EPTI am planning to be around tomorrow… I don’t think I will be in the morning, but probably on computer most afternoon, instead.
If you leave me questions I'll get to them and will plan to be here for lynch if I can.
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Amiko
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I am planning to be around tomorrow… I don’t think I will be in the morning, but probably on computer most afternoon, instead. If you leave me questions I'll get to them and will plan to be here for lynch if I can. | ||
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On May 29 2014 03:14 sqrtofneg1 wrote: @amiko What do you think of a second wagon? I want there to be a second wagon. On May 28 2014 14:51 Amiko wrote: (cut) This is more of a general comment- I would like to see town have a second wagon (besides jabberwockzerg), but I’m just not sure who that should be yet. I’ll keep looking for that as I go through the thread here. Palmar seems like a possible second from comments in the thread, but I don't think I feel strongly scummy on him. I'll try to give him a deeper read and see if that changes my mind after I finish catching up. I will comment on Palmar in my reads, I have written the most about him so far but I won't tell you yet whether I think he is scum or town this moment :D @sqrt and @Alakaslam (if you are here): What do you think of Palmar as a second wagon? | ||
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Amiko
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@Alakaslam: If you were to pick a second wagon, who would it be? | ||
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You didn't answer this so let me get your attention ALAKASLAM On May 28 2014 15:28 Amiko wrote: @Alakaslam: I don't have much to question you about but here are a few quick things besides the question in my last post: (1) Curious, why did you quote sloosh in your vote post? (2) Do you have any read on slOosh for now? If you would like, you can present your read in the form of a youtube video (but I would like some text explaining why you picked that youtube video) (if that's too much pressure just text is okay) | ||
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Amiko
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Maybe jabberwockzerg will be lynched today, maybe not. Either way, I'd rather have the day end where there are two people who reasonably could get lynched. In that case, our votes are more significant because they reflect an actual choice: it means people found one person scummy as compared to another person. If all the votes are on jabberwockzerg, the votes don't tell us much of anything and don't reflect a meaningful choice by the players. Since some players don't want to vote jabberwockzerg, I want to know who their pick would be. | ||
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Amiko
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I'm writing now and seeing what I find. I can post what I have and continue I suppose. Btw I asked you for a read on Alakaslam a little earlier since a fair number of your posts seemed to focus on him, can you give me any comments? @27ninjabunnies: Nothing personal bunnies, but I'm going to ignore that post unless you give me anything to write about :x | ||
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Amiko
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HaruRH has made some comments I think are scummy or weird, if you are in thread and don't have other stuff to talk about, let me know what you think. 1) Seems to have joined JWZ case on grounds that feel overly non-committal After a case is made on jabberwockzerg, HaruRH presents the case as a gamble and talks a bit about odds - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=6#109. To me, this seems like a strange view. If you feel you want to go with the odds, JWZ is no more or less likely to be scum than anyone else. I dislike this for two reasons. (1) it gives no response on ninjabunnies' points; (2) it does not tie him to his vote on JWZ at all - his justification (probability) applies equally to everyone. 2) Tells JWZ to talk about things other than the case on him, but will only unvote JWZ if he addresses the case on him HaruRH more or less suggests JWZ change the subject to avoid getting votes http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=130&topic_id=451317. Initially, I didn't think this was bad - I also wanted to see JWZ scumhunt and talk about other issues, and some other players asked for that as well (Palmar comes to mind). But, HaruRH then says On May 27 2014 15:51 HaruRH wrote: what I understood from all jabber's responses are either a high level of newbie play, or scum. I will provide examples later after I get on a computer. Will not unvote until jabber defends himself convincingly This is weird because he's told jabber to talk about something else... but won't unvote unless jabber talks more about the topic. 3) Weird role comments On May 28 2014 22:33 HaruRH wrote: I would give it a 30% chance to be 1) and a 70% chance to be 2). The only problem is the non-vanilla townies now. Who will they protect/scan/roleblock? By the way, which setup was used? A/B/C? Could be important for us VT to know. This feels strange to me for a few reasons as well. (1) There's no point to claiming VT at this time (or in general). (2) I don't understand how he manages to see the different roles in the OP, but misses the red text underneath saying we don't know the setup. On May 27 2014 09:08 Blazinghand wrote: This game uses a variable open setup. When the game begins, one of the following setups will be chosen: A) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 2 Mafia Goons B) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Watcher, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 2 Mafia Goons C) 1 Town Doctor, 1 Town Watcher, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 2 Mafia Goons The mafia will be informed as to which setup is chosen, but the town will not! I don't see why he'd start thinking about the setup at this point. This post could be trying to role-fish because he is thinking about night kills. | ||
