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On June 18 2014 11:56 batsnacks wrote: Roundabound, poofter, and sinani were my initial scum reads day 1. None of them ever sufficiently convinced me otherwise, but poofter flipped town so I was at least wrong about him. Bunnies' play is very similar to last game when she was mafia; it is worth mentioning I guessed her alignment correctly last game. One of marv/hf is mafia in my opinion because there is no way they are both still alive as town. Sand/MIF because afk scum tactics. CR maybe because he came into the thread all thoughtful, thorough and trying but now he doesn't care. I'm going to have to look at your reasoning on the first three. Also, I'm going to check on the validity of the 27nb read. I disagree with the marv/hf reasoning in principle, as I've seen marv left alive for days and days and days as a town leader before. Sand/MIF isn't stunning reasoning, but meh. CR is definitely somewhat believable. Overall, though, at least you had some reasons when I put you on the spot. | ||
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On June 18 2014 10:49 TicaTica wrote: I'm going to go ahead and say it. I think Banks and bunnies are both mafia. This is more gut from what I remember of their posting than anything else. dumb tell? | ||
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On June 18 2014 20:45 yamato77 wrote: I'm going to have to look at your reasoning on the first three. Also, I'm going to check on the validity of the 27nb read. I disagree with the marv/hf reasoning in principle, as I've seen marv left alive for days and days and days as a town leader before. Sand/MIF isn't stunning reasoning, but meh. CR is definitely somewhat believable. Overall, though, at least you had some reasons when I put you on the spot. Looking at my database, I can't see anything obvious. YOSO I was left alive as a replacement even though we just lynched mafia one after another. Maybe Les Mafia I was vaguely town-leadery and left alive? Other than that I can't see anywhere obvious where I was left alive beyond 3 cycles. | ||
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yeah. also shows the value of his gut reads. although bunnies much more likely to be mafia than poof in general anyway. | ||
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On June 18 2014 20:49 marvellosity wrote: Looking at my database, I can't see anything obvious. YOSO I was left alive as a replacement even though we just lynched mafia one after another. Maybe Les Mafia I was vaguely town-leadery and left alive? Other than that I can't see anywhere obvious where I was left alive beyond 3 cycles. Maybe left alive isn't the right phrase. You've been KEPT alive as town many times. FiveTouch, themed games, etc. Really, though, it's not that unbelievable that you've been protected twice. Also, it's insanely unlikely that you're mafia just on the basis that you lynched a scum D1. You literally found him, caught him, and then got him lynched yourself without anyone having mentioned the read or him having been a real lynch candidate. You wouldn't do that as mafia for any reason. The last time I remember you leading a D1 lynch as mafia, you made sure it was a mislynch in Desert Mafia. | ||
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Choosing between sand/MIF does seem dreadfully boring, though. I guess that's why you guys avoided it yesterday. | ||
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Immediately I don't like how he goes about his read on roundabound. On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote: He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote: Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. This makes no sense. Robik responds to the accusation in the first post only for batsnacks to say his reply has nothing to do with the game. On June 11 2014 06:18 batsnacks wrote: Points you raised: 1. "stupid ass shit" 2. "I'm not mafia, so your logic is terrible" 3. "lern2play" 4. Everyone is a pussy Good work Again, he is apparently blatantly misinterpreting Robik's posts in an effort to antagonize him, yet: On June 11 2014 06:26 batsnacks wrote: You know at first I was just giving you a hard time but now... yeah the vote sticks. Apparently it's legitimate enough in batsnacks-land that Robik is actually mafia for this sequence of posts. Yeah, no. On June 11 2014 11:29 batsnacks wrote: Okay I'm caught up here's my notes so far: Sinani - Scum. He treads too lightly and unsuccessfully tries to dodge the spotlight. He tries to direct the spotlight away from himself. Chairman Ray - Too impressive a performance to be town. Leaning heavily toward mafia. tehpoofer - Scum. My notes say "gave a lame apology." Voted roundabout for bad reasons, then unvoted roundabout for equally bad reasons. Voted for Koshi and switched soon after without pressuring Koshi at all. Soft defended sinani early on, then voted him for bad reasons, then unvoted him for bad reasons. Noticing a pattern. Tries to look like he's "helping" by pointing out when the thread started for kush. Tries to look like he's "helping" by explaining what a hydra is. Tries to look like he's "helping" by explaining what OMGUS means. Paraphrases other people's posts for them. roundabout - Will probably be my vote for the rest of day 1. Looked way too nervous when I went after him early. Plus I hate hydras. vayne - Skipped early game. Skipped more because "migraine." FOS sandroba - Gets town cred for calling out Koshi first. exo - "I'm new guys please take it easy on me." FOS Bill Murray - My notes say "he liked exo's early posts." All of exo's early posts were questions about terminology that he could have easily googled. FOS TicaTica - Expert troll? Null read. So this is batsnack's "reads post" that I have quite a few problems with. I don't understand his characterization of sinani's play at all. Sinani never seemed to be diverting attention or anything of the sort. His posting style was odd to me, but never did I get this sort of feeling from him. His reasoning on CR being mafia sounds like an outright fabrication. Too good to be town? I don't believe it. I'll ignore the poofter read because he's flipped town. His read on Robik makes very little sense. In what way was Robik's posting (check it up there) nervous? "Plus I hate hydras" sounds like a fabricated reason added to give the read more legitimacy since it is obviously lacking, but it fails to do so. He mentions sandro in black (I guess a null read?) and says he gets towncred for calling out Koshi, yet hasn't mentioned Koshi in this post, or in his filter at all yet. His other 4 null reads have shallow explanations tied to them; there's not much to say except that they really mean nothing at all. On June 11 2014 12:13 batsnacks wrote: Chairman that post is going to be really difficult to respond to because of all the quotes and formatting. I hope you won't mind if I take the lazy approach. 