TL Mafia LXVII: Storm Mafia 2

On July 04 2014 23:46 Palmar wrote:

This is an open game, I sent out invitations to the participants of the first game. Wasn't even really invitations, just a request that they play!

On July 07 2014 09:10 27ninjabunnies wrote:


I'm just gonna start immediately voting you off.

You are mafia in too many games I play with you.

On July 07 2014 14:44 kushm4sta wrote:
i like the name cavalinho better.
obiwan shinobi reminds me of shitty star wars porn name.

On July 07 2014 21:15 iamperfection wrote:
i guarantee victory for town because im town so suck on that prplhz.

On July 07 2014 22:13 iamperfection wrote:

what a useless post.

you scum?

On July 07 2014 22:56 iamperfection wrote:
trying to buddy me after i threaten to murder you?

On July 07 2014 23:32 iamperfection wrote:
enough with the stupid riddles

On July 07 2014 23:36 iamperfection wrote:

I'm nobody's bro.

On July 07 2014 23:43 iamperfection wrote:

ive only been mislynched once. it doesn't happen

On July 07 2014 23:51 Forumite wrote:

What conclusions? My read on Koshi? My read on prplhz? My thoughts on lynching early or risk a rushed lynch or a no lynch? Do you enjoy the voting frenzy 5 minutes before deadline followed by yet another town lynch, because I don´t.

On July 07 2014 23:59 prplhz wrote:

how is his meta read on me unfounded?

On July 08 2014 00:01 iamperfection wrote:

because he didn't give any reasons he just said meta.

On July 08 2014 00:04 mderg wrote:

Do you actually think that I was serious?

On July 08 2014 00:11 mderg wrote:

I won´t respond to this properly since I would have to discuss an ongoing game.

On July 08 2014 00:21 iamperfection wrote:

he is not in this game dear.

On July 08 2014 00:21 Forumite wrote:
I have a long career of mislynching you after a weak scumread leads me to tunnel and ruin it for town. Since then I interpret weak scumreads on you as strong signs of townieness.

On July 08 2014 00:25 IAmRobik wrote:
The only thing that gives me pause for concern is how easy it is to jump down forumite's throat. Each post is just scummier and scummier since his opening

On July 08 2014 00:32 yamato77 wrote:

It worries me that Forumite seems so utterly convinced of his prplhz read that he would say something like the bolded.

On July 08 2014 00:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
robik arent you doing the exact same thing though

On July 08 2014 00:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote:




robik explain this pls, explain why its okay for you to do this but its not okay for others to do this.

On July 08 2014 00:50 VisceraEyes wrote:

My posts have been concise bitch. You're either just trying to piss me off or you're scum. Which is it?

On July 08 2014 01:17 kushm4sta wrote:
now mafia has to suffer because i broke that promise.

On July 08 2014 01:20 kushm4sta wrote:
thanks robik. friends dont let friends big games.

On July 08 2014 01:24 kushm4sta wrote:
rob i haven't look at my role pm yet but nice theory. the issue is it's too many pages to read.

On July 08 2014 01:37 Vivax wrote:
Can Cav, Robik and VE explain what about kush's post makes him instascum?

On July 08 2014 01:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


i voted him to blend in with the town.

i was really hoping nobody would call me on it shit gg.

On July 08 2014 01:46 kushm4sta wrote:


my crusade is righteous.

On July 08 2014 01:48 kushm4sta wrote:
but you realize i could have said nothing and avoid your vig/plynch right?
that is the true crime i want to bring awareness to.

On July 08 2014 01:53 kushm4sta wrote:


NOPE. not looking at your role pm until n1 is neutral to a town wincon and greatly favors a scum wincon. Therefore it is to your advantage to do every game.

On July 08 2014 02:00 Toadesstern wrote:

nah, the whole point of the post is to explain that I've got two conflicting points about him.

1) the mini-case on him which certainly makes him look like he's not town
2) his reaction to all this, which does makes him look like town in my book

I think both points are really good, at the least we've had a bunch of people stating that 1) is good so far, but most people ignore to give the 2nd one some thought, which makes it important enough to be pointed out.

It's a post to get more opinions from people though. I'm not trying to get someone lynched with it. I want to hear what people make of it.

But his response is so damn ballsy that I want some more posts from him

On July 08 2014 02:03 kushm4sta wrote:


rob that's dumb. it's way too soon. give it a few days then if no one really scummy emerges I will help plynch myself.

On July 08 2014 02:05 Vivax wrote:
Yea kush stop being an ass and read your PM if you haven't.

Does somebody else want to chime in onto VE and forumite, who fucked off x2 or am I fighting a lonely fight?

Robik, did you already forget that kush claiming to not have read his PM has happened in the recent past and I don't recall you going instalynch on him?

I did though cause he wasn't trying to solve the game, initially, but I wouldn't get that notion just from his first post.

On July 08 2014 02:12 Toadesstern wrote:
If anything I trust my mini-case way more than my judgement about how likely he is to slip or not, so if anything he's still way on the mafia-side of reads. I'm just having 2nd thoughts about it because of his ballsyness.