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Amiko
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Currently have a townread on Palmar. This is mostly based on Palmar’s interactions re: jabberwockzerg case. (I also feel like Meapak-sqrt is a little less likely to be a scumteam, but that is a weak read.) SUMMARY - Palmar raises points by other people, but doesn’t try to take credit for those points. - Palmar pushes on JWZ and other players. - Palmar does not seem certain JWZ is scum, but seems to feel it is the best lynch (currently agree). His early vote on ninjabunnies and his interaction with Meapak don’t mean much to me. I feel he is slightly more likely to be town based on suspicion from sqrt/jabberwockzerg who feel suspicious to me right now, but I might reasses when I go through sqrt more fully. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- DETAILS / BASIS Palmar - 27ninjabunnies Early D1, Palmar votes on 27ninjabunnies. This vote means pretty much nothing to me. It looked like a joke to me, and even if he raised points explaining this vote later, he didn’t do it then or push it then. I think I will probably ignore it. Palmar - Jabberwockzerg A little later, Palmar starts to sheep the case on Jabberwockzerg. His posts sort of repeat posts by other players. Initially this seemed like it may be scummy (backpacking other players’ reads), but after reading more, I don’t think so. + Show Spoiler + On May 27 2014 21:28 Palmar wrote: Okay I'll be a good sheep. ##vote jabberwockzerg To put in clear terms what the problem I, and clearly others, have is: The point isn't that you screwed it up. The point is that you brought up an argument that you already know is invalid. I don't see any motivation for someone who is town to do that. Unless you can explain why as town it makes sense for you to throw something you know will not help solve the issue at hand into the mix, we're going to have to lynch you. I'm fine with not doing anything else today. This is better than most day 1 lynch opportunities we get. @jabberwockzerg: if you're somehow town, now is your time to step up. - (1) Palmar states he is sheeping, so I don’t see this as an attempt to get credit for another player’s ideas. He credits Chrome as well in his next post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=10#188). - (2) Palmar follows up his thoughts in later posts (ex: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=10#196, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=10#199). - (3) Palmar argues with JWZ and asks people who are not voting JWZ to vote for JWZ (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=16#312). To me, this is a really natural reaction and consistent with town play. It is possible Palmar is opportunistic scum trying to secure a mislynch, but I don’t feel he would push as much as he did when other players seemed to be agreeing. Further, although I don’t put a ton of credit in associative reads, suspicion of Palmar from sqrt and jabberwockzerg make Palmar seem a little more town to me. I can’t say Palmar is obviously town, but I feel the case on him (voting ninjabunnies d1) just seems so weak that it would “fit” if they are trying to get Palmar as an alternate lynch. Palmar - Meapak_Ziphhh I don’t conclude very much from interactions between Palmar and Meapak_Ziphh… Meapak’s comments on sqrt’s posting style are fair; I like sqrt and have a general sense of his play, but I feel he has been suspected in almost every game for his posting style (maybe in Golden Sun it was for posting frequency, I forget). So, Meapak’s comment on his posting style seems fine to me. This does suggests to me that Meapak-sqrt is a little less likely to be a scum team. Basically, I just feel scum would tend to give each other tips on play in their QT, so they might be less likely to do so in the actual game. I feel like it’s a pretty weak read and it’s not that useful to talk about more now, anyway. Anyway, since I feel like Meapak’s comments on sqrt are fine, I don’t have a read on Meapak from it and don’t agree or disagree with Palmar’s push there. | ||
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Amiko
