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On June 24 2014 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 05:15 YouKnowZhou wrote: I still have one tool left with which to lynch you, VE, should it come down to that. I will read on lazermo and you shall have my read. I do not anticipate being swayed to vote him over you, especially since this case appeared only when you were on mortal danger. In the end, though, I'll have my say and I'll do my best to be right. I'll remind you that one of us lynched mderg yesterday and the other is you. You say that, but I made a case on him and repeatedly stated that I was fine with him being lynched. I don't care how many times you say that I wasn't a factor in his lynch because my vote was on someone else, the facts and my posts speak for themselves.
You made a case on him, said you were fine with him being lynched, then you didn't push him or vote him, and voted for his counterwagon even after your stated reason for voting the counterwagon went away. I know I overuse the phrase, but that's pretty much classic scum play. You voted mderg day 1, then day 2 you didn't vote him and made noises about how he was scum, but didn't follow it up, voted someone else, and day 2 was the day that mattered.
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Say, it, VE. Say I'm too townie to be town. I want to read the words.
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Even with the not-vote-on-mderg-d2, I still don't think lazermo is a better lynch than VE. Although his observation about the mderg voting patterns is keen, it ALSO applies to him. VE ALSO voted mderg d1 and didn't vote mderg d2. Oh, he'll tell you about how he totally was ok with lynching mderg, but words are wind. He made lots of noise about how pleased he'd be with an mderg lynch, but imo this incriminates him, not exculpates him. He didn't give a reason for his non-vote of mderg d2 that makes sense.
In any case, he didn't write a real case on LM anyways other than "LM didn't explain his vote and LM, like me, didn't vote mderg when it mattered"
Let's off VE first.
Also VE, don't knock the classics. They're classics for a reason
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IMO, in a way Lazermo's saving grace is his utterly nonsensical vote on me: On June 21 2014 08:59 Lazermonkey wrote: ...
I Mderg is probably a crappy lynch. But there are still too few voters on YKZ... w/e.
##Unvote ##Vote: YKZ
There was NO CHANCE this vote would lynch me, based on when he made it. There's also no chance that this vote would possibly look good if he was scum. I could imagine town being like "w/e fuck it I'm voting who I want even if it makes no difference" but I can't imagine scum making such a boneheaded move. There's no chance to save mderg there, and if he's scum he knows mderg will flip scum. Why make a move like that? Sure, it's not like some amazing pro-town vote, especially since it's on me and not mderg, but look at the thought process here.
Imagine your'e Lazermo. You post a lot, you read the thread, but you're not particulariy "with it". You think YKZ is scum overt mderg, who is CLEARLY town. You try some shenannies onto like VE but that doesn't work out, and in the end you realize your vote will make no difference. Your townread, mderg, is getting lynched, and the counterwagon is your scumread, YKZ. It's too late. You can't do a thing. All you have left is a final act of defiance, futile defiance, but defiance nonetheless. You cast your worthless vote.
That makes sense to me. I see that.
Now, imagine you're scum Lazermo. Your scumbuddy mderg is getting lynched, and the counterwagon is a townie. Your vote is parked on VE, a nonconsequential wagon. You literally can't save mderg, and voting ykz will only make you look bad. Do you vote ykz? of course not! You're not a moron.
So, this vote makes Lazermo town.
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On June 24 2014 05:55 YouKnowZhou wrote:IMO, in a way Lazermo's saving grace is his utterly nonsensical vote on me: Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 08:59 Lazermonkey wrote: ...
I Mderg is probably a crappy lynch. But there are still too few voters on YKZ... w/e.
