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On June 11 2014 16:06 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 15:31 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 11 2014 14:15 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 14:09 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 11 2014 14:06 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 14:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
well...you should.
i actually had a mental image of the entire scumteam and had the three players that really matched that profile, and then didnt vote one of them when it really mattered.
its pretty much exactly what you dont do when you have strong reads. As soon as I stop getting this error message I will be happy to oblige. Until then, yeah, I like what Chairman Ray said because I appreciate good mafia play AND I still think he's scum. Are you claiming that town players will always play off-the-cuff? ALWAYS is a bad word to use in mafia. Your posts in general are guilty of generalizing how mafia is played. Add that to the problems I have with what you've contributed. Firstly, you have not given any response to my criticisms of you. All you did was try to redirection suspicions onto me. Secondly, you did the exact same thing with the question I just asked you. Thirdly, you took the word 'always' completely out of context in order to make it look like I made a blanket statement. It is very clear this isn't the case. I made a one line question so there wasn't much for you to read. I don't believe for a second that you made a reading error. This mistake was done intentionally. If you are wondering why I asked you that question, it was because you base your entire read off of me because you saw ONE person do something similar. A sample size of ONE. In order for you to make this read, you would have to have seen ZERO town play similarly. This is why I asked you believe that a town will always play off-the-cuff. I'm gonna stop right here because you like me to keep things short. But it's pretty clear you are playing this way intentionally. You are intentionally avoiding any criticism or question I have of you. You are willingly taking people's posts out of context and selecting those that are convenient to your scumreads while ignoring everything else. You have very arbitrary standards as to what you find towny and what you find scummy. Putting myself in your shoes, I can't picture the things you have said to be from someone trying to find out who's town and who's mafia. You clearly have the motivations of someone who's trying to look active, and trying to get a mislynch happening. I have a fairly strong read that you are mafia. ##Unvote
##Vote: batsnacks First, I gave you a response, if you didn't like my response fine, but that's not the same as me not giving one. Secondly, I scum read you first. That isn't "redirecting" suspicion. It was already there. Third, I didn't take 'always' out of context. In that question you were asking me to say that town ALWAYS acts a certain way. That is the definition of a blanket statement. You are asking me to commit a blanket statement about how town behaves every game. I'm not going to do that. Fourth, I didn't base my entire read off of you because I saw "ONE" person do something similar. I brought up that specific example when I was talking to obiwan because me and obiwan were both in that game and I thought it would be relevant to him. Fifth, it's about time you voted me.
When I gave my mafia read on you and when I asked you the follow up question, your response was simply to restate your scumread on me instead of talking about any of the points that I have raised. I do not consider this as a proper response but if you would like to consider it as not liking the response, I'm also okay with that. We both know exactly was said and naming it one way or another changes nothing.
I still believe that you are taking 'always' out of context. You initially accused me of generalizing because I used the word 'always' in a blanket statement when in fact I was accusing you of doing this. These are two very different things and there's no mistaking one for the other. It was evident that you were generalizing when your entire defense was that you saw someone in a previous game with some similarities. You had no analysis on why being 'careful' or 'thorough' was scummy. How am I supposed to interpret this? How is anyone else supposed to interpret this? Given that this was just an example and you do have some reasoning in your mind, I'm willing to drop this, but I would still be delighted to know your reasoning.
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On June 11 2014 16:49 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 16:38 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 11 2014 16:06 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 15:31 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 11 2014 14:15 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 14:09 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 11 2014 14:06 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 14:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
well...you should.
i actually had a mental image of the entire scumteam and had the three players that really matched that profile, and then didnt vote one of them when it really mattered.