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Fuba I initially liked his point on jabberwockzerg, but looking back it seems like a point that would only get raised by me or a mafia. I don’t know though… his return to voting jabberwock for JWZ’s followup posts seems reasonable to me. He hasn’t talked too much. I am not sure on him. I initially liked fuba’s point on jabberwock quite a bit (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=9#162). But, looking back I am a little confused by it. So, I am in a unique position compared to every other town in this game (because I know I am town) when it comes to jabberwock. Usually, knowing your own alignment is not particularly helpful. However, as someone who was rolled scum last game, I can call out JWZ on who he lists as scum. I know for a certainty JWZ’s post is weak coming from scum because he would know a town player (me) would be able to call him out on it. For everyone else, you don’t know if we might be on the same team. This makes fuba’s comment a little weird to me when I revisit it: it seems like a point that only would get made by me or a mafia. I am not sure, though… he may have (like initially I did) thought Epishade, who rolled scum last game, was still in this game; It seems really unlikely that we’d have 3/3 same people, but 2/2 doesn’t feel so rare. And, I sort of agree with his switch back onto jabberwock because I feel like jabber’s subsequent posts really looked bad to me. I think I detailed it in an earlier post, but it sort of feels like JWZ gave up or admitted he had been caught. Basically, uncertain on fuba for now. My preference was to get more comments and revisit him. | ||
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Amiko
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Can you read through my comments on Palmar and let me know what you think? I feel your suspicion of him based on his vote for bunnies is super weak... | ||
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On May 29 2014 04:34 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Amiko, what do you think of haru? I posted on him just a bit ago and I think you read it...? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=25#499 I think HaruRH is scummy. I am not sure re: jabberwockzerg vs HaruRH... I didn't realize deadline was when it was, so I feel like there may not be time for Haru to respond to my points, whereas jabberwock has had time to respond and responded poorly. That's one reason I want to see more talk on Haru. | ||
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On May 29 2014 04:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hmm I'm a bit suspect of people trying to develop a second wagon at the same time as they're voting JWZ. Either say you've changed your mind about jwz and explain why or start developing reads for tomorrow. ##Vote: jabberwockzerg Thought there was a voting thread lol I think this is a fair point and I feel okay with a JWZ lynch, so I'll place my vote on him. ##Vote: jabberwockzerg However, please comment on HaruRH now. Just because we are okay with a JWZ lynch doesn't mean we can't talk about other possibilities, and this will help me get reads. I am open to moving to HaruRH, and it's fine with me if we talk about him as a potential suspect for tomorrow, too. | ||
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On May 29 2014 04:38 Chromatically wrote: Amiko, I'm most interested in who you want to lynch today. JWZ over HaruRH, but partially because I feel HaruRH may not have time to respond. I am a little loathe to vote JWZ (if I vote HaruRH or don't vote, it puts more pressure on him to answer) but I think timing just doesn't permit that. | ||
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Amiko
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Would appreciate your comments on my post on HaruRH. Even if he isn't the lynch today, I'd like to see some discussion of it - I made some points here you can address (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=25#499) or raise your own. | ||
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Amiko
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Please comment on my case on Haru. Basically, look at my points and let me know if you think they are legitimate/mistaken. If you blue-read Haruh, whatever, please do not discuss that at all. You can still feel he is town if you want based on that, but I want to know if you think my points make sense. | ||
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Amiko
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I understand you are voting JWZ. But can you also give a little more reaction to my points on Palmar? Your post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=26#511 doesn't really let me know how you feel... like, do you think Palmar is more likely to be town now? Or is it more that you suspect him, but feel JWZ is better after my points? What in my points did you agree with or disagree with the most? | ||
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I still want answers from you :x http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=25#484 But for just right now, if you want to wait on that and instead comments on HaruRH/JWZ that'd be the bees knees. | ||
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Amiko
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That's fair. I don't want you to feel like you have to play silly (but, I want you to be able to play silly if that's what you enjoy). (I'd still like a read from you on slOosh since he seems to be giving a lot of attention to your posts) Can you give comments on my points on Haru? I am not voting for him, but Haru is my second choice after JWZ. I think JWZ is still my pick for today even though I like mderg's point. Could you let me know what you think of Haru? If I was going to vote someone other than JWZ it would be Haru. | ||
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