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Koshi
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Rainbows
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But here is scum. I noticed after he voted me so I wanted to figure out why. Haru is mafia This post here: On June 11 2014 21:11 HaruRH wrote: Uh.... you seemed to miss the point. Ver used BOTH points as a combination of factors. Even if VA is about to turn into a blue post craping whore, the truth is he haven't. You either jumped the gun too early, or you are trying to shoot him before he turned, which leads into 2 outcomes : 1) He WILL turn 2)You are just trying to shoot for the heck of it. Uh... stop? Stop. I really mean it, stop. I'll quote Ver's analysis RE: VA MASSIVE INCONGRUENCY. ... I'M WATCHING YOU YAMATO. is scummy to high heavens. Does he do an analysis of yamato based on his play? No. Is he discerning his alignment? Doesn't appear to. All he says is 'stop that' and that he's watching Yamato. What is the purpose of this post from a townie perspective? The only thing I could think of is pressure--but it harasses a player without any insight of what side he is playing for. Haru isn't trying to convince anyone that Yamato is mafia, so there is no town purpose to this post. After these jabs at Yamato, he votes for CR here: On June 11 2014 18:42 HaruRH wrote: I read through 30+ pages of 'stuff' and the huge post by koshi and the reads off koshi's posts were striking to me. CR seems like trying to earn some towncred by pointing out koshi first, so that in the future he can use this as a reference to how towny he is. Town totem: Chrom, batsnacks. Everyone else is hard to read. They make towny posts, then destroy their own image by making themselves look scummy. On June 12 2014 05:29 HaruRH wrote: I can agree with gumshoe on CR. Like I mentioned, CR's initial attack on koshi seemed to be gathering towncred in later stages of the game by referencing to it. I don't see a need for town to do it. All the votes on koshi were... weird. Rainbows and ticatica just sat on the koshiwagon and drove off together. Not a good sign tbh. My vote on koshi is a placeholder. Now that he deviates off his HUGE ASS POST PLAYMAKER style, he seemed to be more obnoxious than ever. Its hard to find obnoxious scum who might succumb to a policy lynch. ##Vote:Chairman Ray My problem arises with the bolded. Just read it over, slowly. Does it make any sense whatsoever? Apparently, it seemed as if CR is attacking Koshi in order to gain towncred LATER in the game? I don't think this analysis makes any sense whatsoever. What townie in this game came to that same conclusion, please tell me. I didn't. "Oh, CR must be attacing Koshi first so he can use it as towncred later" WHAT? CR was scummy, but not for this reason at all. The reference to his Koshi vote as a 'placeholder' is additionally acts as a buffer for scrutiny. *assume koshi flips town at some point* "Why were you voting Koshi D1?" "Oh it was just a placeholder no worries!" On June 12 2014 18:00 HaruRH wrote: I thought I said the vote on CR from me was a placeholder? SnB have some weird posts, will link them here in one sec, Filter dived him today. So now CR is a placeholder vote? Scummy as balls. Then he provides shoddy reasoning for calling snb scum. On June 12 2014 18:05 HaruRH wrote: After diving SnB, I realised the pool is so shallow theres no need to bring a snorkel. So here's why SnB makes me wanna lynch the scum out of him: soo... He thinks koshi makes good arguments, then want to lynch koshi. Then he shitposts. It's interesting that Haru calls my reasons for voting SnB terrible, but in the same breath can post something like the above with almost no analysis whatsoever. It reaks of keeping doors open. WARNING, SCUMMIEST POST IN THREAD INCOMING: + Show Spoiler + On June 12 2014 21:18 HaruRH wrote: Heck, I'll even help you make a huge post on why we should all lynch Haru. Firstly, this haru guy don't even contribute At ALL. Then, this haru guy dont even defend himself Thus I deduce this haru guy is scum 100%. ##Vote: HaruRH Oh my God. How did nobody look at the before, what in God's name is this terrible post. Haru posted this when somebody said they wanted to lynch him D1 for not contributing (or something). This is his response. Haru literally just quotes posts he made and says "I contribute a lot". This is actually fine, but examine for a moment the way he goes about it. The post is completely sarcastic and not serious. Imagine Haru is town and is under pressure for not contributing. I don't think the response is the same. Mafia Haru is nervous, doesn't want his self-defense to be overly defending himself because that's what mafia do--hard defend themselves against small allegations. Instead, he chooses to guise his post in sarcasm in order to alleviate tension. This post screams mafia insecurity. Haru is Mafia for the following reasons: - Blatant insecurity about his image, using sarcasm in order to deflect pressure off of himself. Calling his votes placeholders do he does not have to commit. - Ignoring the KotC case completely. Town would probably weigh in, but scum are afraid to be wishy-washy about the issue concerning their scum partner. Scum do not want to vote their guy, OR appear to not want to vote him. Avoidance is the best way to do this. - Keeping multiple avenues open during D1 for lynches. Town do this, so do I, I didn't care if we lynched like 10 different people. But Haru posts very thin or nonsensical reasons for his 'suspects' (CR gaining towncred later with koshi pressure lolwut). Town would just be like "ok ill lynch this guy because lurk / because shitpost / because giant douche". The way Haru tries to rationalize the CR vote makes little sense to me. ALL of his votes have been either "not serious" (Koshi, himself) or really bad reasoning (CR), or epic sheepmode on Ritosky. - OMGUS Voting myself, an easy town mislynch, by going hard after the wishy-washy post I made about KotC OMGUS. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