its pretty much exactly what you dont do when you have strong reads. As soon as I stop getting this error message I will be happy to oblige. Until then, yeah, I like what Chairman Ray said because I appreciate good mafia play AND I still think he's scum. Are you claiming that town players will always play off-the-cuff? ALWAYS is a bad word to use in mafia. Your posts in general are guilty of generalizing how mafia is played. Add that to the problems I have with what you've contributed. Firstly, you have not given any response to my criticisms of you. All you did was try to redirection suspicions onto me. Secondly, you did the exact same thing with the question I just asked you. Thirdly, you took the word 'always' completely out of context in order to make it look like I made a blanket statement. It is very clear this isn't the case. I made a one line question so there wasn't much for you to read. I don't believe for a second that you made a reading error. This mistake was done intentionally. If you are wondering why I asked you that question, it was because you base your entire read off of me because you saw ONE person do something similar. A sample size of ONE. In order for you to make this read, you would have to have seen ZERO town play similarly. This is why I asked you believe that a town will always play off-the-cuff. I'm gonna stop right here because you like me to keep things short. But it's pretty clear you are playing this way intentionally. You are intentionally avoiding any criticism or question I have of you. You are willingly taking people's posts out of context and selecting those that are convenient to your scumreads while ignoring everything else. You have very arbitrary standards as to what you find towny and what you find scummy. Putting myself in your shoes, I can't picture the things you have said to be from someone trying to find out who's town and who's mafia. You clearly have the motivations of someone who's trying to look active, and trying to get a mislynch happening. I have a fairly strong read that you are mafia. ##Unvote
##Vote: batsnacks First, I gave you a response, if you didn't like my response fine, but that's not the same as me not giving one. Secondly, I scum read you first. That isn't "redirecting" suspicion. It was already there. Third, I didn't take 'always' out of context. In that question you were asking me to say that town ALWAYS acts a certain way. That is the definition of a blanket statement. You are asking me to commit a blanket statement about how town behaves every game. I'm not going to do that. Fourth, I didn't base my entire read off of you because I saw "ONE" person do something similar. I brought up that specific example when I was talking to obiwan because me and obiwan were both in that game and I thought it would be relevant to him. Fifth, it's about time you voted me. When I gave my mafia read on you and when I asked you the follow up question, your response was simply to restate your scumread on me instead of talking about any of the points that I have raised. I do not consider this as a proper response but if you would like to consider it as not liking the response, I'm also okay with that. We both know exactly was said and naming it one way or another changes nothing. I still believe that you are taking 'always' out of context. You initially accused me of generalizing because I used the word 'always' in a blanket statement when in fact I was accusing you of doing this. These are two very different things and there's no mistaking one for the other. It was evident that you were generalizing when your entire defense was that you saw someone in a previous game with some similarities. You had no analysis on why being 'careful' or 'thorough' was scummy. How am I supposed to interpret this? How is anyone else supposed to interpret this? Given that this was just an example and you do have some reasoning in your mind, I'm willing to drop this, but I would still be delighted to know your reasoning. I responded to every point you made as best I could. Yes I restated the point I made about you with different adjectives, but if you read some of my other posts in that time frame you will notice I mentioned that you, at the time, were my weakest read. This is when I point out that you have made a bigger deal out of that than anything anyone has done in this game so far. About the second part, sorry I thought you were trying to trap me into making a blanket statement. Which, read it again from my perspective please: Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 14:09 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 11 2014 14:06 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 14:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
well...you should.
i actually had a mental image of the entire scumteam and had the three players that really matched that profile, and then didnt vote one of them when it really mattered.
its pretty much exactly what you dont do when you have strong reads. As soon as I stop getting this error message I will be happy to oblige. Until then, yeah, I like what Chairman Ray said because I appreciate good mafia play AND I still think he's scum. Are you claiming that town players will always play off-the-cuff? I don't think it was unreasonable for me to think that. Do I think that town players will usually play off-the-cuff as compared to mafia? Yes. "Usually" and "always" are hugely different though.
I like this response a lot more. Clears up a lot. Thanks
##Unvote
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I'm here now, gonna catch up on the posts.
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Haven't fully caught up yet, but I'm gonna address a few things that people have said about me
On June 12 2014 04:58 gumshoe wrote:Hey, just caught up in a blitz. Here are my notes / : + Show Spoiler +Chanman = town for brave gallows houmer
Palmer= neutral claim, fits? Maybs kill? Him bieng grey would explain his ambivilance, but if he was actually third party would he be so cavalier about it?