##Unvote ##Vote: YKZ There was NO CHANCE this vote would lynch me, based on when he made it. There's also no chance that this vote would possibly look good if he was scum. I could imagine town being like "w/e fuck it I'm voting who I want even if it makes no difference" but I can't imagine scum making such a boneheaded move. There's no chance to save mderg there, and if he's scum he knows mderg will flip scum. Why make a move like that? Sure, it's not like some amazing pro-town vote, especially since it's on me and not mderg, but look at the thought process here. Imagine your'e Lazermo. You post a lot, you read the thread, but you're not particulariy "with it". You think YKZ is scum overt mderg, who is CLEARLY town. You try some shenannies onto like VE but that doesn't work out, and in the end you realize your vote will make no difference. Your townread, mderg, is getting lynched, and the counterwagon is your scumread, YKZ. It's too late. You can't do a thing. All you have left is a final act of defiance, futile defiance, but defiance nonetheless. You cast your worthless vote. That makes sense to me. I see that. Now, imagine you're scum Lazermo. Your scumbuddy mderg is getting lynched, and the counterwagon is a townie. Your vote is parked on VE, a nonconsequential wagon. You literally can't save mderg, and voting ykz will only make you look bad. Do you vote ykz? of course not! You're not a moron. So, this vote makes Lazermo town.
Release, VisceraEyes, slOosh, Chezinu: you are currently voting Lazermo. I'd like you to tell me why my defense of Lazermo is wrong, or unvote him. If you've already addressed this, please link or quote where it has been addressed. Thanks!
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On June 24 2014 06:19 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 05:55 YouKnowZhou wrote:IMO, in a way Lazermo's saving grace is his utterly nonsensical vote on me: On June 21 2014 08:59 Lazermonkey wrote: ...
I Mderg is probably a crappy lynch. But there are still too few voters on YKZ... w/e.
##Unvote ##Vote: YKZ There was NO CHANCE this vote would lynch me, based on when he made it. There's also no chance that this vote would possibly look good if he was scum. I could imagine town being like "w/e fuck it I'm voting who I want even if it makes no difference" but I can't imagine scum making such a boneheaded move. There's no chance to save mderg there, and if he's scum he knows mderg will flip scum. Why make a move like that? Sure, it's not like some amazing pro-town vote, especially since it's on me and not mderg, but look at the thought process here. Imagine your'e Lazermo. You post a lot, you read the thread, but you're not particulariy "with it". You think YKZ is scum overt mderg, who is CLEARLY town. You try some shenannies onto like VE but that doesn't work out, and in the end you realize your vote will make no difference. Your townread, mderg, is getting lynched, and the counterwagon is your scumread, YKZ. It's too late. You can't do a thing. All you have left is a final act of defiance, futile defiance, but defiance nonetheless. You cast your worthless vote. That makes sense to me. I see that. Now, imagine you're scum Lazermo. Your scumbuddy mderg is getting lynched, and the counterwagon is a townie. Your vote is parked on VE, a nonconsequential wagon. You literally can't save mderg, and voting ykz will only make you look bad. Do you vote ykz? of course not! You're not a moron. So, this vote makes Lazermo town. Or you're scum Lazermonkey, your vote will still look terrible on VE, and you vote YKZ to do the "oh scum wouldn't do that" maneuver. Or you're scum Lazermonkey, the votes are flying around and it isn't too clear what the votecounts are, so you do it because you think you can save mderg. I mean, there's a lot more scenarios than the ones you display here.
There is no "oh scum wouldn't do that" manoeuvre though, that's just wifom. You're just saying "this thing that only makes sense for a townie to do, makes sense for scum to do because it makes sense for a townie to do", but I'm talking about mindset here. Look, it's plausible that LM decided to do something insane that provides no tangible benefit, lots of potential downside, and plenty of potential getting-lynched-tomorrow-side, as scum, on the off chance we'd have this convo. Typically though, that's not how scum rolls.
And regarding vote count confusion, here's where the last vote count was: (link). Mderg had 5 votes, and I had 3.
Mderg votes me, bringing me up to 4. Then LM votes me, bringing me up to 5, at the last second, and sincee mderg hit 5 first, mderg is lynched. Now, it's possible LM was a confused scum, but the only other vote that happened in the final 10 minutes of the game was Mderg's. If Mderg and LM were scum together, Mderg and LM would be in the QT and Mderg would say something like "ok, I just voted for YKZ. If we can get one more townie to vote YKZ, you can hammer and we can kill him."
LM as scum would be keenly aware of the votecount. It's still possible that he got confused anyways, or he thought another townie had voted when in fact they hadn't, but the final 10 mintues were not actually confusing at all. 10 minutes before the lynch, it's 5-3. Mderg votes me, making it 5-4, 9 minutes before the lynch, and nobody votes until the very deadline, where LM brings it to 5-5 and mderg is flipped.
