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mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
June 28 2014 14:08 GMT
#660
On June 28 2014 23:00 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 22:51 mderg wrote:
On June 28 2014 22:18 Vivax wrote:
It's also time for some action cause I found a scum:

##shoot: mderg

Watch him flip red and shit bricks

you didn´t find scum. And your reasoning is shit.


Prove me wrong. You changed your reasoning on sinani and Rain when presented with the fact that sinani's, kush's and my (not posted) reaction weren't scummy cause mafia would know that a townie claiming scum is still a townie.

This only applies when you think or know that Robik IS indeed townie. If you take away this aspect, like you did when you said you don't like him anymore (in the context of being asked about people you would lynch), then that also should have changed back your reasoning on Rain and sinani, which I didn't see happen when I asked you about people you would lynch.

If you are actually dayvig, you will be proven wrong soon enough.

In what world would the votes make sense when they´re mafia together? If Robik is actually mafia, there´s like no way they´re also mafia.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
June 28 2014 19:50 GMT
#818
I actually thought I was gonna die there for a moment.

On June 28 2014 23:33 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 23:08 mderg wrote:
On June 28 2014 23:00 Vivax wrote:
On June 28 2014 22:51 mderg wrote:
On June 28 2014 22:18 Vivax wrote:
It's also time for some action cause I found a scum:

##shoot: mderg

Watch him flip red and shit bricks

you didn´t find scum. And your reasoning is shit.


Prove me wrong. You changed your reasoning on sinani and Rain when presented with the fact that sinani's, kush's and my (not posted) reaction weren't scummy cause mafia would know that a townie claiming scum is still a townie.

This only applies when you think or know that Robik IS indeed townie. If you take away this aspect, like you did when you said you don't like him anymore (in the context of being asked about people you would lynch), then that also should have changed back your reasoning on Rain and sinani, which I didn't see happen when I asked you about people you would lynch.

If you are actually dayvig, you will be proven wrong soon enough.

In what world would the votes make sense when they´re mafia together? If Robik is actually mafia, there´s like no way they´re also mafia.


Sure there is, if one of your scumbuddies fakeclaims, you will overreact most of the times if he doesn't inform you of it beforehand which is pretty much something I exclude in this case cause he made that post within a minute as a reply to Rain and hence would have had no time to tell his scumbuddies "Hey bros I'm going to claim scum now be rdy".

Overall I don't think he's scum anyway but if you think that you can clear sinani on the premise that Robik is town but don't keep suspecting sinani when that premise is gone, then you aren't thinking townie in my opinion.

Saying they can't be scum together is an entirely different mindset than you used before to clear one of them.

It also involved you changing your mindset from "Robik is too ballsy to be scum" to "He can be this ballsy and it could also have been a trap for townies".

I will listen to what you have to say and reconsider if I have to but I found the way your reads developed there quite untownielike. If I'm making a mistake by all means help me believe that it is what I'm doing.

It wasn´t really on the premise that Robik is town. And I don´t think scum would overreact when their buddy fakeslips like that. They would probably wait a bit to see what happens.


On June 29 2014 00:07 sinani206 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2014 00:04 Koshi wrote:
Wait people actually really did believe the Robik thing. dafuq... I thought everybody was joking. But they aren't. This changes things. Sinani doesn't look so bad now. He really really believes it...


The human brain works in interesting ways. I'm not saying he's 100% scum but since Robik is just constantly active, typing every single thought in the thread, I think there's actually plenty of opportunity for him to have accidentally said what he was thinking instead of the lies he is supposed to be spreading as scum.

Also the test doesn't really make sense from a townie perspective. I don't see why biting on that is alignment indicative.

Let´s be honest, scumslips like that don´t happen. It was intentional, regardless of his alignment.

On June 29 2014 01:10 HaruRH wrote:
My reads:

On robik's fake scumslip

Robik's fake scumslip was the only good opportunity for us all to read reactions of everyone where not everyone is joking away. Cav and sinani stood out for me because they actually believed it was real and they weren't joking . Most have already unvoted and knew it was a joke/fake slip but they continued to seriously called robik scum. Next, exo came in and voted for robik, but never unvoted nor replied to his claims properly.