If you're such a god that you don't ever question yourself 10 hours into the game and think everything you've said has to be correct, be my guest to take that stance but I won't. And I won't listen to a thing you say if you actually think that's how people should play mafia like.

On July 08 2014 02:22 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Robik, why the hell you didn't tell me the game started?! Such a friend you are.

Seriously thought this game was starting later in the day!!!

Eeek.

Hi guys! How's it going?!

On July 08 2014 02:05 Vivax wrote:
Yea kush stop being an ass and read your PM if you haven't.

Does somebody else want to chime in onto VE and forumite, who fucked off x2 or am I fighting a lonely fight?

Robik, did you already forget that kush claiming to not have read his PM has happened in the recent past and I don't recall you going instalynch on him?

I did though cause he wasn't trying to solve the game, initially, but I wouldn't get that notion just from his first post.

why do bad things happen to good people?

fuck big games. fuck big games where i get scum. I don't have the motivation to not be a lurking piece of shit

On July 08 2014 02:43 Corazon wrote:
Alright I'm just going to go over a few things I noted from reading through. If you guys want me to talk about another player (or expand my thoughts on one player), simply ask away.

Koshi: Koshi's just being Koshi. I've never liked the 2% of effort he puts into Mafia but I can't crucify him for that. He's actually made a few decent points trying to keep people honest about their reads. Even if I thought he was the scummiest player in the game, it wouldn't be worth it to go after him at this point.

Forumite: I can understand Forumite's meta-read on Prp. I've done the same thing with Marv just to be able to focus on other targets. His vote on Koshi seems simply misguided because he's just voting Koshi for being Koshi, something that an over-zealous townie would do. I also disagree about his point with getting a lynch done within 24 hours, but I don't see anything forced or fabricated in his explanation.

Toad: I'm slightly more concerned about Toad. His Prp vote looks absolutely terrible to me because he voted him for being "depressing" and "not optomistic" about town's chances when in all fairness, Prp is probably right about how this town is going to fare and realistic-Corazon would have to agree with Prp. It's even worse that when questioned, Toad goes into this semi-long rant about how town is just sitting on their asses and he is the only one trying and blah blah blah. While this may have been a town tell in early 2013, it just gives me the feeling that he is trying way too hard to look townie and not really being genuine when it comes to scumhunting. Yes, some of my reasoning is due to the fact that we have different views on how good town can be in TL Mafia, but my scum read on Toad isn't terribly strong and I do appreciate the fact that he is at least contributing, which cannot be said for a lot of other people.

Robik: Oh, where do I start with this fool. Has he said one important thing this entire game? All of his scum/town reads are being thrown out with little to no reasoning and his buddying of Iamp after Iamp suspected him looks very scummy to me. He's just shitting up the thread and is my #1 scum candidate right now (which doesn't mean much since a lot of people have not posted too much, but if people continue to lurk/not scream scum to me, I'd like to lynch Robik today).

On July 08 2014 02:48 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So here's what I have so far. Koshi Top Town for this post:


It's so stupid that it has to be town.

We should worry that Robik is mafia when Robik calls me his top town.

I'm on page 10 right now, but wanted to post this.

I read fast biatches.

Also, iamperfection pretty townie.

On July 08 2014 02:49 Koshi wrote:
Cora I like your Robik read. The rest I disagree with 100%. Except for the line you say I am only caring for 2%, I disagree with that point for 98%. Totes care.

On July 08 2014 02:43 Corazon wrote:
Forumite: I can understand Forumite's meta-read on Prp.

On July 08 2014 02:43 Corazon wrote:
Toad: I'm slightly more concerned about Toad. His Prp vote looks absolutely terrible to me because he voted him for being "depressing" and "not optomistic" about town's chances when in all fairness, Prp is probably right about how this town is going to fare and realistic-Corazon would have to agree with Prp. It's even worse that when questioned, Toad goes into this semi-long rant about how town is just sitting on their asses and he is the only one trying and blah blah blah. While this may have been a town tell in early 2013, it just gives me the feeling that he is trying way too hard to look townie and not really being genuine when it comes to scumhunting. Yes, some of my reasoning is due to the fact that we have different views on how good town can be in TL Mafia, but my scum read on Toad isn't terribly strong and I do appreciate the fact that he is at least contributing, which cannot be said for a lot of other people.

On July 08 2014 02:43 Corazon wrote:
Robik: Oh, where do I start with this fool. Has he said one important thing this entire game? All of his scum/town reads are being thrown out with little to no reasoning and his buddying of Iamp after Iamp suspected him looks very scummy to me. He's just shitting up the thread and is my #1 scum candidate right now (which doesn't mean much since a lot of people have not posted too much, but if people continue to lurk/not scream scum to me, I'd like to lynch Robik today).

On July 08 2014 02:53 Koshi wrote:

No. I think that the point that Cora raised about your filter being pretty useless is true. Maybe in your world your filter is not useless because you are doing things, just like I find that my filter is the most awesome thing ever always, but it's not like you are doing crazy Robiktheamazingmagus things atm.

