EPTVE, stop martyring. There's still hope. There's always hope. Martyring is straight against your wincon.
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VE, stop martyring. There's still hope. There's always hope. Martyring is straight against your wincon. | ||
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On June 24 2014 08:51 YouKnowZhou wrote: Oh, come on. A guy can't just martyr a bunch and be like "hue hue you guys will look silly when I flip town" and have that be a towntell! What kind of stinking meta is this? Look, VE has, and listen to me about this, basically objectively played scummy about every major lynch in this game. He has faked anger, he has faked being afk, he has even posted a useless "Death reads" post that contains no new info and martyred for the past half hour. There's no way that this could possibly be a town VE. If he flips town I will PROVERBIALLY eat my hat. I am very, very glad that we have Koshi as a counterwagon; he at least is likely to flip scum. But come on, guys, look at VE. He's so much scummier. omg. It doesn't matter if you think it's stinking meta, it's accurate. Since when do you care about the way in which someone gives off towntells? It's either accurate or it isn't, and I'm pretty sure it's accurate. The faking anger/afk thing is all projection and something you can't be certain of. | ||
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On June 24 2014 08:56 Lazermonkey wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/458796-normal-mini-mafia-lvi?page=54#1067 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/458796-normal-mini-mafia-lvi?page=52#1021 I think those posts actually make Koshi a lot scummier than he was before though. That second post especially as he ends up making a case on Lazer but never votes him. | ||
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On June 24 2014 08:57 YouKnowZhou wrote: party cause Ve is more likely to flip scum but... also cause I want ve DEAD. I want him to die, to get lynched at my hands. I want this lynch to go my way. I want to be able to mockingly say "who's the town leader now? looks you failed on both qualifications" after he flips I want him to be SAD. [citation needed] 3 minutes left and I mentioned the game names already. Hydra Mini Mafia for scum VE getting caught, Shadow Mini Mafia for Town VE martyring. | ||
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On June 24 2014 08:58 YouKnowZhou wrote: Oh, I must have missed it. Well, eminently fakeable. I'm staying on VE, he'll flip, and I'll finally have peace. It will be glorious, oh yes. Fakable =/= likely to actually get faked. You're an outlier in the area of faking stuff and I worry you're projecting that ability onto VE who actually doesn't do things like that. Welp, 42 more minutes? I'm going to bed too. Just remember, Koshi is the wagon of justice. It's detailed in my filter why you should vote for him. VE is a bad lynch. If he actually turns out to be scum I will shake his hand and say well played after the game because it fooled me. Gn. | ||
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On June 24 2014 09:00 YouKnowZhou wrote: ##unvote ##vote Koshi  | ||
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On June 24 2014 11:33 Chezinu wrote: Well, does this confirm Art as scum then? How so? | ||
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-SlOosh is not scum. -Koshi has said he's not scum 20 million times and has not contributed in any other way. If anyone doesn't vote on Koshi on D4 unless he starts shitting massive, and I mean MASSIVE townie rainbows I am going to flip my shit. | ||
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On June 25 2014 00:43 Snickers wrote: (I am not Scum. I am not Scum. I am not Scum. I am not Scum. I am not Scum. I am Not Scum. I am not Scum. I am not Scum. I am not Scum. I am not Scum.)2,000,000 Anyway koshi has contributed more than VE is you ask me. Why is Sloosh not scum? No he hasn't, plus that doesn't mean he's not scum. I misread SlOosh, thought I had proof that he's town but I actually don't. Bleh, if I did carpet bombing would work. On June 25 2014 03:18 slOosh wrote: Artanis, I find it quite unlikely that both Lazermonkey and Koshi could both be scum. Do you agree? If so, who do you think is the second scum after Koshi? At first glance I don't see why not. Why do you think they can't? | ||
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On June 25 2014 04:16 slOosh wrote: A strong mutually antagonistic posturing against each other. You might be right. I think BH can be scum as well. Tunneled on two townies now. Also, some more stuff on Koshi: Start of D3: On June 22 2014 03:04 Koshi wrote: I disagree. Lazermonkey wasn't there during the lynch. Then suddenly right before lynch he comes in and votes on Bh while on D1 he was against a bunnies lynch but still voted her. Why consolidate D1 but not D2? He also didn't do anything D2 but tunnel town for doing nothing. I agree with Artanis that VE is town from mderg filter. I was a bit too focused on the mderg scumread into voting BH earlier. It would be pretty insane scumplay to buss each other with big cases into moving away from each other right before lynch. For me scummers are: Lazermonkey/Sloosh First time he mentions VE after that: No evaluation. Calls VE town, then suddenly asks Lazer why VE is not mafia. There were no cases in between on BH for Koshi to re-eval, nor did Koshi mention anything about re-evaluating VE. He was interacting with Lazer at the time, considered VE town then suddenly wonders why Lazer doesn't think VE is mafia. If there's anything in Koshi's fluffy post you want me to respond to I'll be happy to do so, but I don't see an added value for taking it apart piece by piece as a lot of it will be discussing non-alignment indicative things. The entire post is filled with nothing to push town forward and is full of emotional appeals that are frankly disgusting. If you can't handle the heat of someone calling you scum don't play the game. | ||