Reads on me

I also want to reply to all my read-ers properly. Idk why koshi decided not to scumread me, but I felt the love disappearing.
Rainbows continued to pressure me while I was still sleeping. Yay for rainbows. He is definitely town for the amount of content posted, but we all know posts don't mean town. Also, please don't be scared of another mislynch. It is not good to withdraw your vote and reads on me because you are scared.
Robik also scumread me and called me a good lynch for today. But he still haven't said why.

There are like 0 conclusions in these reads. The only thing that comes close to a read is town on Rainbow for the amount of content but then again post count doesn´t men town. I don´t care that you never got correct reads D1 or something like that. This is just inconclusive nothing of an amount even I have never managed to achieve.
I´ll give you the benefit of the doubt for D1 but you´re not looking good at all.


On June 29 2014 01:23 IAmRobik wrote:
I'm legitimately going to quit the game of mafia if we don't lynch sinani. Anyone claiming the my case on him is bad or wrong needs to learn how to fucking read into things. THIS IS EXACLTY what sinani did. Letting him get away with it is beyond atrocious. AND IF HE THINKS I'M MAFIA AND WAS TAKING MY CLAIM SERIOUSLY, THEN HE WOULDN'T HAVE FUCKING UNVOTED ME WHEN HE DID.

I'm gonna to fucking lose my shit -- You guys are all so fucking bad and annoying

(granted I may be heated by events in another ongoing game, but like, this dude is fucking mafia and he needs to be lynched over any fucking other person in this game)

I THINK YOU SHOULD BE EXPERIENCED ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT WRITING LIKE THIS DOES NOT HELP TO GET PEOPLE TO FOLLOW YOUR READS



On June 29 2014 03:33 Cavalinho wrote:
Koshi, I still don't understand what you're talking about. I think sinani is scum and I think Robik actually has a decent case on him. I would much rather lynch sinani today over everyone else and I don't know why you keep saying that I'm "dropping" it with Kush when I haven't even been around in the thread to interact with him.

The case doesn´t really look that good anymore. It´s definitely not more convincing than your case on kush. So I don´t get why you´re voting sinani.



I don´t think Exo is actually gonna talk before the deadline. If he doesn´t get modkilled, he would be a great target for a vig shot.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
June 28 2014 19:57 GMT
#823
On June 29 2014 04:55 Cavalinho wrote:
Nope, it's just gut. I don't see the need to waste a lynch on someone that isn't playing.

I'm not even done with my reads list yet. I'm stopping to make food and then I'll post my reads on Vivax/Robik/Palmar.

I feel left out
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
June 28 2014 20:12 GMT
#836
Why exactly would you lynch Palmar?
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
June 28 2014 20:23 GMT
#855
Rephrasing your flavor could be helpful.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
June 28 2014 20:24 GMT
#857
On June 29 2014 05:23 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2014 05:22 HaruRH wrote:
He definitely won't survive past d1/n1 LOL

If people still want to lynch him -> dead
If he survive -> scum shoot him -> dead

RIP cava.


Yeah but would you lynch him today? I wouldn't.

He definitely should not be lynched
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
June 28 2014 20:41 GMT
#886
With Cav´s claim there´s no way we should lynch him now.
I also don´t want to lynch sinani because I don´t think scum would actually react to the Robik fakeslip like he did. Still a better lynch than cav but I would rather lynch haru right now.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
June 28 2014 20:42 GMT
#887
##unvote
##vote haru
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
June 28 2014 20:54 GMT
#905
really no one who wants to switch to haru?
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
June 28 2014 20:57 GMT
#914
On June 29 2014 05:56 ExO_ wrote:
what happens in case of voting tie?

like WHAT THE FUCK?
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
June 28 2014 20:59 GMT
#922
Ok, between cav and sinani I´d rather lynch sinani

##unvote
##vote sinani
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
June 28 2014 21:00 GMT
#929
##unvote
##vote cav
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
June 28 2014 21:08 GMT
#941
On June 29 2014 06:00 Holyflare wrote:
standby

votes on :00 do not count btw

I hate you now...
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
June 28 2014 21:14 GMT
#952
On June 29 2014 06:12 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2014 05:59 mderg wrote:
Ok, between cav and sinani I´d rather lynch sinani

##unvote
##vote sinani


Does anyone think this makes sense after what he posted about Robik being scummy and his trap more likely to lure townies into a trap?