It's more looking like you trying to get a big filter. And your stuff with Kush is boring and dumb.

On July 08 2014 02:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Yeah, but nobody was in that game besides banks, who died n1.
And it's video mafia. Doesn't count here.
And I was town that game.
So tbh, Idc what you think.

On July 08 2014 03:01 Koshi wrote:
Robik, I also tend to spam a lot "Guys, I am totes town" as town and I am upset when people don't see me as town when I am totes being honest but in reality spamming that you are town when people raise legit arguments around you works against you.

Also remember how I a dick towards you in some game because you were a dick and I like to keep people honest? This game has other rules so let's be like really really friendly because we can.

On July 08 2014 03:02 Toadesstern wrote:

holy crap. This is the weakest, most "here's something I got but I'm TOTALLY NOT SURE SO DON'T TAKE IS SERIOUS PLS" post I've ever read

Lynch this guy pretty please
##vote Corazon

On July 08 2014 03:04 layabout wrote:
you know when you wake up and just cant face the day?

shit spins and you can think or walk straight

that's how i feel right now

On July 08 2014 03:05 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Awwwww <3

Stop drinking so much.

*Hugs layabout*

On July 08 2014 03:09 batsnacks wrote:
Robik was a lot more pissed off last game when someone (me) called him mafia early. He didn't say stuff like "HEE HAW HEE HAW," "DAFUQ," "bad bad bad," etc. like he is right now.

On July 04 2014 09:07 Palmar wrote:



[list]
[*] 1. Don't be a dick.

[*] 2. I will modkill you if you're a dick. Modkilling is completely at my discretion so don't try to skirt the rules, or get out on technicalities. If you're not sure you can do something, ask me before you do.

On July 08 2014 03:12 Koshi wrote:

You say all that but things like: "I am voting Kush because of the mafia meta case I posted on him" are sitting wrong with me. Because we both played in another game recently in which Kush flipped town and he did the exact same thing. You were being an ass to him about it back then I think? I don't even remember. But I think you were. And when I say "an ass" I mean scumreading him. And while you were doing that Kush actually voted for tehpoofter who flipped scum.

Now somebody here even said that he wouldn't do it when he is blue. Now guess what? In that other game. hmm hmm. Only talking about flips here.

So. In this game Kush is doing the same thing tbh. Maybe a bit less spectacular. So yeah. Maybe he is totes scum and pretending to be the same. But Kush is an atypical player. So maybe he is just honest. So. Who knows?

Fact is. You are not considering all these things you see. I don't like it.

That's why I am not totally impressed with Robiktheamazingmagus.

But not scumreading you. Just hoping you are more amazing than pushing this silly plynch. And now that I have seen that you can push silly things I need to really make it known to you that you can push silly things. You lost the "benefit of the doubt". I encourage you to retake it.

I am totes a smart player sheeper. You should be offended I am not sheeping you anymore.

On July 08 2014 03:14 batsnacks wrote:


Order was the game I was talking about I don't think there was another game?

On July 08 2014 03:18 iamperfection wrote:

Really didn't know you operated that way.

On July 08 2014 03:22 batsnacks wrote:


Yeah you say stuff like that a lot in the games I've played with you as both alignments.

In the one game I played when you were mafia though (Order) you were a lot more upset when someone called you mafia early. Not in the sense that you were being a dick, but in the sense that you were genuinely upset/angry/nervous or something. I don't think you are posting differently from then because "don't be a dick" is in the rules this game.

On July 08 2014 03:25 IAmRobik wrote:

So am I town or am I mafia. You're really not being clear about what you're trying to say.

(The correct answer is "I think you're town", so that you can get post-game props for being right)

On July 08 2014 03:30 batsnacks wrote:
You weren't asking a question.

So am I town or am I mafia?

On July 08 2014 03:40 Forumite wrote:
I think I did this in an earlier game, stating that I have a townread on prplhz for the exact same reason. It ended up disrupting town discussion for most of D1. I should probably stop doing this. Anyway I know I'm shitty at reading anything prplhz does so to make it simple for myself I just won´t vote for him without a VERY good reason.

On Toades, I don´t know. It´s OMGUS for voting me and the opposite for (nearly) dropping the case a few hours later. Him pushing for me makes it hard for me to be objective about his play. Others seem to think it makes him slightly townie, whatever.

Koshi, I still think he´s scummy, even more than the usual OMGUS for pushing me. His case on me felt like he waited to hitch on to Toades case, adding his own complex reasonings to explain why scum would do what I did, basically WIFOM. He also accused me of calling Toades scum, which I´m fairly sure I never did. I´m leaving my vote on Koshi.

Toades, did you have any questions for me?

On July 08 2014 03:48 Corazon wrote:

Do I even have a position? No one (besides Koshi) has commented on any of my reads so far. I'd love to have a position but you're not helping me out here

There's Toad but he doesn't have an actual reason to vote for me so I don't really count him.