1. About sinani. There are specific posts but I don't feel like finding them. My notes are just my general feelings about the thread so far. Maybe my feelings are too metaphorical but at least I'm sharing them. 2. About you. Your posts are too intelligent and thorough. Are those better adjectives than "impressive"? 3. About tehpoofer. I believe everything I mentioned is alignment indicative. His posts have the theme of appearing to help but in ways that don't actually benefit town. 4. About Palmar. Palmar only made one "skip" post. Vayne made two consecutive "skip" posts. That's a big difference. 5. About sandroba. It's town indicative because I would have done the same thing. That thing that you said BillyMurray did either didn't make my notes because I interpreted whatever it was differently or because I missed it. 6. About exo. He posts only to benefit himself, not town. If I were newb town and didn't know what hydras or OMGUSing was I would make damn sure I couldn't educate myself before I asked in the thread. 7. About TicaTica. I commented on TicaTica because he made me laugh a couple times which I have never done as a result of TL mafia prior. Defending his reads. Nothing new in this post. Not exactly what I would hope for as a follow-up to his previous post. Want more substance. On June 11 2014 12:21 batsnacks wrote: That's weird Tica I thought Chairman was my weakest read so far. Notable because Chair was apparently scummy enough to be red (not black!) yet one of his weakest reads. Makes no sense. On June 11 2014 13:31 batsnacks wrote: Look I like everything you said I think it's great. I read the whole thing. You got an A+ on your homework for sure. I really, really, really hate that you commented on everything I said in the order I said it in both posts though. If you are mafia which I think you probably are, that's the only thing you should have changed to make it better. ... What? On June 12 2014 03:57 batsnacks wrote: Cats, I said using nicknames was a scum tactic 30 minutes after the game started. I wasn't being serious about that. That isn't why I'm voting roundabout. I still don't really know why he's voting round. On June 12 2014 10:35 batsnacks wrote: People voting ketomai: Why vote vayne or mattisfoolish? Perhaps I'm missing context, but this seems like his first mention of MiF, and his second mention of Vayne, yet I think he is still voting round here? Yet more inexplicable reads. On June 12 2014 13:38 batsnacks wrote: Even before ketomai posted his promised analysis post I think he contributed more to the thread than VA and mattisfoolish. If we're going to lynch a lurker why not lynch the worst offenders? VA at least seems to be reading the thread because every time someone mentions his name he responds. He just chooses to make all of his responses meaningless. Ketomai, like I said even before the analysis post, was doing better than that. Then there's mattisfoolish who, even as a hydra, still only has two posts; a vote and a comment about how me and CR were fighting. Motivation is obviously to get votes off ketomai, not really to push a lynch on the others. Does he really think keto is town? If he calls him a lurker, why does he care if he gets lynched? Not liking a MiF lynch based on this, purely because batsnacks gives me bad vibes and his casual mention of MiF here is disturbing. Kind of spewing him town if batsnacks if actually mafia. On June 13 2014 04:06 batsnacks wrote: Why did everyone wait until now to vote cats? The reasons marv and others are giving happened yesterday. You guys could have voted him then. What changed? On June 13 2014 04:17 batsnacks wrote: I think kingofcats is a bad lynch. I have been kind of trolly this game and cats fell victim because he read my filter first and wasn't keeping up with the thread. On June 13 2014 04:34 batsnacks wrote: what I meant to say was that if cats is mafia etc.... On June 13 2014 04:46 batsnacks wrote: There are people commenting that kush is an excellent target but then vote cats because vig can just shoot kush. Defending the flipped mafia/arguing against his lynch. He champions the kush lynch apparently only because holy said something about it (he hadn't mentioned kush before) On June 13 2014 05:01 Amiko wrote: Day 1 - Final Vote Count: Palmar (0): yamato77 (0): roundabound (0): sinani206 (0): Koshi (0): TicaTica (0): ExO_ (1): sandroba, HolyFlare (0): Bill Murray (0): ketomai (2): batsnacks (0): Meapak_Ziphh (1): Mattisfoolish, tehpoofter (0): strongandbig (4): Chairman Ray (1): Marvellosity (0): VayneAuthority (3): yamato77, kushm4sta, Meapak_Ziphh Chromatically (1): ritoky ritoky (1): kushm4sta (4): justanothertownie (0): ObiWanShinobi (0): TheKingOfTheCats (11): marvellosity, Palmar, justanothertownie, ObiWanShinobi, Koshi, strongandbig, VayneAuthority, Bill Murray, sinani206, Chromatically, Tehpoofter Not voting (1): Erandorr TheKingOfTheCats was lynched with 11 votes! Night 1 will end in Doing some VCA, we see he voted with the confirmed mafia on one of the other competing wagons. I really see no reason to believe his reads or to trust his motivations in defend cats, again, who he had never mentioned before the post where he calls him a bad lynch. Just off of D1 alone, the dude is plainly mafia IMO. | ||
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On June 18 2014 21:12 marvellosity wrote: gonna make sure you check in before lynch? i may be switching to sandroba later. I'd rather you voted snacks with me. | ||
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On June 18 2014 21:39 marvellosity wrote: the problem is, KotC attacked batsnacks in a really dumb way. it really didn't look like mafia on mafia. It doesn't but he does just kinda drop it out of the blue and go for kush. | ||
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