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27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
June 20 2014 17:56 GMT
#4741
HF, talk to me. How ya been?

Give me a list of your town and scum. You dont have to justify anything.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
June 20 2014 17:56 GMT
#4742
On June 21 2014 02:29 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2014 00:17 roundabound wrote:
SnB,

That may be the laziest, most convoluted scumhunting I've EVER seen. That's not even a case against anyone. That's just a terrible assumption based off of people's laziness?

I don't understand how anyone can actually believe that people who are trying to solve the game are scum.

Like, you're sincere in your belief that if I were to sit here and not post and not give reads, I would be town? Are you out of your fucking mind? The reason that people who haven't posted a lot are scum is because they're not giving reads. it's because they're not doing anything to try to solve the game. Yourself included! Get outta here with your shitty ass illogical bullshit.

No I'm saying that you (or holy flare or both) are scum because you have no scum reads among anyone who's been posting more than sinani. You're just rolling with a dressed up form of "low post = scum" when it's been clearly proven wrong already this game.


I wanna lynch the shit out of SnB for his recent posts. He's blatantly trying to push us away from lynching his scum partners at this point. He is calling towny people scum for playing towny and trying to clear scum based off of an illogical argument.

##vote SnB
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 20 2014 17:59 GMT
#4743
generally speaking several people have pushed the fallacious argument "several lurkers have flipped town, so pushing lurkers is shown to be bad". Not a good argument. Realistically a much higher proportion of lurkers are going to be mafia now that we cleared out a bunch of town lurkers :/
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 20 2014 18:05 GMT
#4744
uhhh been bit shitty, england out of world cup and stuff to do etc etc!

mafia - ritoky, cr, tica, mayyybeeeee snb and mayyybeeee keto but the last 2 are pretty interchangeable with a few others like va, exoish etc and maybe even you honestly not given it too much thought/looked into the rest enough and snb's recent posting is looking kinda scummyish

town - marv, me, robik, slam, prob rainbows thrown into the mix
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
June 20 2014 18:10 GMT
#4745
HF, tbh, i was a bit worried you were mafia. Now im not so sure.

I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 20 2014 18:10 GMT
#4746
what were you expecting me to say -.-
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 20 2014 18:12 GMT
#4747
On June 21 2014 02:56 roundabound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2014 02:29 strongandbig wrote:
On June 21 2014 00:17 roundabound wrote:
SnB,

That may be the laziest, most convoluted scumhunting I've EVER seen. That's not even a case against anyone. That's just a terrible assumption based off of people's laziness?

I don't understand how anyone can actually believe that people who are trying to solve the game are scum.

Like, you're sincere in your belief that if I were to sit here and not post and not give reads, I would be town? Are you out of your fucking mind? The reason that people who haven't posted a lot are scum is because they're not giving reads. it's because they're not doing anything to try to solve the game. Yourself included! Get outta here with your shitty ass illogical bullshit.

No I'm saying that you (or holy flare or both) are scum because you have no scum reads among anyone who's been posting more than sinani. You're just rolling with a dressed up form of "low post = scum" when it's been clearly proven wrong already this game.


I wanna lynch the shit out of SnB for his recent posts. He's blatantly trying to push us away from lynching his scum partners at this point. He is calling towny people scum for playing towny and trying to clear scum based off of an illogical argument.

##vote SnB

this only makes sense if you flip the people you say he's defending and they flip mafia. you don't lynch someone for defending unflipped, potential mafia -.-
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
June 20 2014 18:13 GMT
#4748
On June 21 2014 02:59 marvellosity wrote:
generally speaking several people have pushed the fallacious argument "several lurkers have flipped town, so pushing lurkers is shown to be bad". Not a good argument. Realistically a much higher proportion of lurkers are going to be mafia now that we cleared out a bunch of town lurkers :/

Other people have thrown it out there and then backed up off of it. I don't recall SnB mentioning it before, and now he is building "a case" against people because of it. In fact, this is the only contribution he's had ALL GAME. Not only that, but he is probably just trying to piggy back the concept from the people who have posted about it previously, tryna re-inseminate the idea into peoples' minds..
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
TicaTica
Profile Joined June 2014
Costa Rica194 Posts
June 20 2014 18:16 GMT
#4749
[QUOTE]On June 21 2014 01:59 VayneAuthority wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 20 2014 17:24 TicaTica wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 18 2014 06:55 mattisfoolish wrote:
ok so my buddy foolishness is correct, we think that sandroba is mafia, so marv, thats a fine vote right there if it said the right name.

secondly, gumshoe is probably mafia as well

i think obi is mafia, his posts during n2(?) were really really off putting to me, however my partnah disagrees and doesnt think so cause he's a silly willy

people who shouldnt be lynched until everyone else is dead include

marv, chrom, batsnacks, ticatica, round, CR, 27nb[/QUOTE]
I've been thinking and reading random filters. This randomly came up. I'm less sure on not lynching CR and NB; overall though I think Phil's townreads are much better than his scumreads in general. There's something about her NB's posting that's rubbing me the wrong way. I can't put my finger on it (it's not that she's pushing me).