I think both scenarios are possible, but not likely.
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I see some people are coming around! I'm pleased this is happening. We can do this.
On June 24 2014 06:08 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 06:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 24 2014 06:02 Release wrote:On June 24 2014 06:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:But at this stage, I feel that the final 2 remaining scum are almost certainly in VE/Lazer/BH. I know that unflipped associations are bad, but I feel that VE and BH cannot possibly be on the same team. (Does anyone else agree?). I completely disagree. I think both BH/VE are town or scum, with an outside chance of BH being scum and VE town. Both town: You think that they would ignore each other to such a great extent? Both scum: You think that they would create this bus on each other and stick with it for this long? Both town: What do you mean with ignoring each other? They've been posting a ton about each other. Both scum: Yeah. VE's done it before, see LI where VE and Toad had a bus that would put this one to shame. Town: Claiming that the other is lying when one responds other (BH on VE). Claiming that the other is lying/misleading/blatantly wrong when reasons are made (VE on BH). There's no real benefit to working on associative tells between unflipped players. How about we flip VE first, THEN speculate on it?
On June 24 2014 05:59 Release wrote: No. His vote doesn't matter. He could do whatever the fuck he wants and Mderg will still get lynched. I feel going any further than to say inconsequential vote ---> not alignment indicative is a stretch and probably WIFOMable.
Obviously he COULD vote anyone, and it wouldn't make a difference. This is an assumption that's built into my case. Pointing this fact out doesn't weakn my case.
Thanks for the response to my other, longer post. I'll get to that shortly.
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On June 24 2014 07:22 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 07:07 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 24 2014 06:19 slOosh wrote:On June 24 2014 05:55 YouKnowZhou wrote:IMO, in a way Lazermo's saving grace is his utterly nonsensical vote on me: On June 21 2014 08:59 Lazermonkey wrote: ...
I Mderg is probably a crappy lynch. But there are still too few voters on YKZ... w/e.
##Unvote ##Vote: YKZ There was NO CHANCE this vote would lynch me, based on when he made it. There's also no chance that this vote would possibly look good if he was scum. I could imagine town being like "w/e fuck it I'm voting who I want even if it makes no difference" but I can't imagine scum making such a boneheaded move. There's no chance to save mderg there, and if he's scum he knows mderg will flip scum. Why make a move like that? Sure, it's not like some amazing pro-town vote, especially since it's on me and not mderg, but look at the thought process here. Imagine your'e Lazermo. You post a lot, you read the thread, but you're not particulariy "with it". You think YKZ is scum overt mderg, who is CLEARLY town. You try some shenannies onto like VE but that doesn't work out, and in the end you realize your vote will make no difference. Your townread, mderg, is getting lynched, and the counterwagon is your scumread, YKZ. It's too late. You can't do a thing. All you have left is a final act of defiance, futile defiance, but defiance nonetheless. You cast your worthless vote. That makes sense to me. I see that. Now, imagine you're scum Lazermo. Your scumbuddy mderg is getting lynched, and the counterwagon is a townie. Your vote is parked on VE, a nonconsequential wagon. You literally can't save mderg, and voting ykz will only make you look bad. Do you vote ykz? of course not! You're not a moron. So, this vote makes Lazermo town. Or you're scum Lazermonkey, your vote will still look terrible on VE, and you vote YKZ to do the "oh scum wouldn't do that" maneuver. Or you're scum Lazermonkey, the votes are flying around and it isn't too clear what the votecounts are, so you do it because you think you can save mderg. I mean, there's a lot more scenarios than the ones you display here. There is no "oh scum wouldn't do that" manoeuvre though, that's just wifom. You're just saying "this thing that only makes sense for a townie to do, makes sense for scum to do because it makes sense for a townie to do", but I'm talking about mindset here. Look, it's plausible that LM decided to do something insane that provides no tangible benefit, lots of potential downside, and plenty of potential getting-lynched-tomorrow-side, as scum, on the off chance we'd have this convo. Typically though, that's not how scum rolls. And regarding vote count confusion, here's where the last vote count was: (link). Mderg had 5 votes, and I had 3. Mderg votes me, bringing me up to 4. Then