I have three main targets I want to read more: ExO, Robik and Eden. I'll filter dive them tomorrow, as I didn't have energy enough even to read through 50 long pages.
I have a stronger hunch on sqrt/alakaslam, as a lot of people were saying here.
Why these guys? Because my way of scumhunting is going through passivity and too much friendly behavior. Going against people there were being quite and being friendly was my best bet on my first game and when I did that most of my readings got the right guys.
On July 12 2014 15:29 GlowingBear wrote:
But I didn't said that... geez...
I had suspicions on you, which doesn't mean you're necessarily suspicious of overly friendly behavior or passivity... that's why I'll filter dive you, so I can get a better view of what gave me the feeling that you were suspicious.
My main scumhunting is attacking passivity/friendly behavior. It's not may only scumhunting method.
Throws in random names (Robik, ExO, Eden) and a couple of times states that he scumhunts through passivity and friendly behaviour. These 3 names don't make much (any?) sense in this context. Robik the most abrasive of them all, Eden has been active, ExO's argued his corner firmly enough. His description of what he's looking for -> these 3 names doesn't seem natural to me. He brings up Robik as suspicious again in a later post but again never explains why, again it is the opposite of what he's looking for in mafia. sqrt/Slam may have been passive to some extent maybe? They've been quite prickly too. There seems to be a whole bunch of other targets that conform to his self-professed view. Basically I find the 3 names he throws in, together with his self-styled description of scumhunting, together with how he introduced sqrt/slam as scummy after that, very suspicious indeed. My best bet for mafia right now. Really? From what I read, robik is playing weird at first. He isn't coming into the thread and turning it into a shitstorm. This is acceptable at first since he noted his intent to let exo learn. Also, his strong will to kill anyone who thinks he is scum (town|robik does this) makes me think he is scum. But glowingbear probably doesn't meta read him and thus it is also acceptable for glowingbear to have a suspicion on him. Glowingbear isn't just throwing out names. We had discussed about these people in the qt and my opinions differs from glowing's in these regards. Thus, glowingbear isnt just writing them off as scum as I have a conflicting opinion.Exo doesn't post jackshit d1 as town btw. eden doesn't make sense? Read the thread bro Sqrt/slam IS passive. Their posts were mostly replies and shit. So glowingbear is scum for saying he wants to scumhunt through passivity, but others who aren't doing shit isn't suspicious? (LIKE MDERG) On July 12 2014 19:31 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 19:25 Eden1892 wrote:On July 12 2014 19:23 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 19:19 Eden1892 wrote:
haru can you restate that for me? i straight up don't understand how your responses match up with what marv is saying Marv says robik, exo, eden are just names glowingbear threw in I reply with how robik, exo and eden have been playing scummy this didn't actually happen, you gave an explanation of how robik might have been shady to someone with no meta experience and then just handwaved the rest/didn't explain it What the fuck I explained that exo doesn't post jackshit as town on d1 He literally posts close to nothing That giant read post of his is inherently scummy due to ^ Glowingbear have not posted his long wall of read yet, be patient. Also to note is that GlowingBear has quite a few posts mentioning not being there or why he´s posting slowly. + Show Spoiler +On July 11 2014 12:51 GlowingBear wrote:@sinani: I'm using a mobile and also working writing a novel, so I'm pretty slow ATM lol. Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 12:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear I like this post. Townie points. Btw: How happy are you with your team name this game? Do you need to call a lawyer? The"Double"D I love my team name! Everybody needs lawyers, regardless their actions. Someone most protect both victims and perpetrators. And I'm here for that! You can use my services by calling 87879-6969. (Not a real number) -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear On July 12 2014 01:42 GlowingBear wrote:
Or put the grapes on spoiler :p
Ok I think we have enough posts to make a case. When I get home, I'll reach my computer and do what I do best: filter diving. Then I'm going to bring cases. Expect a big post in around 4 hours since now.
Before I go, I must also say that focusing "townhunting" is worse than "scum hunting" in my opinion, because it gets easier to a scum to blend in your town circle and doesn't help to do a good lynch on day1, as you are going to choose who to lynch based on someone you just don't have a strong town read instead of lynching someone you have a strong scumread. On July 12 2014 07:41 GlowingBear wrote:
OMG just got back home and BOOM 45 pages to read.
Gonna take a shower, skim through the pages, filter dive my strongest scum read and give a case. Then, if I get enough energy, I'll filter dive other people's scum reads to give my opinion.
God, it will take a while.
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear On July 12 2014 14:29 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, I've read enough. I really can't read more right now, I tried to analyze every single page and it seems my head can't absorb that much information. I started to write a summary on what was going on but I've got no more energy to do. It's incomplete, but I will leave it here in case someone finds it useful: Half-ass summary: + Show Spoiler +
A) Game started with Eden claiming VT. Tehpoofter questioned it (indirectly btw). Got a wagon on him because of Kenpachi Rule policy. Bunnies and Eden started a discussion about the kenpachi rule and about Bunnies writing nonsense.
B) Robik posted about getting on the backseat while ExO would take the main point of his team. Got wagoned when Eden decided that this and Robik's vt claim was suspicious.
C) Rayn accused Eden's and tehpoofter's posts of being the worst of the thread. It can be viewed at page 22 as quoted by Ede. This is the game while on page 22.
D) marv/mderg starts posting at page 23 right after Exo express his will to hear about them.
E) Eden is questioned by marv and palmer for his vt claim. Eden insists in his vt claim. This is around page 24.
F) Palmar scumreads my posts because he thinks it was filled with fluff and unhelpful, then voted on me and Haru. Page 26.
G) Rayn decides to vote on me and Haru assuming that Haru was writing useless stuff when defending Palmar's push on me. 26-27
H) Robik posted and people got on him again, inquiring about his back seat attitude and his vt claim.
I) 32 - 36: sqrt starts giving reads on everybody, mostly null or town reads, except for Palmar because... he didn't confirm? o.O. People start to pressure him.
So, for what I read until now, I have three main targets I want to read more: ExO, Robik and Eden. I'll filter dive them tomorrow, as I didn't have energy enough even to read through 50 long pages. I have a stronger hunch on sqrt/alakaslam, as a lot of people were saying here. Why these guys? Because my way of scumhunting is going through passivity and too much friendly behavior. Going against people there were being quite and being friendly was my best bet on my first game and when I did that most of my readings got the right guys. I see this signals on sqrt's posts, mostly. Check out these quotes: sqrt's friendly quotes: + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 00:52 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 11:47 GlowingBear wrote:
/confirm
Hello guys, it's my second game here.
It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule?
Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team.
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear First post that catches my eye. This team is leaning town. First team to get a signature. On July 12 2014 00:55 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 13:00 OnceKing wrote:
i also think we should evaluate each person individually independent of who their other half is.
This may come to prove important. On July 12 2014 01:01 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 19:33 Eden1892 wrote:On July 11 2014 19:30 mderg wrote:On July 11 2014 19:26 Eden1892 wrote:On July 11 2014 18:50 marvellosity wrote:
I think I'm going to ignore Eden, dunno if he posts like a stupid kid for a particular reason, but it makes him look like a stupid kid and it's annoying to read his posts with terrible english. why would you ignore a confirmed townie? very sketchy play imo The last time I remember someone saying that he was confirmed townie he was actually scum. the last time I had a grilled cheese sandwich for dinner I got laid by a hot Russian chick later that night Eden is town. Last time I played with Eden, he was mafia, and he wasn't joking around like this. He came down hard on people. On July 12 2014 01:20 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Okay, rayn is first on my list. Town. Like I pointed out, this is an excellent post. Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also this is from my notes regarding my earlier post:
I felt like Eden is running out of arguments after the Kenpachi gambit. After the stuff he said does not sell to people he soft-calls out poofer for something really awful.
Also poofer's post was bad because this is not a normal hydra game and reading two people as one is a bad strategy, if someone is scummy they are likely to be scum. It does not matter how townie the other half looks.
