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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 11 2014 06:45 GMT
#2101
The wings of SMAUG!
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 11 2014 06:51 GMT
#2102
On July 11 2014 14:48 HiroPro wrote:
Let's imagine that you're a mafia player who got caught with his pants down like this.

Do you:

a) fake-claim
b) ignore any questions as to why you lied
c) try to out some power roles
d) all of the above

Explain.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 11 2014 06:54 GMT
#2103
On July 11 2014 15:51 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 14:48 HiroPro wrote:
Let's imagine that you're a mafia player who got caught with his pants down like this.

Do you:

a) fake-claim
b) ignore any questions as to why you lied
c) try to out some power roles
d) all of the above

Explain.

No

U explain THIS


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You

How dare u

U

U fagit
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
July 11 2014 06:56 GMT
#2104
Lol slam.

I am never lynching you in a million years.
Writer@WriterYamato
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 11 2014 07:03 GMT
#2105
On July 11 2014 15:51 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 14:48 HiroPro wrote:
Let's imagine that you're a mafia player who got caught with his pants down like this.

Do you:

a) fake-claim
b) ignore any questions as to why you lied
c) try to out some power roles
d) all of the above

Explain.

Koshi would have been a prime target for medics/protective roles last night. By claiming to track someone to Koshi, but not giving a name, you encourage anyone who did so to out themselves. If no one claims, no harm, you're already in deep shit anyway.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 11 2014 07:26 GMT
#2106
Right now I'm most comfortable with an mderg lynch.

On July 11 2014 11:12 slOosh wrote:
Ehh maybe it's just mderg for not instantly realizing that VE voted ObiWanShinobi and is super unlikely to be scum.

Let me expound:

On July 11 2014 00:25 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 00:12 Vivax wrote:
So your scumreads are Cora, forum and yamato?

Do you still scumread yamato?

You forgot VE.

He was on ObiWanShinobi, right? Then I´m not sure about him anymore. Not impossible that they´re scumbuddies but unlikely.

Context: D2 (pg 94~95), Vivax asks mderg to clarify his scumreads. Additionally he asks if mderg still scumreads yamato (presumably asking about mderg's interpretation of the Obiwan flip).

Mderg responds "you forgot VE". As in, "VE is still a scumread".

Then he says of yamato, "he was on ObiWanShinobi, right?", and then retracts his scumread on yamato based on his voting of ObiWan and the unlikelyhood of a bus.

Checkpoint: At this post, mderg knows that ObiWan flipped scum. I say this because he is doing this slow reading thing, and it's not at all clear where he is and while really annoying, it's something to consider. He has read the D2 daypost and knows ObiWan flipped scum.

The way the phrasing happens, mderg is recalling from memory the D1 stuff. "yamato was on Obi right?"

Night 1, p90:
On July 10 2014 08:44 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2014 23:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
I actually like yamato and I'm nullish leaning town on prplhz, so I'm actually gonna stop pushing mderg becase A) I'm not getting any support for it and B) because ObiWan is an equally good lynch fmp. So yeah.

##Unvote
##Vote: ObiWanShinobi

This looks really bad to me. Considering how convinced you were of me being scum this unvote was surprisingly easy. I also can´t really grasp your reasons for voting ObiWanShinobi. I think you mentioned him 1 time before that vote and that mention didn´t look like a scumread to me.
So you decide to change your vote from your biggest scumread to someone who somehow is an equally good lynch. There is a lack of explanation and it doesn´t make you look very townie.

mderg's scumread on VE is precisely because VE moved his vote off him (mderg) onto Obiwan. So mderg knows that VE voted ObiWan. Yet when he reconsiders yamato as potential town for being on ObiWan, he does not mention VE at all! The read that should have changed first doesn't change!


What's my point?

mderg is scum because he is inconsistent. The information he holds and the way he interprets it is inconsistent with his reads. Town don't do that. Scum do that.

##Vote: mderg
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 11 2014 07:29 GMT
#2107
On July 11 2014 16:03 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 15:51 slOosh wrote:
On July 11 2014 14:48 HiroPro wrote:
Let's imagine that you're a mafia player who got caught with his pants down like this.