Chrom= Town for yolo push onto Koshi, posts do seem well thought out too.
Tehpoofter= redish for wanting spam?
Round= talking alot, not sure scum can play so fluid. Robik is known to be pretty emotional so the whole peronsal defence thing is in character.
bats= Aggresive. Dont like how everything reafirms his own bias, but his activity is helpful to town as a whole so townie?
Jat= Dont like how he tries t interject in the bat round fight. Will read more into him
Sinani- Unspoken tryst with round? Attacks other not quite as active players? Scumish?
Ritoky = town for brazen freedom mongering
Marv= null, biding his time one way or another. Dont like the whole “your bad and you should feel bad.” attitude he has regarding accusations.
Tica Tica= not sure why hes calling back to plam? Feels townie cause hes clearing names and picking out odd targets. Doesnt feel like he has an agenda?
Tefpoof= odd koshi attack? Dont like how he wanted to catch Marv for the sake of catching marv, feels like seeding?
Meapak= Null? Wierdness obscures actual motives? Reads Marv as scum, will need to see more of him
Vayne= Skips a bunch of pages? Not sure scum would feel safe enough to do that? Belies a sense of isolation or potentially scummy laziness. Hard to say.
Kush= null
Chairman= Dont like how he basically says he doesnt like a whole post, then proceeds to break it apart bit by bit. Yet doesnt make an accusation out of it? Feels like hes trying to get other townies to jump, as if “take your pick folks! I cant eat another bite / :” scummy, will elaborate on him.
Exo= Scared to rush out opinions? Scumish
Bill murray= Insane
Yamato is fearless= town
Rainbows= Like his whole “these guys are on the same page as me, and have the same process, I'm town ergo so are they!” Not necessarily right but reads as a townie mentality. Dont like this post by Chairman Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 11:52 Chairman Ray wrote:batsnacks, I do not fully understand your post, and was hoping you could clarify a few thing for me: On June 11 2014 11:29 batsnacks wrote:
Okay I'm caught up here's my notes so far:
Sinani - Scum. He treads too lightly and unsuccessfully tries to dodge the spotlight. He tries to direct the spotlight away from himself. Do you have specific posts? I feel you are speaking too metaphorically and I don't actually see what you mean in his filter. Chairman Ray - Too impressive a performance to be town. Leaning heavily toward mafia. I'm not sure how to respond to this. What does "too impressive" mean? tehpoofer - Scum. My notes say "gave a lame apology." Voted roundabout for bad reasons, then unvoted roundabout for equally bad reasons. Voted for Koshi and switched soon after without pressuring Koshi at all. Soft defended sinani early on, then voted him for bad reasons, then unvoted him for bad reasons. Noticing a pattern. Tries to look like he's "helping" by pointing out when the thread started for kush. Tries to look like he's "helping" by explaining what a hydra is. Tries to look like he's "helping" by explaining what OMGUS means. Paraphrases other people's posts for them. tehpoofer made a ton of posts today and you have summarized a few of them. Can you explain why these posts you have selected are alignment indicative, and what you think about all his other posts? vayne - Skipped early game. Skipped more because "migraine." FOS Palmer has skipped the game thus far because of dota. Why is he not on your FOS? sandroba - Gets town cred for calling out Koshi first Why is this town indicative? Why doesn't Bill Murray get town cred from calling out roundabout's sheeping the wrong player? exo - "I'm new guys please take it easy on me." FOS Why is this suspicious behavior? Bill Murray - My notes say "he liked exo's early posts." All of exo's early posts were questions about terminology that he could have easily googled. FOS Exo has made posts that are not just asking for terminology. Why did you discount these posts? TicaTica - Expert troll? Null read. Why did you give TicaTica a null read with no real explanation, and not included any of the other people who have posted in this thread? What I get from it is that he basically didnt like Bats whole post, but doesn't immediately jump on him for it? The way he so cleanly spread out his greivances, it feels like hes trying to offer everyone something to pounce on, but doesnt peronally leap on any of it himself. When the opposite happens, and people jump on him for the shoddy post, he comes out swinging, but drops the read after just a couple hours when no one really agrees with him / : Notably Bat was an enemy of Rounds, as was Chair man. Did he bilieve they were scum together? Cause he never took back his read on round. Honestly it seems as if the heat on Round died down a bit and he came after Bat because thats the conflict he was most familiar with ( when your maf you tend to focus more on the events that directly concern you and as a result your accusations lean that way because those are the matters your best versed in.) Yeah not a fan of the Chair....Man
I did not immediately jump on batsnacks for his first post because there was not enough to indicate his alignment. He threw a lot of conclusions with very little reasoning behind them. It was important to know if these conclusions are just thrown out randomly and if these conclusions have any indication of alignment. That's why I asked follow-up questions to every one of his reads.