Let's see if Palmar is paying attention to the game. He should most likely say these things in case he is town. On July 12 2014 01:24 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Haru is definitely strange. He is not acting like in previous games. I don't like him. His partner, Glowingbear, however, I do like. This: Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 00:19 GlowingBear wrote:On July 11 2014 21:28 Palmar wrote:Actually, I'm going to do this: ##Unvote
##Vote Team WeDemandALawyerThe reasons: 1. They both seemed excited to play pre-game, but haven't posted anything of value. 2. This post On July 11 2014 11:47 GlowingBear wrote:
/confirm
Hello guys, it's my second game here.
It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule?
Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team.
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear Specifically the bolded sentence feels like massively useless fluff observation. 3. This post On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear Talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about without giving any sort of an opinion on anyone in the game. I think it was sinani who pointed out that this post also came at a really awkward time, after people had mostly dropped the kenpachi thing. 3. This post On July 11 2014 19:59 HaruRH wrote:
/confirm
Robik is going to be afk? But exo is a d1 non-poster too...
Meh
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear
I like the summary of his opinion on the issue. "Meh". 1) Being excited =\= spamming. More than that, I wasn't posting anymore because I was sleeping. Different time zones hooray. I'm excited and I'm reading through everything but if you think not giving a opinion on someone is scummy, I'll say that giving free useless opinions on everyone is scummy. As I didn't know at the time what the Kenpachi rule was and as I said we needed more game to have a primary argument, I think it's pretty reasonable to just point out useless effort and wait to have more food to make a case, probably around midday. 2)Pointint out that I didn't know exactly what was happening because I didn't know the meaning of Kenpachi rule. How can I understand a fight if I can not understand the language? I think the team name bolding is very good so we can give a better analysis while diving through the topic. 3) See point 1. Also, I don't think it was unnecessary post as we were wasting breath on a useless subject by the moment, and I find scummy people who just spam things about useless objects, so town loses time and focus. It has already stopped, well, yes, but to the point you would say that I pratically necrobumped it? Check the post times or the distance between my post and the last "Kenpachi rule" post. It's less than a page. More: why would I bring the discussion back just to say "let's not discuss this"? If it was a misleading topic and I were scum, shouldn't I just keep the topic going on saying something like "oh we have to use this policy because of X"? Is a good post. Decent logic here. Overall, I'm on the fence with these guys.Haru, a question for you. Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 00:34 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 00:32 IAmRobik wrote:On July 12 2014 00:28 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 14:31 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 12:38 Stratiform wrote:On July 11 2014 12:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Stratiform, I've never seen you before or played with you before.
Do you play here on TL often?
How familiar are you with the game mafia?
What is your take on the game so far? I've never played on TL, only irl and some facebook based games. I'm familiar with how mafia works. As for the game so far, I don't really see any information to cast more than suspicion on anyone. Fun question What merits casting more than suspicion then And who is your suspicion cast upon So I go to sleep and I wake up and this question still isn't answered... Stratiform pls -- Robik can you tell me what bunnies/poof have done that's scummy other than "they disagree with each other"? Alternately can you explain why disagreeing with your teammate is alignment indicative? I don't know. The only thing that really bothers me strongly is that they have differing reads based off of my previous experience with playing as a hydra and the two heads expressing differing reads -- it also happened in my first game with rayn and mocsta expressing different reads. So both hydras that I've played with that were mafia had different reads. The one hydra that I played with that had the same reads (mattisfoolish) had the same reads. it also MINORLY bothers me that bunnies is trying to push scum on me because I'm town, so that's pushing an anti-town agenda I was waiting for you to say that robik Top town Why were you waiting for robik to say this? On July 12 2014 01:27 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Tehpoofter hasn't done much. No read on him.Bunnies, however, has talked alot. A lot lot. Bunnies isn't as helpful as in other games, to the best of my memory. She's not questioning anything, not pushing people, I don't like it. But I don't think we should lynch them because you usually don't lynch the most outspoken player, even if they're not posting all that useful stuff. Bunnies, any particular reason for not scumhunting? On July 12 2014 01:33 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Ray + tambo hasn't talked yet. No read. I've bolded most of his reads. He looks like he does not want to "get into the battlefield", mostly giving free townreads to people. What mostly bothers me: just one-liners. He made a push on Palmar, though: sqrt's vote on Palmar's: + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 01:31 sqrtofneg1 wrote:I do not like palmar. (this seems to be a trend) He hasn't /confirmed yet. First post: And then does nothing for a significant amount of time. Also this is not the palmar I saw when I played him. He was more analytical, more smart that game. This game, not so much. Stratiform, I don't have a clue. But this is my best read so far. They're mafia. ##Vote: Team Magic Computer Howerever, there is no strong argument to justify a lynch, as there is no strong argument to justify his townreads. If you check his filters, you will find tiny posts with little information and reasoning behind. It just looks like he is trying to look like he is contributing, but not contributing at all. But if he is scum, I'd better check Alakaslam also, because they are a team. If you filter dive him, you're going to find posts with no much useful information. Like this one: Hi Post from Alakaslam: + Show Spoiler +On July 11 2014 23:13 Alakaslam wrote:Well Hi So, although I'm not sure if alakaslam is not contributing more because he, at the time, didn't have enough food on anybody, and although he doesn't have an overly friendly behavior like sqrt, this lack of contribution fits sqrt's attitude until now. Slam gotta do better to change my vote. GlowingBear gives a scumread on Team Cabernet Sauvignon, the main point being that sqrt is not giving strong reads. (Note: at this point Team Cabernet Sauvignon is already under heavy pressure) So you can´t call this "going out on the battlefield". (complete case spoilered above) Overall they look pretty bad. There´s not that much behind their posts and the townreads feel like they´re given for free while the scumreads are OMGUS on rayn which is easy to get out of because it´s "just" OMGUS and an easy scumread on Team Cabernet Sauvignon (mostly sqrt). ##vote Team WeDemandALawyer HAHAHAH mderg I don't want to call this read bad, but I have to you chalk everything up as 'I dont know what they're doing so I ASSUME they are doing xyz....' you're making an ASS our of U and ME. So bad. So you don't know why I townread robik, so you're going to ASSUME I did it to buddy him? Oh god no. Neither does buddying robik makes this game easy. Last game, you did the same shit and assumed but you flipped town, so i'm a bit hesitant to call you scum for trying to do this. if you don't know why anyone did anything, ASK. Don't ASSUME. Making a case out of assumptions only make you look bad. 'HALU CALLS PALMER TOWN FOR CALLING HIMSELF TOWN HURR 100% SKUM' 'I NO UNDERSTANDS HALU TOWNLEAD LOBIK 100% SKUM' 'OVERALL LOOK BAD BECUZ TOWNLEAD LOOKS BAD LEL' 'SKUMLEADS BAD CUZ OMGUS LEL' 'SO I VOTE DEM LEL' (ps. I apologise if you cannot stomache this, but I'm pissed that mderg is doing this.Very pissed.) This is completely different from that last game. I won´t discuss anything about that game since it is still going on. There was exactly one point were I assumed what your intentions were. That was the townread on Robik. Buddying Robik has a good chance of making the game easier. If he likes you, there´s a good chance that it becomes harder to push you because of him. I don´t appreciate your aggressive tone and I don´t think that it makes you look better.
I don't appreciate your bad read either.
That's it, I'm done talking with you. For any other inquiries, contact my lawyer, glowingbear.
Just to appease your sad assumption, I'll post the logic behind the 'weird read' on robik.
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Robik always talk about 'anti-town /anti-town agenda' when he is town and people call him scum:
So like, if we don't lynch anti-Robik people, we should probably lynch
this push on him is so anti-town it fucking hurts every single bone in my body.
Like literally. Go filterdive him on all his games.
So I was waiting for him to say this. And surely enough, he did.
On July 12 2014 00:32 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 00:28 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 14:31 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 12:38 Stratiform wrote:On July 11 2014 12:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Stratiform, I've never seen you before or played with you before.
Do you play here on TL often?
