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PS: I'll lol if it is snickers and BH.
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On June 25 2014 08:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Reads
Town
Chezinu - The way the game has developed makes no sense for him to be mafia. There's also one comment in his filter that makes me near certain that he's town.
Release - Has been pushing the game forward since the start, even though I didn't always agree with the means. Was on the right wagon for the right reasons on D2.
Snickers - Flipped mafia joined a bandwagon on him at the last moment to save his own skin.
slOosh - His D1 was really strong and he's asking questions and pushing the game forward rather than just his own reads. If I'm wrong on any of my town reads, I think it's slOosh though.
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Koshi - Koshi's alignment gives me headaches. In the first day he was active he actually asked a lot of questions and interacted. He's also tried engaging me when I scumread him, but the problem is that for a large part of D3 he played a very defensive game, just stating that he's town and appealing to emotion when faced with pressure. I'm torn between him and Lazermonkey. I believe that a town Koshi can show that he's town errygame. I'm not convinced he's town yet.
BH - BH's play is a complete opposite to Koshi; He played awfully on D1, then really stepped it up after antagonizing everyone on N1. Built a case on mderg and pushed him, but the problem is that he's also tunneled two townies to death. Three dead townies (VE, 27nb, goodkarma) suspected BH. BH's also known for legendary scumplay and he tried the antagonistic route first. I can see him being scum here despite everything that's happened.
Scum
Lazermonkey
Lazer's arguments have felt shallow for a while now. It feels like he's barely scratching the surface with his questions. He's been active yet he's never actually tried to push his targets in a meaningful manner and just ends up sheeping. His Koshi read is ill-constructed and he jumped to pressure me with slOosh, and backed off when he did as well. Lazer is my #1 candidate for scum atm. [/b]
On June 22 2014 10:21 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 10:17 Chezinu wrote:On June 22 2014 10:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 22 2014 10:11 Chezinu wrote:On June 22 2014 10:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
List of people we're not lynching today:
Artanis
Snickers
VisceraEyes
Release
Probably not lynching slOosh or Chez either, so that leaves BH, Lazer and Koshi. Those three candidates are the people I want to focus on, though slOosh and Chez are fair game too if you have a good case. Why would you even consider lynching a confirmed town? Chez ur on the table today. Unless you can coherently tell me why you're suspicious of...whoever, then I'd consider lynching you today. I thought you loved me... On June 22 2014 10:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 22 2014 10:08 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 22 2014 10:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Woop woop.
From those two I prefer BH. I think BH's scum capabilities are far stronger than slOosh and I think slOosh has played a good game on D1 and N2. I tend to agree, though I can't just let go of the fact that he went absent during a scum lynch. What do you make of my observation right at the outset of N2, I'll quote to refresh ur memory. On June 21 2014 23:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
So I have been thinking about it lying in bed. If GK was killed for being so close to the truth where mderg is concerned, then I think a mafia BH would probably follow up the GK kill with a push on VE to ensure that mderg isn't targeted. A GK kill doesn't make sense followed up with a hard mderg push from a mafiaBH perspective I think. GK was getting suspicious of me before he was killed, so it makes sense from my perspective.
BH this means I'm giving you a pass tomorrow. I don't mean to offend, but PLEASE don't waste 90% of it blathering on about how confirmed town you are and how godly you are and shit. That's annoying and doesn't help anyone find mafia, not even you. I believe I need to refresh your memory. On June 22 2014 02:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Actually VE, I went through goodkarma's filter and he's not really suspecting mderg in my opinion. There were other people that he definitely pushed harder like BH and Release. Where do you get it from that he died because he was close to finding out mderg? On June 22 2014 10:11 Chezinu wrote:On June 22 2014 10:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
List of people we're not lynching today:
Artanis
Snickers
VisceraEyes
Release
Probably not lynching slOosh or Chez either, so that leaves BH, Lazer and Koshi. Those three candidates are the people I want to focus on, though slOosh and Chez are fair game too if you have a good case. Why would you even consider lynching a confirmed town? I'm not sure why you're confirmed town. Cause they said so.. On June 21 2014 03:01 Chezinu wrote:
I have looked at everyone posts and came to a conclusion.
People who think Chezinu is town:
2. VisceraEyes
3. YouKnowZhou
5. Snickers
7. Lazermonkey
8. Release
9. mderg
10. Artanis[Xp]
11. Koshi
12. slOosh
Chezinu is town
The mafia are never wrong when it comes to knowing who is town. They are too scared to risk stating that I am Mafia. So, I just your untypical lunatic. It's Great to be Confirmed Town! Oh and one more think Art... VE would have died. So obv I'm town. oh wait, are you saying you protects VE last night? Trolololololo
Hey guys... I have more flavor than Vanilla as some of you have predicted.
I'm SOO EXCITED!!!!
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On June 25 2014 11:03 Snickers wrote:
I would not be surprised if mafia killed NameDropper just because one of the persons he had as town is mafia.
Also, somebody mentioned him saving someone. There could be more than one medic i think for town.
Also Lazer your wifom is terrible. I already explained why.
I think there could be a MAFIA MEDIC!! yeah, it's like I understand now.
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OK, So this is a not so normal game. We have a busy paramedic, a regular medic, and a mafia medic. This is a game for Legendary. Cause, You Know - it has self protects.