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kushm4sta
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roundabound
Niue881 Posts
The problem I had, still have, and may continue to experience with Ketomai is: for every attempt at contribution he makes, there is an additional of self-flagellation. This is on par with the renown "newbie claim" where you sell yourself as inexperienced in the hopes of being ignored, and thus, blending in - the sacred mafia goal to survival. TL;DR Ketomai is actively attempting to blend in. Whilst this can be a town trait; Ketomai juggles this performance with fabricated arguments that are both simple to disprove and extremely superficial. Thus, I can only attribute this recurring behaviour to rolling mafia. Pre KotC lynch On June 11 2014 11:38 ketomai wrote: I'm going to place my vote with roundabound until I can catch up with the thread. Exo is the one running against him and there's not much that indicates scum for me yet. I'll post again tomorrow after work with some more detailed opinion. This thread is incredibly hard to read/follow on my phone. On June 11 2014 11:51 ketomai wrote: @roundabout I skimmed both situations and you were the more likely one of the two; I thought that should've been obvious. I'm casting the vote early in case something happens so I don't get instant modkilled. Obviously when I'm done reading the thread and thinking about things I'll most probably give my opinions and change it up. Until then, you can pretty much disregard my vote for you as filler after a cursory glance at both situations. On June 11 2014 12:10 ketomai wrote: Well, whether or not my belief is incorrect or not doesn't matter because it's inconsequential. I'm trying to reassure you because you're so up in arms about it but you can do what you want, I don't really care. Again, I'll post a more detailed analysis if I can get home early enough to read tomorrow. I'm done replying to you for now! On June 12 2014 12:33 ketomai wrote: I'm here and I realize you're just pressuring me to respond, but reading 50 straight pages of mostly spam is honestly exhausting (and impossible for me after a long day at work). I gave up in the middle and just took a cursory glance through filters and whatnot for current top votes. I also took a look at a few other people that showed up near the beginning of the thread. I'll try to keep up with the thread from now on. Hopefully there's less spam in the future because missing 1 day so far seems to be catastrophic. Top votes: Koshi: Leaning slightly towards mafia. Biggest flag is his lack of cooperation with town as noted by others. He doesn't really argue, he just tries to pass off his viewpoints on the grounds that it should be obvious. I'm willing to wait on how he responds now that he's under pressure now and after he's promised to be more cooperative, however. He hasn't really contributed much other than defending himself. Also, I disagree with pretty much everything he says, but that doesn't really make him more or less mafia. Exo: Leaning slightly towards town. He doesn't spam up the thread and has only posted the few times he's confident in his opinion. However, his last post that also contained his vote jumped to a conclusion really fast without much evidence. The way he said it leaves room for change, like my own vote, so I'm also not too suspicious of that. It feels more like he honestly doesn't know who to vote for because there's so much spam/finger pointing as a newer player. Roundabout: No read. When he was attacking me earlier I thought he was doing that to everyone to create some chaos, but after looking through the filters he hasn't really done much past the early game. The point about him not contributing much is true, but not enough grounds to seem mafia yet; the game is early. The jump on me was a bit strange since I, personally, felt it was useless garbage spamming up the thread, but I'll ignore that. I would like to see him post more now that the "heat" is off of him. strongandbig: Seems a little bit like mafia. Would be the easy pick to vote but I'd love to see him defend himself first because like my suspicions for every one else after 1 day, I'm not sure. If anything, a lynch wouldn't be so bad just because he's not productive/working w/ the town. ritoky: Currently seems like mafia to me. He's on consistently throughout the day (his posts are very spread out), yet he doesn't really seem to contribute or address the game at all. He's just tunnel visioning Chromatically with nearly all his posts (who I personally have tagged as slightly town, so I naturally disagree with most of what he's saying). Chairman Ray: slightly town. So far everything he posts is pretty logical. I disagree a bit with his leaps