How familiar are you with the game mafia?
What is your take on the game so far? I've never played on TL, only irl and some facebook based games. I'm familiar with how mafia works. As for the game so far, I don't really see any information to cast more than suspicion on anyone. Fun question What merits casting more than suspicion then And who is your suspicion cast upon So I go to sleep and I wake up and this question still isn't answered... Stratiform pls -- Robik can you tell me what bunnies/poof have done that's scummy other than "they disagree with each other"? Alternately can you explain why disagreeing with your teammate is alignment indicative? I don't know. The only thing that really bothers me strongly is that they have differing reads based off of my previous experience with playing as a hydra and the two heads expressing differing reads -- it also happened in my first game with rayn and mocsta expressing different reads. So both hydras that I've played with that were mafia had different reads. The one hydra that I played with that had the same reads (mattisfoolish) had the same reads. it also MINORLY bothers me that bunnies is trying to push scum on me because I'm town, so that's pushing an anti-town agenda
My 'townread' on palmar is sarcasm.
On July 11 2014 21:41 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 21:37 Palmar wrote:On July 11 2014 21:34 HaruRH wrote:On July 11 2014 21:28 Palmar wrote:Actually, I'm going to do this: ##Unvote
##Vote Team WeDemandALawyerThe reasons: 1. They both seemed excited to play pre-game, but haven't posted anything of value. 2. This post On July 11 2014 11:47 GlowingBear wrote:
/confirm
Hello guys, it's my second game here.
It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule?
Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team.
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear Specifically the bolded sentence feels like massively useless fluff observation. 3. This post On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear Talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about without giving any sort of an opinion on anyone in the game. I think it was sinani who pointed out that this post also came at a really awkward time, after people had mostly dropped the kenpachi thing. 3. This post On July 11 2014 19:59 HaruRH wrote:
/confirm
Robik is going to be afk? But exo is a d1 non-poster too...
Meh
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear
I like the summary of his opinion on the issue. "Meh". 1) we were excited to play yes. But not terribly excited to talk about kenpachi rule for 10 pages. 2) this means we won't see robik/exo team for a whole of d1. Meh. 3) fluff = scum? UNICORNS AND DRAGONS WEEEEEE Good defense. I will now unvote you. Oh wait, I don't have anything better to vote for. Do you think my case on you guys makes me mafia? I don't think making a case on anyone makes you scum. #freedomofspeech -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear
On July 11 2014 21:47 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 21:45 Palmar wrote:On July 11 2014 21:41 HaruRH wrote:On July 11 2014 21:37 Palmar wrote:On July 11 2014 21:34 HaruRH wrote:On July 11 2014 21:28 Palmar wrote:Actually, I'm going to do this: ##Unvote
##Vote Team WeDemandALawyerThe reasons: 1. They both seemed excited to play pre-game, but haven't posted anything of value. 2. This post On July 11 2014 11:47 GlowingBear wrote:
/confirm
Hello guys, it's my second game here.
It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule?
Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team.
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear Specifically the bolded sentence feels like massively useless fluff observation. 3. This post On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear Talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about without giving any sort of an opinion on anyone in the game. I think it was sinani who pointed out that this post also came at a really awkward time, after people had mostly dropped the kenpachi thing. 3. This post On July 11 2014 19:59 HaruRH wrote:
/confirm
Robik is going to be afk? But exo is a d1 non-poster too...
Meh
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear
I like the summary of his opinion on the issue. "Meh". 1) we were excited to play yes. But not terribly excited to talk about kenpachi rule for 10 pages. 2) this means we won't see robik/exo team for a whole of d1. Meh. 3) fluff = scum? UNICORNS AND DRAGONS WEEEEEE Good defense. I will now unvote you. Oh wait, I don't have anything better to vote for. Do you think my case on you guys makes me mafia? I don't think making a case on anyone makes you scum. #freedomofspeech -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear Well if you are town, either I'm town, and I am mistaken accidentally, or I'm mafia, and I'm forcing a case by being maliciously ignorant. I don't want to omgus so early :/ So you're mistaken accidentally. -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear
Note: In this quote above, I did not even call palmar 'mistaken town', but just 'mistaken'
On July 11 2014 21:50 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 21:48 marvellosity wrote:
so I should get my vote on you now while it's still early and get a townread? But remember to unvote, or else you will be confirm scum after flip palmer is confirmed town for saying he is confirmed town-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear
read this bolded sentence ALOUD and tell me if you still think I am for serious.
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On July 12 2014 23:17 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 19:23 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 19:19 Eden1892 wrote:
haru can you restate that for me? i straight up don't understand how your responses match up with what marv is saying Marv says robik, exo, eden are just names glowingbear threw in I reply with how robik, exo and eden have been playing scummy Wait. what!?!? You're not scum-reading me based off of the exact same thing that you townread me for earlier in this very game? Ugh. Haru is so insanely scummy I can't handle it -- but glowingbear's post that I noted was so good
I NOT SCUMREADING YOU TOP TOWN I JUST SAID YOU LOOKED SCUMMY BUT YOU 100% TOWN
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On July 13 2014 00:49 Koshi wrote:
HaruRH, You read both Robik and Exo scum for doing protown actions?
no dude
I read robik as top town and exo as town
but idk what glowingbear's stance is on this so ill wait for him to post his big ass read post
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On July 13 2014 02:12 IAmRobik wrote:This post in particularShow nested quote +On June 26 2014 15:51 Alakaslam wrote:
We must fite, I must confirm town myself
So robik, do you think slam is scum? I have really never seen him post so much angry stuff before. I don't really know where his frustration is stemming from, but this is really weird. Not even powerrole|slam gets into such a hissyfit.
What you think?
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On July 13 2014 02:19 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:On July 13 2014 02:09 mderg wrote:
I´ve never seen slam this angry, not sure what to make of this. I actually liked how he started this game, his reaction to the kenpachi rule looked townie to me and he looked carefree. The lack of good content didn´t look too good, though. Overall slam himself is not particularly scummy to me.
sqrt however I don´t like. The lack of good reasoning/explanation of reads is concerning. He did take some clear stances like on Palmar and Eden earlier (both were unconvincing, though). I really didn´t like the sudden switch on Eden then. Overall that´s pointing towards scum but I´m not entirely convinced. I don't care if slam is pissed off, this is also a newbie game, if he thinks it's obvious he should explain why it is. If he gets angry for such little things he should try practicing muai thay or enter a anger management group. He's doing NOTHING to get his view clarified and to look like towny. He's just creating ruckus and a mess with posts. Being objective here: is that a town attitude or scum attitude? If you say "a pissed town attitude" then I'll remind that this is a newbie game and if he gets pissed with that, he should play "only vets" games. Koshi, I'll do that soon enough I agree he´s not helping town with this. If it wasn´t slam, I´d probably have a strong scumread on him.
Neither slam nor sqrt are helping town now.
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On July 13 2014 03:28 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 03:10 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I've given my reads.
Not wasting time elaborating on them.
Choose to take them into consideration or not.
Plus, reads, are just thoughts. One's thoughts are just thoughts. When I do flip town, you don't want to take my reads into consideration b/c they're just thoughts.
Have you considered that I don't want town to win anymore? After they mislynch me D1? First time getting D1ed for me. Ever, including a significant number of irl games.
But instead of not giving reads at all, I'm giving mine, just not explaining them.
Make do with them. Show nested quote +
Play to win.
This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing.
This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM your host if you need to leave the game.
you silly bear
not helping town win = helping scum win
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On July 13 2014 03:53 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Also, wtf haru?
That stealth vote.
I don't remember you ever being particularly scummy on my team....
I don't want to lynch a given up scum.
I want to lynch actual scum.
And I'm sheeping robik.
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On July 13 2014 04:06 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 04:04 HaruRH wrote:On July 13 2014 03:53 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Also, wtf haru?
That stealth vote.