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On June 25 2014 11:14 Snickers wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 06:28 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 24 2014 06:23 Snickers wrote:
I thought my reads we're bad a he he.
Artanis did u completely forget about day one lol.
So far in this game my reads are better than your reads.
Like seriously go through koshi filter and explain why scum would play that.
And all jokes aside. Does Lazermonkey really think he did not vote mderg day one. A little lost with my quick reading . LOL. I really didn't remember that. Well this makes me look much better, doesn't it? : D Yea so here is me delivering on YKZ's request. Also how have you guys played all these mafia games but do not realize there could be two medics in this game. So we have no clue if art saved someone. And yea I am most likely going to vote Lazer. If Lazer flips town, well that would leave me like koshi was left earlier.
I read that this was a Normal game so I didn't read the roles... Just learned that this isn't a normal game.
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On June 18 2014 05:38 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 04:24 Lazermonkey wrote:Mderg is just... Look through this part of his first post for example. On June 17 2014 09:11 mderg wrote:SNIP The whole thing with YKZ and bunnies is really strange. It feels like they´re both wrong, bunnies more so thab YKZ, though. I don´t think bunnies case was well substantiated at all, scumslips just almost never happen in forum mafia. I also don´t think the Kenpachi rule is as foolproof as YKZ said. It has some solid reasoning behind it but claiming that it always works seems stupid. They´ve kinda been repeating themselves quite often, so there´s not that much to get from this. I think YKZ is town because of the follow up on bunnies On June 16 2014 12:30 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 12:16 slOosh wrote:
Alright, let's cut it out with the "Kenpachi Rule" and associated nomenclature. It isn't immediately clear to everyone and is muddling up the discussion.
Let's get this straight.
Bunnies, you think YKZ is scum because of the phrase "limited information"? His post paraphrased as "I'm not listening to you because you are town"?
YKZ, you think bunnies is scum for her initial call out of your post "I'm vt"?
Please try to be a bit more clear with your posts please. Look at all the scummy stuff I've posted since my original post. Any real townie would be all over me for things like "I'm allowed to lie" and my blanatant lying etc but all YKZ is on is my OG post because he is scum. Any real townie would be all up on dis, think about it I don´t think scum would so blatantly say that he acted scummy and someone should have pointed it out. This feels like a trap made by town. He´s also claimed vt early on which I find weird but unlikely to be scum play. So I think out of bunnies and YKZ only bunnies can really be scum. It certainly is possible. Especially the heavy focus on YKZ´s "scumslip" seems suspicious. Not calling out YKZ´s scummy posts is not really alignment indicative. Not immediately noticing things that might look scummy to some can happen as both alignments. I also dislike how she agrees with Artanis that Release is scummy but doesn´t think he´s scum because she wants to be right about YKZ and her association read. On June 17 2014 01:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 16 2014 22:45 goodkarma wrote:On June 16 2014 22:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 16 2014 17:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I find this discussion about YKZ/27nb and its origins really boring and I can't believe we've written so much about such bullshit. Biggest perpetrator of it is Release. He's just rehashed everything that's already said but made it more wordy.
##Vote Release I kinda like this vote. And I kinda like Artanis' face. Release sounds a lot like he's trying to justify feeling the way he does rather than explaining honestly WHY he feels the way he does. Does anyone else think so? I agree Release is looking scummy, but I wouldn't use that exact wording. He seems heavily invested in his case, but is only leaning towards ninja's side of this debate. These two statements especially didn't sit right with me from Release's post on 21:10 15 June 2014: "As the situation between 27bunnies and YKZ currently stands, I am leaning on the side of 27bunnies." And yet he ends this same post: "I think 27bunnie has the right idea, but has not manifested clearly (or in enough detail) what needs to be said to properly incriminate YKZ." Release doesn't seem that interested in what may develop from YKZ. He already has the verdict in mind... This is a HUGE inconsistency from how he starts his post. You have a point here I really like. Which makes me wonder if scum defending a town here. He's not even considering in what YKZ could or could not do. But then if that's the case, and Release is scum, then YKZ is town, and I don't like that. I really really want to be right that YKZ is scum. SNIP ##vote 27ninjabunnies So his logic is something like this: 1. Since YKZ are battling each other they cannot both be scum. 2. And YKZ is probably town (for some really wierd reasoning). 3. Its possible that Bunnies is scum, points out several stuff that Bunnies that is alignment unindicative. 4. Dislikes that Bunnies says that Release is scummy but doesn't want him to be scum. This is like the only part that makes sense. Then he proceeds to vote him. This vote is so out of place that I cannot even describe it with words. Pointing out several things that he even himself says isn't alignment indicative is just unnecessary. Yes, he said he disliked one of Bunnies posts. But he also said that he disliked Snickers and Release posting. Why vote Bunnies? Because it was the current wagon? This shit just seem to careless to be scum. You don't see scum posting posts liek this because that's all scum care about, looking good. I'm calling bad town here. ##Unvote My logic was different. I never said that they cannot both be scum. I also didn´t point out several things out that were alignment unindicative, it was one point made by YKZ that I don´t think is actually scummy. The things I didn´t like about her were the focus on the "scumslip" by YKZ, the thing about Release and townreading Artanis. Clearly more things that I think are scummy than things not alignment indicative. The thing(s) I pointed out that weren´t alignment indicative were points brought up by YKZ which I didn´t really agree with. That´s the reason for bringing it up. I think you´re "defending" me for the wrong reasons. Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 02:29 Snickers wrote:On June 17 2014 09:11 mderg wrote:I almost forgot about this due to the world cup  The whole thing with YKZ and bunnies is really strange. It feels like they´re both wrong, bunnies more so thab YKZ, though. I don´t think bunnies case was well substantiated at all, scumslips just almost never happen in forum mafia. I also don´t think the Kenpachi rule is as foolproof as YKZ said. It has some solid reasoning behind it but claiming that it always works seems stupid. They´ve kinda been repeating themselves quite often, so there´s not that much to get from this. I think YKZ is town because of the follow up on bunnies On June 16 2014 12:30 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 12:16 slOosh wrote:
Alright, let's cut it out with the "Kenpachi Rule" and associated nomenclature. It isn't immediately clear to everyone and is muddling up the discussion.