on roundabout, but he's defended himself and arguments pretty well, so I like that. He brings up his own arguments to add to town discussion as well, which is usually good if they make sense. MZ: Other than furthering the VA lynchwagon (unless I missed some great post about it), not enough info, no read. Anyway I made a post because I promised it, but as you can see my knowledge of the thread is not very thorough yet. You should view these as my initial thoughts. I feel strongest about ritoky out of the people I checked so I'll vote on him for now to get him to speak out. Another issue I have with this post is the focus on people that have votes. I get on one hand that a time-poor person *may* go straight to the vote counts. On the other hand, I can not fathom why a townie that is not literate with the thread would trust the votes of ANY person to then perform this analysis. Again, for every positive action ketomai makes; it is self-countered with a more significant negative. Post KotC lynch On June 13 2014 11:57 ketomai wrote: Nice job on the lynch. In light of that lynch, it changes my opinions on a lot of people and made me look at others. Of those here are the ones that concern me most: sinani: I'm feeling mafia on this one. -KoC admitted after he got lynched that he's quite bad in mafia. It's not out of the question that some of his early defenses could be actual mafia. He went along with KoC's badly supported agenda on batsnacks. -He voted for KoC at the tipping point after it became pretty clear that KoC was going to get lynched already. He actually soft defended KoC before that and then after a couple more votes came in and KoC surpassed SnB, he conceded. Here, he's suggesting that there's nothing wrong with votes on ended bandwagons. Notice where his own vote is when he says this (on the antiquated Koshi wagon). While being on an inactive bandwagon is not exactly a 100% mafia tell (I am guilty as well), being present while having such a vote and being content with it is a lot more mafia. He also does not change his vote or provide any analysis aside from: Here it's already apparent that KoC is the case that should be focused on here yet he ignores marv (and marv called him out on it) and just tries to bring up my case again. He doesn't actually "investigate" KoC until he gets called out on ignoring it. In fact, the people he has problems with in his post history are myself and koshi, who a lot of people were attacking anyway. I obviously know I'm not mafia and I'm starting to think Koshi is less mafia, which makes his cases even more suspicious to me personally. Anyway, besides that just look at his filter. He's basically contributed nothing while going for the easy low hanging fruits. That combined with his suspicious voting and lack of proactivity in analyzing big cases or any cases makes me think he's mafia. + Show Spoiler + Exo: starting to think he's more mafia On June 13 2014 00:40 ExO_ wrote: I actually agree on Kush. When I read his filter, it doesn't even look like he's trying to play. He responded to Obi and HF by saying they should lynch him, and he's the jester. I'm not sure whether to interpret this as him being sarcastic and dismissive, or him just not wanting to play this game. Either way, I don't see him as being helpful in the future if he is going to continue like this. ##unvote ##Vote kushm4sta I'm having a very hard time determining what should indicate mafia, and what should indicate town (especially since it's day 1 and nothing has actually happened yet.) I'm forming opinions of people easily enough, but just thinking, for example, that marvel can be very rude doesn't make him mafia. And people who have been helpful and kind aren't necessarily town. Similarly to sinani, he ignores a lot of big cases. In this post he ignores the KoC train while it's happening (and never addresses it despite being there the whole time) for almost a policy lynch on kush (with not much evidence given). He also in this post milks the newbie card, that everyone has been giving him a pass for, a little too much. For someone who's having a hard time "[indicating] who's mafia", he doesn't seem to put much effort into finding them. His accusations usually do not have a lot of backing, and in this case, his lack of accusations over the course of the whole day combined with that puts him over the top for me. I find this an extremely miscontrued and fabricated depiction of Sinani. Firstly, Ketomai takes issue that Sinani did not consider KotC as a lynch, inferring anyone who does not vote scum: equivocates to scum. Secondly, he completely ignores the fact that Sinani made a case on both Koshi and Ketomai. Guess what.. those are the two people Sinani was willing to vote vote (as proven by Ketomais plucked Sinani quotes). On June 13 2014 12:01 ketomai wrote: Also, for both of those people, they have not actually posted much. It's much less than I thought at first because they have been discussed as potential mafia during the very beginnings of the game. The common theme here is they are laying pretty low without stepping up with any original content. Both are present during the crucial moments before the lynch and do not participate despite clearly paying attention to the game before and during that point. Here ketomai takse the easy road; suggesting lack of participation = mafia, GG. There is no link to mindset in existing