I don't remember you ever being particularly scummy on my team.... I don't want to lynch a given up scum. I want to lynch actual scum. And I'm sheeping robik. you don't want to lynch scum o k a y this is too ridiculous to be scum, but you need to lynch Slamroot today with me. your target is not getting lynched today
A second wagon is always good ^^
I don't want to lynch this slam. So depressing.
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Recover your energy for d2 glowingbear, I need your skills
Slam got banned. Idk how though.
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On July 12 2014 14:57 TheSlenderMan wrote:
He's saying that they wanted to talk about the argument because it was being talked about. That's keeping up appearances.
Later Haru decides that they actually had the insanely Pro-Town aim of keeping a watch on the possibly Scum-influenced Kenpachi-argument.
Except that none of their posts actually imply such a motivation.
Instead of saying that they wanted to talk about the argument for the sake of it having been talked about, Haru could've said right from the get-go that they wanted to analyze the Kenpachi-argument because they thought it might be Scum-influenced.
Haru literally both says that he can't speak on Glow's behalf AND that he SHOULD speak on Glow's behalf since they had agreed together that the Kenpachi-argument could be Scum-influenced.
Child-ese enough? :D
Right.
I don't understand the problem with anything at all.
Both me and glowingbear think that this argument could be scum driven, but obvious we have neither any conclusive proof, nor any obvious reads to base off, so it is not important to tell you all our intents at all.
You also misread what I said. What I said is, I cannot speak on glowingbear's behalf for his intention, but I certainly can defend glowingbear on his intent for this kenpachi argument because we have the same thoughts.
Saying that we found scum from kenpachi argument is stupid because we got no conclusive evidence for anyone leaning scum for that. So its better to move on.
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I'm back and I'm pissed that people are bullying my bear. Give me 30 min to finish up my league game and ill crush your silly reads on us (IM LOOKING AT YOUR SHIT READ KOSHI)
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Alright, it's time to kill some haters and raep some scum
Case #1:
On July 15 2014 08:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i still think we should lynch haru/gb because of what's been said on D1. All of our team's filter is full of the case on them and i can't understand why noone has commented on any of it. My posts are hard to understand, i know, but Slendy's are not. Go read them with a bit of time please.
Also their defence (and pretty much all of their posts) consists of multiple omguses and "this thing happened 50 pages ago, just let go" (while never they did comment on the actual accusation in the first place while asked to do so multiple times).
Let me answer this for you:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 15 2014 03:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:pg31-40:sqrtofneg calls my posts townie. My posts have only commented on who i think is town or mafia. Doesn't contribute towards the reads in any way. If he thinks my cases are good why not vote? Why not pressure those people into talking more? marv and robik have a dumb fight. robik flip-flops on his reads. feels like he is running like a headless chicken and idk what to think of it. + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 01:24 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Haru is definitely strange. He is not acting like in previous games. I don't like him. His partner, Glowingbear, however, I do like. This: Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 00:19 GlowingBear wrote:On July 11 2014 21:28 Palmar wrote:Actually, I'm going to do this: ##Unvote
##Vote Team WeDemandALawyerThe reasons: 1. They both seemed excited to play pre-game, but haven't posted anything of value. 2. This post On July 11 2014 11:47 GlowingBear wrote:
/confirm
Hello guys, it's my second game here.
It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule?
Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team.
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear Specifically the bolded sentence feels like massively useless fluff observation. 3. This post On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear Talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about without giving any sort of an opinion on anyone in the game. I think it was sinani who pointed out that this post also came at a really awkward time, after people had mostly dropped the kenpachi thing. 3. This post On July 11 2014 19:59 HaruRH wrote:
/confirm
Robik is going to be afk? But exo is a d1 non-poster too...
Meh
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear
I like the summary of his opinion on the issue. "Meh". 1) Being excited =\= spamming. More than that, I wasn't posting anymore because I was sleeping. Different time zones hooray. I'm excited and I'm reading through everything but if you think not giving a opinion on someone is scummy, I'll say that giving free useless opinions on everyone is scummy. As I didn't know at the time what the Kenpachi rule was and as I said we needed more game to have a primary argument, I think it's pretty reasonable to just point out useless effort and wait to have more food to make a case, probably around midday. 2)Pointint out that I didn't know exactly what was happening because I didn't know the meaning of Kenpachi rule. How can I understand a fight if I can not understand the language? I think the team name bolding is very good so we can give a better analysis while diving through the topic. 3) See point 1. Also, I don't think it was unnecessary post as we were wasting breath on a useless subject by the moment, and I find scummy people who just spam things about useless objects, so town loses time and focus. It has already stopped, well, yes, but to the point you would say that I pratically necrobumped it? Check the post times or the distance between my post and the last "Kenpachi rule" post. It's less than a page. More: why would I bring the discussion back just to say "let's not discuss this"? If it was a misleading topic and I were scum, shouldn't I just keep the topic going on saying something like "oh we have to use this policy because of X"? Is a good post. Decent logic here. Overall, I'm on the fence with these guys. Haru, a question for you. Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 00:34 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 00:32 IAmRobik wrote:On July 12 2014 00:28 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 14:31 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 12:38 Stratiform wrote:On July 11 2014 12:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Stratiform, I've never seen you before or played with you before.
Do you play here on TL often?
How familiar are you with the game mafia?
What is your take on the game so far? I've never played on TL, only irl and some facebook based games. I'm familiar with how mafia works. As for the game so far, I don't really see any information to cast more than suspicion on anyone. Fun question What merits casting more than suspicion then And who is your suspicion cast upon So I go to sleep and I wake up and this question still isn't answered... Stratiform pls -- Robik can you tell me what bunnies/poof have done that's scummy other than "they disagree with each other"? Alternately can you explain why disagreeing with your teammate is alignment indicative? I don't know. The only thing that really bothers me strongly is that they have differing reads based off of my previous experience with playing as a hydra and the two heads expressing differing reads -- it also happened in my first game with rayn and mocsta expressing different reads. So both hydras that I've played with that were mafia had different reads. The one hydra that I played with that had the same reads (mattisfoolish) had the same reads. it also MINORLY bothers me that bunnies is trying to push scum on me because I'm town, so that's pushing an anti-town agenda I was waiting for you to say that robik Top town Why were you waiting for robik to say this? Now this logic does not make sense to me. How can my case be good and Glowingbear's answer to Palmar be good? That's impossible because my case / reasons for my vote were pretty much the same as Palmar's. + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 01:32 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 01:30 marvellosity wrote:On July 12 2014 01:27 IAmRobik wrote:On July 12 2014 01:27 marvellosity wrote:On July 12 2014 01:01 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On July 11 2014 19:33 Eden1892 wrote:On July 11 2014 19:30 mderg wrote:On July 11 2014 19:26 Eden1892 wrote:On July 11 2014 18:50 marvellosity wrote:
I think I'm going to ignore Eden, dunno if he posts like a stupid kid for a particular reason, but it makes him look like a stupid kid and it's annoying to read his posts with terrible english. why would you ignore a confirmed townie? very sketchy play imo The last time I remember someone saying that he was confirmed townie he was actually scum. the last time I had a grilled cheese sandwich for dinner I got laid by a hot Russian chick later that night Eden is town. Last time I played with Eden, he was mafia, and he wasn't joking around like this. He came down hard on people. I just checked this because I was interested, you're doing meta bad. Eden came out really quickly on someone in his towngame as well. - M&M Yeah, he went pretty HAM against me in his first newbie game. I had to n1 him. Bastard. Right. So in short sqrt is giving a townread based on false meta. This is bad. Don't think it makes sqrt mafia really, just that it's wrong. sqrt is irking me anyway. He's somewhere at the top of my to lynch list. But I gotta say, I agree with my town!buddy ExO...plammar looking shittier and shittier. sorry, i mean scummier and scummer ^_^ I don't understand why? This doesn't make any sense to me. + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 01:42 GlowingBear wrote:
Or put the grapes on spoiler :p
Ok I think we have enough posts to make a case. When I get home, I'll reach my computer and do what I do best: filter diving. Then I'm going to bring cases. Expect a big post in around 4 hours since now.
