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On June 22 2014 08:05 scott31337 wrote:
Arguments are always good for stirring up the pot right?
Great point on mafia getting modkilled.
On June 22 2014 07:30 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 07:16 scott31337 wrote:On June 22 2014 05:50 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 04:30 scott31337 wrote:On June 21 2014 23:55 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 23:54 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. Feeling a bit rushed, spelling error, no details, I think you are scum Do you often talk And make all of your scum reads In haiku format? That could get very annoying very quickly. I like the haiku posting, I can see where it would get annoying quickly though, maybe to change the subject? ... Do you have any thoughts on anyone else? Me, teemursu and meatpudding perhaps? So far, I really do not - and we got too many non-posters still as well. Being talkative often is a sign of misdirection, but not always. I have a couple small hints of where I'm going, Templar a little townie - Thinking there's over five people who haven't even posted, they could all be scum - and there's too many quiet ends. Teemu has said he's likely to vote me or meatpudding today, he's given reasons why he's likely to vote for one of us today. What do you think of his reasons? And why are you leaning town on Templar?
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On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats
Why an i "super scummy" for doing that when Lord Tolkien isn't for doing exactly the same thing?
On June 22 2014 09:27 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:58 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch).That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Not only that but Teemu agrees with me on TheKingOfCats. Although I agree with people that we should vote a lurker, considering the large number of lurkers and the fact that it's a newbie game, I don't think being a lurker is necessarily indicative of scum. On the other game, I do see people trying to contribute and looking scum whilst doing it. I'd rather vote on someone who I think is the scummiest than RNG a vote and potentially hit a cop. It isn't and I agree; however it is indicative to how useful they'll be to contributing to town, and I'd rather get a lurker lynch out of the way now in a newbie game, than later. If someone actively posts, it's easier to judge alignment, and gives town something to go with. If I am convinced of a player's scumminess I'll vote for him, but at present I don't feel enough of it atm. As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk, however if you are a blue role in forum mafia, the correct play for blues is generally to play like you would a vanilla townie. There's no reason to treat a blue role as anything outside of a (very nice) bonus; you're still playing town. All lurking does is make you suspicious, either to town or to scum. Don't do it guys. I do agree with you broadly, just I'd rather get a serious non-contributor out of the way, and a lurker lynch policy for a newbie game is decent incentive for newbie townies to NOT lurk, and post (which is the only way we can judge people: no/little/non-informative posts=bad for town). If people don't post they'll get mod-killed anyways, but still, low-info posts don't help town. AKA: POST GAIZ, AND CONTRIBUTE Show nested quote + On the other game, I do see people trying to contribute and looking scum whilst doing it. That's how my D1 the past 2 newbie mafias went for me hah. Which reminds me. If anyone needs it, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445959-newbie-mini-mafia-liv?user=Lord Tolkienhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/441178-newbie-mini-mafia-lii?user=Lord TolkienThe filters for my previous forum mafia games, which is mostly the sum of my mafia experience (minus a couple DC/MD/VA meetup mafia games). For your conveniences. I aim to improve my D1 play anyways, but it should give you a general idea how I play. At this point, based on current posts, I'd vote on Scott. No opinions on anyone excepting pointing out that we had lurkers, and the rest are just sheeple nods. Hasn't added anything to the thread, just posts to make himself appear active.
Why didn't you mention him at all when he said that he didn't mind a potential D1 mislynch of someone that wouldn't be contributing as well?
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On June 22 2014 19:09 scott31337 wrote:Okay, I've had a bit to think about this, and want to post my feelings as best I can. Jabberwockzerg- Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 16:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
yeah, pudding's a townlean
I'd be most comfortable with a tolkien vote, but I want him to read my post about scott and react to it, defend his wagon.
I'll agree with a fence on KittyCats, he's asking questions, but I'm noticing a lack of content. My instinct tells me an inexperienced person trying to back his Mafia, and reading the mafia chat too much at the moment - and maybe defending too early - not enough to say honestly.
Can you point to any posts of jabber's that lead you to think he's trying to "back his mafia, and reading the mafia chat too much" or is it just a baseless gut feeling?