filter. I find superficial arguments like this tend to come from very bad town, or mafia. Clearly I tend towards the latter. On June 13 2014 13:19 ketomai wrote: I acknowledge that both alignments can go on a preemptive defense; but this reads odd to me.See, everyone just says I'm mafia without providing a good reason. I'm not against people calling me mafia if they think so, but with so many people doing it without what most would consider solid reasoning yet, it becomes detrimental to the town. My bandwagon is the easiest for mafia to jump on because it's the safe one. Marv has me on his list, and it's the cool thing to do to accuse me with 1 line and that's it. They don't even need to give a reason because no one else is. I'm not saying the people who did are mafia necessarily, but look how many people randomly bring up my name as other bandwagons are going on. Intentionally or not, it potentially gives people an easy out to discussing the real issues that actually have evidence. The reason I haven't been refuting any cases against me is because there really aren't any. I want someone to give me a solid case that I can at least attempt to refute to get this over with. Because as it stands now, my name is just potential misdirection. In blue: He infers that with so many proponents of his lynch, mafia must clearly be involved. Yet, In red: He self-flagellates again, and says the misdirection of his lynch (due to being town) may only be a "potential"/possibility. On June 13 2014 13:33 ketomai wrote: See that's what I don't like about your play. If you weren't seeing KoC, then SAY THAT and say why before you randomly post about someone completely different. You don't want to even talk about people you don't have strong feelings about but you speak up about the randomest of people without solid evidence. I mean you accused Kush previously but your only reasoning is "he asked for it" and "he's trolly". MANY people have been "trolly" this game (Vayneauthority, Palmer, etc). Do you find a borderline policy lynch (by your reasoning) on kush more acceptable than ANY of the cases that have been brought up? I find that that hard to believe. As for why I have so few posts, it's because yes, I am generally only active after work in a 4-5 hour time period. However, I had more of a problem about your post content and when you're inactive rather than the total posts. The total posts was just an observation. This is very ironic given: On June 13 2014 05:01 Amiko wrote: Day 1 - Final Vote Count: strongandbig (4): TheKingOfTheCats was lynched with 11 votes! Night 1 will end in Post KotC, Ketomai comments about Sinani + Exo. Where is *ANY* statement about SnB? The rest of his filter is fluff about theory ~moc | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
Thinking the same thing regarding Haru. I was gonna post a case on him tomorrow when I have a good chunk of free time, but looks like you've done most of the work for me ^^. Just a couple things I would like to add though. Firstly his case against me. I was sort of bothered by how he thought I was attacking Koshi. My case was defending Koshi, but with some comments earlier about some things in Koshi's post that read scummy to me. This seems to me like he didn't really read it fully. It would make sense is Haru already knew that he's going to give a scumread on me, and then looked through my filter to find something, started reading up until the point where I say Koshi is sorta scummy, and then assumed the rest was gonna be the same. After that, everything he did at the end of the day was really fishy. Firstly when SnB became the leading vote, Haru posted his case on him. There were many cases posted on why SnB may be scum, so if Haru read them and agreed with them, as town he would just say he agrees and put in a vote. If Haru didn't read the cases on SnB, then by some coincidence, out of everyone he investigated, he came up with same conclusion as the current wagon at the same time as well. But if this were the case, his read on SnB would be a lot more detailed and actually explain some evidence of SnB's alignment. Since it's neither, what would make the most sense is that Haru saw that the wagon was on SnB, and wanted to vote SnB looking like he investigated it himself. Next thing, I find it odd as well how he completely avoided the whole discussion on KotC, but then Chrom put in a read on ritoky, in which Haru jumped on the vote right away. | ||
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Koshi
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That is a clear contradiction. One the one hand he says I will flip town in the future and CR is getting towncred for that. (TMI) On the other hand he votes me because I am scum If everything I say here is true. Condemned to phoneposting. | ||
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Koshi
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kushm4sta
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ketomai