I don't quite understand your second bit, but I'll try to give the best answer I can. Yesterday I focused on three key interactions - the one regarding round, the one regarding koshi, and the one regarding bat. Round and Koshi's matters did not involve me at all. Bat's matter stuck out to me because he had me as a scumread for a very questionable reason. When someone gives you a scumread, you will prioritize it regardless if you are town or mafia.
On June 12 2014 05:29 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 05:19 gumshoe wrote:On June 12 2014 05:08 Chromatically wrote:
gumshoe, I couldn't help but notice that your post is lacking a read on Koshi. Care to indulge me? I liked your push onto him, but I'm not a fan of how quickly the wagon picked up speed. That and alota people I don't like have been taking sucker punches at Koshi throughout the game ( namely chairman). As for the contradiction, it looks bad, but as someone who contradicts himself constantly I can totally see it coming out of town Koshi. Lastly, saying your gonna play awesome then not posting for ages is sorta asking to get lynched, scum Koshi is more careful that that / : I could be wrong( not a foreign state for me ) but at the moment I much rather lynch chair and I'd like to see what Koshi contributes while not under threat of lynch. I can agree with gumshoe on CR. Like I mentioned, CR's initial attack on koshi seemed to be gathering towncred in later stages of the game by referencing to it. I don't see a need for town to do it. All the votes on koshi were... weird. Rainbows and ticatica just sat on the koshiwagon and drove off together. Not a good sign tbh. My vote on koshi is a placeholder. Now that he deviates off his HUGE ASS POST PLAYMAKER style, he seemed to be more obnoxious than ever. Its hard to find obnoxious scum who might succumb to a policy lynch. ##Vote:Chairman Ray
Just to clear things up, I did not attack Koshi; I defended him. If you are still interested, do you want to reread the part, or should I give you a quick summary?
On June 12 2014 07:32 ExO_ wrote:
Chairman has gone quiet after having some of the longest analysis I've seen. I find the silence odd, and as I said earlier I found him to be either very overconfident in his own analyses or have knowledge the rest of us don't by which to make them. So I'm going to vote Chairman for the time being.
##Vote Chairman
I was away for only 14 hours, because I need to sleep and go to work in the morning. Is this an actual scumread on me, or did you just want to put my name back on the table for your other read?
In terms of me being overconfident, can you point out where this is evident? I understand that if someone seems to know other people's alignments, they are likely to be mafia, but the only person that I've really had a read on was round, and I think he's mafia. I'm leaning town on Koshi, and I need to reevaluate bat, but I'm leaning mafia.
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Okay, two people who I want to lynch today - roundabound and strongnbig.
Roundabound - He was super active yesterday when the heat was on him. He has one of the longest filters out of everyone. Today these are all the posts he has made:
On June 12 2014 09:28 roundabound wrote:
Hi,
BM went from ugly duckling into beautiful swan.
##Unvote
Robik is flying & im playing video mafia.
Defaulting to Ketomai who hasnt provided any of his promised analysis.