On July 08 2014 04:14 Corazon wrote:

Iamp are you just like not reading this guy's posts or...?

On July 08 2014 02:57 IAmRobik wrote:

WHAT!??!?! How can you understand a read that's justified by absolute nonsensical BS? God, I feel like I'm surrounded by people who don't know how to formulate logical thoughts.


You're being hypocritical here. You're saying that Toad's vote isn't genuine because Toad's vote on prplhz for being depressed isn't genuine, but then you say that you are also not happy or optimistic about town's chances. DAFUQ? You're reads are absolutely bizarre.


Please show me what I've said that isn't important.
Please tell me which reads of mine are thrown out with no reasoning
Please don't call me mafia ever again cause that's a bad bad bad tactic if you're town

On July 08 2014 04:19 Corazon wrote:
1. I explained that in that same post.
2. Already answered.
3a Everything
3b All of them
3c Actually start playing the game

P.S. Sorry for calling you Robin, mixed up your name.

On July 08 2014 04:23 yamato77 wrote:

Not Cora.

Stop bullying the thread. No one is going to listen to your ramblings.

On July 08 2014 04:34 Koshi wrote:
Robik, why is Vivax joking?

On July 08 2014 04:37 yamato77 wrote:
Though I kind of do agree with Vivax that VE did seem intent on scumreading him from the outset, I just don't know that VE is mafia picking Vivax as a premeditated murder victim, or if he's town and just failed to accurately express his suspicions the first go around.

On July 08 2014 04:41 yamato77 wrote:
Rob, you're posting lots of things, but many of them aren't really helping anyone find mafia.

Its good that you have reads, but I don't find them very convincing. I have my own reads, and I trust my methods more than yours. You should trust my methods, I've played with many of these players far more than you have.

On July 08 2014 04:40 Koshi wrote:
Ok. My crisis is gone.
Carry on.

On July 08 2014 04:46 yamato77 wrote:

Exo could be the classic frozen newbie mafia

He's a newb, right?

On July 08 2014 04:57 ritoky wrote:


? where did you get the no reason at all part? didn't he post earlier that in all games where he got a slight scum read early on prp that prp ended up flipping town. as a result he has decided to flip his read? so when he get slight scum -> town, when gets town -> slight scum? i think he even posted about how he got the slight scum feels too when someone questioned it.

you read the thread bro?

On July 08 2014 05:04 27ninjabunnies wrote:
People I like
Robik
Toad
Koshi
Kush
Iamperfection
Batsnacks

People I don't Like
Yamato
ExO
Damdred

People I don't necessarily care for but wouldn't lynch today
Vivax
VE
Layabout
Robik
Forumite
Cora

Drunk
Layabout


I'm caught up with the thread and will be commenting/asking questions from here on out.

Anybody in the Don't like list can be shot or lynched.

If you want reads for any of them ask me.

Also, if you want my opinion on a certain subject talked about in the last whatever pages, ask me.

Otherwise, I'm not commenting much on anything from before this post unless asked to.

Everything after this post is fair game.

Also, Turkey pot pies are the shizz.

On July 08 2014 05:50 ritoky wrote:


can you quote what gave you your slight scum read on prp that you then flipped into a town read?

also what do you think of toades' point regarding you directing the post at him and not having an agenda behind it?

On July 08 2014 06:06 IAmRobik wrote:
We're lynching sloosh today. Can't explain it, but s/he's mafia

On July 08 2014 06:01 slOosh wrote:
Heyo.

I am not liking the Forumite. Ok are you ready for this?


He meta reads prplhz, then asks prplhz for his reads.

Stop. Think. Why do you ask people for reads?

You do it because either you want to get a better read on them, or you think they are town and you value their reads. At 99% town, he isn't doing it for the first reason, so it must be the second. But at this point the game just started, and most of the posts were "hahaha jokez" posts, so clearly nothing meaningful to be gleaned off here.

Conclusion: Forumite has a scummy mindset of "asking people for reads looks like activity" but when he does it it looks totally out of place.


Both Koshi and Toads have had a little back and forth on why they find Forumite suspicious. He says of Toads that his pushing on himself makes objective reading difficult, so he defers to other's opinions on Toad (slightly townie).

Stop. Think. Who else has pushed Forumite and is generally considered townie (or at least not scum)?

Koshi has also been pushing Forumite but he doesn't bring that hesitation with Toads to Koshi. He dismisses what Koshi says as WIFOM (it's not).

Conclusion: Another inconsistency in his play.

Let's crank up the heat.

##Vote: Forumite

On July 08 2014 06:20 Koshi wrote:

Is the case good?

On July 08 2014 06:17 Koshi wrote:

pls. You cannot be rayn.

