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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On June 26 2014 07:39 27ninjabunnies wrote: Slam, I don't understand how saying. "OMGERD COME AT ME BRO" Every single night is going to get you shot. So if you are vet, you played it terribly. I'm starting to question my townread on you. Is scum wifom | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
I was daring them to confirm me, best use of their shots I can imagine THEY played terrible not me- for not doing what they said! | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On June 26 2014 07:51 27ninjabunnies wrote: So read through Kush and KOTC. Kush and HF argued a lot. I wouldn't say they are the same alignment. Kush also called VA scum. So bus? Eh idk if he wouldbus that early in the game. Kush also said no way mocsta/robik scum- possible protection of mafia partner? KOTC didn't really give anything insightful tbh. So fro reading their filters, and my already reads, I'd say HF is still town. As for others, I'd be willing to lynch SNB, CR, and two between Slam/Chrom/ VA/Round. I still think Round is town., so id save him for last. You don't know Kush meta. He loves to bus | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On June 26 2014 08:33 sinani206 wrote: Why is the vote in the 1/2 (50%) pool instead of the 3/5 (60%) pool. ##Vote: strongandbig To me it isn't 1/2, it is 1/1 There is no doubt in my mind, there should be no doubt in yours. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
I was just tempted to start trying the strat "be an abrasive jerk" But I refuse Anyway ppl if you don't think I am vet what is wrong with your willingness to read my filter All I did all game is call out the vigs and say to shoot me. If this is some glorious scum strat then HIJOLE my scum game rocks house again | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
If he's a real tracker, then his claim is simple, and everything checks out. This would have to mean that Alakaslam is mafia. However if Chrom mafia, then we have to look at why he fakeclaimed. We can split this into two scenarios where 27nb is mafia and where 27nb is town. If 27nb is mafia and Chrom is godfather, then at that moment they would probably think that Ritoky is the real cop. Chrom fakeclaimed as a way to save 27nb and try to get a mislynch on the cop. Ritoky's claim was pretty stupid anyways, so mafia could easily win the argument. However if Chrom is either vanilla mafia or knows that 27nb is town, then he would already know that Ritoky is fakeclaiming. There is absolutely no need for Chrom to fakeclaim against Ritoky, because there already exists a cop that will counterclaim, producing the exact same result. Chrom fakeclaiming in this situation would just be meaningless suicide. So we can split possible mafia scenarios into two buckets: #1 Chromatically - Mafia godfather 27ninjabunnies - Mafia Alakaslam - Town vet #2 Alakaslam - Mafia Chromatically - Town tracker | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On June 26 2014 09:24 Chairman Ray wrote: Looking through Chrom's filter, the biggest alignment indicator is his tracker claim. If he's a real tracker, then his claim is simple, and everything checks out. This would have to mean that Alakaslam is mafia. However if Chrom mafia, then we have to look at why he fakeclaimed. We can split this into two scenarios where 27nb is mafia and where 27nb is town. If 27nb is mafia and Chrom is godfather, then at that moment they would probably think that Ritoky is the real cop. Chrom fakeclaimed as a way to save 27nb and try to get a mislynch on the cop. Ritoky's claim was pretty stupid anyways, so mafia could easily win the argument. However if Chrom is either vanilla mafia or knows that 27nb is town, then he would already know that Ritoky is fakeclaiming. There is absolutely no need for Chrom to fakeclaim against Ritoky, because there already exists a cop that will counterclaim, producing the exact same result. Chrom fakeclaiming in this situation would just be meaningless suicide. So we can split possible mafia scenarios into two buckets: #1 Chromatically - Mafia godfather 27ninjabunnies - Mafia Alakaslam - Town vet #2 Alakaslam - Mafia Chromatically - Town tracker So you are town lol Well done and I appreciate it | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
You are now best scum hunter in game | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
On June 26 2014 09:06 Alakaslam wrote: To me it isn't 1/2, it is 1/1 There is no doubt in my mind, there should be no doubt in yours. well not from your pov | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