Let's get this straight.
Bunnies, you think YKZ is scum because of the phrase "limited information"? His post paraphrased as "I'm not listening to you because you are town"?
YKZ, you think bunnies is scum for her initial call out of your post "I'm vt"?
Please try to be a bit more clear with your posts please. Look at all the scummy stuff I've posted since my original post. Any real townie would be all over me for things like "I'm allowed to lie" and my blanatant lying etc but all YKZ is on is my OG post because he is scum. Any real townie would be all up on dis, think about it I don´t think scum would so blatantly say that he acted scummy and someone should have pointed it out. This feels like a trap made by town. He´s also claimed vt early on which I find weird but unlikely to be scum play. So I think out of bunnies and YKZ only bunnies can really be scum. It certainly is possible. Especially the heavy focus on YKZ´s "scumslip" seems suspicious. Not calling out YKZ´s scummy posts is not really alignment indicative. Not immediately noticing things that might look scummy to some can happen as both alignments. I also dislike how she agrees with Artanis that Release is scummy but doesn´t think he´s scum because she wants to be right about YKZ and her association read. On June 17 2014 01:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 16 2014 22:45 goodkarma wrote:On June 16 2014 22:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 16 2014 17:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I find this discussion about YKZ/27nb and its origins really boring and I can't believe we've written so much about such bullshit. Biggest perpetrator of it is Release. He's just rehashed everything that's already said but made it more wordy.
##Vote Release I kinda like this vote. And I kinda like Artanis' face. Release sounds a lot like he's trying to justify feeling the way he does rather than explaining honestly WHY he feels the way he does. Does anyone else think so? I agree Release is looking scummy, but I wouldn't use that exact wording. He seems heavily invested in his case, but is only leaning towards ninja's side of this debate. These two statements especially didn't sit right with me from Release's post on 21:10 15 June 2014: " As the situation between 27bunnies and YKZ currently stands, I am leaning on the side of 27bunnies."
And yet he ends this same post: "I think 27bunnie has the right idea, but has not manifested clearly (or in enough detail) what needs to be said to properly incriminate YKZ." Release doesn't seem that interested in what may develop from YKZ. He already has the verdict in mind... This is a HUGE inconsistency from how he starts his post. You have a point here I really like. Which makes me wonder if scum defending a town here. He's not even considering in what YKZ could or could not do. But then if that's the case, and Release is scum, then YKZ is town, and I don't like that. I really really want to be right that YKZ is scum. It also feels like townreading Artanis is some kind of "You´re scumreading me, so I´ll townread you". I think Snickers has been posting strangely. As if he wanted to play the newbie card without stating that he´s new. His general thought process doesn´t show a scum mindset, though. I didn´t really like where he talked about associations between bunnies and VKZ. IMO pre-flip associations are bad most of the time. Release had a not so perfect entrance to this thread. At first glance his case on YKZ seemed good but it basically comes down to the few points bunnies has made on YKZ and that he stuck to the Kenpachi rule for so long. That´s not very much considering the length of his posts. What kinda speaks in his favor is how suddenly several people jumped on him after Artanis made his case on him. Still kinda neutral on him, maybe a bit scummy. I´m having a townread on sloosh right now. Mainly because his posting feels different from Detention where we were scum together. He´s asking questions and seems to be trying to get behind the reasons from the others. I think Artanis´case on Release made sense but slooshs case on him also made sense even though it´s not that strong. The fact that he almost completely ignored the back and forth between YKZ and bunnies is slightly suspicious. But it´s true that the back and forth was repetitive and I don´t think there was anything that´s really scummy in it. I agree with his reason for scumreading bunnies, it´s something I´m also sumreading her for. Slight townread on him. Not much on the others, yet. I´ll hopefully post more tomorrow.##vote 27ninjabunnies Yea it seems really strange that you are only leaning towards somebody and you vote for them. Saying that you are not 100% sure you will return to the game to reevaluate the situation. It would be terrible for a town to vote for someone with only about half the information we have. Then say he may not change it until the lynch. So you were leaning towards bunnies but felt she was scum enough that if you did not make it to a computer she could be lynched because of this vote. ##Unvote
##Vote mdergI still think Release is scum but I am more confident that mderg is at this time. Also we have to consolidate our posts and i think it would be easier for people to see this slip. Also more people on mderg atm than release. I was pretty heavily leaning scum on bunnies, so voting her seems logical, doesn´t it? I was also pretty sure that I´d be here today, just not how much time I could invest. Your reasoning that she could be lynched because of this one vote is flawed. Even in the case that I could not get to a computer today placing the vote would have been the correct choice. Taking the risk that bunnies is potentially mislynched when I think she´s more likely scum than town is better than risk being modkilled. Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 02:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 18 2014 02:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 18 2014 01:34 mderg wrote:
I generally don´t ask that many direct questions, I rather point things out that I find strange and most of the time people respond to these things. So it should have about the same effect as asking questions. Just scrolled through your Cell Mini (Town) and Detention (Mafia) games. You actually asked a lot more questions as mafia. Interesting. Carry on. EBWOP What do you take from this, though? Also, what the hell is it with Chezinu? He doesn´t even try to make sense.
