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On July 22 2014 06:19 HiroPro wrote:Thanks for hosting Palmar/marv. I thought the setup was pretty interesting. I probably shouldn't have signed up with the amount of time I had to play so I apologize for that.
Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 06:09 marvellosity wrote:On July 22 2014 05:59 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 22 2014 04:37 marvellosity wrote:On July 22 2014 04:17 kitaman27 wrote:
It seems more often than not that the assassin roles are claiming victory by accident, whether it be a lynch, mafia night hit, or in this case, modkill. While an assassin needs to avoid these things in order to win, I'm not sure the other assassin should be rewarded for their target getting lynched or hit n1. I wonder if there are any variations to the role that would allow it to remain neutral, but require more skill to pull off their win condition.
I'm actually very happy with how assassin is here. You're right - there are various ways to skin the cat, but you have a 50/50 shot, and if the other assassin can't stop himself being lynched or modkilled, then you de facto outplayed him. I really dislike making assassin's jobs too difficult where you no longer have a 50/50 shot at winning, but a 25/25/50 shot or something due to mechanics. I played in a game where assassins got a single check - it's really bloody difficult to find 3p with accuracy, and if I missed my check, then what? I sit around in the game with absolutely nothing to do just hoping to win by chance? If you don't get lynched, modkilled etc and the other person does, then I think you deserve your victory. It's on the other dude to make it more of a challenge. I mean isn't it just easier to not miss your check? well obviously I won n1 by shooting him, but that's besides the point  That game only had 14 players though and you had the ability to talk to a different person anonymously every cycle. There was also a lot of kp in that game (mafia shot, two assassin shots, a dreamflower, and an america). So if I had given you a check every night, you would have very little need at all to think about who the other 3p was. They would either have been checked or dead.
Of course there is need, because I need to get there first. It just makes more sense to have a check every night, because if the assassin works me out before I work him out, then he wins. That's the point! Leaving us with only one check effectively removes the race that should be the entire idea.
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It was a great game Palmar/marv thanks XD
Also Hiro <.< that tunnel got pretty deep
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On July 22 2014 06:22 Vivax wrote:
On another note the vote formatting mistake probably won us the game cause BM might have been lynched if ExO got lynched before BM could admit that he lied.
BM would have been modkilled for posting after hammer if we allowed the ExO lynch. That was the choice we had.
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On July 22 2014 06:23 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 06:22 Vivax wrote:
On another note the vote formatting mistake probably won us the game cause BM might have been lynched if ExO got lynched before BM could admit that he lied.
BM would have been modkilled for posting after hammer if we allowed the ExO lynch. That was the choice we had.
Honestly speaking I thought about lynching BM after that again because it sounded like he was really pissed about the lynch not going through. Think he posted something like "really palmar?" or whatever else, but in the end decided against it because noone was willing to lynch BM anyways. So I just tried looking elsewhere
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On July 22 2014 06:25 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 06:23 marvellosity wrote:On July 22 2014 06:22 Vivax wrote:
On another note the vote formatting mistake probably won us the game cause BM might have been lynched if ExO got lynched before BM could admit that he lied.
BM would have been modkilled for posting after hammer if we allowed the ExO lynch. That was the choice we had. Honestly speaking I thought about lynching BM after that again because it sounded like he was really pissed about the lynch not going through. Think he posted something like "really palmar?" or whatever else, but in the end decided against it because noone was willing to lynch BM anyways. So I just tried looking elsewhere
yes I laughed at that post. that's exactly what happened lol.
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Then we would have lynched Vivax, and had a decent shot at figuring out batsnacks by LYLO.
Mods confirmed scum.
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Well you should have lynched BM on the spot for trying to get a townie lynched for no reason with a fake check, followed by expressing disappointment that the townie didn't get lynched.
No-one seemed to bat an eyelid.
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On July 22 2014 06:27 marvellosity wrote:
Well you should have lynched BM on the spot for trying to get a townie lynched for no reason with a fake check, followed by expressing disappointment that the townie didn't get lynched.
No-one seemed to bat an eyelid.
I was raging pretty hard at him the entire game and got a crapton of flak for it "omfg Toad, BM so obviously town. He delivered us a check. TRUST THE CHECK"
and laya just kept on saying that it's BM, don't mind him
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On July 22 2014 06:23 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 06:22 Vivax wrote:
On another note the vote formatting mistake probably won us the game cause BM might have been lynched if ExO got lynched before BM could admit that he lied.
BM would have been modkilled for posting after hammer if we allowed the ExO lynch. That was the choice we had.
I don't mean based on Palmar's decision, cause his decision was that the votes didn't count.
I mean, if the votes were formatted correctly and counted before BM could post, and Exo got lynched and flipped VT, then town would have lynched BM's ass the next day I think.
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On July 22 2014 06:22 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 06:19 HiroPro wrote:Thanks for hosting Palmar/marv. I thought the setup was pretty interesting. I probably shouldn't have signed up with the amount of time I had to play so I apologize for that.