Before I go, I must also say that focusing "townhunting" is worse than "scum hunting" in my opinion, because it gets easier to a scum to blend in your town circle and doesn't help to do a good lynch on day1, as you are going to choose who to lynch based on someone you just don't have a strong town read instead of lynching someone you have a strong scumread. Still no answer to my questions and some basic fluff that says nothing... Palmar is not mafia. (pg37) Robik's teammate explain this please: + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 02:19 IAmRobik wrote:
My teammate is watching TI instead of playing the game. I try to push him to do more, but I don't think he can get over the hump of "fuck day 1" This is fucking stupid. Just plain out stupid. For the record i have posted nearly as much as ExO_ and i was genuinely unable to access internet for over two days... If you don't know what to do on D1 then the best thing is TO PLAY THE DAY 1 AND LEARN!!! + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 02:37 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, back, and I now that I think of it, rayn is suspicious. He sees something in my words that are flatly contradictory, calls me out on it, but doesn't push a lynch on me? That makes no sense. trololol srsly? pg41-50:+ Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 03:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv i'll read Palmar when the game goes on and so will you.
If he is scum we lynch him, if he is not we'll figure it out. Right now his vote is on a good place. lol. I beg to differ D: On July 12 2014 03:55 IAmRobik wrote:
Why would Rayn say that vote is in a good place, if he himself was not voting for Team FakeClaim?
I really don't want to reevaluate Rayn. I feel like whenever I switch my read on Rayn, I end up reverted to the first read anyway which was the proper one to begin with. I actually thought Palmar was voting for Haru/GB. + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 04:12 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 04:02 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On July 12 2014 03:57 goodkarma wrote:On July 12 2014 01:39 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On July 11 2014 21:13 sinani206 wrote:
hey palmar.
what do you think of robik. Why does sinani call out palmar in particular? Why hasn't he done anything yet? OK is better, but not by much. He also asks others of what they think of robik too. On July 11 2014 14:57 OnceKing wrote:
So based on what he's said thus far what think you of robik I'm not sure what to make of this team. I wouldn't mind lynching them.*insert grape picture here* Care to elaborate a bit on this? Asking questions and determining others' stances/reads is part of the game. And they have shared reads of their own. You say you wouldn't mind lynching them, yet you say you don't have much of a read on their alignment. I don't. But I wouldn't mind lynching them, because at that time, sinani had done practically nothing, and OK wasn't doing much either. Sinani's question struck me as strange. And I noticed that they both asked about robik. So it would have been a lurker lynch then? They've had reads and stuff at this point. Has your stance changed? And what does robik have to do with this? You assuming that they'd be scum railing against a townie robik? You haven't indicated you have any kind of townie read on robik. This is your last stance on him from your filter: Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 01:16 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On July 12 2014 00:57 IAmRobik wrote:TOWNIEST POST IN THE MOTHA FUCKIN THREAD. THIS GUY IS SO FUCKING BRUTALLY TOWN. IF ANYONE VOTES TO LYNCH HIM, YOU WILL FACE MY WRATH On July 12 2014 00:54 ExO_ wrote:Some thoughts: Team D-I tend to have weird hours that I can be on, and I'm not just reading the TL forums 24/7, so while I can't always be as active as robik saying I'm not doing anything now isn't really giving me a fair shake in my opinion (@27ninjabunnies). Every game I've seen 27nb in she goes around being very caustic and arrogant towards some people, and very nice to others. It seems to be regardless of her alignment. I find it to be unhelpful, as she goes off on tangents with wild accusations filled with bullshit reasoning for scum reads. What this means in terms of the game is it's hard for me to read her as mafia or town. But I think she does more to cause problems in a town, than actually help with finding scum and uniting the town players. Poofter isn't saying much and is kinda letting her get out in front. I don't know how to interpret that, but in World Cup poofter stayed kinda quiet until it came time to push me in the wrong directions. Nearly worked too  . So a null read on the team but I generally think constantly creating a toxic atmosphere for the town is a bad thing even if they are town. Team WhineSlam is posting a fuck ton of 1 liners/pictures/general nonsense (hijole?) and sqrtofneg1 is saying nothing at all. In larger games I think mafia lurking works better than in a smaller game such as this, but it's almost nothing to read off of. Will have to wait to see what they vote day 1 and what happens night 1 to really know what to think of them. Team VendettaStradaI'm not sure if they're both posting from the same account, but it looks like it's all raynpelioneet. In my limited experience here I haven't seen him before, and though he hasn't posted a fuck ton of stuff, seems townish it to me. Looks like he's contributing. Team needs a lawyerI always kinda read HaruRH scummy, he has a little bit of omgus going on, but I miss read him in world cup so it gives me pause. So I look over at glowing bear, and he hasn't said a whole lot either. Just got caught up in the Kenpachi business. But doesn't really read town to me. I lean scum here, but I'm hesitant. Team Magic CarpetNot a lot of posts from straightform just asking questions "Robik why won't u post?, Why would exo/robik not posting Day 1 not be bad for town" etc... Palmar calls out team lawyer for not posting anything of value, but I see very little of value from him at all. After reading his filter i think Palmar is the most scummy looking person so far in the thread. *scum read* Team GoodCornBadCornCompletely afk. Like 1 combined other than their /in posts. like what....? Do they not know the game is happening? No reads yet for obvious reasons Team Crotch RocketNot a lot being said from good Karma. Eden is posting quite a bit, and seems okay. I don't think mafia are going to be quite as active as eden is being, but it could be good coaching happening. Town read for now though Team Fraud walRusSinani saying hardly anything, OnceKing's vote on our team I think is bad: it's based on robik not playing the game, when robik has been pretty active. Hasn't really expanded on any reads and got pretty caught up in ol' kenpachi but I don't get a scum vibe from him. Null read Team M squaredmderg hasn't said too much, but I've generally liked and agreed with what marv has to say. I think Town So that leaves me with Town M squared Vendetta Strata (aka how can I make a parody of that team name) Rocket Crotch Null D- Whine* Goodcornbadcorn* Fraud walRus Scum Lawyer Magic Carpet *Mostly afk Unfortunately, I think I shall cast some doubt on this post. Some of these town reads are kind of fishy. Ex:
Not a lot being said from good Karma. Eden is posting quite a bit, and seems okay. I don't think mafia are going to be quite as active as eden is being, but it could be good coaching happening. Town read for now though
Not my cup of tea. Or this one
I'm not sure if they're both posting from the same account, but it looks like it's all raynpelioneet. In my limited experience here I haven't seen him before, and though he hasn't posted a fuck ton of stuff, seems townish it to me. Looks like he's contributing.
I'm not so sure he's town. But the post is definitely the best post so far. But some of these reads seem fabricated. + Show Spoiler + I like this post very much. Shows some actual reading & thinking and not just mindless shit like most of the last 10 pages were. + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 06:10 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 05:50 Stratiform wrote:Well I have some stuff to say about the game at least. I feel like rayn is town, and I don't think haru is necessarily mafia. On July 11 2014 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote: WeDemandALawyer I don't really think that in this situation voting without reasoning up front is reason to call someone scum. At this point in this game, I don't think mafia would sheep a vote without explanation, and then publicly declare it in the thread. I just don't see the logic from a mafia perspective. Haru is null because all he did was defend his teammate to the best of his ability, which you would want to do for either alignment. Also, although ExO has acted differently in other games, his massive post shows that he is putting a lot of effort into his reads. While I may not agree with all of them, I think it is a sign of town. Robik, while acting strange, isn't necessarily acting scummy. You dabbed through a few people's filters and posted the first thing that came to mind. ##vote: Team Magic Computer Haha this is exactly how i felt when i read the post above. Good CR good! Chairman Ray is town or he has learnt how to play as mafia. Most likely town. HI KOSHI!!!! NOW WE CAN BE WILL SMITH AND KOSHI AGAIN? Eden pushes sqrt. Good. Hoepfully he actually pushes it further later on. Slam not happy. Sad Slam is scum!Slam. + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 07:33 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 06:36 Stratiform wrote:On July 12 2014 06:24 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 12 2014 06:14 Stratiform wrote:
Not really. I posted my thoughts, not the very first thing that came to mind.