Breaks Chezinu Rule, Thanks Sloosh for the find.
On June 21 2014 07:27 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 07:26 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 21 2014 07:26 Chezinu wrote:On June 21 2014 07:22 YouKnowZhou wrote:Chezinu, I have a question for you about Snickers. What do you think of the most recent case posted against him by Release, and what do you think about Snickers explicitly leaving the thread and declining to contribute for the rest of the day? Also, I'm having trouble finding a mention of my case on mderg in your filter. Can you point me towwards it, or offer some input? On June 21 2014 07:08 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 21 2014 06:04 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 21 2014 06:02 Lazermonkey wrote:
Please look at Koshi's filter and look ät all thé scum hunting he has done... Owait.
Vote him. As a matter of policy, I do not lynch players right after they replace in. I leave them alone for a full cycle. I find this typically works pretty well; people need time to get their shit together usually. Its been a full cycle now. Not even kidding. I know, but I consider him to have replaced in at the 27nb lynch. He didn't really have time to formulate reads or do anything D1. After D2 ends, then he's fair game, but that's just the policy I roll with. It works. It could entirely be true that Koshi is scum, but on the whole it makes sense to not lynch people for a full cycle after they get in, and that doesn't mean "not lynch him until 3 hours before the end of the day, then lynch him" because that's BSey. The point is, the guy gets a free pass on a lynch for one day. I understand you disagree, but don't worry, Koshi isn't getting lynched today anyways. Once I'm gone, who will oppose you? Why would I read cases? Who do you think I am? super duper chezinu tier tldr mderg's first post is a bunch of relevant townreads. he votes a townread in that post, 27nb. what do you think of mderg mderg is bad
On June 17 2014 06:43 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 06:34 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 17 2014 06:06 Chezinu wrote:On June 17 2014 06:04 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 17 2014 05:59 Chezinu wrote:On June 17 2014 05:58 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Chez, Artanis, care to share your thoughts? I thought of a bunch of bunnies getting shotgunned by the sheriff when sleeping through your conversations. Go ahead if one must. Probably clear up a lot of information for town. In my dreams! As you are totally not getting the picture here, let me draw you the picture of my dream: **CENSORED -- DISTURBING IMAGES -- CENSORED** Not sure if you want me dead, or want to have sex with me. Both are quite disturbing images. So yeah, not getting the picture here. Well, Chezinu is Chezinu. But I think he wants to kill you.
On June 19 2014 04:39 Lazermonkey wrote:
If I understand it correctly, this is how Chezinu always plays. How the fuck are we suposed to get a decent read of him if the only thing he ever posts is riddles and votes? Him voting for Bunnies makes him look quite bad.
On June 19 2014 06:20 Lazermonkey wrote:
Well, going to bed now.
I'm probably going to be less active the comming 2-3 days. But for now
VE and Koshi are my top scum reads. I'm giving Koshi a minor benefit of the doubt because he entered the game yesterday.
I think Snickers is a confused townie. I could be wrong about this but since I feel that there is a certain possibility that he will get lynched tomorrow and I urge everyone to question what his motives really are.
Mderg I'm uncertain on. Leaning confused town here as well.
Slightly suspicious of YKZ.
Slightly suspicious of Chezinu.
Artanis and goodkarma seems quite townie.
SlOosh and Release I am pretty certain are town.
On June 25 2014 09:17 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 09:15 YouKnowZhou wrote:
And this despite the fact the chez us obviously the cop I would actually make alot of sense that he saved Chez. He has him highest on his town reads which doesn't make alot of sense otherwise...
On June 21 2014 03:12 Chezinu wrote:ok, lazermonkey is scum. I did something!
On June 24 2014 05:15 Koshi wrote:How hard can this be. There are still 5 people in the running for scum. BH/Release/Artanis look town. Or shot not be considered for the mderg lynch today. Artanis is a little fucker but who cares. Snickers/VE/Lazermonkey/Chezinu/SloOsh are left. Snickers can be excused due to mderg filter. Very unlikely that he is scum with mderg. Not a good lynch. Chezinu is Chezinu and was on mderg. I guess we have a doc and not a cop so that's unfortunate but even then I wouldn't lynch Chezinu because he isn't harmful to town in any way. He isn't pushing an agenda he is just being around. VE is away on the wrong moments, pushes scum but then doesn't vote scum, can't be tied to anybody in case he flips scum because his reads are all neutral, and is currently just showing activity. Lazermonkey is just trying to get me lynched. Even when his top scumreads were SloOsh and VE he was pushing me the hardest. Look at D2, he just came in to push me while IGNORING the mderg/BH wagons. I am pretty sure that scumtactics were to get BH lynched (who was main candidate back then) and then myself. Show nested quote +On June 20 2014 22:56 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 20 2014 19:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
BH, I'm not a newbie player. I know that similarities does not necessarily mean the same alignment, but previous games can give you insights into their mind. Particularly a scum qt can be enlightening. It told me mderg is someone that thinks before he posts as scum, which is a point against him being scum this game.
