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sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
July 11 2014 03:44 GMT
#2081
what if the mason targeted robik and prpl/koshi and then the action got shifted
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 11 2014 03:48 GMT
#2082
On July 11 2014 04:42 prplhz wrote:
if you read obiwan's filter and didn't think he looked scummy then i just think a townie would be more likely to say "i don't think he looks scummy is why i'm not voting him, why would i think he looks scummy?" and not "show me a case and maybe i'll bother"

On July 11 2014 05:28 prplhz wrote:
whoever the fuck masoned me with koshi can suck a dick

both post post n1, the first one happened before the second one.
Looks like they got masoned during the day and not during the night to me

so it is indeed possible that it was Koshi trying to figure out prplhz
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 11 2014 04:28 GMT
#2083
Would someone like to explain this push on mderg beyond just the fact that he's been defensive today and didn't vote yesterday? Looking at his posts from day 1, he has clear opinions on people and he seems to be making an effort to understand the game. Most of them are townreads but he has his own reasons. Compare this guy's filter to Damdred's filter and I think the difference should be apparent.

After reading some of the discussion about forumite I don´t think he is scum. His reason for townreading prplhz is too incomprehensible to come from mafia. As mafia I would always try to find a reason others might agree with over something like this strange meta reason.

I think Toades´ line of thought was perfectly reasonable here. That he brings up these conflicting points and wants more thoughts on it seems pretty townie to me.

His post sounded a bit like my townplay when I was new to mafia. I can see why people see that as scummy but I don´t think it is. Confidence in your reads isn´t alignmment indicative to me.
(above in reference to Corazon)
I have a hard time seeing anything that might help town in this post. You might as well have not posted anything at all. The list says almost nothing. There´s no reasons at all, so one can´t see your thought process behind the list. To me this looks like you want to appear like you have thoughts on many players without actually having to explain anything.
Saying that people just have to ask to get your proper reads also kinda supports my point. You can make up reasons for liking/ not liking someone relatively quickly, if you already know how you want to read them.
This makes you appear to be trying to figure out the game without having to do anything.
(above in reference to ninjabunnies)
Damdred´s post seemed pretty average to me. Yes, not really scummy but nothing especially townie. Considering that you had him as scummy before this feels strange. Your reason for dropping the suspicion is basically that his reaction was calm and thoughtful.

I don´t like that forumite keeps his vote on koshi here. At that point koshi was already very townie, there´s no reason to believe that koshi is town. Maybe scum forumite would be scared of backing down because it might seem inconsistent? Not sure but that doesn´t really look like scumhunting.


Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 11 2014 04:28 GMT
#2084
hmm
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 11 2014 04:31 GMT
#2085
I was waiting on someone to talk who I tracked to Koshi last night

Should I say who?
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 11 2014 04:37 GMT
#2086
What does that have to do with you claiming to be roleblocked?
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 11 2014 04:43 GMT
#2087
I think he's claiming that he fakeclaimed being RB'ed, instead tracked someone, that someone visited Koshi last night and had some convoluted masterplan to net someone by fakeclaiming RB.
And the bad part is that, like I mentioned, I have to take that at face value...
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 11 2014 04:45 GMT
#2088
Willis educate us

what happen
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 11 2014 04:54 GMT
#2089
On July 11 2014 13:43 Toadesstern wrote:
I think he's claiming that he fakeclaimed being RB'ed, instead tracked someone, that someone visited Koshi last night and had some convoluted masterplan to net someone by fakeclaiming RB.
And the bad part is that, like I mentioned, I have to take that at face value...

okay continuing that thought:

BM tracked someone he considered to be scummy because why else would you track someone, right?
So he allegedly has someone who visited Koshi on n1. The question about wether he should out him is because he consideres Koshi a person that is likely to also draw medics and the like, so it's possible that his scumtarget wasn't scum but a medic. At the same time mafia targeting Koshi with WHATEVER is equally likely though

Considering that I don't believe this story at all, no we're probably better off without the added confusion, especially if the guy you checked was scummy enough to warrant a track but not shady as fuck enough for you to instantly out him... I mean you check someone because you think he's mafia and you don't even have the balls to out him because he could be a townie afterwards? Wtf? There's just no way a townie with a track on someone would think that, he'd be jumping in joy about how you netted someone

Sadly enough this is BM and I can't say so with certainty...
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 11 2014 04:55 GMT
#2090
On July 11 2014 13:43 Toadesstern wrote:
I think he's claiming that he fakeclaimed being RB'ed, instead tracked someone, that someone visited Koshi last night and had some convoluted masterplan to net someone by fakeclaiming RB.
And the bad part is that, like I mentioned, I have to take that at face value...


bitch please. this is a palmar game. that better not be the explanation he gives.