LM votes me, bringing me up to 5, at the last second, and sincee mderg hit 5 first, mderg is lynched. Now, it's possible LM was a confused scum, but the only other vote that happened in the final 10 minutes of the game was Mderg's. If Mderg and LM were scum together, Mderg and LM would be in the QT and Mderg would say something like "ok, I just voted for YKZ. If we can get one more townie to vote YKZ, you can hammer and we can kill him." LM as scum would be keenly aware of the votecount. It's still possible that he got confused anyways, or he thought another townie had voted when in fact they hadn't, but the final 10 mintues were not actually confusing at all. 10 minutes before the lynch, it's 5-3. Mderg votes me, making it 5-4, 9 minutes before the lynch, and nobody votes until the very deadline, where LM brings it to 5-5 and mderg is flipped. I think both scenarios are possible, but not likely. On a clean reread sure things are clear, but at the time it may not have been, as evidenced by this post here. You wouldn't post this unless you were actually considering that you could die. Yeah, I considered it possible I would die. It's true, I suddenly hit 5 votes, and expected a potential 6th vote somehow. I only had moments and had to compress all the info I could into a post that I could squeeze out before the hosts flipped the lynch, potentially me. I chose my words wisely. It wasn't "lazermo is scum for the vote" or anything like that, it was a request to read his filter. And it's also a request that ended in "if I die now" because if I lived, you wouldn't need to. It's possible Lazermo is scum; my town read on him is not as rock solid as my scumread on VE. I certainly wanted to cover all my bases in the event I was lynched.
But remember, at the end of the day, I didn't know if a 6th vote was gonna suddenly show up from a scum player. If you assume LM is scum, then he WOULD know. He wouldn't be afraid. Remember, the ONLY vote since the 10-minute-out votecount was from mderg. If we assume LM is scum, he knows exactly what's going on. I didn't know if someone was gonna show up and hammer me, so I had to hedge. LM as scum would know there was no hammer coming from a teammate, and would not be confused about votes with mderg in the QT with him, mderg who is the only other person who has voted isnce the last votecount.
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On June 24 2014 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: BH, given all the information so far, could you lay your scumread on VE out for me one more time for old time's sake?
Absolutely. Do you want it in one paragraph or one page?
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On June 24 2014 07:36 Lazermonkey wrote: Btw I'm could still be persuade to maybe lynch Koshi.
VE still a good lynch though but since he decided to actually talk and give a bunch of reads when he pretty GGed if he was scum makes me a little bit worrysome.
Note that he just dropped some reads, he's not here developing them. The dude has an hour and a half, with which he could be bouncing ideas off of people and developing his reads. Instead he drops a post that looks a lot like a "i'm townie and gonna die" post, but what is he doing otherwise? Everything VE does to help town is only like directly in response to people lynching him.
On June 24 2014 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also, please share your opinion on Koshi. Sorry Kurumi ;_;
d'oh totally forgot. I'll do this as well.
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On June 24 2014 07:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 07:36 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 24 2014 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: BH, given all the information so far, could you lay your scumread on VE out for me one more time for old time's sake? Absolutely. Do you want it in one paragraph or one page? A short paragraph per point that you think proves that he's scum would be nice. Not the fluff, just the strong arguments.
Awww yisss only the strong stuff
OK so here's where I'm at on VE. I'll say the main points then expound on each.
VE's anger and unanger align very well with not engaging the town, and strike me as fake. Remember, during the time when I was trying to get in a last set of reads (sorta) before getting lynched, when I was chipping in an we were having real discussion? Suddenly, VE is "angry" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/458796-normal-mini-mafia-lvi?page=33#651 and afks until right before the deadline.
VE was AFK during the crucial period of the D2 lynch, apparently due to anger. VE now claims he was just "poking in" to confirm that he was on the right wagon, but he had been in the thread half an hour earlier when I made the post, and a little over an hour before that to talk about other things. VE was in the thread.