I'm not up for a mderg lynch at this point in time. I am up for a Koshi lynch though.
##Unvote
##Vote Koshi This is also a good point brought up. Everyone that is voting mderg should explain why they vote him very very clearly and why the reason you vote him makes him scum. Explain how that action isn't likely to have come out of a newbie town player also. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 06:02 Lazermonkey wrote:
Please look at Koshi's filter and look ät all thé scum hunting he has done... Owait.
Vote him. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 07:08 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 21 2014 06:04 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 21 2014 06:02 Lazermonkey wrote:
Please look at Koshi's filter and look ät all thé scum hunting he has done... Owait.
Vote him. As a matter of policy, I do not lynch players right after they replace in. I leave them alone for a full cycle. I find this typically works pretty well; people need time to get their shit together usually. Its been a full cycle now. Not even kidding. All these posts indicate that Lazermonkey is actually following the thread. Nowhere it looks like he is lagging behind so he can't give an opinion on Mderg/BH. Clearly it was a choice from Lazermonkey to not comment on it. Why not? Because BH was going to get lynched and Lazermonkey was setting up the next misslynch. That's why. There is enough time between these posts to catch up with the thread. Are you going to believe he just came in once an hour and just looked at my filter and pushes me? Why wouldn't scum be superlazy on D2 with BH playing suicidal? btw, looking in Lazermonkies filter I think VE is town. reasons: 1) Lazermonkies case on D3 is based on VE not defending bunnies enough D1. Knowing that Lazermonkey wasn't "able" to follow the game D2/N2 it is pretty insane he remembered all this from D1. ScumMonkey however could have planned this case as soon as bunnies was lynched D1. 2) As soon as I moved off LM and on VE today LM called me sensible. This means he got a pretty strong scumread on VE right? But as soon as VE enters the thread with null posts LM seems to have VE as town and starts to push Koshi/SloOsh. This could be because they are scumbuddies but could just as easily be because townVE was in the thread and is more active and has more influance than SloOsh and me. I really want to lynch LM.
Do I even have to say anything?
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##Vote Lazermonkey
ezpz. 
I'm totally going to day tonight right? Well, at least VE died first. I did say I was talk to The Sheriff with him. GG
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On June 26 2014 05:49 Snickers wrote:
Ok so why is chezinu cop. And why do Lazermonkey and name dropper rhyme with double standard but chunky and whopper do not rhyme with each other.
Cause I obv checked Art and got back Medic.
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On June 26 2014 05:51 Snickers wrote:
Lazer if u want to look town to me, look at the questions sloosh ask during day one and analyze them. He asks ykz and me and somebody else about reads. They could be pointless though and just attempts to look townie. I do not have a computer to reference them to the rest of the thread.
He knows he got checked, so don't expect much of a response.
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On June 26 2014 05:56 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 05:51 Chezinu wrote:On June 26 2014 05:51 Snickers wrote:
Lazer if u want to look town to me, look at the questions sloosh ask during day one and analyze them. He asks ykz and me and somebody else about reads. They could be pointless though and just attempts to look townie. I do not have a computer to reference them to the rest of the thread. He knows he got checked, so don't expect much of a response. Waitwat. Did you really check me? What did you get for result?
Mafia obv.
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On June 26 2014 05:58 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 05:56 Chezinu wrote:On June 26 2014 05:56 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 26 2014 05:51 Chezinu wrote:On June 26 2014 05:51 Snickers wrote:
Lazer if u want to look town to me, look at the questions sloosh ask during day one and analyze them. He asks ykz and me and somebody else about reads. They could be pointless though and just attempts to look townie. I do not have a computer to reference them to the rest of the thread. He knows he got checked, so don't expect much of a response. Waitwat. Did you really check me? What did you get for result? Mafia obv. Que? Weren't you a cop? I mean the one that checks roles?
Yup. The good medic be deads.
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On June 26 2014 06:01 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 05:58 Chezinu wrote:On June 26 2014 05:58 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 26 2014 05:56 Chezinu wrote:On June 26 2014 05:56 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 26 2014 05:51 Chezinu wrote:On June 26 2014 05:51 Snickers wrote:
Lazer if u want to look town to me, look at the questions sloosh ask during day one and analyze them. He asks ykz and me and somebody else about reads. They could be pointless though and just attempts to look townie. I do not have a computer to reference them to the rest of the thread. He knows he got checked, so don't expect much of a response. Waitwat. Did you really check me? What did you get for result? Mafia obv. Que? Weren't you a cop? I mean the one that checks roles? Yup. The good medic be deads. But you only get back roles, not alignments. As cop that is.
Sadly.
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WOW!!! It's like all the mafia are voting with me.
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Release, I know I haven't talked to you directly all game. But I have something very important to ask you. Why do you think there is a roleblocker in this game?