And also, that's a great second post, CR. Do you have anything else to say about the game so far? Ok, so those are your thoughts on the game Firstly, you gave a townread on rayn for sheeping a vote without giving reasoning. Why didn't you give the same read to the other people that did the same thing, like OnceKing? Is OnceKing not worth pocketing? Your null read on Haru. You basically said Haru did X, which isn't alignment indicative. Why did you feel the need to post it? You townread ExO for making a long post. Pretty weak reason to townread someone, especially since you disagree with his post. And since you disagree with his post, why haven't you even posted why you disagree with it? Your last read says that Robik isn't necessarily scummy. Again, what's the point of this? I disagree particularly with ExO's read on my team. I included Robik to show that I think both members of their team are town. I don't see OnceKing voting for team WeDemandALawyer in the voting thread. In fact, I only see Palmar and Rayn, so I mentioned Rayn. I mentioned Haru because there was sort of a back and forth between rayn and haru. Tbh I initially put him in there because I townread him but then I realized I didn't really have enough info to confirm it. I understand that you disagree with ExO's case. Given that he made a scumread on you, you have to disagree with it. However you didn't interact at all with the reasons he scumread you. You just called him town for doing it. You also called his partner town, and didn't give any real reason. For lesser experienced players, when someone scumreads them, a town will usually omgus with "if he thinks I'm mafia, then he has to be mafia", while scum will usually pocket the person that scumread them. You produced the most clean-cut pocketing that I have ever seen. Your townread on rayn still doesn't sit right with me. I'll drop the reasoning that you didn't townread OnceKing for the same thing. However the reasoning you have for townreading rayn is the most detailed and specific case you have posted by far, and you did it to give a townread on someone who isn't even getting lynched. That's scummy.Your Haru thing doesn't strike much confidence either. If you had a townread on him before you had any evidence, that means you tried to read him under the mentality that he is town. That points directly to you being scum. You mentioned earlier that you have scumhunting tactics. So far it's managed to find a lot of town. Also with your re-entrance post here really sounding like you are paranoid about your own image. We should totes lynch Stratiform today. I'd also be up for lynching sqrt, that guy's totes scummy as well. Chairman Ray could you explain the bolded part and how is that scummy? + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 10:40 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Also, mafia team
Koshi/CR
Salm/Sqrt?
Maybe exchange them for Palmer/Strat I have no fucking idea what this post is about. Except that it's terrible. Eden cannot be mafia except with Haru/GB team. pg 51-60: On July 12 2014 14:29 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, I've read enough. I really can't read more right now, I tried to analyze every single page and it seems my head can't absorb that much information. I started to write a summary on what was going on but I've got no more energy to do. It's incomplete, but I will leave it here in case someone finds it useful: Half-ass summary: + Show Spoiler +
A) Game started with Eden claiming VT. Tehpoofter questioned it (indirectly btw). Got a wagon on him because of Kenpachi Rule policy. Bunnies and Eden started a discussion about the kenpachi rule and about Bunnies writing nonsense.
B) Robik posted about getting on the backseat while ExO would take the main point of his team. Got wagoned when Eden decided that this and Robik's vt claim was suspicious.
C) Rayn accused Eden's and tehpoofter's posts of being the worst of the thread. It can be viewed at page 22 as quoted by Ede. This is the game while on page 22.
D) marv/mderg starts posting at page 23 right after Exo express his will to hear about them.
E) Eden is questioned by marv and palmer for his vt claim. Eden insists in his vt claim. This is around page 24.
F) Palmar scumreads my posts because he thinks it was filled with fluff and unhelpful, then voted on me and Haru. Page 26.
G) Rayn decides to vote on me and Haru assuming that Haru was writing useless stuff when defending Palmar's push on me. 26-27
H) Robik posted and people got on him again, inquiring about his back seat attitude and his vt claim.
I) 32 - 36: sqrt starts giving reads on everybody, mostly null or town reads, except for Palmar because... he didn't confirm? o.O. People start to pressure him.
So, for what I read until now, I have three main targets I want to read more: ExO, Robik and Eden. I'll filter dive them tomorrow, as I didn't have energy enough even to read through 50 long pages. I have a stronger hunch on sqrt/alakaslam, as a lot of people were saying here. Why these guys? Because my way of scumhunting is going through passivity and too much friendly behavior. Going against people there were being quite and being friendly was my best bet on my first game and when I did that most of my readings got the right guys. I see this signals on sqrt's posts, mostly. Check out these quotes: sqrt's friendly quotes: + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 00:52 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 11:47 GlowingBear wrote:/confirm Hello guys, it's my second game here. It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule? Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team. -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear First post that catches my eye. This team is leaning town. First team to get a signature. Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 00:55 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On July 11 2014 13:00 OnceKing wrote:
i also think we should evaluate each person individually independent of who their other half is.
This may come to prove important. Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 01:01 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On July 11 2014 19:33 Eden1892 wrote:On July 11 2014 19:30 mderg wrote:On July 11 2014 19:26 Eden1892 wrote:On July 11 2014 18:50 marvellosity wrote:
I think I'm going to ignore Eden, dunno if he posts like a stupid kid for a particular reason, but it makes him look like a stupid kid and it's annoying to read his posts with terrible english. why would you ignore a confirmed townie? very sketchy play imo The last time I remember someone saying that he was confirmed townie he was actually scum. the last time I had a grilled cheese sandwich for dinner I got laid by a hot Russian chick later that night Eden is town. Last time I played with Eden, he was mafia, and he wasn't joking around like this. He came down hard on people. Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 01:20 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Okay, rayn is first on my list. Town. Like I pointed out, this is an excellent post. On July 11 2014 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also this is from my notes regarding my earlier post:
I felt like Eden is running out of arguments after the Kenpachi gambit. After the stuff he said does not sell to people he soft-calls out poofer for something really awful.
Also poofer's post was bad because this is not a normal hydra game and reading two people as one is a bad strategy, if someone is scummy they are likely to be scum. It does not matter how townie the other half looks.
Let's see if Palmar is paying attention to the game. He should most likely say these things in case he is town. Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 01:24 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Haru is definitely strange. He is not acting like in previous games. I don't like him. His partner, Glowingbear, however, I do like. This: On July 12 2014 00:19 GlowingBear wrote:On July 11 2014 21:28 Palmar wrote:Actually, I'm going to do this: ##Unvote
##Vote Team WeDemandALawyerThe reasons: 1. They both seemed excited to play pre-game, but haven't posted anything of value. 2. This post On July 11 2014 11:47 GlowingBear wrote:
/confirm
Hello guys, it's my second game here.
It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule?
Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team.
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear Specifically the bolded sentence feels like massively useless fluff observation. 3. This post On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear Talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about without giving any sort of an opinion on anyone in the game. I think it was sinani who pointed out that this post also came at a really awkward time, after people had mostly dropped the kenpachi thing. 3. This post On July 11 2014 19:59 HaruRH wrote:
/confirm
Robik is going to be afk? But exo is a d1 non-poster too...
Meh
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear
I like the summary of his opinion on the issue. "Meh". 1) Being excited =\= spamming. More than that, I wasn't posting anymore because I was sleeping. Different time zones hooray. I'm excited and I'm reading through everything but if you think not giving a opinion on someone is scummy, I'll say that giving free useless opinions on everyone is scummy. As I didn't know at the time what the Kenpachi rule was and as I said we needed more game to have a primary argument, I think it's pretty reasonable to just point out useless effort and wait to have more food to make a case, probably around midday. 2)Pointint out that I didn't know exactly what was happening because I didn't know the meaning of Kenpachi rule. How can I understand a fight if I can not understand the language? I think the team name bolding is very good so we can give a better analysis while diving through the topic. 3) See point 1. Also, I don't think it was unnecessary post as we were wasting breath on a useless subject by the moment, and I find scummy people who just spam things about useless objects, so town loses time and focus. It has already stopped, well, yes, but to the point you would say that I pratically necrobumped it? Check the post times or the distance between my post and the last "Kenpachi rule" post. It's less than a page. More: why would I bring the discussion back just to say "let's not discuss this"? If it was a misleading topic and I were scum, shouldn't I just keep the topic going on saying something like "oh we have to use this policy because of X"? Is a good post. Decent logic here. Overall, I'm on the fence with these guys.Haru, a question for you. On July 12 2014 00:34 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 00:32 IAmRobik wrote:On July 12 2014 00:28 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 14:31 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 12:38 Stratiform wrote:On July 11 2014 12:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Stratiform, I've never seen you before or played with you before.