VE voted mderg D1, but didn't vote Mderg D2. His reasons for not voting Mderg are nebulous. He talks about sloosh looking good, and leaves out the fact that I have had to prod him multiple times over everything, doesn't address the fact that his reasoning was that he liked Sloosh and Release on my wagon, and disliked snickers and me on mderg: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/458796-normal-mini-mafia-lvi?page=37#721 Remember, later on, when VE is in the thread, Release, one of the two guys he likes, is on mderg, and Snickers, one of the guys he doesn't like, is on me. So, he changes his explantion to "sloosh was my rock", which is NOT the explanation he was using during the lynch (again, here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/458796-normal-mini-mafia-lvi?page=37#721). It is, however, more convenient, just like VE's fake anger (until he got called out for it and realized I was being super reasonable), or VE's afking right after I start engaging my thread, up until riight before the deadline.
VE is low energy and not engaging the thread except as a response to people trying to lynch him. This is more general but it ties in with "VE soft pushing mderg". VE doesn't seem to have the courage of his convictions. I don't see him making a hard push on mderg (yes, he wrote a case, but with what followup? And then D2 he's not even on the guy...) Even when he's getting lynched, instead of engaging with the thread, VE just drops a few reads that are already in his filter and says "everything BH says is lies". I've already called this out of course.
During D3, VE has waffled a lot on his reads on me and sloosh, and mostly just trying to see who is easiest to lynch. VE was unusually directionless today. I got a pass, Sloosh was his rock, no, wait, sloosh is scummy, never mind, BH gets no pass, actually let's lynch LM. Why? Because of a reason that applies to VE also, but also LM voted for VE so VE doesn't like that. There's no attempt to provide clarity or even suss out the truth, just figure out who beisdes him he can get lynched today.
VE tries to shut down town discussion. I know I can be a jerk, but VE has repeatedly (jokingly, in a fit of anger, w/e-- I think it's calculated) tried to shut down town discussions. Whether it's me on my deathbed trying to leave reads, or (snicks I think) trying to write big posts at night. Oh yes, going back on it, VE has all kinds of explanations. He's joking, it was sarcastic, he was just "poking in the thread". But whatever explanation he has, he's trying to stop players who are scummy looking from explaining themselves, writing cases, or giving reads. His provocation of me was particularly hilarious. If I weren't on top of my game this game, I probably would have taken the bait.
yeah that's about it I think, maybe I left something out but I think I got it.
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On June 24 2014 08:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 08:18 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 24 2014 08:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 24 2014 08:13 Koshi wrote: I gave this thread everything. I am in bed hopefully sleeping. pls Artanis pls Emotional appeal does not help. I still believe in a mass exodus onto Koshi. Is there anyone that has a townread on him that isn't based on something factually wrong (his townplay being bad)? I wouldn't be super sad about Koshi dying but as it seems like VE is just much better to lynch today. Look at VEs filter this last hour. Its so non-commital. Exactly what you expect from dying scum. Maybe your average scum, not VE scum. VE scum either actually fights the lynch or just leaves the thread. VE town rubs it in everyone's face that he's the wrong lynch. Weak insubstantiated meta claim of reproducible town behavior trumped by actual case, imo.
Koshi!
So, I've made some noises about Koshi as a potential 3rd tier scumread and have been asked to clarify that read. I know I defended him pretty strongly during D2 on policy grounds, and have basically ignored him today, D3, in my attempts to lynch VE. This post rectifies the situation.
First, I think we can check Koshi's D1 27nb vote. He was casting a vote cause he just replaced in and D1 was about to end.
He calls out VE for lack of a structured case on mderg, which I like (link). It shows thread-reading. He has questions for snickers and release, and calls them scum, based on "scum never votes together" which is not great logic. He discusses Mderg, waits for big plays, then sits around.
I would say that his lack of a vote on me at the end of D2 is not relevant. It does allow is to reasonably rule out an LM-Koshi scumtea. If they were both scum together, they could have hammered me to save mderg. Alternatively, they would have not voted me at all if that was too risky. The "one votes, the other does not, letting mderg die" thing is pretty silly. In fact, Since Koshi was on mderg, after the swap from mderg, Koshi could have voted me and hammered me. It would have made a ginormous amount of sense but he could have, and he didn't.
Overall, Koshi's play hasn't been big, but acceptable. The part that for me looks like a contrived bus is his vote for VE. He makes the post here:
On June 23 2014 22:05 Koshi wrote: I actually like this BH case again. The only thing I don't like is the vigi part.