On February 16 2014 17:20 gumshoe wrote:
Haro! So I've pretty much blitzed through the thread, but obviously the most recent event eclipses everything that came before it so I've reconfigured most of my reads in light of it. The only reason I can see Moc quitting like he has is if he feels like his scum team has completely failed him, which he straight up acknowledges in the case of Rayn. Gives me the sense that most of his scum team are incompetent and already under pressure. I also dont think hed reveal like this if there were one or two members of his team on at his time of confession, which would be a bit of a dick move, this tentatively clears Grack( who I had pinged as null) thrawn(his posting aggravates me a smidge just like in the last serius game we played, so probs town) and bum, all of whom had decent thread presence and posted within a couple hours of mocstas confession. Bum I especially consider townie because of how seemingly sincere hes been in his attempts to push discussion, case in point this post glows green to my eyes.

"It seems like you have a stronger read on Vivax then you do QuantomPope. Can you respond to what he has said. I would appreciate if you two(three?) would hash out what you think of each other. I'm in the same boat with your scum list, but because you don't go into much detail, I can't benefit from what you think!"

An attempt at getting a contribution out of a player whose likely to be lynched comes off as a weird scum play, unless that scum player is totally confident that the townie will provide misinformation. Something I dont think a scum bum would count on.

Vivax also posted within range of the confession, but even disregarding that I honestly cant believe Mocsta would quit like this if he had Vivax on his team. Same reasoning applies to rob.

Which leaves a pool of six within which lies the last two scum.

1:Shiapi: Has done extremely little for town, that much hasnt changed, Round hasnt really said much on him all game long, usually deflecting questions or arguments against him onto someone else, only once he became the clear lynch did Moc/rayn hop on the wagon faithfully. A shiapi scum partner would def fit the bad scum team narrative.

2:Mattchew: Posts a bunch of one liners, mostly comments on others reads, has a relative amount of heat on him, thread presence low to medium. I dont think hes scum with shiapi unless shiao called his mother a goat or something. Although that would explain Mocs exasperation with his team, meh.

3: Quantom Pope: Extremely low content, could definitely see Mocsta getting pissed about being with this guy.

4:Mordanis: His early posts look like they have some actual, albiet befuddled, thought to them but his targets are odd, and bieng reasonable more often than not does not translate to bieng townie. He goes after Rob and Vivax, two relatively green players at the time, strange choices even if you take into account the volatile nature of any games start. Another odd thing is Rounds hard defense of him.

"I think Mordanis has about the best posts in thread. Yes they are worded a bit awkwardly and idk what that means. He can answer for himself about that. The "brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone" is an obvious joke and everyone should be able to realise it.."

at the time Mordanis had done a decent amount of contribution, but it's odd just how far Round sticks his neck out for him, going so far as to call his posts the best thread... Not even sure if Rayn's the kinda player to do that if they were buddies. Could just as well be post flip posturing on a possible lynch target, a motive backed up by Rayns willingness to change his stance on Mord as scum got more desperate for a lynch. Definitely a frustrating scum partner to have, so Mord does fit the terrible scum team theory.

5: Sidesprang: Not much of a contributor, but reads townie to me . Him asking for my replacement seems like a pretty unscummy thing to do, scum would want my slot to stay inactive as long as possible, yet here he is pretty much begging for a real contributor. Also his asking for a townie certificate... Considering the dark green and bloody history of Coag's accursed emblem, seems pretty brazen. Oh and his first vote, although a light hearted one, was on Mocsta... yeah maybe hes scum? Extremely reckless if thats the case, doesn't ultimately read red to me.

6: Jar Jar: least scummy of the bunch, has his own thoughts, pushes his own reads, generally helps town, I can elaborate if anyone likes but if you read through his filter you can see that although sherlock he aint, hes certainly doing more for town than anyone else on this list,(admittedly not saying much.)

Thats all for now, if anyone has any questions, I'll answer them tomorrow, it's been a long day, gl and good night town.

Oh and regardless of all this, no reason to not vote round. Hurray for free lynch!

On July 08 2014 07:47 prplhz wrote:
lets just lynch sinani most useless player on tlmafia by far

On July 08 2014 04:06 yamato77 wrote:
Cora is off my lynch list for now.

On July 08 2014 04:06 iamperfection wrote:

why

On July 08 2014 04:08 Damdred wrote:


What has cora done to get put off your list?

On July 08 2014 06:44 Koshi wrote:
Why? Game is looking pretty easy.

On July 08 2014 06:46 iamperfection wrote:

How so.

On July 08 2014 06:47 Damdred wrote:


I'm curious how is the game looking so easy

On July 08 2014 07:53 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Seriously?

On July 08 2014 08:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Gonna play LoL, then filter some dudes, then come back and elaborate on why I wanna lynch mderg.

On July 08 2014 08:28 slOosh wrote:

I did read the whole thread, and then chose to start with a case on Forumite. How is that mafia? Am I avoiding talking about something relevant?

On July 08 2014 08:32 Alakaslam wrote:
Anyway, I will continue.

I will soon be using filters starting with Robik and assessing cases to see what looks sheepable.

On July 08 2014 09:40 kushm4sta wrote:
i will now attempt to read everything.

On July 08 2014 11:17 VisceraEyes wrote:

Qualify your statements with applicable reasoning or get the fuck on Robik.

