A Fire Upon the Deep Mini Mafia

On June 29 2014 04:31 sinani206 wrote:


Let's keep replying to this comment chain.

On June 29 2014 13:36 EchelonTee wrote:
If you were joking then w.e, I just think it is excessively negative to tell someone to let themself be modkilled if they don't see the thread in the exact same way that you do. Calling everyone bad who doesn't see eye to eye with you is both 1. not conducive to good town environment 2. douchey. but since you were joking, w.e. There are people who aren't joking when they say things like "god you are so fn terrible town would be better if you suicided", etc.

Simply put, I don't like how people often bash town, and in a game like this we are in the best position to subvert that to town advantage. I'm not trying to exclusively single you out, but it is a common thread in most mafia games. Yeah, in most games there are often townie lurkers. Yeah there are often townies who don't explain themself at all. But unlike 30man games where those kinds of things are nearly unavoidable, this is a 9 man game. There aren't many places for scum to hide. So, if we foster an environment where people feel at ease talking discussing sharing reads, it puts a lot more pressure on scum to act, perform.

Are you sure, I am not complaining about slam? pls read thread bettr lul

On June 30 2014 09:57 Chairman Ray wrote:


Similar impressions as me. He didn't include Snickers, who is the most active player so far. I would personally slot Snickers under slightly scummy just because he's taking some little things a bit too serious.

On July 01 2014 08:10 EchelonTee wrote:

? This is what I said:


I said your case is bad because you claimed Robik was pushing CR without having his own reasoning. I pointed out that he did have his own reasoning. I did not mention following at all.

Are you not an English native speaker?

On July 01 2014 10:32 IAmRobik wrote:

How can you like someone who says "I would like to vote alakslam"?

Are you shitting me. What does that even mean?!?!? That's support polite, not trying to step on anyone's toes, omg, i hope people don't hate me for trying to get slam lynched right now, bullshit that's not convincing or forceful and doesn't mean shit, even when combined with a vote.

Why didn't he say "i'm voting slam" or i'm going to fucking vote slam right now cause that dude is fucking scum and here's why

On July 01 2014 11:15 EchelonTee wrote:
Snickers, will you lay off? Implying that I am disinterested due to taking a fucking nap is completely ludicrous, when I am clearly one of the more active people in this game. You were already completely off the mark with this post so I'd appreciate if you'd just stop antagonizing me.

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I didn't like this post at all.

Your wording here is so. odd. "If I had to pick people to lynch"?

This is Mafia! If you're town then of course you want to pick people to lynch. That's how town wins the game. Why the "If I had to"? The way you worded that seems very reluctant, like you don't really believe in your reads at all. That's scummy to me.

I also feel like your case on Alakaslam is not good.

1st you criticize Slam's early vote. Despite this being an IML setup, that doesn't change the fact that votes done very early are clearly just pressure votes, also known as the random voting stage. Basing a case off of that is ridiculous.

2nd you criticize the same vote, disregarding that Slam has long laid off from his pressure.

It's just not a compelling case.

On July 02 2014 02:20 IAmRobik wrote:

You can't say "my post wasn't pointless because people are bringing it up 10 pages later." Your post was pointless because it didn't fucking say anything.

Did you ever explain your read on the end of page 5 where you said "someone already did something weird and possibly scummy and i'll bring it up tomorrow?" Was that in reference to the post you quoted of me saying that I'm trying to draw a nk?

On July 02 2014 02:29 IAmRobik wrote:
Your confusing multiple posts.

Summarizing your post:

Paragraph 1: Explanation of BH scum advice and that you think it's annoying
Paragraph 2: Explanation of how ET shouldn't find your post excessively negative
Paragraph 3: Discussion of IML and how people shouldn't vote cause mafia can late-vote to hammer if it gets close
Paragraph 4: More talk about how being BM is trendy

Please tell me how that post is useful AT ALL.