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On June 25 2014 04:38 Snickers wrote: How am I suppose to trust your reads, when you do not even understand a simple comment. Never said "he's not scum". I was showing you how dumb it was to think someone is scum because he is saying he is not scum. So you really only have one point. It's not hard to understand. Koshi's and VE's meta are different. What looks scummy to some for VE does not necessarily make him scum. Meta was a large part of why I defended VE; I knew this is how he plays town now. You're also clearly misunderstanding my point on Koshi there. My complaint is that all he keeps saying is "I'm not scum" and doesn't actually add anything which is not characteristic for his town play, where he actually shows that he's not scum by his actions. | ||
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On June 25 2014 04:42 Koshi wrote: I asked that because in Lazermonkey his filter he said the entirity of D1 that VE is scum. Then he said SloOsh was his top scumread and I wanted to bait him saying something strong about VE and therefore said "Why is VE not scum?". To bait a strong reaction. Not because I thought that VE was scum. That's how I scumhunt. That's a fair explanation. | ||
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On June 25 2014 05:02 Snickers wrote: Ok so why do people just straight up say how they scum hunt. That is the most confusing sentence and actual move I have seen yet. Yea I do not see people going for koshi tomorrow so stop trying to make fetch happen. Did you try to make mderg happen this much day one or YKZ happen day two. VisceraEyes (6): Snickers, Koshi, Release, Chezinu, YouKnowZhou, Lazermonkey Koshi (3): Artanis[Xp], VisceraEyes, slOosh - Unvotes (2): YouKnowZhou, Lazermonkey The only alternative wagon to VE yesterday, that had a majority at the original deadline and someone a lot of people think are scum being a fetch. I'm not sure what you're smoking but I need some of that. I also have no idea why you're trying to dissuade me from chasing after my scumspects. I didn't have scumread on mderg on D1, that's why I didn't try to get him lynched on D1. I didn't have a scumread on YKZ, so I didn't try to get him lynched D2. What are you talking about? | ||
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On June 25 2014 08:48 Release wrote: I said SloOsh is town, and I stand by that statement. Could you expand on why before the night is over? | ||
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Town Chezinu - The way the game has developed makes no sense for him to be mafia. There's also one comment in his filter that makes me near certain that he's town. Release - Has been pushing the game forward since the start, even though I didn't always agree with the means. Was on the right wagon for the right reasons on D2. Snickers - Flipped mafia joined a bandwagon on him at the last moment to save his own skin.[/b] slOosh - His D1 was really strong and he's asking questions and pushing the game forward rather than just his own reads. If I'm wrong on any of my town reads, I think it's slOosh though. ? Koshi - Koshi's alignment gives me headaches. In the first day he was active he actually asked a lot of questions and interacted. He's also tried engaging me when I scumread him, but the problem is that for a large part of D3 he played a very defensive game, just stating that he's town and appealing to emotion when faced with pressure. I'm torn between him and Lazermonkey. I believe that a town Koshi can show that he's town errygame. I'm not convinced he's town yet. BH - BH's play is a complete opposite to Koshi; He played awfully on D1, then really stepped it up after antagonizing everyone on N1. Built a case on mderg and pushed him, but the problem is that he's also tunneled two townies to death. Three dead townies (VE, 27nb, goodkarma) suspected BH. BH's also known for legendary scumplay and he tried the antagonistic route first. I can see him being scum here despite everything that's happened. Scum Lazermonkey Lazer's arguments have felt shallow for a while now. It feels like he's barely scratching the surface with his questions. He's been active yet he's never actually tried to push his targets in a meaningful manner and just ends up sheeping. His Koshi read is ill-constructed and he jumped to pressure me with slOosh, and backed off when he did as well. Lazer is my #1 candidate for scum atm. | ||
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