On July 08 2014 11:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
1) I get mislynched a lot dude, sue me for being a little butthurt ONCE and then letting it pass IMMEDIATELY. LMAO
2) I didn't lie, I forgot that I was going to the store and so I went to the store and then came home and laughed at you and then played League. Skirting posting obligations?!? I WAS ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE IN HERE GIVING OPINIONS ON SHIT!
3) I liked what he said about the VE v Vivax shit - it looked like he was actually evaluating the game. I didn't filter him or anything, it was just something I noticed while reading. So yes, I miseed that he hadn't read his role PM. Doesn't make me scum Robik.

What I think is weird is that rather than just posting this shit, you wanted to get someone's permission first. What's that about?

On July 08 2014 16:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Meh - one is begging for attention though and one is not. Robik just being openly abrasive and calling everyone out isn't really sound mafia strategy to say the least. I get what you're saying though, they both don't give you much to go by.

On July 08 2014 23:15 Koshi wrote:
Good idea.

Robik can you give me the names of people you think are scum currently?

On July 08 2014 23:29 VisceraEyes wrote:

I'M DEFENDING YOU YOU PIECE OF SHIT, SEE IF I EVER MAKE THAT MISTAKE AGAIN!

On July 08 2014 23:34 Koshi wrote:

Yeah this sums up your play nicely.

On July 08 2014 23:38 Koshi wrote:

I don't think so. Maybe. But I remember those things.

On July 08 2014 23:45 Vivax wrote:
I'm starting to like the idea of simply lynching into inactives.

On July 08 2014 20:06 batsnacks wrote:
I just went through the list of players and voted the only person who's name I haven't seen yet. I wonder if he'll notice.

On July 08 2014 20:54 yamato77 wrote:
Forumite made a bad read, I'm over it. He seems convinced of its sincerity, I'm not lynching him today.

On July 08 2014 21:49 yamato77 wrote:

I already explained my read through of you/VE, but the cliff notes is that neither of you really looks bad after it. I thought there was more but there wasn't.

As for Obi, let's take a casual look through his filter.



This post, and the preceding one where he actually votes kush, are extremely awkward attempts at humor. Aside from this, and some questions that he never follows up on, Obi really hasn't made use of his time in the thread in a way that I find productive. Notably, he apparently has no reads to speak of, yet finds the thread so boring he leaves it.

This is in contrast to how I remember his play in Order. There he seemed direct, somewhat transparent, and actually played in a townie way. I'm not getting any of that here.

On July 08 2014 23:55 Toadesstern wrote:
Yes listposts are awful, go yell at me but IF and only IF we're lynching a lurker we need to get straight who's up for discussion. I don't some random guy yelling one name, everyone's like "yeah lynch that guy" and it's obviously been mafia who cherrypicked a townie out of a list. So here's what consults as lurker to me:

(slOosh)
ExO_
HaruRH
batsnacks
mderg
ObiWanShinobi
layabout
Tehpoofter
HiroPro

Anyone I forgot? Anyone that shouldn't be on that list? From a quick check ExO, batsnacks and ObiWan look somewhat delicious

On July 08 2014 22:40 prplhz wrote:
obiwan damdred sloosh

On July 09 2014 00:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why is ExO so low on your kill list Robik? I find I really dislike the stuff he's put in the thread so far.

On July 09 2014 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:

they're both completly afk. The rest is just posting very, very little. I feel like chances to hit mafia are higher if we go for someone who looks like he's under the radar but not completly away.

On July 09 2014 00:04 Vivax wrote:


How do you differentiate between Poofter and Hiro + layabout though.

On July 09 2014 02:14 kushm4sta wrote:

What do you mean?

On July 09 2014 02:32 Corazon wrote:


What the fuck did TL Meta change? Can I just spew out whatever I want and get a free pass because I posted a lot? WTF Prp? This is a really stupid reason to defend Robik.

On July 09 2014 03:28 Forumite wrote:

Toades pointed out that a lurker lynch doesn´t give info because scum can just go with the flow and lynch some poor lurker without guilt. It´s better to leave them for vigilantes.

On July 09 2014 03:56 Toadesstern wrote:
guys you should be voting IamP while I hold the grip around forumite's neck up

On July 09 2014 04:02 Toadesstern wrote:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461003-tl-mafia-lxvii-storm-mafia-2?page=55#1082

That's pretty fucking convincing if you actually go take a look through his other games. Arguable he only had catastrophe as mafia recently so the sample size is quite scarce if you don't want to go back to 2012 when he just posted different all in all.

But the difference in willingness to put something forth is there. He isn't the 2nd most active person in the game and he's only been posting 1liners or 2liners. No "here's what I think and why people need to die" no nothing.

On July 09 2014 04:14 Forumite wrote:

*choke* x_x


You are imagining things. Also I try my best to lynch scum. Why are you trying to show townieness by saying "I´m town" instead of doing pro-town things, like NOT flaming anyone who looks at you sideways?

