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slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 18 2014 23:47 GMT
#473
On June 19 2014 08:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I still think mderg is town, so yeah, I don't think scum was at risk of getting lynched. I don't know if they were necessarily laid back or afk during the vote though.

True, I'm just of the thought that since scum wasn't really at too much risk of getting lynched all day, that in general during the day, scum would have a propensity to play laid back, since they don't really care.

I didn't feel any active manipulation too much, so I suspect to find them in the "casual observer" section, so to speak.

(I'm trying to practice what Ver does in his analysis and so I ask).
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 18 2014 23:48 GMT
#474
*I'm referring to the whole day, not just the last hours of the lynch.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 19 2014 00:32 GMT
#481
YKZ, thoughts on mderg please?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 19 2014 01:39 GMT
#482
Chezinu, operation Yes Sire Cave may need to be put on hold, as I believe a spy has infiltrated our ranks! Is this true?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 19 2014 17:00 GMT
#510
C'mon Artanis, wifoming night actions isn't a good idea.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 19 2014 17:05 GMT
#512
You know what I mean. Trying to extrapolate information about the night kill is not a particularly reasonable endeavour.

Current thoughts on VE?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 19 2014 17:20 GMT
#515
On June 19 2014 21:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2014 05:07 slOosh wrote:
On June 18 2014 23:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
slOosh can you maybe give me your read on mderg? He was a counterwagon yesterday and all this VE talk is pretty fucking annoying considering you never really even considered lynching mderg.


On June 18 2014 04:25 slOosh wrote:
I don't think mderg is a good lynch.

His posts are consistent, and his notice of how people are reacting to Release is something that I felt too.

If you have specific things in his filter that you want to talk about, great, let's do that, but you will need to clarify what exactly you have problems with. I understand if you want to play a more laid back style of play, but if you want me to back off, give me something to work with, otherwise there's no reason for me to stop.


I think that based on how D1 went down, scum weren't in much danger of getting lynched, as I think mderg is town. In this position, scum tend to be lazy / laid back. In some sense lurkers who drop by to keep up appearances, but not really care about where the lynch lands.

VE your profile fits this. Again, if you want me to back off, give me something to work with.

slOosh I think that in general your description would accurately illustrate a likely strategy mafia could/would employ based on the information we have now. I think that your observation is fair that I fit this category on reflection, and regret my harsh words to the contrary.

I also realize that my scumread of BH does NOT fall in line with this line of thinking, so I ask how you're reading BH right now. Is it simply that you've constructed this likely scenario and that BH does not fit into it? If so I ask that you consider that BH is a crazy mofo and fucks up whatever plan you think you have about what mafia /could/ or /would/ do. If not I'd like to know your full reasoning for townreading/not suspecting BH.

Well this scenario is hinged on mderg's alignment, which I am currently reviewing right now.

BH is crazy. I haven't trusted him all game for the stunt he pulled off. The one time he comments outside of it is when people are considering an mderg lynch, at which point he counter offers an Oats lurker lynch. Even his first post of today seems like a potential bait - repeat. So in some sense I've been waiting to see what he would do now that his stunt is over, and also why I asked last night what he thought of mderg.

slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 19 2014 17:24 GMT
#516
On June 20 2014 02:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 02:05 slOosh wrote:
You know what I mean. Trying to extrapolate information about the night kill is not a particularly reasonable endeavour.

Current thoughts on VE?

I think it gives extra reason to check out karma's filter though. I skimmed through his filter and saw he was after BH (until he decided to give him a day) and VE.

Haven't read VE in depth. Saw the case on mderg but I skipped it for the time being as I haven't had much time so far. I'm not sure why his read on me developed the way it did. He seems to have gone from townreading me to (sort of?) scumreading me whereas you and Lazer have gone through he opposite evolution. He seems very detached. I'm hesitant to throw him under the train tracks too quickly though, he's been a frequent mislynch.

I think several things that he has said may have some validity to them. I invite you to reread mderg as well. He seems like a pivotal point here.

Either that or BH.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 19 2014 17:56 GMT
#517
Aight. I can see where VE would have issues with mderg's first post. It's reasonable.

However, I think there is a general consistency in his filter that still makes me lean town. I.e. his reads over time are congruent and whatnot. I don't know how much stock you put in meta, but reading Detention Mafia and Cell Mini II Mafia shows it is possible that his town style is kinda "wishy washy".

I'd totally lynch BH over him.

##Vote YouKnowZhou

slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 19 2014 18:00 GMT
#518
Primary points of contention being his read on Release, which arguably should be "real townie", and the mention of an Oats lynch.

Secondary point being he pulled off a really stupid stunt and hasn't done anything else all game.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 19 2014 18:14 GMT
#522
Dat unlurk + blue claim setup.

Hop on the wagon Koshi. It's looking pretty good.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 19 2014 18:15 GMT
#523
Like, of all the posts to focus on, he chooses Artanis' night time speculations. Really?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 19 2014 18:49 GMT
#532
On June 11 2014 07:30 Kurumi wrote:
Mafia Roleblocker
During the night you might roleblock a player which makes his action fail. Only roles using their power in that night will be notified of a roleblock.