BH is like 99% town for me. I don't even understand why VE/Sloosh/Release are voting for him or calling him scum. If he is alive in lylo I would reconsider but I have never seen BH play this normal. I like this normal play. Sheeping BH pretty good.
##unvote ##vote: VE
Last 2 scums could be VE/Lazermonkey. SloOsh still very possible as well. But he likes me so I like him. I am friendly like that.
Chezinu, your play is not exciting me at all. Add more Chezazzle to it.
After scumreading LM, who is the big counterwagon, he is convinced by my case on VE. He also says he doesn't understand why VE is voting me (though if VE is scum, it's very obvious why VE would vote me). He doesn't explain himself thoroughly and hasn't made many scumreads on VE. I'm glad he's voting VE, but then he makes a really really big post after voting VE about how he wants to lynch LM (link) and then he doesn't vote LM.
Imo, whatever waferlike reasons I had before for thinking Koshi scum, this really nails it for me. Why is he voting VE? He says he's convinced by the non-vigi proportion of my case, but he's not arguing for a VE lynch in the thread, he's arguing for an LM lynch, and his vote is still on VE even as LM is the counterwagon. Then he's like "well they could both be scum together". This is like an infinitely less skillfull version of what VE was doing D2.
Okay, so I started this post about how we shouldn't lynch Koshi today but actually I'd be okay with it. If our options are LM vs Koshi, I'm voting Koshi. However, since we're lynching VE, let's lynch VE.
Koshi tomorrow.
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Could a homie get an up to date vote count in the house
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Well, with wagons between VE and Koshi, and with VE in the considerable lead, this situation is highly acceptable. If Sloosh or Artanis wants to to elaborate on my reads on VE or Koshi, I'm glad to.
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On June 24 2014 08:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So can we lynch Koshi for wanting to lynch Lazer then voting VE and generally being useless? BH, can you imagine a scenario in which VE has simply played poorly rather than being scummy? His anger struck you as fake, but could be a genuine response given your antagonistic beginnings and the frustration erupting from that. Checking in from your phone is possible, I do it sometimes too and you can not have the time to really interact but still want to be there. I think your point regarding the voting of mderg holds water and I would like to hear VE respond to it. VE being low energy is common nowadays, the waffling to see who is easiest to lynch is a subjective statement. He could also simply be evaluating his reads. The town discussion point is also up for debate. Anti town does not equal scum.
I get what you're saying. If you're asking if I'm 100% sure that VE is scum, the answer is no. I'm fairly certain he's scum, I think that I'd be pretty surprised if he flips town in half an hour. That being said, Koshi is pretty bad to, and if by some weird happenstance he flips today, I would be surprised if he flips town-- not as surprised, but surprised. Whichever one of these dudes dies I'm lynching the other one tomorrow, and I think that's probably our scumteam. By D4 we can probably expect some blue claims which will close this out pretty easily if I'm wrong on Koshi.
So, VE could be faking anger and AFKness that happens to coincide with the least useful way to be angry and afk, and the best way to avoid town discourse. I find it unlikely given that he didn't erupt at my antagonism, but after it was gone and I was being friendly to the thread, and that it died down when it became clear that avoiding me made him look bad. It's possible, though. I think most players on TL Mafia make the mistake of accepting anger and emotions as real. I see why his non-intellectual posts have cast doubt. I think that his decision to not respond, given that his response ended up being like 1 line anyways, was not motivated by phone posting. It was motivated by him saying "this is easier if I just act mad".
The low energy thing is a smaller point in the scheme of things. I admit it's possible VE is just having slow games. I would be much more surprised if he was having "be intentionally unhelpful to people" games though, so the anti-town stuff I think is solid.
In a case so big, not every point is gonna be picture perfect. But there it is.
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Oh, come on. A guy can't just martyr a bunch and be like "hue hue you guys will look silly when I flip town" and have that be a towntell! What kind of stinking meta is this? Look, VE has, and listen to me about this, basically objectively played scummy about every major lynch in this game. He has faked anger, he has faked being afk, he has even posted a useless "Death reads" post that contains no new info and martyred for the past half hour. There's no way that this could possibly be a town VE. If he flips town I will PROVERBIALLY eat my hat.