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1st post: Why is it not logical to closely observe cases that seem to have the most steam? When you're short on time you can't reinvent the wheel and observe every case from the ground up. You also misconstrue my intent. I observe the cases not because I trust them but because I'm actually forming my own opinion about the case. The difference here is that I'm choosing which ones that were debated and have work done on them already so I can contribute my thoughts to those cases rather than try to start over with a case that I can not keep pushing due to time constraints. 2nd post: He doesn't just not want to vote, he ignores someone asking him about the case, which was the steaming bandwagon. Also, you need to read again, I did mention myself and Koshi. I considered both myself AND Koshi as easy cases that everyone was jumping on. And you're point about him wanting to lynch Koshi. Look how strongly he actually wants to lynch Koshi. He really doesn't try to explain anything or change any opinions after his first post (which after that point, the bandwagon for it is long gone). It would not be suspicious if he continued fighting for a Koshi lynch but he just leaves his vote on there with no explanation or discussion despite being present as MULTIPLE bandwagons passed it. 3rd post: Was an observation to supplement the earlier post. Finding mafia isn't just one big clue, it's an accumulations of facts that don't independently prove anything. 4th post: My "self-flagellation" is actually an attempt to get town to properly assess my case. Yes, I do that on purpose because I didn't want to continue wasting votes and helping mafia by being constantly accusable with no evidence. Finally, someone has actually tried to come at me; that's good. You're just mincing words with the "potential misdirection part". It's potential misdirection because when my baseless status as a mafia suspect actually garners votes/vigi hits, it becomes actual misdirection that hurts the town in a direct way. I have no way of knowing if mafia are using me as an easy accusation for towncred; that's also misdirection, but I have no way of knowing. 5th post about the voting: I did make a case for snb, first content post. He was my 2nd lynch after ritoki and since I saw the case for snb building up and I wouldn't be back in time to vote or participate in further developments, I left my vote on snb. I stated that long before KoC happened. SnB looks more town to me after that lynch and Exo/Sinani looked more mafia after the lynch. How is it hard to understand that circumstances change. On the first day there's no evidence to go by so you have to look at more abstract and unverifiable evidence. The original case on SnB actually wasn't that strong either (I'd say it was as strong as Marv's KoC case, actually), but it was the 2nd strongest that I could come up with on my first content post. | ||
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roundabound
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On June 14 2014 08:11 ketomai wrote: You are the one mincing your words.@roundabout 1st post: Why is it not logical to closely observe cases that seem to have the most steam? When you're short on time you can't reinvent the wheel and observe every case from the ground up. You also misconstrue my intent. I observe the cases not because I trust them but because I'm actually forming my own opinion about the case. The difference here is that I'm choosing which ones that were debated and have work done on them already so I can contribute my thoughts to those cases rather than try to start over with a case that I can not keep pushing due to time constraints. On June 11 2014 11:38 ketomai wrote: This does not equivocate with closely observe casesI'm going to place my vote with roundabound until I can catch up with the thread. Exo is the one running against him and there's not much that indicates scum for me yet. I'll post again tomorrow after work with some more detailed opinion. This thread is incredibly hard to read/follow on my phone. What you did is quite simple. You went to the vote page, saw who had votes and decided to comment on that. Exo has significantly less posts, yet you can not even muster a description of why "not much that indicates scum" as compared to my slot -- which thread sentiment was tied into. (conveniently). 2nd post: He doesn't just not want to vote, he ignores someone asking him about the case, which was the steaming bandwagon. Also, you need to read again, I did mention myself and Koshi. I considered both myself AND Koshi as easy cases that everyone was jumping on. And you're point about him wanting to lynch Koshi. Look how strongly he actually wants to lynch Koshi. He really doesn't try to explain anything or change any opinions after his first post (which after that point, the bandwagon for it is long gone). It would not be suspicious if he continued fighting for a Koshi lynch but he just leaves his vote on there with no explanation or discussion despite being present as MULTIPLE bandwagons passed it. Mine is clear however. Both town and mafia can ignore "steaming" cases. If anything, assuming Marv is town and Sinani is scum It would be essential from Sinani POV to appease Marv regarding KotC. You miss this completely. Instead, Sinani sticks of his previous bullets (Ketomai + Koshi). This can be a play from both alignments, but scum need much bigger balls to do it, whereas, town simply require conviction behind reads - a bias that is inherent. So yes, it is you who is intentionally ignoring information that disproves your "theory". 