On July 09 2014 04:19 ritoky wrote:


robik is just a blustery guy. he spent like 10 pages telling me i was the worst player ever last game. it's just part of his general persona and tone; try not to take it personal, it's not about you mate.

On July 09 2014 04:46 Forumite wrote:

I have a townread on Corazon. I haven´t checked him that closely but that´s what I get from reading the thread. As for acting pro-town, the first thing would be to not blow up when accused of any little thing, it´s not helping your case.


This I don´t get, it´s anti-town behaviour and makes it extremely easy to hide as scum. Shouldn´t he be an automatic D1 lynch if this is his normal play?

On July 09 2014 04:49 mderg wrote:

Basically people are not allowed to scumread you because you´d get yourself modkilled? That´s not how this game is supposed to be played. You are not the center point of the world.
Just throwing this out there because I hate your attitude.

On July 09 2014 05:07 Forumite wrote:

Yes, sorry, I have another plan. I´m going to check Corazon because you obviously think there´s something wrong about his play. Meanwhile, who is your biggest scumread and why haven´t you voted for him yet?

On July 08 2014 23:33 IAmRobik wrote:

I'm reading pg 43 right now. Trying to catch up.
I think I have more town than scum. Not sure who I think is scum. I don't remember anymore.
I think I don't like VE. I'm pretty sure I don't like VE. VE is gonna come here and yell and me blah blah blah, but I really don't like VE
I did however agree with VE's read on mderg. I think he was the one who said that he was afraid to interact. He was more than happy to engage with people in previous games and seems less than active in this game. Obviously the two of them wouldn't be scum buddies though.
I don't like Cora because he is scum reading me for having a useless filter. I am pretty sure I justify most if not all of my reads and if he really cared what they were, why wouldn't he ask me for them (if he couldn't find them in my posts).
Bunnies is another one that bothers me. Her post where she says that she's be worried about me if I call her top town was really lazy and disproved the night before in video mafia, so her reverting back to that type of read was really really "easy" and doesn't seem genuine to me.
Poofter is yet another suspect of mine. He expressed an eagerness to play this game and yet his focus is far from it. This is a weak read obviously, but I would keep my eye on him.
Oh right, I forgot about sloosh. That case was weird as a first post. Too down to business and not aloof enough. I guess the same could be said for damdred. Meh.

Turns out I actually have quite a few scum reads.

I like iamp and vivax obviously.
I think I like prplhz
I think I like toad

Those are my reads thus far.

On July 09 2014 06:11 Forumite wrote:
Reread the thread focusing on IAmRobik and Corazon. Robik is town, I don´t like his aggressive quirks but apart from an unexplained sheeping of Iamp it looks good. Corazon is probably like me, dislikes Robiks playstyle and tunnels. The scummiest thing he´s done is defending me, not sure what to think of that.

##Unvote


What did you mean with this post?

On July 09 2014 06:29 Toadesstern wrote:
no "if X is mafia that makes Y whatever" before people flip, especially on d1. Yes you should be on either iamp or on forumite. I'm actually in favor of iamp as well but have to watch this rape of a football game

On July 09 2014 07:05 27ninjabunnies wrote:


you do realize my whole "be wary if rob calls me town'' was totally a joke right?

Like, I know it was disproved. Im not dumb.

On July 09 2014 07:05 27ninjabunnies wrote:you do realize my whole "be wary if rob calls me town'' was totally a joke right?

On July 08 2014 02:50 IAmRobik wrote:You're actually probably scum for saying this. You tried to use that argument against me LAST NIGHT and I was town and you were town. The fact that you are just recycling statements like that makes you super scummy.

On July 08 2014 02:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Yeah, but nobody was in that game besides banks, who died n1.
And it's video mafia. Doesn't count here.
And I was town that game.
So tbh, Idc what you think.

On July 09 2014 08:24 iamperfection wrote:

how does that make someone scum.

On July 09 2014 21:09 Koshi wrote:
Sure, I can not lynch both because I got 6 names. Sinani is also not a good lynch. So 3 names.

I am not sure that Robik buddied iamp after iamp suspected him. I really doubt that happened. Did iamp ever suspect Robik? Don't think so.

On July 09 2014 22:04 mderg wrote:
Back to reading again.


I´m curious why you´re reading iamperfection and vivax as town. Maybe I just missed them but I couldn´t find any good reasons for your reads on them. From where I´m at I can´t see anything particularly townie from them. I would be glad, if you enlightened me, so I can also have strong townreads on them.

On July 09 2014 22:13 Koshi wrote:
Robik,

You have not yet voted this game. I am very surprised by that. You voted Kushm4fia but that didn't count and you seem to not care. You actually have a lot of scumreads so it is strange. Very different than your last towngame? We should check meta maybe later. I am not too worried about you atm.


But a Cora lynch is not happening today. I don't feel it in the air. And we are almost out of oxygen.


So please put down a vote between iamp/forumite/Damndred.

Please.

We need to see votes on the board.