Considering cav´s claim it does make sense.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
June 28 2014 21:15 GMT
#954
On June 29 2014 06:15 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2014 06:13 kushm4sta wrote:
On June 29 2014 06:12 Vivax wrote:
On June 29 2014 05:59 mderg wrote:
Ok, between cav and sinani I´d rather lynch sinani

##unvote
##vote sinani


Does anyone think this makes sense after what he posted about Robik being scummy and his trap more likely to lure townies into a trap?


i think it could make sense. It's natural to not want to lynch a blue claim. And there was only 1 other option.


Show nested quote +
On June 29 2014 06:00 mderg wrote:
##unvote
##vote cav


So why did he switched to cav at the last minute?

Exo
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
June 28 2014 21:19 GMT
#959
On June 29 2014 06:17 ObviousOne wrote:
ExO knew who to vote without being here all day what's up with that.

I think he´s scum
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
June 28 2014 21:36 GMT
#977
On June 29 2014 06:27 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2014 05:57 mderg wrote:
On June 29 2014 05:56 ExO_ wrote:
what happens in case of voting tie?

like WHAT THE FUCK?


Show nested quote +
On June 29 2014 05:59 ExO_ wrote:
I'd rather sinani over cava though so

##Unvote
Vote: sinani206


Show nested quote +
On June 29 2014 06:00 mderg wrote:
##unvote
##vote cav



mderg's reactions this game have been not townie on a multitude of occasions imo.
He just gets baffled by Exo's comeback but still doesn't mind a bit that he's choosing to not vote the claimed cop.

I don´t understand
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
June 28 2014 22:14 GMT
#1003
On June 29 2014 07:11 Vivax wrote:
I fail to understand mderg's decision making process based upon his past reads and conclusions and the fact that the guy he calls out for his sudden appereance (exo) votes for Cava and yet he doesn't mind a bit to put his vote into the same place like this edgy exo dude.

Didn´t he vote sinani?
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
June 30 2014 13:26 GMT
#1196
On June 30 2014 08:13 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 08:12 IAmRobik wrote:
If Kush really shot palmar he's an idiot.

In fact, he's dumber than he claims I am, cause there was nothing palmar did that was scummy, whereas EVERYTHIGN that sinani did was scummy

I lol´d. I guess there was some reason why he could have been scum but he was certainly not as scummy as you make him out to be.
Considering the kush´s post before the shot it seems very likely that it was him who shot Palmar.

On June 30 2014 08:29 Cavalinho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 08:13 IAmRobik wrote:
cava isn't cop btw.

but we can leave him alive for a bit longer


Look, the people doubting me here need to fucking stop. I just had my role outed and was nearly lynched for the third time in a row. I just lost all of my checks and I'm a likely mislynch at some point because I had a shitty day 1. I can take responsibility for playing as badly as I did, but I've played my hand and the fact that people can doubt me at this point is ridiculous. I am the cop, and I'm uncc'd. The reason for that is, shockingly, because I am actually the cop.

Also, since I'm making a giant post, I might as well map out what we're doing today:

We're not lynching anyone on sinani.
We find the scum hiding on my bandwagon from yesterday.
We lynch them.

My wagon yesterday was so obviously scum-driven that it pains me to listen to people make me out as mafia. Everytime I disappeared, people just went nuts and I couldn't deal with the fallout. I'd like someone to sit down and give me one, one good reason as to why we shouldn't believe me.

I'm going to have a bunch of questions ready for people to answer as soon as I can, but I'm not leaving until we squash this shit right here and now.

That logic is heavily flawed. If you´re town, scum didn´t really care which one of you two got lynched. You (assuming you are cop) are almost the same as a vt, so scum wouldn´t have anything to fear from you.