Do you play here on TL often?
How familiar are you with the game mafia?
What is your take on the game so far? I've never played on TL, only irl and some facebook based games. I'm familiar with how mafia works. As for the game so far, I don't really see any information to cast more than suspicion on anyone. Fun question What merits casting more than suspicion then And who is your suspicion cast upon So I go to sleep and I wake up and this question still isn't answered... Stratiform pls -- Robik can you tell me what bunnies/poof have done that's scummy other than "they disagree with each other"? Alternately can you explain why disagreeing with your teammate is alignment indicative? I don't know. The only thing that really bothers me strongly is that they have differing reads based off of my previous experience with playing as a hydra and the two heads expressing differing reads -- it also happened in my first game with rayn and mocsta expressing different reads. So both hydras that I've played with that were mafia had different reads. The one hydra that I played with that had the same reads (mattisfoolish) had the same reads. it also MINORLY bothers me that bunnies is trying to push scum on me because I'm town, so that's pushing an anti-town agenda I was waiting for you to say that robik Top town Why were you waiting for robik to say this? Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 01:27 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Tehpoofter hasn't done much. No read on him.Bunnies, however, has talked alot. A lot lot. Bunnies isn't as helpful as in other games, to the best of my memory. She's not questioning anything, not pushing people, I don't like it. But I don't think we should lynch them because you usually don't lynch the most outspoken player, even if they're not posting all that useful stuff. Bunnies, any particular reason for not scumhunting? Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 01:33 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Ray + tambo hasn't talked yet. No read. I've bolded most of his reads. He looks like he does not want to "get into the battlefield", mostly giving free townreads to people. What mostly bothers me: just one-liners. He made a push on Palmar, though: sqrt's vote on Palmar's: + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 01:31 sqrtofneg1 wrote:I do not like palmar. (this seems to be a trend) He hasn't /confirmed yet. First post: Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 04:25 Palmar wrote:Hi I am Pálmar And then does nothing for a significant amount of time. Also this is not the palmar I saw when I played him. He was more analytical, more smart that game. This game, not so much. Stratiform, I don't have a clue. But this is my best read so far. They're mafia. ##Vote: Team Magic Computer Howerever, there is no strong argument to justify a lynch, as there is no strong argument to justify his townreads. If you check his filters, you will find tiny posts with little information and reasoning behind. It just looks like he is trying to look like he is contributing, but not contributing at all. But if he is scum, I'd better check Alakaslam also, because they are a team. If you filter dive him, you're going to find posts with no much useful information. Like this one: Hi Post from Alakaslam: + Show Spoiler +On July 11 2014 23:13 Alakaslam wrote:Well Hi So, although I'm not sure if alakaslam is not contributing more because he, at the time, didn't have enough food on anybody, and although he doesn't have an overly friendly behavior like sqrt, this lack of contribution fits sqrt's attitude until now. Slam gotta do better to change my vote. I absolutely hate this post and this should be killed with fire. Definition of over-explaining a read with no real basis. + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 15:21 Eden1892 wrote:
ok friends here is a post count thus far, each number corresponds to the teams in the OP and the parentheses numbers are each poster
1: 31 posts (020/011)
2: 36 posts (025/011)
3: 99 posts (044/055)
4: 123 posts (031/092)
5: 64 posts (043/021)
6: 21 posts (009/012)
7: 80 posts (008/072)
8: 93 posts (077/016)
9: 89 posts (011/078)
10: 91 posts (076/015)
preliminary thoughts by team:
- slot 1 can stay, low posting but slenderman is doing work IMO, not killing this slot
- slot 2 is whatever i'll sort it out later but i would be ok killing it
- slot 3 is scum, we're killing today
- slot 4 is memorable as town + high-posting so we're not killing this slot
- slot 5 is oddly unmemorable for >60 posts, would be okay killing
- slot 6 TBD, low post count and not memorable but a lot of that is Koshi replacing in
- slot 7 is confirmed town, we're never killing this slot
- slot 8 is funny because robik said he wasn't gonna talk but then has a bunch of posts. also we're not killing this slot because it's memorable as town + high-posting
- slot 9 is confirmed town, we're never killing this slot
- slot 10 is unmemorable despite a lot of posting, would be okay killing this slot
tl;dr:
- slot 3 scum
- slots 1, 4, 7, 8, 9 are off the table
- slot 6 tbd
- slots 2, 6, 10 look good, probably in that order Well this post is absolutely.. ugh.. i don't even know what to say.. If you have time to make a post like this why don't you even put the playernames there. FYI people posting 5 times or 100 times in a certain amount of time does not make anyone town/mafia. Also how is Slenderman doing "good work" when you apparently don't even agree with his case OR my case (which is pretty much the same - just that Slendy dug deeper into it as i told him to in our QT before losing internet). What you are basically saying here is that "Haru/GB pair is really scummy but let's ignore the case and kill Slam/sqrt". That is not-townlike at all. + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 19:14 Eden1892 wrote:
Unflipped associations time!
If you're right about Shiny Ursaring being mafia, marv, then that explains why there's no counterwagon: the other mafia is busing.
Slamroot set itself up to be bused when it got caught -- notice how both members completely drop any effort to defend themselves from pressing questions as soon as they're brought up. If we're being honest, sqrt's post that I called him out on which started the avalanche of suspicion on their slot wasn't this damning or obvious. It snowballed because Slamroot didn't bother responding to any accusations whatsoever. I would acknowledge that giving up straight away is probably suboptimal play for the mafia because I don't think it would have been very difficult to defuse suspicions about them; however, even if suboptimal, it still conceivably advances scum wincon by allowing the partner to bus for credit. As town behavior OTOH it's not merely suboptimal, it's completely nonsensical. Giving up, spamming the thread and getting mislynched by a case that could reasonably be refuted is literally 100% negative utility for town.
So of course there isn't gonna be a counterwagon, and this shouldn't discourage anyone from voting for Slamroot today. There's not gonna be a counterwagon because Slamroot's partner is going to bus because the current situation is unsalvageable. What we want to look for is a slot that's acknowledging Slamroot's guilt and probably even voting for them, but whose reasoning isn't sound and whose primary claimed suspicions are elsewhere (and relatively unexplained).