On November 16 2011 01:32 Palmar wrote:
Oh, I also wanted to say, the LAL argument is one of my favorites. Because arguing it defeats the purpose of LAL.

Here's a pro-tip. We lynch all liars, always, and every fucking time. No exceptions.

If someone disagrees he's probably not thinking hard enough, and should re-think before he opens his mouth to spout more bullshit. Or he's scum.

Think before you talk.

VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
July 11 2014 05:15 GMT
#2091
In general, with Koshi in here and posting, if it were a DT or medic or some town-aligned power role that visited Koshi, I would have expected whomever it is to have posted SOMETHING by now. The reason is that whenever I'm a power role I'm like, eager to see what happens with the day post - what my check came back, or if my medic target got saved, etc. I'm AROUND at some point to see what happened. And if I'm around and I'm town, then typically I post something.

My conclusion is that if we're to believe BM and he's some sort of Tracker role that tracked someone to Koshi, and that person hasn't spoken yet, that person is likely mafia. That's my assessment. If it's a thing where the person HAS posted, but not much, this changes my assessment. My assumption is that BM has been waiting for this person to post and they have not.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 11 2014 05:16 GMT
#2092
come on, spit it out. As much as I like playing detective, giving some straight forward answer would actually be something
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 11 2014 05:23 GMT
#2093
##Vote Bill Murray
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
July 11 2014 05:31 GMT
#2094
Mafia probably had multiple KP last night, and the janitor role PM heavily implies delivered (not factional) kills. It is entirely possible that a tracker is in this game due to the inclusion of this mechanic.

With only 1 mafia KP accounted for in Robik, I am wondering where else they targeted. I can't imagine them not using the janitor shot on N1, so we know for almost certain that SOMEONE was saved. Bill tracking Koshi to someone else wouldn't have to be an indication of Koshi being mafia but it could be confirmed by the claim of a protective role on the person Koshi was tracked to.

That said, I wouldn't mind at all if Koshi claimed before BM explains.
Writer@WriterYamato
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 11 2014 05:33 GMT
#2095
He didn't claim tracking Koshi - he claimed tracking someone who visited Koshi.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
July 11 2014 05:39 GMT
#2096
On July 11 2014 14:33 HiroPro wrote:
He didn't claim tracking Koshi - he claimed tracking someone who visited Koshi.

This is what I gathered too - that BM is waiting on someone who he tracked TO Koshi to post.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 11 2014 05:42 GMT
#2097
exactly and that makes Koshi pretty much confirmed town (assuming BM is telling the truth... as if lol) because were that to be the case one guy shot Koshi and one guy protected Koshi and BM got one of those.
That explains possibly missing KP.
It does not explain how BM was so sure about the guy being mafia n1 that he wanted him tracked above everyone else in the game and now chickening out because he actually got a track result...

Best case scenario would be if Koshi is a VET (still assuming BM is somehow telling us the truth) but that's a little far fetched to hope for.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
July 11 2014 05:47 GMT
#2098
I was a bulletproof SK third party in the last Storm.

Just throwin that out there.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 11 2014 05:48 GMT
#2099
Let's imagine that you're a mafia player who got caught with his pants down like this.

Do you:

a) fake-claim
b) ignore any questions as to why you lied
c) try to out some power roles
d) all of the above
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 11 2014 06:07 GMT
#2100
On July 11 2014 14:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I was a bulletproof SK third party in the last Storm.

Just throwin that out there.

are you telling me Koshi needs lynching? I'd do that for shitz and giggles + Show Spoiler +
probably+ Show Spoiler +
maybe+ Show Spoiler +
...probably not. Where did my sense for adventure go

On July 11 2014 14:48 HiroPro wrote:
Let's imagine that you're a mafia player who got caught with his pants down like this.

Do you:

a) fake-claim
b) ignore any questions as to why you lied
c) try to out some power roles
d) all of the above

and now you know why I've been so mad at layabout...

The whole thing just doesn't make sense because why'd he say he got RB'ed ON PURPOSE as a townie? On purpose means he knew about there not being RB-notifications. If he knows there are no RBs notifications to begin with I just don't see him doing some crazy plan either because he'd just assume that other people know about it as well OR that at least SOMEONE would point it out because "omg I just found mafia" (point proven by layabout and me) before anything happens.

So there's about NO way that he knew about this thing with no notifications. Absolutely no way.
If he doesn't know about there not being notifications there's no town agenda behind some convoluted plan because the knowledge would be needed for that. Thus I'm pretty fucking sure the guy is mafia who slipped but wanted it confirmed with my question because there is always that chance that the guy is just crazy and palmar literally flips a coins the moment he's dead to decide what BM will flip...
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
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