TL Mafia LXVII: Storm Mafia 2 - Page 106

On July 11 2014 14:48 HiroPro wrote:
Let's imagine that you're a mafia player who got caught with his pants down like this.

Do you:

a) fake-claim
b) ignore any questions as to why you lied
c) try to out some power roles
d) all of the above

On July 11 2014 15:51 slOosh wrote:

Explain.

On July 11 2014 11:12 slOosh wrote:
Ehh maybe it's just mderg for not instantly realizing that VE voted ObiWanShinobi and is super unlikely to be scum.

On July 11 2014 00:25 mderg wrote:

You forgot VE.

He was on ObiWanShinobi, right? Then I´m not sure about him anymore. Not impossible that they´re scumbuddies but unlikely.

On July 10 2014 08:44 mderg wrote:

This looks really bad to me. Considering how convinced you were of me being scum this unvote was surprisingly easy. I also can´t really grasp your reasons for voting ObiWanShinobi. I think you mentioned him 1 time before that vote and that mention didn´t look like a scumread to me.
So you decide to change your vote from your biggest scumread to someone who somehow is an equally good lynch. There is a lack of explanation and it doesn´t make you look very townie.

On July 11 2014 16:03 HiroPro wrote:

Koshi would have been a prime target for medics/protective roles last night. By claiming to track someone to Koshi, but not giving a name, you encourage anyone who did so to out themselves. If no one claims, no harm, you're already in deep shit anyway.

On July 11 2014 16:29 slOosh wrote:

This makes no sense. Why would a blue out themselves before BM claims anything?

On July 11 2014 16:37 HiroPro wrote:

Because people on TL love to claim for the slightest reason? You should know this by now.

Anyway your case on mderg seems pretty ticky-tacky. It's not all clear from what you quoted whether mderg was still expressing a mafia read on VE then or whether mderg was saying that Vivax had forgotten that mderg had expressed a previous mafia read on VE.

On July 11 2014 16:51 HiroPro wrote:
w/e. there's no point in me discussing this with you any further when he should be the one talking about himself. But I think you're seriously mistaken if you think that shows anything, especially when he's not a native english speaker.

Do you have any town explanation for BM's behavior?

On July 11 2014 16:56 prplhz wrote:
##Vote Bill Murray

confirmed liars get lynched

sloosh, thoughts on damdred and my case and some very very good reason you think the confirmed liar is town

On August 26 2010 13:08 Ver wrote:
Also, this is a good point to address the misconception that 'lying=mafia,' which is clearly not the case. I lie all the time as town, and much more rarely as mafia. Some may condemn this as inferior play, but lying, among other 'anti-town plays,' lets you open new routes of play that are ordinarily inaccessible if you behave as a 'perfect townie.' Most of the time you have to take a risk if you want to win. Of course the execution is everything, as lying for no gain is just going to make it harder for the town to do anything. And of course, many town players will lie on accident, without reason, or for some bizarre reason or another that you have no way of knowing. A point that will be emphasized continuously is the necessity to differentiate between mafia and bad townie play. You can't just lynch people and when they pop green excuse yourself by saying 'oh they were anti-town anyways.' The goal is to kill mafia, period.

On July 11 2014 17:05 slOosh wrote:

Town sometimes lie. You can argue that it's wrong and stupid but it doesn't change the fact that sometimes town lie. Sometimes for baits, sometimes cause they just forget, sometimes for other reasons.

Ver says it himself in how to improve:


So I don't see him claiming to be roleblocked alignment indicative, since it could have town motivations or scum motivations.

I think it is unlikely that BM is scum because ObiWanShinobi's one scum read was BM. I really doubt that the one actual read that scum holds among all null reads is on a teammate, especially when you don't anticipate your death.

As for Damdred, I'm more hesitant of the lynch because he came from a different site where playstyles and habits and whatnot might just straight up be different. I agree he is laidback and doesn't have strong convictions, but I could see town doing that too.