##Vote: Ketomai
~moc
On June 12 2014 09:34 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 09:31 Erandorr wrote:
why isnt foolishness doing something you can sheep did those guys get scum this game Where are you up to in the thread, pls ~moc
On June 12 2014 09:39 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 09:36 Erandorr wrote:On June 12 2014 09:34 roundabound wrote:On June 12 2014 09:31 Erandorr wrote:
why isnt foolishness doing something you can sheep did those guys get scum this game Where are you up to in the thread, pls ~moc im doing filter reading right now of people who I know can be useful except marv hes a spammer Do what you want. My suggestion is to read the thread. Theres still 24hrs. Selective reading, produces selective context, and meaningless reads. ~moc
On June 12 2014 10:04 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 09:45 Erandorr wrote:On June 12 2014 09:39 roundabound wrote:On June 12 2014 09:36 Erandorr wrote:On June 12 2014 09:34 roundabound wrote:On June 12 2014 09:31 Erandorr wrote:
why isnt foolishness doing something you can sheep did those guys get scum this game Where are you up to in the thread, pls ~moc im doing filter reading right now of people who I know can be useful except marv hes a spammer Do what you want. My suggestion is to read the thread. Theres still 24hrs. Selective reading, produces selective context, and meaningless reads. ~moc If you think that I have enough time to read the entire thread and think selective reading produces bad reads that do not benifit town and probably by that logic let scum get away with bad posting, you still would let me do what I want? You are so sweet I try to be as accommodating to all types of filth. Thank you for the kind words. ~moc
First he dropped a vote on Ketomai. Ketomai promised many times that he was going to give some reads today. I also hold Ketomai to his promise, but when this vote was made, the day was still early. Round didn't even wait to see if Ketomai would deliver or not. This seems to me like a very forced reason to vote.
All the other posts in this day have been interacting with Erandor, who just arrived at the thread. Round is obviously active at this time, but this is the only activity that he could provide. It seems to me like he wants to seem active but doesn't want to participate in any real discourse at hand.
Now let's look at strong's posts:
On June 11 2014 23:41 strongandbig wrote:
Finished reading through page 48 on phone
Have to go to work
Some notes to calm thy tits, thread:
Townish:
- chromatically
Scummish:
- palmar not trying on day 1
- koshi for pretty random townreads and listpost
- rainbows bad reasoning for scum read on koshi. Tries to make something shitty up, indicates he's not comfortable just agreeing with good reasoning already posted - indicates selfconscious mafia.
Good args:
- chromatically on why sinani is scum
- mz on why round is scum
- koshi on why tica is scum
- (sort of good) round on why ketomi is scum
On June 12 2014 04:14 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 13:23 batsnacks wrote:
Chairman, without reading the above post, I really wish both your posts about me weren't perfectly sequential dissections of literally everything I said. Stupid Everyone is stupid
On June 12 2014 04:17 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 13:31 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 13:26 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 11 2014 13:23 batsnacks wrote:
Chairman, without reading the above post, I really wish both your posts about me weren't perfectly sequential dissections of literally everything I said. Sorry, I'll try to keep it brief from now on. You can just read the "Overall" statement at the end Look I like everything you said I think it's great. I read the whole thing. You got an A+ on your homework for sure. I really, really, really hate that you commented on everything I said in the order I said it in both posts though. If you are mafia which I think you probably are, that's the only thing you should have changed to make it better. This is stupid. There's nothing wrong with an in-depth post by post analysis and the fact that newer players don't know this is just a sign of how spammy and annoying the meta has gotten .
On June 12 2014 04:55 strongandbig wrote:
Blergh caught up with the thread and lunch is over
[complain about spam, maybe if I do it more it's likely to work]
Anyway, I would kill koshi right now. Don't have anything new to add, I like chromatic ally's case
Also would still kill rainbows
1st and 4th post are just random summaries. The 2nd and 3rd posts are very indicative of scum. Strongandbig is active at this time, and the only thing he posts about is something non-alignment indicative and happened like 15 pages ago. This is clearly an attempt to seem like he's engaged in the conversation when he's actually avoiding it altogether.