On July 09 2014 22:52 Koshi wrote:

Good for you. But we need votes to get things done atm. I also want everybody to vote even though it is not needed in theory.

On July 09 2014 22:52 Koshi wrote:

Good for you. But we need votes to get things done atm. I also want everybody to vote even though it is not needed in theory.

On July 09 2014 23:06 Koshi wrote:

What? I never said anything about 27nb.
You said you only vote when it pleases you. I said we need votes to get things done.

Really. w.e Robik.

On July 09 2014 23:38 Koshi wrote:

Just quit the game.

On July 09 2014 23:40 yamato77 wrote:

listening to geript's opinion on anything is your first mistake

thinking you can read people like Cora better than me is your second

go elsewhere

On July 09 2014 23:41 Alakaslam wrote:
Who defends Cora?

And dude, he left before you started he is as he does. I once called him dmvCorazon because he was cDgCorazon and has an extremely stubborn attitude the equal of which I have seen only at the dmv

Believe me the forum vets read him better than you do

But he is still null I do not defense him.

On July 09 2014 23:48 yamato77 wrote:


No, I'm right on him being likely town because I've played with him in probably 10 games by now, as both town and mafia.

For reference, here is my "case" on him from survivor series where I got him mislynched D1:


Note the bolded. Doesn't he seem to do that a lot this game? His dismissive attitude and general unwillingness to comply with demands is EXACTLY how I would expect a town Cora to act toward people who are accusing him.

As scum, he would just incessantly argue. In Quiet game, that's all he did. He argued and argued and argued against EVERYTHING that was posted in his direction, and made many slip-ups in the process.

Cora is an easily mislynchable player. Believe me, I've done it, and many games have been thrown away because people got carried away trying to get him lynched (Personality 2, for example). I shoot the lynch down because I think he's town, and it's extremely important not to make these same sort of mistakes mislynching the same sort of players repeatedly for ostensibly similar reasons every time.

Now please, stop posting. You make yourself look bad.

On July 09 2014 23:54 yamato77 wrote:
we have half a majority

if you aren't voting iamp, explain why

On July 09 2014 23:57 Koshi wrote:

Doesn't matter anymore.

A town lynch is better than a no lynch. Simply because the towns on the no lynch can move on and we can trust iamperfection his reads.

It is what it is. iamperfection is the lynch.



None of the other candidates for lynch have good cases on them. There are currently 5 people on iamp that really believe he is scum. Nobody else comes close.


Please put your vote back on iamp.

On July 09 2014 23:59 yamato77 wrote:

robik is not in a position to be trusted, regardless of his alignment

On July 10 2014 00:03 iamperfection wrote:
yamato is scum robik do nt bother arguing with him .

On July 10 2014 00:03 Koshi wrote:

I am going to reply to you 1 more time for the entire game.
I do not like your personality. It is quickly moving to a point in which I don't want to play games with you anymore.
You are the first person that comes even close to this in my life.

You can keep flaming me. I will ignore you. This game is over between us till I see your alignment and we can PM.

On July 10 2014 00:08 Alakaslam wrote:

You are actually not so different from corazon's usual behavior this game and that is ironic

On July 10 2014 00:10 Toadesstern wrote:
forumite testing my faith... I want to lynch IamP but damn that random unvote and revote with "I really don't like it" after saying the lynch is between him and iamp looks so damn delicious

On July 10 2014 00:13 Toadesstern wrote:

let's just hope they're both mafia and it makes sense that way o/
No need to overthink things when I can't figure out which way it is anyways...

On July 10 2014 00:17 Toadesstern wrote:

he's emotional, he doesn't make sense while doing it and it all comes down to his innitial read that he doesn't want to give up on.

On July 10 2014 00:20 Vivax wrote:


I don't understand this, iamp is scummy to you but you prefer not to lynch him for his activity (8 pages of filter).
Robik is a headless chicken (10 pages) and you think that he's more worth lynching cause some people defended him.

If both are scummy to you, why does the activity argument apply to the guy with the smaller filter???

On July 10 2014 00:26 Toadesstern wrote:

I'm heading out for some shopping right now so it's going to be short

• the case DOES fit
  
• he's a lot more involved in his towngames, as already pointed out when I quoted and responded to the case, as opposed to this game
  
• he's involved in a way where he does something himself without being poked to death about it until it happens
  
• the one post he did was horrible and made on the fly without thinking about it

See you in about an hour

On July 10 2014 00:29 HaruRH wrote:



You know, this post of yours is the only one which mentions forumite and it is 27 posts away from my question about why you both never mentioned each other, despite being online and offline at the same time

On July 10 2014 00:52 HaruRH wrote:


You're my top townread this game, so how much are you willing to bet that cora is scum

On July 10 2014 00:53 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Robik stop rolefishing you donkey.

Catching up on the 10+ pages that I missed while asleep.

Anything interesting?

On July 10 2014 00:57 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Meh, forcing someone to claim is not nice.

That has bad reprocussions.

Also, why are we voting Iamp?

I wonder if he ever answered my question.