On June 26 2014 09:24 Chairman Ray wrote: Looking through Chrom's filter, the biggest alignment indicator is his tracker claim. If he's a real tracker, then his claim is simple, and everything checks out. This would have to mean that Alakaslam is mafia. However if Chrom mafia, then we have to look at why he fakeclaimed. We can split this into two scenarios where 27nb is mafia and where 27nb is town. If 27nb is mafia and Chrom is godfather, then at that moment they would probably think that Ritoky is the real cop. Chrom fakeclaimed as a way to save 27nb and try to get a mislynch on the cop. Ritoky's claim was pretty stupid anyways, so mafia could easily win the argument. However if Chrom is either vanilla mafia or knows that 27nb is town, then he would already know that Ritoky is fakeclaiming. There is absolutely no need for Chrom to fakeclaim against Ritoky, because there already exists a cop that will counterclaim, producing the exact same result. Chrom fakeclaiming in this situation would just be meaningless suicide. So we can split possible mafia scenarios into two buckets: #1 Chromatically - Mafia godfather 27ninjabunnies - Mafia Alakaslam - Town vet #2 Alakaslam - Mafia Chromatically - Town tracker does gf have visits? | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
If Chrom is mafia vig/janitor, it doesn't make sense for him to fakeclaim. He knows that ritoky is fake cop if ritoky gave him a green check. If 27nb is mafia, then the optimal play would be to wait for the real cop to counterclaim, lynch ritoky that day, kill the cop, resulting in a ML and cop kill at no expense. If 27nb is town, then the optimal play would be to take the free green check, either let town mislynch 27nb if cop doesn't come out, or let town mislynch ritoky if cop does come out. Ritoky fakeclaiming was the greatest gift to mafia, and Chrom just threw it away. Doesn't make any sense to me. ##Vote: Alakaslam | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On June 26 2014 11:22 Chairman Ray wrote: Rite, he can't be since he visited. If Chrom is mafia vig/janitor, it doesn't make sense for him to fakeclaim. He knows that ritoky is fake cop if ritoky gave him a green check. If 27nb is mafia, then the optimal play would be to wait for the real cop to counterclaim, lynch ritoky that day, kill the cop, resulting in a ML and cop kill at no expense. If 27nb is town, then the optimal play would be to take the free green check, either let town mislynch 27nb if cop doesn't come out, or let town mislynch ritoky if cop does come out. Ritoky fakeclaiming was the greatest gift to mafia, and Chrom just threw it away. Doesn't make any sense to me. ##Vote: Alakaslam why would a real cop counterclaim there can be multiple cops, or none if chrom and 27nb are both scum, then they know that ritocky is fakeclaiming and assume he will reveal that after 27nb gets lynched; but chrom claiming miller there is the only way that they save 27nb | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
On June 26 2014 12:03 strongandbig wrote: like, your reasoning only makes sense if you assume the real cop will counterclaim but there's no reason to assume that And your reasoning only makes sense if I am actually mafia, but Im town. Therefore Chrom would have absolutely no reason to claim miller. And he claimed at a time I wasnt even around. If he was mafia why wouldnt he wait to see if I could defend myself first before putting himself out there like that. | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
On June 26 2014 12:03 strongandbig wrote: like, your reasoning only makes sense if you assume the real cop will counterclaim but there's no reason to assume that It's not a guaranteed assumption that cop will claim, however there is a likelihood that another cop, rolecop, tracker, or jailkeeper may reveal information to counterclaim ritoky. If any of them has any information that points to ritoky being fake, they will reveal right away because saving 27nb and getting a mafia lynched is very worth uncovering a role. Chrom didn't wait to see if anybody would claim. He counterclaimed right away. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
Vote Count - Day 6: Chromatically (4): VayneAuthority, Alakaslam, roundabound, strongandbig Alakaslam (2): Chromatically, Chairman Ray strongandbig (2): 27ninjabunnies, sinani206 Not voting (1): Holyflare Currently Chromatically is set to be lynched with 4 votes! Day will end in Remember: Voting is mandatory and has to be done in this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451311-tl-order-lxvi-thread-for-doing-of-the-voting If there is a tie, the first person to reach that number of votes is lynched. Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you! | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
My "fakeclaim" only makes sense if you assume that bunnies is mafia, AND you assume that the mafia team was okay with a claim that would likely result in both of our lynches once the massclaim happened rather then just waiting for a cop or someone else to counterclaim. For Slam's fakeclaim to make sense, you only have to assume that the mafia wanted to have one of their members claim blue during the massclaim. This is a pretty reasonable assumption, because if no mafia claim blue then ALL of the blues are confirmed. Slam's claim gives the mafia a chance to get the mislynch they need in the blues, and if it doesn't work, they can bus Slam easily because he's certainly the most expendable mafia (no thread influence). Vet is a super convenient role to claim because it has no night actions and is essentially unverifiable. | ||
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