So far Shiny Ursaring fits the bill there and I'd be happy to lynch them tomorrow, but I think there's just no way Slamroot is town. This post also makes no sense at all. + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2014 01:09 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 00:57 Alakaslam wrote:On July 13 2014 00:51 goodkarma wrote:On July 13 2014 00:28 Alakaslam wrote:
There is nothing to defend against you are all such sheep this game that I once again say all I have for you is pure acid
"Slam doesn't defend sqrt but his case wasn't even all that strong"
WHEN YOU YELLED LIKE WE WERE CONFIRMED SCUM! LOOK AT THE BULLSHIT LINKS THEY GAVE ME SUCH SHIT
NOW THEY ADMIT IT BECAUSE THEY ARE SCUM AND THEY ARE AFRAID I OUTED THEM
NOTICE ONLY TWO PEOPLE ARE PUSHING ME SO HARD AND THE REST ARE LOKE "meh well he didn't defend (lol!) and poly morphed into wormwood so I guess he is scum"
AS UNPLEASANT AS IT IS
READ MY FILTER There's almost nothing in your filter but complaining and image spam. You may have mentioned you didn't like Eden/OnceKing/maybe ninja, but there's been no followup. You bring it up and go into full spam/martyr mode. The way you've behaved, I'll see you lynched. Not just you, but your partner have been super-scummy all game. If you somehow actually are town, follow up on reads/make meaningful case points. The clock's a-tickin'. You suck. You actually suck. Or you are lying and didn't read, deserve to lose/scum And that's literally been the only argument I've seen for your scumsuspects. OMGUS. But let's for a moment assume that you're a townie. You act like scum. And your partner acts like scum. Why is it so hard for you to believe that while you continue to act like scum, there could be townies pushing your wagon? Until you present some kind of case or meaningful argument there's really nothing more to be said. You should be lynched. If you really are town that's martyred yourself you should be banned for playing against your wincon. Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:On July 13 2014 00:53 Koshi wrote:
When is the lynch? It's long right? Idgaf you are all so blind and tunneled it is poimtless and has been once my actual content was ignored I'm more than happy to see this "actual content" btw. I have yet to see it myself after going through your filter a few times over. Perhaps summarize/repost? There is one thing that bothers me alot in this post. Can anyone tell me what it is? Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 01:12 Koshi wrote:On July 13 2014 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:On July 13 2014 00:53 Koshi wrote:
When is the lynch? It's long right? Idgaf you are all so blind and tunneled it is poimtless and has been once my actual content was ignored If you are referring to the case you made about Eden talking about a Scum QT I am not impressed. Give me your read on OnceKing. I for one did not remember a single post of him and it seems like he has 5 pages of filter. You might got something there. Talk to me. bad Koshi bad. If you gonna play like this i will murder you. + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2014 01:16 Koshi wrote:
Meh, OnceKing his filter is pretty ok after reread. thank you. + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2014 01:21 Koshi wrote:
I feel like Alakaslam is lacking smart content. He is capable to say a lot of good stuff between the randomness. However, this game he is really angry for getting lynched while there is almost no good content.
That's why I am ok with his lynch over HaruRH/GlowingBear.
But I don't want to make marv and rayn mad. So what's it gonna be Koshi? dun dun...... + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2014 02:35 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Glowingbear's team town.
M&M town.
Robik/exo scum.
The other scum is probably either palmar's team or eden's team. I thought you thought i was scum? + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2014 02:49 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 02:41 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I shall not.
You shall lynch me either way.
You who have ears, let him hear.
Let my reads be known to those who choose to listen. how to play town: convince other towns that your scum are scum how to play scum: say things like this And you are definitely the most useless guy in this game. Unfortunately i don't know what does that make you. pg 61-70:ninjabunnies might be mafia. Onceking is the towniest town that has towned this town. Never lynching that pair. GlowingBear basically reposts what he said before.... Nothing new, no more elaboration (it was not the point that marv didn't understand his posts, the point was - if you read marv's post - that THERE WAS NOTHING CONCRETE IN THE READS!!!) They were based on stuff that makes noone mafia, at least that's how GlowingBear presents his arguments. Why isn't Robik more emo? Strong opinions and yell everyone to lynch the people he wants to regardless of if people even understand his reads or not = town!Robik (and no i don't mean the dumb shit he sometimes does). In general this is weird. Robik could you elaborate on this? + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2014 05:53 IAmRobik wrote:
Cause Haru is wise beyond words.
I'm voting you because:
1) you're trying to push scum on me incorrectly
2) banks isn't doing dick this game, and that's his scum meta
The reason to not vote you is that the point on Koshi/CR is kinda interesting and is what I was thinking...especially the koshi entrance. I thought that the CR one wasn't so bad, but it wasn't great either. He was really try-hard mafia in Order, but he was lackluster mafia in the small BH game. I'm gonna revisit that game and see how he entered/played I don't like (1). I like (2). Robert you bneed to get out of this crap you are pulling all the time. Yes, you do it as mafia aswell. Noone is scum if they think you are scum because townies can also think you are scum even when you are town. The truth is, you haven't said much this game. Not much content and not much town!Robik "spam" (i can't find a better word for it but at least you know what i mean). I can't see why i should think you are town, can you tell me why? + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2014 05:59 Tehpoofter wrote:
Robik you're typically not terrible bunnies told me about how slam/sqrt basically both conceded so hard not to vote them.(Even though everything I've heard about slam is that he loves playing scum and I find it hard to imagine him just straight up conceding a game as scum I haven't read in the thread where he did yet.) I'm more curious what you think about the Palmar/Marv/Rayn folks in the game (really excited rayn is back tbh) I read the part where you basically auto confirmed rayn off one post. Still like that read? The interactions that were had between like pages 24-29 (this is the way back machine as I read slow) between Marv/Palmar especially were weird. I feel like one if not both is mafia. I need to read the rest of the thread obviously but I'm curious about your reads on them. (If you've already given them just link the posts for faster viewing if you would be so kind)
Not reading the thread. WHY WOULD YOU EVEN SAY SOMETHING LIKE THIS???? + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2014 06:49 Eden1892 wrote:
ok with slenderman's superb vote switch the count is 5-2-1-1-1
the 2 wagon is fucking obvtown bunnies crew and has one person on it who's said he expects to end on the lead wagon so it's not even a counterwagon
great job team, if you're not on the slamroot wagon please explain why not Eden explain this post please. I can't understand what you are saying here. I do not like bunnies soft-defending Slam-sqrt like she does. She doesn't present an alternative, she doesn't say why anyone ELSE is more likely to be mafia. She just defends them for no reason... Explain why Slam as mafia would just not give up? + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2014 07:21 OnceKing wrote:
I have no clue where sinani or goodkarma are but it doesn't concern me since they're both town Elaborate on this OnceKing please. sinani is useless as fuck and GK looks... maybe okay.
EOD1:Okay so ~90% of the posts are fluff. Onceking is town. CR is town too. Eden looks fine after all i guess.. meh.. Ok & Eden were the two people who actually tried to do something on D1 (for reals). I'll probably check some older games from them (or most likely Eden, just because he had some shaky posts) just to see if they can play as scum aswell. I cheated and went on reading the N1 end because i got a strange feeling about Palmar as he hates fluff and all he posted was @EOD was fluff. You are all fuckers for not reading Slendy's posts, and i hate you all (not to say i would have disagreed with the lynch - as sqrt was scummy as fuck) just because Haru/GB pair is mafia and should be killed with fire. Bunnies doesn't look too dandy, she has a lot of posts that... really do not say anything at all. If Koshi does not start playing soon he is mafia. poofer has literally said nothing, so has sinani. I'll go onto N1 after sauna. [/spoiler]
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TL;DR:
Palmmar not scum
Robik is stupid
CR is town/learnt to play mafia
Eden not scum (unless we are scum)
... ...
SUDDENLY
Okay so ~90% of the posts are fluff.
Onceking is town. CR is town too. Eden looks fine after all i guess.. meh.. Ok & Eden were the two people who actually tried to do something on D1 (for reals). I'll probably check some older games from them (or most likely Eden, just because he had some shaky posts) just to see if they can play as scum aswell.
I cheated and went on reading the N1 end because i got a strange feeling about Palmar as he hates fluff and all he posted was @EOD was fluff. You are all fuckers for not reading Slendy's posts, and i hate you all (not to say i would have disagreed with the lynch - as sqrt was scummy as fuck) just because Haru/GB pair is mafia and should be killed with fire.
Bunnies doesn't look too dandy, she has a lot of posts that... really do not say anything at all. If Koshi does not start playing soon he is mafia. poofer has literally said nothing, so has sinani.
I'll go onto N1 after sauna.
THIS IS THE ONLY QUOTE OUT OF THE WHOLE FKING 'READ' SHIT HE DID THAT MENTIONED WE WERE SCUMMY. LITERALLY. AND HE IS CALLING US TOP SCUM NOW.
Haru The Judge's Final Rating:
rubbish read with 0% credibility, meant to look like he was reading the thread.
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