On June 30 2014 09:52 Rainbows wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 03:43 mderg wrote:
Did anyone really think Robik actually scumslipped? The supposed slips were so obvious (how they were in brackets and such). It makes one wonder why sinani and Rainbow disappeared after that.

So Robik is probably town. Like no sane scum would do that.



Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 03:52 mderg wrote:
I don´t think any town would have put a serious vote on you and he seemed to be serious and even disappeared after that. That looks really scummy.


Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 19:44 mderg wrote:
On June 28 2014 19:31 Vivax wrote:
On June 28 2014 19:25 mderg wrote:
On June 28 2014 19:17 Vivax wrote:
Mderg I'm curious though why you didn't talk about Koshi or Cava yet. Sure, Exo shines by inactivity on top of his reaction but even then it would be just 1 of 3 scum if we're right. Don't you have a read on those two already?

I have a hard time reading koshi. His reaction to Palmar´s case on you is strange but I don´t get the scummy vibes from him. I also don´t think his non reaction to Robik´s supposed scumslip is scummy. So I don´t really know what to think of him.

Cav is a bit suspicious for 2 things, wanting to lynch between you and Palmar and not explaining his Robik vote/not unvoting immediately. Both are kinda suspicious but I could imagine him doing that as town, so I don´t think he should be lynched day 1.


So now that you changed your mind about sinani which two people would you lynch aside from Exo if you had the choice.

I´ve always hated this question

Probably Cav but I wouldn´t want him lynched today.
Maybe haru because his play seems different from the only? game I´ve played with him. In Detention mafia his posts seemed more analytical. It would be more of a shot in the dark, though.

I also don´t like Robik that much anymore since he made this trap which is actually more likely to make townies look bad than scum.


Mderg, can you explain the line of thinking? You go from "Robik = town because fakeslip" and "No town would put a serious vote on Robik, that's scummy"

to

"Robik = scum because fakeslip" and "townies would totally put a serious vote on Robik"

If robiks trap is more likely to make townies look bad, then the voters on him are town putting down the serious vote. What changed your opinion?

Vivax´s analysis of the situation changed my opinion. Others also said that they thought it was an actual scumslip, so I figured that I probably was wrong about that.
The trap seems to have caught some townies, sinani would not have been lynched without this and kush who is most likely vig also thought Robik slipped. So from what we know at least 2 townies fell for the trap and we didn´t catch any scum with this.

Accomplishments of Robik´s shenanigans so far:
mislynching sinani
calling us all idiots
figuring out that kush shot Palmar and calling it stupid (would probably have happened without the fakeclaim)

His shenanigans definitely didn´t help town so far.

On June 30 2014 10:17 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 10:10 ObviousOne wrote:
wait so town shot palmar? two vig claims? can we just lynch both of them for being functionally retarded?


thanks bro...

about robik's claim. Im pretty sure it's a lie but I really dont understand wtf he is doing.

As for shooting palmar, he looked scummy as fuck. All night long I was like WHY IS PALMAR TOWN SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME. No one did. I Said why I thought palmar was scummy, no one responded. I think it was a fine vig shot.

But nice job defending palmar after the fact. I'm currently thinking either you or poofter must be scum, due to balance. You could both be scum honestly.

~~~
Maybe we shouldn't kill cav actually until the other PR is ready to claim. hmmm. I think haru is very scummy it looks like he is setting himself up to vote mderg after cav flips scum.
##unvote

~~~

But yeah rob needs to get back in here and straight talk with me.

I agree that there wasn´t anything that really made Palmar town. But there was also nothing that really made him scummy. His "I don´t give a fuck D1 attitude" wasn´t really alignment indicative.

Good point about haru. His posts don´t make me believe that he thinks cav is scum over me, yet he´s voting cav. Because it´s almost a necessity that cav flips cop to get me lynched easily.