Do you:

a) fake-claim
b) ignore any questions as to why you lied
c) try to out some power roles
d) all of the above

Explain.

Koshi would have been a prime target for medics/protective roles last night. By claiming to track someone to Koshi, but not giving a name, you encourage anyone who did so to out themselves. If no one claims, no harm, you're already in deep shit anyway.

This makes no sense. Why would a blue out themselves before BM claims anything?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 11 2014 07:37 GMT
#2108
On July 11 2014 16:29 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 16:03 HiroPro wrote:
On July 11 2014 15:51 slOosh wrote:
On July 11 2014 14:48 HiroPro wrote:
Let's imagine that you're a mafia player who got caught with his pants down like this.

Do you:

a) fake-claim
b) ignore any questions as to why you lied
c) try to out some power roles
d) all of the above

Explain.

Koshi would have been a prime target for medics/protective roles last night. By claiming to track someone to Koshi, but not giving a name, you encourage anyone who did so to out themselves. If no one claims, no harm, you're already in deep shit anyway.

This makes no sense. Why would a blue out themselves before BM claims anything?

Because people on TL love to claim for the slightest reason? You should know this by now.

Anyway your case on mderg seems pretty ticky-tacky. It's not all clear from what you quoted whether mderg was still expressing a mafia read on VE then or whether mderg was saying that Vivax had forgotten that mderg had expressed a previous mafia read on VE.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 11 2014 07:41 GMT
#2109
To put it into terms you may better understand - for the same reason that layabout said stuff about there not being any notifications when he should have just kept his mouth shut. People think they're being helpful even when they're not.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 11 2014 07:43 GMT
#2110
On July 11 2014 16:37 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 16:29 slOosh wrote:
On July 11 2014 16:03 HiroPro wrote:
On July 11 2014 15:51 slOosh wrote:
On July 11 2014 14:48 HiroPro wrote:
Let's imagine that you're a mafia player who got caught with his pants down like this.

Do you:

a) fake-claim
b) ignore any questions as to why you lied
c) try to out some power roles
d) all of the above

Explain.

Koshi would have been a prime target for medics/protective roles last night. By claiming to track someone to Koshi, but not giving a name, you encourage anyone who did so to out themselves. If no one claims, no harm, you're already in deep shit anyway.

This makes no sense. Why would a blue out themselves before BM claims anything?

Because people on TL love to claim for the slightest reason? You should know this by now.

Anyway your case on mderg seems pretty ticky-tacky. It's not all clear from what you quoted whether mderg was still expressing a mafia read on VE then or whether mderg was saying that Vivax had forgotten that mderg had expressed a previous mafia read on VE.

Garbo soft defense HiroPro, it's pretty clear that Vivax asked him for current scum reads (hence his use of the present tense), Try again.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 11 2014 07:51 GMT
#2111
w/e. there's no point in me discussing this with you any further when he should be the one talking about himself. But I think you're seriously mistaken if you think that shows anything, especially when he's not a native english speaker.

Do you have any town explanation for BM's behavior?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 11 2014 07:53 GMT
#2112
On July 11 2014 16:51 HiroPro wrote:
w/e. there's no point in me discussing this with you any further when he should be the one talking about himself. But I think you're seriously mistaken if you think that shows anything, especially when he's not a native english speaker.

Do you have any town explanation for BM's behavior?

*Soft defends mderg multiple times*

"he should be the one talking about himself"

*defends him again in the same post*

And yes I have reasons to believe BM is more likely town than scum, but that is independent of mderg's alignment.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
July 11 2014 07:56 GMT
#2113
##Vote Bill Murray

confirmed liars get lynched

sloosh, thoughts on damdred and my case and some very very good reason you think the confirmed liar is town
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 11 2014 07:58 GMT
#2114
I'm gonna go to sleep now because I'm pretty tilted by the fact that HiroPro dismissed my case on the basis that mderg might not be able to speak english well. Like really.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 11 2014 07:58 GMT
#2115
I'm asking you for them you moron. I'm doing you the courtesy of reading your posts and replying. The least you can do is reply to one question.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 11 2014 08:05 GMT
#2116
On July 11 2014 16:56 prplhz wrote:
##Vote Bill Murray

confirmed liars get lynched

sloosh, thoughts on damdred and my case and some very very good reason you think the confirmed liar is town

Town sometimes lie. You can argue that it's wrong and stupid but it doesn't change the fact that sometimes town lie. Sometimes for baits, sometimes cause they just forget, sometimes for other reasons.