On July 02 2014 03:56 IAmRobik wrote:
Saying that I can't read isn't gonna win you an argument. Anyone who reads what you wrote will come to the same conclusion. If you want to apologize for not saying what you actually meant, then that's one thing, but saying I'm misinterpreting or misunderstanding what you wrote is a huge fallacy.

Whatever, SnB and I will get you lynched tomorrow. No skin off my back. Feel free to ignore me for the rest of the game and continue making useless posts.

Bye!

On July 02 2014 04:11 IAmRobik wrote:

No, at this point I'm just arguing with you because I'm trying to drive a point into your pea-sized brain. You refuse to live in a world where you are wrong. But you are wrong in this case so I really really need to work extra hard to make you feel so bad about yourself that you might actually accept how wrong you are from a veteran of forum mafia.

On July 05 2014 05:51 strongandbig wrote:
The case on poofter is that him being pushed by robik is a much more reasonable cause for robik to be killed than to frame you, plus robins case on iPod. Your think about looking at mislynched players over night killed ones is stupid.

On June 29 2014 08:24 Snickers wrote:
I think the bh scum advice is to make jokes about a topic when someone call you scum. He is not being cryptic it is more of a "let me be overly complicated with my posts because I like to look awesome!". Its annoying just because its so forced and it is also annoying because it is scummy in a way but not so scummy people actually vote for them. So they just cause unneeded confusion all game. Personally I think it should count as playing against your win condition when your town. Being confusing to look cool is just a hassle.

Also ET I do not see how it is excessively negative, I could maybe see negative. I was joking first off. Yes there will be bad players in this game (my second game, first has not even ended but I am dead). If you could not see the only weird post above mine and I had to point it out for you...... hopefully this is your first game.... but wait that would be breaking the rules unless you talked to bh.... oh wait how many people actually read the rules...

As far as IML its instant majority lynch that means that if somebody else hoped into this thread and voted for me, then both mafia players voted for me, it would then probably be 5 town vs 2 mafia. It is also bad because we want to wait as close to 72 hours as possible before lynch.

I do no think its in vogue. But why are you not complaining about slam being constructive? He does not explain a term but I have to quote..... already we are divided.

On July 05 2014 10:11 Tehpoofter wrote:



I could see that I'm really not sure who to vote. I feel like Robik had to be right about someone or he wouldn't die (unless he was wrong on everyone) I mean he was pretty townie over night.

I might vote sinani or Slam atm. Slam freely voting at first I thought was more townie but I feel like he might use his trolliness to his mafia advantage what you think about those to snickers?

On June 30 2014 23:37 strongandbig wrote:
I would lynch:

- snickers, for srs this time.
(1) complains about getting hit with rvs, seems to care way too much about one or two votes. Not necessarily scum but a yellow flag at least.
(2) more importantly - I want to lynch him for this post, and the ones that follow it:



This and the follow-ups read to me like he's trying too hard to fit an image of what "TL townies play like". The emotion doesn't read as genuine to me, there's no reason for it. Instead it feels like he's trying to force an image.

A meat lynch would be okay with me atm, or at least preferable to no lynch. There's the thing et pointed out, plus I don't like that he called robik his "top town read" at a point when robik had made two posts - one a joke and one saying he was not reading the thread. I want to hear from meat - what motivated you to put robik as top?

But right now I'd rather lynch snickers.

On July 06 2014 12:40 EchelonTee wrote:
Random thoughts in case I die. Warning, crappy logic inc:

Town:
Me

Slam: I think Slam is town mostly from gut feeling / he seems to have genuine interest in trying to get town to talk. He could be a Mafia posing, which would not be too hard, but if he is scum we already lost.

I dunno:
Strongandbig: I’m pretty torn on SnB because he hasn’t done anything really suspicious and has helped organize votes and such, but something just feels off. I’ve played with SnB a few times iirc and I remember him being more active / organiz-y than this. However with such a slow game he can’t be solely blamed for that.

