EPTTL Mafia LXVII: Storm Mafia 2 - Page 105
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On July 11 2014 04:42 prplhz wrote: if you read obiwan's filter and didn't think he looked scummy then i just think a townie would be more likely to say "i don't think he looks scummy is why i'm not voting him, why would i think he looks scummy?" and not "show me a case and maybe i'll bother" On July 11 2014 05:28 prplhz wrote: whoever the fuck masoned me with koshi can suck a dick both post post n1, the first one happened before the second one. Looks like they got masoned during the day and not during the night to me so it is indeed possible that it was Koshi trying to figure out prplhz | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
After reading some of the discussion about forumite I don´t think he is scum. His reason for townreading prplhz is too incomprehensible to come from mafia. As mafia I would always try to find a reason others might agree with over something like this strange meta reason. I think Toades´ line of thought was perfectly reasonable here. That he brings up these conflicting points and wants more thoughts on it seems pretty townie to me. His post sounded a bit like my townplay when I was new to mafia. I can see why people see that as scummy but I don´t think it is. Confidence in your reads isn´t alignmment indicative to me. (above in reference to Corazon)I have a hard time seeing anything that might help town in this post. You might as well have not posted anything at all. The list says almost nothing. There´s no reasons at all, so one can´t see your thought process behind the list. To me this looks like you want to appear like you have thoughts on many players without actually having to explain anything. (above in reference to ninjabunnies)Saying that people just have to ask to get your proper reads also kinda supports my point. You can make up reasons for liking/ not liking someone relatively quickly, if you already know how you want to read them. This makes you appear to be trying to figure out the game without having to do anything. Damdred´s post seemed pretty average to me. Yes, not really scummy but nothing especially townie. Considering that you had him as scummy before this feels strange. Your reason for dropping the suspicion is basically that his reaction was calm and thoughtful. I don´t like that forumite keeps his vote on koshi here. At that point koshi was already very townie, there´s no reason to believe that koshi is town. Maybe scum forumite would be scared of backing down because it might seem inconsistent? Not sure but that doesn´t really look like scumhunting. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
Should I say who? | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
And the bad part is that, like I mentioned, I have to take that at face value... | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
what happen | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On July 11 2014 13:43 Toadesstern wrote: I think he's claiming that he fakeclaimed being RB'ed, instead tracked someone, that someone visited Koshi last night and had some convoluted masterplan to net someone by fakeclaiming RB. And the bad part is that, like I mentioned, I have to take that at face value... okay continuing that thought: BM tracked someone he considered to be scummy because why else would you track someone, right? So he allegedly has someone who visited Koshi on n1. The question about wether he should out him is because he consideres Koshi a person that is likely to also draw medics and the like, so it's possible that his scumtarget wasn't scum but a medic. At the same time mafia targeting Koshi with WHATEVER is equally likely though Considering that I don't believe this story at all, no we're probably better off without the added confusion, especially if the guy you checked was scummy enough to warrant a track but not shady as fuck enough for you to instantly out him... I mean you check someone because you think he's mafia and you don't even have the balls to out him because he could be a townie afterwards? Wtf? There's just no way a townie with a track on someone would think that, he'd be jumping in joy about how you netted someone Sadly enough this is BM and I can't say so with certainty... | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On July 11 2014 13:43 Toadesstern wrote: I think he's claiming that he fakeclaimed being RB'ed, instead tracked someone, that someone visited Koshi last night and had some convoluted masterplan to net someone by fakeclaiming RB. And the bad part is that, like I mentioned, I have to take that at face value... bitch please. this is a palmar game. that better not be the explanation he gives. On November 16 2011 01:32 Palmar wrote: Oh, I also wanted to say, the LAL argument is one of my favorites. Because arguing it defeats the purpose of LAL. Here's a pro-tip. We lynch all liars, always, and every fucking time. No exceptions. If someone disagrees he's probably not thinking hard enough, and should re-think before he opens his mouth to spout more bullshit. Or he's scum. Think before you talk. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
My conclusion is that if we're to believe BM and he's some sort of Tracker role that tracked someone to Koshi, and that person hasn't spoken yet, that person is likely mafia. That's my assessment. If it's a thing where the person HAS posted, but not much, this changes my assessment. My assumption is that BM has been waiting for this person to post and they have not. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
With only 1 mafia KP accounted for in Robik, I am wondering where else they targeted. I can't imagine them not using the janitor shot on N1, so we know for almost certain that SOMEONE was saved. Bill tracking Koshi to someone else wouldn't have to be an indication of Koshi being mafia but it could be confirmed by the claim of a protective role on the person Koshi was tracked to. That said, I wouldn't mind at all if Koshi claimed before BM explains. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On July 11 2014 14:33 HiroPro wrote: He didn't claim tracking Koshi - he claimed tracking someone who visited Koshi. This is what I gathered too - that BM is waiting on someone who he tracked TO Koshi to post. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
That explains possibly missing KP. It does not explain how BM was so sure about the guy being mafia n1 that he wanted him tracked above everyone else in the game and now chickening out because he actually got a track result... Best case scenario would be if Koshi is a VET (still assuming BM is somehow telling us the truth) but that's a little far fetched to hope for. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Just throwin that out there. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
Do you: a) fake-claim b) ignore any questions as to why you lied c) try to out some power roles d) all of the above | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On July 11 2014 14:47 VisceraEyes wrote: I was a bulletproof SK third party in the last Storm. Just throwin that out there. are you telling me Koshi needs lynching? I'd do that for shitz and giggles + Show Spoiler + probably+ Show Spoiler + maybe+ Show Spoiler + ...probably not. Where did my sense for adventure go On July 11 2014 14:48 HiroPro wrote: Let's imagine that you're a mafia player who got caught with his pants down like this. Do you: a) fake-claim b) ignore any questions as to why you lied c) try to out some power roles d) all of the above and now you know why I've been so mad at layabout... The whole thing just doesn't make sense because why'd he say he got RB'ed ON PURPOSE as a townie? On purpose means he knew about there not being RB-notifications. If he knows there are no RBs notifications to begin with I just don't see him doing some crazy plan either because he'd just assume that other people know about it as well OR that at least SOMEONE would point it out because "omg I just found mafia" (point proven by layabout and me) before anything happens. So there's about NO way that he knew about this thing with no notifications. Absolutely no way. If he doesn't know about there not being notifications there's no town agenda behind some convoluted plan because the knowledge would be needed for that. Thus I'm pretty fucking sure the guy is mafia who slipped but wanted it confirmed with my question because there is always that chance that the guy is just crazy and palmar literally flips a coins the moment he's dead to decide what BM will flip... | ||
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