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On June 26 2014 07:13 YouKnowZhou wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 06:51 Lazermonkey wrote:
I actually urge you to look at SlOosh filter. I mean, Also look at my filter and look for stuff about SlOosh. Even if you are 100% sure I'm scum you still need to figure out the other scum. I've explained several times why I think he is scum already, including:
- Defends mderg alot. Yet he gives very weak/no reasoning on why he is defending mderg. It boils down to him saying that he doesn't like the mderg lynch.
- ALL of his major pushes has been on people that are town (Artanis, VE, Bunnies, me) except for YKZ. And since I think YKZ supertown, this also implies that SlOosh has only really pushed town this game. I'm aware of the fact that you don't know my alignment nor do you know YKZ's alignment but keep this point in mind when I flip since this should also increase your townread on YKZ.
- Is very eager to vote YKZ over me D3. Yet now he completly drops his read on YKZ to focus only on me. Isn't this convenient given that I am the number 1 lynch target?
I'd also like to point out, once again, that I think Release's reason for thinking that SlOosh is town is BS. While asking question IS good, it is very non-commital. Telling people to stop creating chaos is also good but once again, non-commital. Look LM what I'm trying to get at here is that if you're dead anyways, let's just make the best of it. I still think you have a decent chance of flipping town, but let's be real here: there's a red check on you. You have to be lynched. So I'm not 100% sure you're scum, but I *am* 100% sure you're getting lynched today. The first step to being productive with the next 24 hours is going to be you accepting that you're getting lynched and making the best of it. So when it comes down to it, your case on sloOsh consists of him pushing townies and defending mderg with faulty reasoning, and on D4 focusing you over me (I'm assuming you're talking about before chez claimed a goon check on you). Does this accurately characterize your reasons for wanting to lynch him?
Are you for realz!?!??! I never said I got a goon check!!! ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU FRAMES HIMS WITH THE GOON CHECK?!?!?
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On June 26 2014 07:21 YouKnowZhou wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 07:17 Chezinu wrote:On June 26 2014 07:13 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 26 2014 06:51 Lazermonkey wrote:
I actually urge you to look at SlOosh filter. I mean, Also look at my filter and look for stuff about SlOosh. Even if you are 100% sure I'm scum you still need to figure out the other scum. I've explained several times why I think he is scum already, including:
- Defends mderg alot. Yet he gives very weak/no reasoning on why he is defending mderg. It boils down to him saying that he doesn't like the mderg lynch.
- ALL of his major pushes has been on people that are town (Artanis, VE, Bunnies, me) except for YKZ. And since I think YKZ supertown, this also implies that SlOosh has only really pushed town this game. I'm aware of the fact that you don't know my alignment nor do you know YKZ's alignment but keep this point in mind when I flip since this should also increase your townread on YKZ.
- Is very eager to vote YKZ over me D3. Yet now he completly drops his read on YKZ to focus only on me. Isn't this convenient given that I am the number 1 lynch target?
I'd also like to point out, once again, that I think Release's reason for thinking that SlOosh is town is BS. While asking question IS good, it is very non-commital. Telling people to stop creating chaos is also good but once again, non-commital. Look LM what I'm trying to get at here is that if you're dead anyways, let's just make the best of it. I still think you have a decent chance of flipping town, but let's be real here: there's a red check on you. You have to be lynched. So I'm not 100% sure you're scum, but I *am* 100% sure you're getting lynched today. The first step to being productive with the next 24 hours is going to be you accepting that you're getting lynched and making the best of it. So when it comes down to it, your case on sloOsh consists of him pushing townies and defending mderg with faulty reasoning, and on D4 focusing you over me (I'm assuming you're talking about before chez claimed a goon check on you). Does this accurately characterize your reasons for wanting to lynch him? Are you for realz!?!??! I never said I got a goon check!!! ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU FRAMES HIMS WITH THE GOON CHECK?!?!? You obviously didn't get medic, you can't get godfather, and if there was a roleblocker scum would have roleblocked artanis last night and shot you (remember, you didn't specify his medic type, so they'd need to RB him to be sure he didnt' save you again) so there wouldn't be a live chezinu to clarify his checks. Admittedly you could have gotten back framer, which I didn't consider.
Wow, you really did think through about killing me, didn't you?
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On June 26 2014 07:46 Lazermonkey wrote:
Went back and analyzed both Artanis's and GK's filter. While we can only speculate on why they got shot we do know that they got shot for a reason
People have already tried to get a grip of the GK-shot. Most people had him as townie after D1 IIRC so it makes a bit of sense to shoot him none the less. He was also suspcious of mderg. What I haven't seen someone say (and this may be because I simply missed it, CBA to look through all pages really...) is that he was pushing Release quite a bit. This makes Release look a little worse IMO.
As for Artanis's filter its kinda hard. I think he got shot simply for the fact that he was a town read for basically everyone.
I was basically a town read for everyone for Days... They refuse to lynch me and refuse the kill me!! I mean it isn't that hard to make a case against Chezinu. You know what to prove my point I'm going to show you what I would of done if I was you.
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Case Against Chez.
Chez has been mocking us all game. Look at him. Seriously look at his face!
On June 18 2014 08:59 Chezinu wrote: no bunny hops...
Before bunny dies, he sadfaces likes he knows he is town.