3rd post: Was an observation to supplement the earlier post. Finding mafia isn't just one big clue, it's an accumulations of facts that don't independently prove anything. Whether an attempt at a proof or observation, the post is a superficial filler. Nothing is dispelled.4th post: My "self-flagellation" is actually an attempt to get town to properly assess my case. Yes, I do that on purpose because I didn't want to continue wasting votes and helping mafia by being constantly accusable with no evidence. Finally, someone has actually tried to come at me; that's good. You're just mincing words with the "potential misdirection part". It's potential misdirection because when my baseless status as a mafia suspect actually garners votes/vigi hits, it becomes actual misdirection that hurts the town in a direct way. I have no way of knowing if mafia are using me as an easy accusation for towncred; that's also misdirection, but I have no way of knowing. I quoted "reads odd" because I understand you can not lynch people off a 'potential' slip.It was purely an additional layer to issues I have. I am more than fine to consider this exhibit null. 5th post about the voting: I did make a case for snb, first content post. He was my 2nd lynch after ritoki and since I saw the case for snb building up and I wouldn't be back in time to vote or participate in further developments, I left my vote on snb. I stated that long before KoC happened. I had to recheck your filter for a "case". Then I realise you meant this list note: strongandbig: Seems a little bit like mafia. Would be the easy pick to vote but I'd love to see him defend himself first because like my suspicions for every one else after 1 day, I'm not sure. If anything, a lynch wouldn't be so bad just because he's not productive/working w/ the town. You miss the point completely I made. I suggest you re-read.You chastise one player for dropping a read without commenting. Yet post-KotC, you dropped SnB (for Sinani + Exo) without commenting on your position on SnB. Hypocrisy, which you are advocating is a scum tell. SnB looks more town to me after that lynch and Exo/Sinani looked more mafia after the lynch. How is it hard to understand that circumstances change. On the first day there's no evidence to go by so you have to look at more abstract and unverifiable evidence. The original case on SnB actually wasn't that strong either (I'd say it was as strong as Marv's KoC case, actually), but it was the 2nd strongest that I could come up with on my first content post. Thats great in hindsight.But your post after the KotC lynch started with: Nice job on the lynch. In light of that lynch, it changes my opinions on a lot of people and made me look at others. Of those here are the ones that concern me most: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451310-tl-order-lxvi-mafia?page=106#2106 btw, theres nothing about SnB there..... ~moc | ||
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ketomai
United States2789 Posts
Why would I accuse them of not addressing KoC when I myself didn't even do it? Because I wasn't even there, and they were. You are tunnel visioning me and not looking at the circumstances surrounding the posts. Exo and Sinani were post lynch, the first post with snb was initial thoughts before any results were there. The first post you quoted was the source of everyone jumping on me. It was a post that I made before even playing the game. I'm not even going to respond to that because I've explained it almost immediately after it got called out the first time. | ||
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roundabound
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I have tried to reason with u openly. But this is now pointless. That snb post is a bunch of fluff and u r hanging onto it way too hard for what it really is. 3 wishy washy sentences in a list post. Scum scum scum *##vote: ketomai | ||
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ketomai
United States2789 Posts
On June 12 2014 12:38 ketomai wrote: Actually, since I won't be back in time for the end of the mafia day tomorrow and won't have a chance to change my vote, I'll change it to strongandbig, so it doesn't have a high chance of being a useless vote. I guess if strongandbig actually arrives to defend himself, it better be dazzling because my vote can't change. None of my cases were strong and neither was anyone else's including the case on KoC. I drop SnB post-lynch because he's less likely to be mafia and the case against him wasn't that strong to begin with. Notice that I had maybe a 3 hour window 24 hours after the start of the game to make my vote for the first game day. That's 24 hours of information, you are reading too hard into nothing. | ||
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roundabound
Niue881 Posts
I read the haru case. I like the second half more than the first. Second is quite damming to me actually. Regarding first half, it's slightly town to me. As town, if he thinks koshi is scum. He's paying attention to the guys wielding koshi pitchforks and comments cr may be disingenuine. That's an astute observation for mafia to throw out in my experience. Typically mafia would be happy to have a read on player x. And are too lazy to note publiclly further interactions. If scum, and koshi is town. This observation holds no weight if koshi flips. Overall, I think the second half is more damming than my points for in the first half. I'm happy with dither ketonai or haru ~moc | ||
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