This leaves 10 in the lynch pool. Looking from NB's filter, ritoky isn't a bad lynch. He grabs onto this JAT/Chrome/Sinani interaction in a really weird way and attacks it like a dog in heat. Usually I like aggression early, but it's something that he never really gets out of or reconsiders; plus he doesn't really go full ham on it and distort things in a fucking tunneled to hell towny way.

[QUOTE]On June 14 2014 09:10 ketomai wrote:
At that point, like I said, SnB was my "strongest" read because it was the first day. I really do not hang onto it that hard as you can see by this post:

[QUOTE]On June 12 2014 12:38 ketomai wrote:
Actually, since I won't be back in time for the end of the mafia day tomorrow and won't have a chance to change my vote, I'll change it to strongandbig, so it doesn't have a high chance of being a useless vote. I guess if strongandbig actually arrives to defend himself, it better be dazzling because my vote can't change.[/QUOTE]


I'm unsure of VA. He doesn't seem to care about any of his reads or being right. Two things which I associate with him being town. He's also been wrong a whole lot when usually he's slightly better than that. My hesitance though is that this kinda reminds me of what I saw of him in Greymist game. I'd guess red but probably a worse lynch than Ket.

[/QUOTE]


another weird possible scumslip as it's impossible to know if ive been right or wrong this game since the people i have been pushing not one of them has died.[/QUOTE]
Not really. You've helped push a decent number of green flips. Iirc poof, Sandroba and MILF off the top of my head.
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
June 20 2014 18:17 GMT
#4750
On June 21 2014 03:12 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2014 02:56 roundabound wrote:
On June 21 2014 02:29 strongandbig wrote:
On June 21 2014 00:17 roundabound wrote:
SnB,

That may be the laziest, most convoluted scumhunting I've EVER seen. That's not even a case against anyone. That's just a terrible assumption based off of people's laziness?

I don't understand how anyone can actually believe that people who are trying to solve the game are scum.

Like, you're sincere in your belief that if I were to sit here and not post and not give reads, I would be town? Are you out of your fucking mind? The reason that people who haven't posted a lot are scum is because they're not giving reads. it's because they're not doing anything to try to solve the game. Yourself included! Get outta here with your shitty ass illogical bullshit.

No I'm saying that you (or holy flare or both) are scum because you have no scum reads among anyone who's been posting more than sinani. You're just rolling with a dressed up form of "low post = scum" when it's been clearly proven wrong already this game.


I wanna lynch the shit out of SnB for his recent posts. He's blatantly trying to push us away from lynching his scum partners at this point. He is calling towny people scum for playing towny and trying to clear scum based off of an illogical argument.

##vote SnB

this only makes sense if you flip the people you say he's defending and they flip mafia. you don't lynch someone for defending unflipped, potential mafia -.-

We can lynch them too! I've been championing CR all day.

##unvote SnB
##vote CR

Like, I really don't care. We have to kill of people we think are scum. I think both of them are scum. I'm still kinda considering the fact that SnB might be a maf PR based off of how easily the rally onto our first lynch went, which might lean me towards lynching him over the others, but whatever. Scum is scum is scum.
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
June 20 2014 18:20 GMT
#4751
Vote Count - Day 4:


Chairman Ray (4): marvellosity, roundabound, ExO_, Holyflare, roundabound
Ketomai (1): rainbows
TicaTica (1): 27ninjabunnies
StrongandBig (0): roundabound
ritoky (1): VayneAuthority

Not voting (-): Scruffy-looking nerf-herders



Currently Chairman Ray is set to be lynched with 4 votes! Day will end in

Remember: Voting is mandatory and has to be done in this thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451311-tl-order-lxvi-thread-for-doing-of-the-voting
If there is a tie, the first person to reach that number of votes is lynched.

Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you!
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
June 20 2014 18:22 GMT
#4752
On June 21 2014 03:20 Amiko wrote:
Vote Count - Day 4:


Ketomai (1): rainbows
TicaTica (1): 27ninjabunnies
StrongandBig (0): roundabound
ritoky (1): VayneAuthority

These need to be consolidated at some point, either onto CR or one of the other 4.
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
June 20 2014 18:29 GMT
#4753
On June 21 2014 03:10 Holyflare wrote:
what were you expecting me to say -.-


I was expecting your reads to be completely different than mine.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 20 2014 19:12 GMT
#4754
Guys, we really need to get off me here. I want SnB to be lynched today.

On top of all the other cases I have posted on SnB, his overall activity really shows mafia. I know that a lot of the people who flipped town and also myself have dwindled in activity. The difference between all the inactives that flipped VT and SnB is that the VTs have really tried at some point in the game. SnB had a medium level of posts at the start, to very little at the moment, but what stayed constant was his level of trying. If you look through his filter, he has never tried to give any in depth cases or try to scumhunt.