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On June 12 2014 11:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
chairman, why is roundabound scum? you say its because he voted ketomai because its early in the day, even though its not really early and ketomai clearly made a promise to deliver and didnt.
i fail to see the issue with either of these players and that "analysis" really bothers me.
On June 12 2014 11:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
actually, since youre posting so much analysis on other players, lets see some on ketomai.
after all, hes a hot topic for you and you kind of overlook his broken promise and the fact that moc has a natural progression of reads...
Regarding ketomai, he was active yesterday between 7 and 8 PST. He said he was going to post his read the next day. I was waiting until after his active period until I call him out on his promises. It's unfair to give someone a scumread for not delivering before they come on. Given that ketomai has posted some reads, this issue is no longer relevant.
Just to elaborate on my issue with those two players, I find it scummy when players are active, but their posts are not very productive. From a town perspective, a town will have the incentive to participate in the discussion at hand, and if there is not enough discussion, promote more discussion. A mafia already knows who everyone is, so discussion doesn't really benefit them directly and they're not likely to put in all the time and effort doing so. What mafia wants is to blend in and look like they are being active. The easiest way to do this is to make posts that don't require you to really read the thread or cause a lot of people to reply to you. This is evident in round's posts when he chose to interact with a new player coming in. This doesn't require him to read any of the discussion that's going on, and there's nothing to reply to those posts. Since round gave an excuse on both their absences today, I'll re-evaluate on this point. In strongandbig's posts, he picked on some weaker posts that were made like 15 pages ago. Those posts were not even relevant to the discussion at hand and had already been dealt with ages ago.
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Peaking in before voting deadline. Don't think I can catch up on 300 posts in time. Anything really important happen?
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Just as a heads up, I'm not gonna be around during the nightphase, will be on for a bit tomorrow, and be active again Saturday. Cya!
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@Rainbows
Thinking the same thing regarding Haru. I was gonna post a case on him tomorrow when I have a good chunk of free time, but looks like you've done most of the work for me ^^. Just a couple things I would like to add though.
Firstly his case against me. I was sort of bothered by how he thought I was attacking Koshi. My case was defending Koshi, but with some comments earlier about some things in Koshi's post that read scummy to me. This seems to me like he didn't really read it fully. It would make sense is Haru already knew that he's going to give a scumread on me, and then looked through my filter to find something, started reading up until the point where I say Koshi is sorta scummy, and then assumed the rest was gonna be the same.
After that, everything he did at the end of the day was really fishy. Firstly when SnB became the leading vote, Haru posted his case on him. There were many cases posted on why SnB may be scum, so if Haru read them and agreed with them, as town he would just say he agrees and put in a vote. If Haru didn't read the cases on SnB, then by some coincidence, out of everyone he investigated, he came up with same conclusion as the current wagon at the same time as well. But if this were the case, his read on SnB would be a lot more detailed and actually explain some evidence of SnB's alignment. Since it's neither, what would make the most sense is that Haru saw that the wagon was on SnB, and wanted to vote SnB looking like he investigated it himself.
Next thing, I find it odd as well how he completely avoided the whole discussion on KotC, but then Chrom put in a read on ritoky, in which Haru jumped on the vote right away.
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Ok I'm awake now, what's up
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My mafia hype has been completely overtaken by world cup hype.
Gonna drop a quick vote before I head to bed on someone who's more afk than I am
##Vote: Erandorr
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Back from long afk
Sup
Who's excited for USA vs Ghana!!! WOOOOO U S A U S A U S A!
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On June 17 2014 03:50 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 03:43 Chairman Ray wrote:
Back from long afk
Sup
Who's excited for USA vs Ghana!!! WOOOOO U S A U S A U S A! Me-ish? More of the fact, my mom got interviewed for Jimmy Kimmel Live abut the USA/Ghana game, and I want to see if she gets put on TV 
Your mom is awesome! Post clip if it happens
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On June 17 2014 03:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 03:43 Chairman Ray wrote:
Back from long afk
Sup
Who's excited for USA vs Ghana!!! WOOOOO U S A U S A U S A! Also, many people think you are mafia.... Including me, for that vote on Errandor/Me. Why did you place that vote, when it was a high possibility Errandor could have been modkilled and replaced? Plus I'm sure you had a case somewhere on someone else! It's super odd- and quite scummy.