Also, have you played mafia before or is this your first game?
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On June 22 2014 22:01 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats I would like to know what your actual read on Teemu is. All you've given is a description of what he is like in video mafia. I like the reasoning you gave behind your Templar read, although I am leaning town on him. Overall, I like the reads that you gave, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of them. I am leaning town on you MysteryMeat1.
The things he said about Templar were not good points, he's trying to say that something that isn't alignment indicative is scummy. If Templar is scum then his point is valid given enough time but you can't make your scum play match your town play overnight, seeing as he's only played 3 games here and been scum in only 1 of them it's safe to say he doesn't even know how to play scum let alone match his scum play to his town play, and if he's town it would make sense to post filters from previous games so you can see if he's playing like he was in his past town games thus giving people a chance to meta read him. It's not inherently scummy and any attempt to paint it as such is just WIFOM.
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Ok, i'm voting MysteryMeat. I really don't like that he said i was super scummy for bringing up the idea of lynching an inactive while completely ignoring the fact that Tolkien did the same thing and voting me for it seeing as thread sentement wasn't exactly in my favour at the time. Him thinking i'm "super scummy" is completely disproportionate to the rest of the thread's view which is null to slightly scummy at best so i'm having a hard time thinking his implied certainty that i'm scum is genuine plus as i said at the time i looked like a likely lynch candidate and two people had voted for me shortly before his post. His double standard regarding my and Tolkien's scumminess combined with his overconfidence that i'm scum posted just when a wagon was forming on me looks like an excuse made up to jump on an easy bandwagon from my pov.
Also him posting that a non alignment indicative thing is scummy is itself scummy, he's twisting things to suit his own purposes:
On June 22 2014 22:25 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 22:01 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats I would like to know what your actual read on Teemu is. All you've given is a description of what he is like in video mafia. I like the reasoning you gave behind your Templar read, although I am leaning town on him. Overall, I like the reads that you gave, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of them. I am leaning town on you MysteryMeat1. The things he said about Templar were not good points, he's trying to say that something that isn't alignment indicative is scummy. If Templar is scum then his point is valid given enough time but you can't make your scum play match your town play overnight, seeing as he's only played 3 games here and been scum in only 1 of them it's safe to say he doesn't even know how to play scum let alone match his scum play to his town play, and if he's town it would make sense to post filters from previous games so you can see if he's playing like he was in his past town games thus giving people a chance to meta read him. It's not inherently scummy and any attempt to paint it as such is just WIFOM.
Fun fact: I confused Templar with Epishade and he confused Templar with Tolkien but amazingly the point still stands because this is only Tolkien's 3rd game.
##Vote: MysteryMeat1
Predit: I'm not entirely sure i like the way this post is worded, feel free to give me shit for it. 
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Plus if you look at this post the reason he gives for voting me is actually bollocks.
On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats
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On June 23 2014 07:52 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Also him posting that a non alignment indicative thing is scummy is itself scummy, he's twisting things to suit his own purposes: On June 22 2014 22:25 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 22:01 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats I would like to know what your actual read on Teemu is. All you've given is a description of what he is like in video mafia. I like the reasoning you gave behind your Templar read, although I am leaning town on him. Overall, I like the reads that you gave, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of them. I am leaning town on you MysteryMeat1. The things he said about Templar were not good points, he's trying to say that something that isn't alignment indicative is scummy. If Templar is scum then his point is valid given enough time but you can't make your scum play match your town play overnight, seeing as he's only played 3 games here and been scum in only 1 of them it's safe to say he doesn't even know how to play scum let alone match his scum play to his town play, and if he's town it would make sense to post filters from previous games so you can see if he's playing like he was in his past town games thus giving people a chance to meta read him. It's not inherently scummy and any attempt to paint it as such is just WIFOM. Fun fact: I confused Templar with Epishade and he confused Templar with Tolkien but amazingly the point still stands because this is only Tolkien's 3rd game. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1Predit: I'm not entirely sure i like the way this post is worded, feel free to give me shit for it. I agree his quick scum read on you is sort of sudden and not particularly justified. But he's barely posted since then so maybe he was planning on not doing much for the rest of the day.