I am very, very glad that we have Koshi as a counterwagon; he at least is likely to flip scum. But come on, guys, look at VE. He's so much scummier. omg.
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On June 24 2014 08:51 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 08:50 slOosh wrote:On June 24 2014 08:47 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 24 2014 08:42 slOosh wrote:On June 24 2014 07:57 Lazermonkey wrote: Koshi is stepping up his posting and VE is posting exactly what you would expect from a scum. Yhea, I'm feeling good about this lynch now.
Could you point out where? Really strange that you don't want to lynch Koshi all of a sudden. He actually started to push his scum reads for the first time in the game. That doesn't mean that he is posting well. It just means he posts less bad. Could you please point out which posts he is pushing scum reads? Like, quote them and stuffs? Its 10 minutes untill lynch. No, I'm not going to post it now. just link them or quote them, and do it before the flip.
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On June 24 2014 08:53 slOosh wrote: You said you were gonna push whoever survives tomorrow anyways, why so antsy?
party cause Ve is more likely to flip scum
but... also cause I want ve DEAD. I want him to die, to get lynched at my hands. I want this lynch to go my way. I want to be able to mockingly say "who's the town leader now? looks you failed on both qualifications" after he flips
I want him to be SAD.
On June 24 2014 08:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 08:51 YouKnowZhou wrote: Oh, come on. A guy can't just martyr a bunch and be like "hue hue you guys will look silly when I flip town" and have that be a towntell! What kind of stinking meta is this? Look, VE has, and listen to me about this, basically objectively played scummy about every major lynch in this game. He has faked anger, he has faked being afk, he has even posted a useless "Death reads" post that contains no new info and martyred for the past half hour. There's no way that this could possibly be a town VE. If he flips town I will PROVERBIALLY eat my hat.
I am very, very glad that we have Koshi as a counterwagon; he at least is likely to flip scum. But come on, guys, look at VE. He's so much scummier. omg. It doesn't matter if you think it's stinking meta, it's accurate. Since when do you care about the way in which someone gives off towntells? It's either accurate or it isn't, and I'm pretty sure it's accurate. The faking anger/afk thing is all projection and something you can't be certain of.
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On June 24 2014 08:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I think those posts actually make Koshi a lot scummier than he was before though. That second post especially as he ends up making a case on Lazer but never votes him. I agree with Artanis. The entire source for my scumread on Koshi is http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/458796-normal-mini-mafia-lvi?page=54#1067
Otherwise he wouldn't be my 2nd choice for lynch today
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On June 24 2014 08:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 08:57 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 24 2014 08:53 slOosh wrote: You said you were gonna push whoever survives tomorrow anyways, why so antsy? party cause Ve is more likely to flip scum but... also cause I want ve DEAD. I want him to die, to get lynched at my hands. I want this lynch to go my way. I want to be able to mockingly say "who's the town leader now? looks you failed on both qualifications" after he flips I want him to be SAD. On June 24 2014 08:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 24 2014 08:51 YouKnowZhou wrote: Oh, come on. A guy can't just martyr a bunch and be like "hue hue you guys will look silly when I flip town" and have that be a towntell! What kind of stinking meta is this? Look, VE has, and listen to me about this, basically objectively played scummy about every major lynch in this game. He has faked anger, he has faked being afk, he has even posted a useless "Death reads" post that contains no new info and martyred for the past half hour. There's no way that this could possibly be a town VE. If he flips town I will PROVERBIALLY eat my hat.
I am very, very glad that we have Koshi as a counterwagon; he at least is likely to flip scum. But come on, guys, look at VE. He's so much scummier. omg. It doesn't matter if you think it's stinking meta, it's accurate. Since when do you care about the way in which someone gives off towntells? It's either accurate or it isn't, and I'm pretty sure it's accurate. The faking anger/afk thing is all projection and something you can't be certain of. [citation needed] 3 minutes left and I mentioned the game names already. Hydra Mini Mafia for scum VE getting caught, Shadow Mini Mafia for Town VE martyring.
Oh, I must have missed it. Well, eminently fakeable. I'm staying on VE, he'll flip, and I'll finally have peace. It will be glorious, oh yes.
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