Again,
On June 24 2014 07:16 Chezinu wrote:Vote Count - Day 3: Lazermonkey (3): VisceraEyes, slOosh, Chezinu - Unvotes (2): Koshi, Release VisceraEyes (5): YouKnowZhou, Snickers, Koshi, Release, Lazermonkey - Unvotes (2): Lazermonkey, Chezinu Koshi (1): - Unvotes (2): Artanis[Xp], Lazermonke YouKnowZhou (0) - Unvotes (2): VisceraEyes, slOosh Currently Not Voting (1): Artanis[Xp] It looks like my dearest friend is going to die...
When his "dearest friend" was about to die, sadface again. It's like he knew VE was town.
Here is word to the medic before he dies:
On June 22 2014 10:40 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 10:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 22 2014 10:17 Chezinu wrote:On June 22 2014 10:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 22 2014 10:11 Chezinu wrote:On June 22 2014 10:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
List of people we're not lynching today:
Artanis
Snickers
VisceraEyes
Release
Probably not lynching slOosh or Chez either, so that leaves BH, Lazer and Koshi. Those three candidates are the people I want to focus on, though slOosh and Chez are fair game too if you have a good case. Why would you even consider lynching a confirmed town? Chez ur on the table today. Unless you can coherently tell me why you're suspicious of...whoever, then I'd consider lynching you today. I thought you loved me... On June 22 2014 10:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 22 2014 10:08 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 22 2014 10:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Woop woop.
From those two I prefer BH. I think BH's scum capabilities are far stronger than slOosh and I think slOosh has played a good game on D1 and N2. I tend to agree, though I can't just let go of the fact that he went absent during a scum lynch. What do you make of my observation right at the outset of N2, I'll quote to refresh ur memory. On June 21 2014 23:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
So I have been thinking about it lying in bed. If GK was killed for being so close to the truth where mderg is concerned, then I think a mafia BH would probably follow up the GK kill with a push on VE to ensure that mderg isn't targeted. A GK kill doesn't make sense followed up with a hard mderg push from a mafiaBH perspective I think. GK was getting suspicious of me before he was killed, so it makes sense from my perspective.
BH this means I'm giving you a pass tomorrow. I don't mean to offend, but PLEASE don't waste 90% of it blathering on about how confirmed town you are and how godly you are and shit. That's annoying and doesn't help anyone find mafia, not even you. I believe I need to refresh your memory. On June 22 2014 02:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Actually VE, I went through goodkarma's filter and he's not really suspecting mderg in my opinion. There were other people that he definitely pushed harder like BH and Release. Where do you get it from that he died because he was close to finding out mderg? On June 22 2014 10:11 Chezinu wrote:On June 22 2014 10:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
List of people we're not lynching today:
Artanis
Snickers
VisceraEyes
Release
Probably not lynching slOosh or Chez either, so that leaves BH, Lazer and Koshi. Those three candidates are the people I want to focus on, though slOosh and Chez are fair game too if you have a good case. Why would you even consider lynching a confirmed town? I'm not sure why you're confirmed town. Cause they said so.. On June 21 2014 03:01 Chezinu wrote:
I have looked at everyone posts and came to a conclusion.
People who think Chezinu is town:
2. VisceraEyes
3. YouKnowZhou
5. Snickers
7. Lazermonkey
8. Release
9. mderg
10. Artanis[Xp]
11. Koshi
12. slOosh
Chezinu is town
The mafia are never wrong when it comes to knowing who is town. They are too scared to risk stating that I am Mafia. So, I just your untypical lunatic. It's Great to be Confirmed Town! I have never stated that I have a strong townread on you. I'm only mildly reading you as town because your votes have been in the right place in the end and because mderg has pushed you. You haven't really provided much so it's difficult for anyone to get a read on you, town or scum. On June 22 2014 10:17 VisceraEyes wrote:Must have missed that. On June 17 2014 22:37 goodkarma wrote:On June 17 2014 21:42 mderg wrote:On June 17 2014 21:23 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 17 2014 20:42 mderg wrote:On June 17 2014 18:21 VisceraEyes wrote:So I wrote this big post about why I think slOosh is mafia because he thinks Artanis is mafia, but then as I started picking apart slOosh's reasoning I find that I'm really not so strongly feeling townie on Artanis, and that slOosh's reasoning is as bad as it was at first glance. So I removed the bit about Artanis and frankly it's not nearly as impressive. I've included it in a spoiler because I'm still tentatively scummy on slOosh, but the crux of my argument is garbage and the rest can possibly be just me misreading slOosh's intention or whatever. Would probably vote for slOosh if he said nothing more today, but right now I'm looking elsewhere because I don't really find my case super convincing myself. I maintain that he doesn't /feel/ town to me, but concede that it's quite possible that I'm just wrong here. + Show Spoiler +Why slOosh is Mafia Early on his play can be categorized as asking a lot of questions. A lot of questions. This is okay I guess, if you take his probing as a means to get reads on players. However, the problem I have is that all through his filter, ne'ry is there a read on anyone involved in the early game. He can be seen defending a couple of players...which I don't find to be particularly indicative either way, but it always seems to come with an out too so meh. Ultimately we've got: +- Asking a lot of early questions that don't seem to go anywhere. +- Defending players before they can defend themselves. - Never gives reads on players involved in early game, in spite of interacting with many of them through various questions. - In spite of posting a fair amount, doesn't feel town For now I want to hear what slOosh has to say before voting for him, but we'll call him my top scumread for the sake of argument. As for other players, as always I absolutely refuse to read BH this cycle. Chez seems to be Chez, which means he'll be alive until we lynch him regardless of his alignment. I'd like to see where this Artanis/slOosh stuff goes. I'm now kinda townreading Release now that he's proven a proclivity toward verbosity in all matters. mgerg is more guilty of rehashing than Release ever was, and in a way I find to be far more scummy. I think based on his (presumably only) D1 post that he's my favorite lynch today. I find his entire post to be wishywashy and diplomatic and scummy, and considering it may be all we get from him this cycle I'm fine with lynching him.