Pew pew pew
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 19 2014 19:39 GMT
#539
On June 20 2014 03:59 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2014 10:39 slOosh wrote:
Chezinu, operation Yes Sire Cave may need to be put on hold, as I believe a spy has infiltrated our ranks! Is this true?

Do this mean we are going to perform operation Eel Ears?

The Sheriff is watching. We must act in disguise in order not to be shotgunned. If we say the wrong things The Sheriff will kill us. Sorry for wasting your time, The Sheriff demands it.

*chzzzz*

" .... lacking funds ...."

" ... vigil on picture #300 ... possible theft by The Sheriff ..."

" ... in case of emergency .... Countermeasure: ¿Donde Romeo? ..."

*chzzzz*
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 20 2014 19:55 GMT
#622
I think YKZ's case is bad, and I think he is scum, and I think people are scared of lynching him.

It starts off pretending to be a vote analysis. It is not. It is a wordy segue into "mderg was the first voter, let me talk about mderg".

He clearly was leaning scum on bunnies given his vote at the end - the middle stuff is his thinking process, of picking apart which points he agrees with / disagrees with. You can see him do that with his reads on Snickers, Release and Artanis.


Relevant break:
On June 20 2014 18:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
slOosh, you were scumbuddies with mderg in Detention. Do you feel he's playing similarly in this game?
BH, you were the host that game. What do you recall of his play and do you see similarities?

Here is an example post from Cell (his town game):
On May 29 2014 02:58 mderg wrote:
Am I the only one here who wants cell C to go late? Right now I can´t read that at all.
Hf´s mayor campaign seemed townie but at some point I started to find it strange how he didn´t want to take responsibility for the cell order. So my read on him is kinda null.
batsnacks had some good guidelines about the cell order but it wasn´t really specific. I also didn´t agree with lynching the lowest contributing cells first. I´m slightly leaning towards town but I´m really not sure about that.
ShiaoPi is like a huge question mark for me right now.

So for me this is the last cell I´d want to go first.

It can be interpreted as "wishy washy", but I think it is just his style of posting. He points out things he likes and things he dislikes in the same post. Thinking aloud so to speak.

End break:

On June 20 2014 18:57 YouKnowZhou wrote:
Also, not only do I recall nothing about mderg's play, I don't even remember him being mafia in detention. I stopped really having time to host that game after D2, and I recall screwing up the night actions or something and then modkilling a scum player, and then maybe not delivering mderg's roleblock? In any case, you can take a look at his filter for yourself here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?user=mderg

On June 20 2014 18:58 YouKnowZhou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 18:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 20 2014 18:54 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 20 2014 18:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
slOosh, you were scumbuddies with mderg in Detention. Do you feel he's playing similarly in this game?
BH, you were the host that game. What do you recall of his play and do you see similarities?

What do you think of my case?

It's made me heavily doubt mderg's alignment, but it hasn't convinced me yet, ergo I'm looking for how he usually plays as scum/town for comparison.


Yeah, we're gonna have a problem with that then. I generally only use meta when it supports my case, and now that I'm looking at his filter in detention, it looks like the issue here (he forgot that he was townreading 27nb and then voted her for no reason) didn't happen there. I am not making a behavioral analysis on mderg, but it's not exactly a scumslip case either. It's a case based on the fact that his train of thought really does NOT make sense. In Detention Mafia he has some scumtells and some nonsensical things he says, but nothing like this. I do think he's still scum though despite that.

I attribute the change in playing style (conversational in Detention, non-conversational here) to World Cup.

Doesn't remember anything about mderg's play or even alignment in Detention. Immediately after says he has scumtells.

Total lies.

Here, he agrees with mderg's accusation of Snickers.
On June 20 2014 18:32 YouKnowZhou wrote:
Oh man mderg when you refresh the page you're gonna be real surprised. But yeah I like super want to lynch Snickers for that post too.

He sees his main scum read give a reasonable read of another scum read, and it gives him no pause. No pause.

We need to lynch YKZ today. There's nothing in his play that exonerates what he does. There is no sense in "let's give him more time", because he'll just do what he is trying to pull off today. Lurk for a good 50~60 hours, then pick on someone everyone is suspicious of and deflect the lynch onto them.

Ask yourself, what has YKZ done that made you think he is town?

Nothing. He is scum. Lynch him.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 20 2014 20:10 GMT
#623
Artanis, why don't you want to vote YKZ?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 20 2014 20:20 GMT
#624
On June 21 2014 01:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
VE, you feel like BH's case is scum on scum or how do you see it?

This is a good question. VE please elaborate.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 20 2014 20:48 GMT
#632
Could I get your thoughts on VE please?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 20 2014 21:12 GMT
#640
On June 21 2014 06:02 Lazermonkey wrote:
Please look at Koshi's filter and look ät all thé scum hunting he has done... Owait.

Vote him.

Could you please explain your reservations of voting for YKZ?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 21 2014 08:45 GMT
#774
So ... I don't know how to feel. My reads feel like the garbage

VE I'll get back to you on the Lazermonkey read. Just wallowing for a while.
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