Ver says it himself in how to improve:
On August 26 2010 13:08 Ver wrote:
Also, this is a good point to address the misconception that 'lying=mafia,' which is clearly not the case. I lie all the time as town, and much more rarely as mafia. Some may condemn this as inferior play, but lying, among other 'anti-town plays,' lets you open new routes of play that are ordinarily inaccessible if you behave as a 'perfect townie.' Most of the time you have to take a risk if you want to win. Of course the execution is everything, as lying for no gain is just going to make it harder for the town to do anything. And of course, many town players will lie on accident, without reason, or for some bizarre reason or another that you have no way of knowing. A point that will be emphasized continuously is the necessity to differentiate between mafia and bad townie play. You can't just lynch people and when they pop green excuse yourself by saying 'oh they were anti-town anyways.' The goal is to kill mafia, period.


So I don't see him claiming to be roleblocked alignment indicative, since it could have town motivations or scum motivations.

I think it is unlikely that BM is scum because ObiWanShinobi's one scum read was BM. I really doubt that the one actual read that scum holds among all null reads is on a teammate, especially when you don't anticipate your death.

As for Damdred, I'm more hesitant of the lynch because he came from a different site where playstyles and habits and whatnot might just straight up be different. I agree he is laidback and doesn't have strong convictions, but I could see town doing that too.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 11 2014 08:07 GMT
#2117
K, sleeping before I start getting caustic.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
July 11 2014 08:13 GMT
#2118
On July 11 2014 17:05 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 16:56 prplhz wrote:
##Vote Bill Murray

confirmed liars get lynched

sloosh, thoughts on damdred and my case and some very very good reason you think the confirmed liar is town

Town sometimes lie. You can argue that it's wrong and stupid but it doesn't change the fact that sometimes town lie. Sometimes for baits, sometimes cause they just forget, sometimes for other reasons.

Ver says it himself in how to improve:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2010 13:08 Ver wrote:
Also, this is a good point to address the misconception that 'lying=mafia,' which is clearly not the case. I lie all the time as town, and much more rarely as mafia. Some may condemn this as inferior play, but lying, among other 'anti-town plays,' lets you open new routes of play that are ordinarily inaccessible if you behave as a 'perfect townie.' Most of the time you have to take a risk if you want to win. Of course the execution is everything, as lying for no gain is just going to make it harder for the town to do anything. And of course, many town players will lie on accident, without reason, or for some bizarre reason or another that you have no way of knowing. A point that will be emphasized continuously is the necessity to differentiate between mafia and bad townie play. You can't just lynch people and when they pop green excuse yourself by saying 'oh they were anti-town anyways.' The goal is to kill mafia, period.


So I don't see him claiming to be roleblocked alignment indicative, since it could have town motivations or scum motivations.

I think it is unlikely that BM is scum because ObiWanShinobi's one scum read was BM. I really doubt that the one actual read that scum holds among all null reads is on a teammate, especially when you don't anticipate your death.

As for Damdred, I'm more hesitant of the lynch because he came from a different site where playstyles and habits and whatnot might just straight up be different. I agree he is laidback and doesn't have strong convictions, but I could see town doing that too.

townies don't lie for no reason. you can't play this game if you think townies lie about random things for no reason. then every single case is dismissable on the grounds that "he's just doing whatever". when townies lie they think "hey, if i say this and that something might come of it" but that's absolutely not what bill murray is doing right now. he just said something because he thought he would get town cred or spread chaos or whatever and then he said some more shit about a claim and then he left because "fuck this".

obiwan did indeed point his finger at bm but not really. he didn't vote for him or anything, it was really just an offhand remark and then a slight followup because of something BM happened to say to him to him. i wouldn't draw any conclusions from that.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 11 2014 08:35 GMT
#2119
I tracked Sinani to Koshi last night.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 11 2014 08:36 GMT
#2120
I am really behind on this game. I still have 57 pages to read. I apologize for my absence.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
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