Tehpoof: My initial read on Tehpoof was that he was scummy based on his active lurking D1. What I mean by active lurking is he was definitely around, but was doing a lot of 1 liners early on, eventually settling on Robik which was a lynch that was never going to happen. However his D2 seemed pretty genuine in his questioning. Once again, it would not be hard for scum to fake this so I don’t consider him auto townie. Also, though Robik was against him, my impression was that the main reason he didn't like tehpoof was because tehpoof was going after Robik. OMGUS essentially. I don't think that tehpoof pushing Robik automatically makes him scummy, town make mistakes.

Scummy:
Chairman Ray – Looking back at his D1 play I still think the way he talked was scummy. Robik thought he was scum. A good lynch IMO.

Snickers – In his last game he had good reads but was abrasive about it. This game he is similarly abrasive but I don’t feel he has the same interest in formulating good reads. Another thing is our weird disagreements / his arguments with Robik. In my eyes there are two possibilities; Townie Snickers thinks about Mafia in a different way than I, so we simply don’t understand each other. Or, Scum Snickers jerks around town, using arguing with people as a way to be active without generating focused, useful content. His strange emotions coupled with what I think is less focused play than would be expected from town Snickers makes me think he is scum.

Cases look weak? Well I don’t have much to go off on. But if someone gave me two bullets to decide the game, I would shoot CR and Snickers.

On June 29 2014 04:12 Alakaslam wrote:
Fine

What I can gather is last people to vote are likely scum hoping they can hammer a townie

But they may know this so there is WIFOM

Think before hammer we have this luxury of time. For now, I think SNB has the right idea

snickers

On July 06 2014 12:40 EchelonTee wrote:
Random thoughts in case I die. Warning, crappy logic inc:

Town:
Me

Slam: I think Slam is town mostly from gut feeling / he seems to have genuine interest in trying to get town to talk. He could be a Mafia posing, which would not be too hard, but if he is scum we already lost.

I dunno:
Strongandbig: I’m pretty torn on SnB because he hasn’t done anything really suspicious and has helped organize votes and such, but something just feels off. I’ve played with SnB a few times iirc and I remember him being more active / organiz-y than this. However with such a slow game he can’t be solely blamed for that.

Tehpoof: My initial read on Tehpoof was that he was scummy based on his active lurking D1. What I mean by active lurking is he was definitely around, but was doing a lot of 1 liners early on, eventually settling on Robik which was a lynch that was never going to happen. However his D2 seemed pretty genuine in his questioning. Once again, it would not be hard for scum to fake this so I don’t consider him auto townie. Also, though Robik was against him, my impression was that the main reason he didn't like tehpoof was because tehpoof was going after Robik. OMGUS essentially. I don't think that tehpoof pushing Robik automatically makes him scummy, town make mistakes.

Scummy:
Chairman Ray – Looking back at his D1 play I still think the way he talked was scummy. Robik thought he was scum. A good lynch IMO.

Snickers – In his last game he had good reads but was abrasive about it. This game he is similarly abrasive but I don’t feel he has the same interest in formulating good reads. Another thing is our weird disagreements / his arguments with Robik. In my eyes there are two possibilities; Townie Snickers thinks about Mafia in a different way than I, so we simply don’t understand each other. Or, Scum Snickers jerks around town, using arguing with people as a way to be active without generating focused, useful content. His strange emotions coupled with what I think is less focused play than would be expected from town Snickers makes me think he is scum.

Cases look weak? Well I don’t have much to go off on. But if someone gave me two bullets to decide the game, I would shoot CR and Snickers.

On July 02 2014 00:53 IAmRobik wrote:
Pg 4:

Is Snickers a smurf? How does he know this? I had BH as a coach for me before and he never gave me this advice.....
I read this post and have 0 feelings about it. It says nothing with a lot of words. It's active without being active. He also does that mafia thing (which ritoky is so keen to point out usually) or just responding to peoples' questions line for line, question after question as if it's a homework assignment.



There's nothing particularly towny about this post, but the tone of it reads so fucking genuine that I'd be surprised if a mafia cared so much and so strongly about someone bashing townies:
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