On June 30 2014 11:30 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 10:19 kushm4sta wrote:
* haru setting himself up to lynch mderg after cav flips town


Kush scumslips

##Unvote
##Vote: Kush


His vote on me is completely hinging on the fact that cav flips town. What confidence.

how can he be scum when he is pretty much confirmed vig?
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
June 30 2014 13:26 GMT
#1197
On June 30 2014 00:44 HaruRH wrote:
Mderg's vote analysis

Show nested quote +
On June 29 2014 06:03 Holyflare wrote:
Vote Count - Day 1:


Palmar (0): Vivax, sinani206
Vivax (0): Palmar
sinani206 (6): mderg, HaruRH, IAmRobik, Cavalinho, Cavalinho, HaruRH, Tehpoofter, Cavalinho, Palmar, Koshi, HaruRH, Koshi, mderg, ExO_
Tehpoofter (0): kushm4sta, Koshi
kushm4sta (0): IAmRobik, Koshi, Cavalinho
IAmRobik (0): Cavalinho, Rainbows, sinani206, kushm4sta, Cavalinho, ExO_, Cavalinho, sinani206, Tehpoofter, Palmar
ObviousOne (0): Cavalinho, Koshi, Rainbows
Koshi (0): ObviousOne, HaruRH, Rainbows, Palmar
HaruRH (1): Rainbows, kushm4sta, kushm4sta, Palmar, mderg
Cavalinho (6): kushm4sta, kushm4sta, Koshi, ObviousOne, HaruRH, Rainbows, sinani206, Koshi, Vivax, Koshi
ExO_ (0): kushm4sta, mderg, Vivax
mderg (0): Vivax


Not voting: Nobody!



sinani206 has been lynched with 6 votes!

Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you!



his last minute change to cav was not shown, but his flippy floppy votes are very scummy. He have repeatedly mention that he don't want to lynch cav :
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 29 2014 05:24 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2014 05:23 Vivax wrote:
On June 29 2014 05:22 HaruRH wrote:
He definitely won't survive past d1/n1 LOL

If people still want to lynch him -> dead
If he survive -> scum shoot him -> dead

RIP cava.


Yeah but would you lynch him today? I wouldn't.

He definitely should not be lynched

On June 29 2014 05:41 mderg wrote:
With Cav´s claim there´s no way we should lynch him now.
I also don´t want to lynch sinani because I don´t think scum would actually react to the Robik fakeslip like he did. Still a better lynch than cav but I would rather lynch haru right now.

On June 29 2014 05:59 mderg wrote:
Ok, between cav and sinani I´d rather lynch sinani

##unvote
##vote sinani


However, at the last minute, because apparently he saw exo's vote, he changed to cav. This is definitely scummy because it helps him look less scummy from being involved in a town lynch. Exo would look scummy for hopping in last minute, but mderg would look less. Also, he probably suspect cav as a real cop and thus wanted to lynch him (scum motive) if that was true. He could easily use the excuse of exo shifting votes to show that he was only reacting.

I am sure there is a scum between cav and mderg. If cav flips blue (or green), mderg would be the biggest suspect for trying to lynch him despite crying out to town to not lynch him. On the other hand, if cav flips red, mderg is town because no scum would last minute change their vote to lynch their own scumbuddy. He could as easily remained on sinani lynch and save cav for a day. (actually, this might be what he did for posting during the time limit? <- WIFOM)

I don´t get your reasoning. Let´s take a look at the different possible scenarios here.
1)my last vote switch counting and cav being cop: I would look scummy as fuck for last minute switching to the cop, like the scummiest player in the game.
2)my last vote switch counting and cav being scum: I would look super awesome for saving town from the mislynch and making the deciding vote on a scum.
3)my last vote switch not counting and sinani being scum: I would look extremely bad for attempting to switch at the last second
4)my last vote switch not counting and sinani being town: I don´t really look good but also not really bad for it

summary: The last minute switch can only make me look good, if cav is scum. If he is town, I look bad. So why would I ever do this as scum? There would be no actual benefit for it.
So the most logical explanation is that I am town and thought cav was scum/ was scared of Exo deciding the lynch

I think you are making up reasons to make me look bad here. Your reasoning is wrong and if you had actually tried to find the mafia mindset behind my play, you would have seen that it just doesn´t make sense. I can´t imagine a townie drawing these conclusions.

##vote haru
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