##Vote: mderg That´s some solid reasoning there. At least be specific in some way. Right now your case on me is basically that my post feels kinda scummy. Also I can assure you that it´s not all you get from me this cycle. "You may theoretically not post any more in this cycle, so I´m fine lynching you". Like you´re not even interested in my play and just want me lynched for starting the game a bit late. Overall a really lazy vote on me without much to back it up. Wait a minute. If his case on you is that your posts feel kinda scummy then it makes perfect sense. If you agree with his reasoning, however, is another story. It would make sense to read someone as scum, if his posts feel scummy. But that´s not why you vote someone. The case sucks because it´s highly subjective and has no real substance. I think making a case just based on a post feeling scummy is terrible. It is worth mentioning that a vote on you up until you suddenly came to life was a lurker vote. Like magic, a vote is cast on you and you come alive not to pursue any of your reads, but to defend yourself. Would you mind clarifying your read on Release? This is the point you're most wishy-washy about in your opening post. Like apparently unflipped people piling on him gives you townie vibes, while a virtually nonexistent case made by Artansis makes you think he's looking scummy? And said nonexistent case is stronger than sloosh's case? Please do explain. This was the post that solidified my read on mderg - he mentioned something I also noticed (and mentioned actually) and he ended up dying in the night. However beyond this you're right, at the end of the day he ended up on the "mderg town" side of things. :/ Frankly the only thing I can see GK being killed for is either a busted role-hunt or to implicate me somehow (he ended up scummy on me at the end of the day). Good to know. Yeah, I don't think he was killed because he had a strong read on mderg. He might've simply been killed because his critical thinking was strong and I did explicitly point out a strong post of his, which might've cemented his fate. His death incriminates YKZ and Release more than you, I feel, as he was on their asses for more of the game. On June 22 2014 10:19 Release wrote:On June 21 2014 18:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
No Release, I'm desperate to give someone bonus points. Now stop focussing on Snickers, he's not scum. Your attention is better suited for just about anyone that isn't me/snickers/lazer. On June 21 2014 21:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 21 2014 21:14 Koshi wrote:
Artanis probably meant the mderg vote. If it brought Snickers in the lead it looks pretty good for Snickers. Snickers was on mderg his ass so mderg might have gotten greedy. Mderg didnt move to bh when he could, so why move to a teammate?
I am back condemned to phone posting for today.
My fav lynch for tomorrkw is VE or lazermonkey. I agree that the vote put it him the spotlight but it was so obviously extremely strange. I dont see why town would do it. Ding ding ding, we have a winner. I think your lynch targets are bad though. Also, the town reasoning should be obvious; he thought YKZ was more scummy than mderg, so he tried to get YKZ lynched. Please explain like I'm 5 why Snickers (and you and lazer) were supposed to be confirmed town. Also, why lazer is no longer in such a position. Snickers is confirmed town because Mderg delurked to vote him last minute which put him over the edge in votes. I'm confirmed town because read the game. Lazer was confirmed town because of his late vote that felt too scummy to be scum, but I'm rescinding that because other things in his filter ring some alarms that make me uncertain if that is true. I'm going to bed now. Good, you were getting a bit sleep deprived with your reads on me. Operaton End FISH RIP is over! Unless you wake up feeling better about me. PS: Day 5 is the key.
He told him that operation "End FISH RIP" aka "Friendship" is over. You know what happened next? Yeah, he died..
Now, look at Chez today...
On June 26 2014 05:42 Chezinu wrote:##Vote Lazermonkeyezpz. I'm totally going to day tonight right? Well, at least VE died first. I did say I was talk to The Sheriff with him. GG
Smilie face... A STINKING SMILIE FACE!! Do you know what this means?!?!? If Lazermonkey is scum, then Chezinu is totally bussing him and in his arrogance Trolling with all of town!!
Oh wait.. nm.. I guess that wouldn't work for you LM.... I guess you couldn't possibly make a fake case against me.. All those smilies... all the cryptic messages.. what is town to do?
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Thank you!!! You totally help my red/blue blindness. I had a red/blue read on Koshi this game. YKZ is possible godfather. Sorry for wanting the vigi to shoot you earlier... I'm a bit red/blue blind.
Question: Game balance wise, how many blue roles do you think town has? Based on how many we have now, I'm pretty sure the other two mafia are special roles.
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##Unvote
##Vote Koshi
I was going to wait until tomorrow, but I was joking about role checking Lazermonkey in order to get more reads. Wanted to see his reaction if he believe me or not to decipher if he was really mafia or not. Guess who I really did check?
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