His most recent case was a unnecessarily long post that just said "Holy or Round are scum because they are pushing less active people". He spent the time tabulating everyone's filter lengths, and then his entire evidence and case by saying "Actually wait fuck none of the three of them have discernible scum reads on people who aren't sinani and below, at least not that are mentioned in their last several pages. This is another reason I hate the spammy reactive style, makes it impossible to figure anything out". This shows that he just wrote that entire post on the fly without having the reads or evidence beforehand. Seems like a mafia thing to do to show activity.

I did some more filter diving, and if SnB flips mafia, then I'm thinking a very likely scumteam may be strongandbig, Chromatically, Ketomai, kushm4sta, Holyflare, and TheKingoftheCats. I'll push on these people after flip.

##Vote: strongandbig
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
June 20 2014 19:25 GMT
#4755
SnB is scummy for defending these people regardless of what they flip.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 20 2014 19:38 GMT
#4756
On June 21 2014 02:39 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2014 02:29 strongandbig wrote:
On June 21 2014 00:17 roundabound wrote:
SnB,

That may be the laziest, most convoluted scumhunting I've EVER seen. That's not even a case against anyone. That's just a terrible assumption based off of people's laziness?

I don't understand how anyone can actually believe that people who are trying to solve the game are scum.

Like, you're sincere in your belief that if I were to sit here and not post and not give reads, I would be town? Are you out of your fucking mind? The reason that people who haven't posted a lot are scum is because they're not giving reads. it's because they're not doing anything to try to solve the game. Yourself included! Get outta here with your shitty ass illogical bullshit.

No I'm saying that you (or holy flare or both) are scum because you have no scum reads among anyone who's been posting more than sinani. You're just rolling with a dressed up form of "low post = scum" when it's been clearly proven wrong already this game.


why bother making stuff up? I clearly made a lot of cases each night thinking i would die on people that weren't just lurkers and when half the game is classified as lurkers it's kind of hard not to

total cop out especially when you just go ahead and assume the mafia nk intentions like that

How am I supposed to find them you have like 23 pages

There is none of that in like the last threeish pages of your filter.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 20 2014 19:40 GMT
#4757
On June 21 2014 02:59 marvellosity wrote:
generally speaking several people have pushed the fallacious argument "several lurkers have flipped town, so pushing lurkers is shown to be bad". Not a good argument. Realistically a much higher proportion of lurkers are going to be mafia now that we cleared out a bunch of town lurkers :/

The point is that if you're assuming a connection between activity and townieness you are wrong.

Anyway what about my argument that (a) there must be more active mafias, and (b) it'll be easier to get them lynched if you are still alive to herd townies
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 20 2014 19:41 GMT
#4758
On June 21 2014 04:25 Rainbows wrote:
SnB is scummy for defending these people regardless of what they flip.

Derp
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 20 2014 19:42 GMT
#4759
On June 21 2014 03:13 roundabound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2014 02:59 marvellosity wrote:
generally speaking several people have pushed the fallacious argument "several lurkers have flipped town, so pushing lurkers is shown to be bad". Not a good argument. Realistically a much higher proportion of lurkers are going to be mafia now that we cleared out a bunch of town lurkers :/

Other people have thrown it out there and then backed up off of it. I don't recall SnB mentioning it before, and now he is building "a case" against people because of it. In fact, this is the only contribution he's had ALL GAME. Not only that, but he is probably just trying to piggy back the concept from the people who have posted about it previously, tryna re-inseminate the idea into peoples' minds..

I'll inseminate your mind


Physically





With my genitals
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 20 2014 19:44 GMT
#4760
On June 21 2014 04:38 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2014 02:39 Holyflare wrote:
On June 21 2014 02:29 strongandbig wrote:
On June 21 2014 00:17 roundabound wrote:
SnB,

That may be the laziest, most convoluted scumhunting I've EVER seen. That's not even a case against anyone. That's just a terrible assumption based off of people's laziness?

I don't understand how anyone can actually believe that people who are trying to solve the game are scum.

Like, you're sincere in your belief that if I were to sit here and not post and not give reads, I would be town? Are you out of your fucking mind? The reason that people who haven't posted a lot are scum is because they're not giving reads. it's because they're not doing anything to try to solve the game. Yourself included! Get outta here with your shitty ass illogical bullshit.

No I'm saying that you (or holy flare or both) are scum because you have no scum reads among anyone who's been posting more than sinani. You're just rolling with a dressed up form of "low post = scum" when it's been clearly proven wrong already this game.


why bother making stuff up? I clearly made a lot of cases each night thinking i would die on people that weren't just lurkers and when half the game is classified as lurkers it's kind of hard not to

total cop out especially when you just go ahead and assume the mafia nk intentions like that

How am I supposed to find them you have like 23 pages

There is none of that in like the last threeish pages of your filter.


If you are going to scumread holy for not pushing on certain people, you gotta base it on more than his last 3 pages. Go to his filter, hit All to bring up everything, and ctrl+f people's names and you'll find everyone he's talked about.
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