Oh yeah, reading votes and flips now. Looks like there was some sorta train on me.
I burned my vote because I was afk the whole day. It's true that I had a case against round and haru, but I didn't feel comfortable dropping my vote on either of them because I didn't read any of their defenses, any new cases that popped up, or any of their more recent filters. So if I voted them and they got lynched, it wouldn't be because of anything they did, but because I didn't read. Doesn't seem too fair, does it?
Anyways, gonna read some cases people have posted. Probly playing sheep mode while world cup happening.
USA USA USA USA
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I wanna lynch SnB. I thought he was quite scummy on day 1. He became really active when he was the main lynch target, but then fell flat since then. His few posts after d1 didn't contain any reads or attacks, and basically just says that he doesn't really wanna lynch mattisfoolish, sandroba, myself, or sandroba again. So unless he's leading lynch, SnB doesn't really hunt for scum or even put suspicion on others. I find this quite scummy.
Also, I'm dying to know if the vote switch from SnB to KotC on d1 was from town to mafia or from mafia to mafia. It's really weird that there was so little effort from anyone to divert the vote from KotC.
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On June 18 2014 09:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 09:22 mattisfoolish wrote:On June 18 2014 07:58 yamato77 wrote:On June 18 2014 06:55 mattisfoolish wrote:
ok so my buddy foolishness is correct, we think that sandroba is mafia, so marv, thats a fine vote right there if it said the right name.
secondly, gumshoe is probably mafia as well
i think obi is mafia, his posts during n2(?) were really really off putting to me, however my partnah disagrees and doesnt think so cause he's a silly willy
people who shouldnt be lynched until everyone else is dead include
marv, chrom, batsnacks, ticatica, round, CR, 27nb no, matt, no foolish says you have a good point on VA... idk what it is, but theres that Take CR and batsnack off your list. Or tell me why they shouldnt be lynched.
I like batsnacks, don't wanna lynch him... or myself
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On now. Is there any chance to swing the vote another way before deadline? Looks pretty definitive, which also worries me.
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Okay, I'm caught up, I think we got a good lynch
Doesn't really make a difference, but
##Unvote
##Vote: MattIisfoolish
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On June 19 2014 04:38 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 04:22 Chairman Ray wrote:
On now. Is there any chance to swing the vote another way before deadline? Looks pretty definitive, which also worries me. Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 04:36 Chairman Ray wrote:
Okay, I'm caught up, I think we got a good lynch
Doesn't really make a difference, but
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This looks strikingly similar to day 1. In day 1, there was very little resistance to save KotC. This could mean that mafia didn't want to use their vote power until more towns were in favor of switching, or that SnB was mafia, and it was inevitable that a mafia was gonna be lynched that day.
1. In the first case, there wasn't a lot of sway to try to get people off KotC and back on SnB. However near the end, there was a useless bandwagon started on ritoky. It was pretty clear that the vote was either gonna be on SnB or KotC. I have a suspicion that Chrom might be mafia and tried to start this bandwagon as a last ditch effort. No other mafia tried to promote this wagon or vote on it, so they could be waiting for more town approval before doing so in order to avoid suspicion.
2. In the second case, if both SnB and KotC were mafia, it would also explain the ritoky votes. Regardless, if two mafia were up for lynch and there was little way to divert it, then it would make sense for there to be little resistance.
Now looking back on today's vote, things look quite similar. When gumshoe and mif were about even, mif took off without much resistance. Then a couple useless votes came on me when it's obvious that it was either gonna be gumshoe of mif. I think it's very possible that mif is mafia, and tica is doing the same thing chrom was doing on day 1, or that both gumshoe and mif are mafia. I still would like to vote SnB, but mif is also a pretty good bet.
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