On July 22 2014 06:09 marvellosity wrote:On July 22 2014 05:59 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 22 2014 04:37 marvellosity wrote:On July 22 2014 04:17 kitaman27 wrote:
It seems more often than not that the assassin roles are claiming victory by accident, whether it be a lynch, mafia night hit, or in this case, modkill. While an assassin needs to avoid these things in order to win, I'm not sure the other assassin should be rewarded for their target getting lynched or hit n1. I wonder if there are any variations to the role that would allow it to remain neutral, but require more skill to pull off their win condition.
I'm actually very happy with how assassin is here. You're right - there are various ways to skin the cat, but you have a 50/50 shot, and if the other assassin can't stop himself being lynched or modkilled, then you de facto outplayed him. I really dislike making assassin's jobs too difficult where you no longer have a 50/50 shot at winning, but a 25/25/50 shot or something due to mechanics. I played in a game where assassins got a single check - it's really bloody difficult to find 3p with accuracy, and if I missed my check, then what? I sit around in the game with absolutely nothing to do just hoping to win by chance? If you don't get lynched, modkilled etc and the other person does, then I think you deserve your victory. It's on the other dude to make it more of a challenge. I mean isn't it just easier to not miss your check? well obviously I won n1 by shooting him, but that's besides the point That game only had 14 players though and you had the ability to talk to a different person anonymously every cycle. There was also a lot of kp in that game (mafia shot, two assassin shots, a dreamflower, and an america). So if I had given you a check every night, you would have very little need at all to think about who the other 3p was. They would either have been checked or dead. Of course there is need, because I need to get there first. It just makes more sense to have a check every night, because if the assassin works me out before I work him out, then he wins. That's the point! Leaving us with only one check effectively removes the race that should be the entire idea.
I dunno. Personally I thought the anonymous mason still gave you something to work with even if you missed your check. Like I didn't expect it to work as well as what yamato gave you but it still seems to me that it should allow you to figure out the other assassin. Did you feel that it wasn't useful? Because I don't remember you masoning anyone.
On July 22 2014 06:27 marvellosity wrote:
Well you should have lynched BM on the spot for trying to get a townie lynched for no reason with a fake check, followed by expressing disappointment that the townie didn't get lynched.
No-one seemed to bat an eyelid.
Well the thing is I had no thread presence at all and I couldn't get him lynched before that for blatantly lying for no reason. So it was simply easier to hope that he was just insane.
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On July 22 2014 06:36 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 06:23 marvellosity wrote:On July 22 2014 06:22 Vivax wrote:
On another note the vote formatting mistake probably won us the game cause BM might have been lynched if ExO got lynched before BM could admit that he lied.
BM would have been modkilled for posting after hammer if we allowed the ExO lynch. That was the choice we had. I don't mean based on Palmar's decision, cause his decision was that the votes didn't count. I mean, if the votes were formatted correctly and counted before BM could post, and Exo got lynched and flipped VT, then town would have lynched BM's ass the next day I think.
Everybody knew Exo_ was town because you tried to hammer him.
So... I don't see the difference.
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On July 22 2014 06:40 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 06:36 Vivax wrote:On July 22 2014 06:23 marvellosity wrote:On July 22 2014 06:22 Vivax wrote:
On another note the vote formatting mistake probably won us the game cause BM might have been lynched if ExO got lynched before BM could admit that he lied.
BM would have been modkilled for posting after hammer if we allowed the ExO lynch. That was the choice we had. I don't mean based on Palmar's decision, cause his decision was that the votes didn't count. I mean, if the votes were formatted correctly and counted before BM could post, and Exo got lynched and flipped VT, then town would have lynched BM's ass the next day I think. Everybody knew Exo_ was town because you tried to hammer him. So... I don't see the difference.
The difference is that in case of lynch it would have been BM's fault and in case of what actually happened then BM even helped you townread him and got away with even more, and had no fault for anything except lying.
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Btw Koshi no Vivax whisperer this game?
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Too tunneled on other stuff. Very bad. I agree.
I really thought there was an SK. And I thought giving you +1 chance on Damdred was a good call.
I would lynch you the day after I died. Red check or not.
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PS: Stop being scum. you evil guy.
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PS2: I will tunnel you next games.
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Koshi you said to me in thread vivax was the best player on site..... why would he play like he did and. delurk even you were highly suspicious
why give him the chance there?
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Dude I was totes voting for him. I was voting him but then somewhere I did the math and we could only lynch you. And I had you as scum D1 so I rolled with it. Your D2.5-D4 were pretty ok. But yeah... I should have rallied the troops from the start of the day on Vivax. I started too late. Bad game for me on a couple critical occasions.
Also Vivax is far from the best player on this site. I think when I said that I was baiting ritoky in saying something. But nobody said something.
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Ok i can accept that
Any information from lynch is better then none if everyone was active anyway
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I'd like to say winning while I was trying to read up on the thread was awesome. I will say I was excited to play a 3p role but nervous. I wish it wouldn't have ended so fast. Palmer these roles sounded fun glad you did the game! Also bunnies get #wrekt
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