If that was supposed to be a defence of MM it's not a very good one. Him possibly not planning on doing much for the rest of the day is hardly alignment indicative and if anything coming up with a weak reason to join a wagon and fucking off till flip is actually scummy.
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On June 23 2014 08:06 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, following this order, here are my reads of these reads: On Nydus's: + Show Spoiler + He's got the same reads i've got on meatpudding and TheKingOfCats (I've said earlier that I wasn't really sure about meatpudding but after analyzing his reads I've started to believe he is leaning scum, I'll tell why on his time), although I don't think he's got good grounds on it. I don't think that questioning Teemu instead of TheKingOfCats is ground for possible scummy.
That said, I don't actually see solid argumentation here, but nothing suspicious. Null-read on Nydus. On MysteryMeat's: + Show Spoiler + *On his reads on The_Templar, I don't see direct relation between having scum filters and that being scummy. You may clarify this assumption so I could understand it better, but it means nothing to me right now.
*On his reads on scott, I'm with him. I'd just say that, as someone said, Scott is kinda lost in the game. ALTHOUGH voting on himself looked very suspicious. Sounded like he was trying to get away from being lynched by looking as a victim.
*On his reads on Cats, I' with him again. Most of TheKingOfCats posts sounds scummy to me.
*On his reads on Hobbitus, I don't see a problem on saying that it's her first game. I have a townie-read on Hobbitus, but I need to read more of her posts to get a stronger read.
*On his reads on Teemu, I disagree. As someone said, forcing a "pinging out" before analyzing meatpudding's reaction was suspicious, as to push voting to someone he knows it's not his partner in case he is a scum. Some other of his posts have a scummy vibe, although sometimes I see him leaning townie. I have no reads on Teemu by now.
*On his reads on meatpudding, I disagree. He sounded scum in the beginning of the game and in other times later. I have a specific argument which I'll reveal while analyzing meatpudding reads.
*On his reads on Nydus, I'm not really sure. I think Nydus is leaning townie, but that's a weak read I have.
That said, there is little I can tell about MysteryMeat. Null-read. I will do a less detailed read on reads from now on, or the post will get too big. On Templar's: + Show Spoiler + His reads are kinda confusing for me, actually. He suspects Nydus but doesn't suspect Cats nor meatpudding? Then, after, assumes that his best guess for scum is Cats? It's confusing and I don't agree with it but I have to admit his grounds on Nydus are ok.
Null-read on Templar's for now, I think if he could clarify his assumptions I'd have a better read on him On Tolkien's (and about Lurking) + Show Spoiler + I think he has no grounds on Scott and his "lynch all lurkers" policy worries me. As one of the guides said, it's a common blue strategy to lurk. But that's not the main point.
The main point is: if you are Mafia and you have Mafia partners lurking, would you risk forcing this "lynch all lurkers" policy? I don't think so. Now, if you are Mafia and all your partners are on the game, what would you do? Force the policy so you could lynch a blue, as lurking is a common blue strategy.
Moreover, if you are convincend I am town, this means that lurkers definetely weren't all Mafia, which would mean that Mafia strategy of lynching lurkers is a huge possibility.
Again, saying "As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk" worries me the most. Would you take the risk to take a cop out of the game instead of trying to identify active scum?
Because of these, I have a strong scumread on Tolkien He is still forcing this policy by now. On Haru's: + Show Spoiler +He's got the same opinion as I. Moreover, I said before I have a strong feeling Haru is townie. Therefore, thats how I read him. On Epishade's: + Show Spoiler + Alright, not sure what to think about Teemu and Templar, as I said before. Therefore, I cannot totally disagree with the arguments Epishade brought. Really hard to analyze. But at least he brought plausible arguments.
I have a leaning town read on Epishade because I think he is trying to contribute and brings good grounds with his reads, although I might not agree with them.. On Teemu's: + Show Spoiler + Again, not sure what to think about Teemu and his reads are ok but I can't see his grounds in this post. Not a reliable read I must say. On Scott's: + Show Spoiler + I've not got much to say, it's pratically the point of view I'm having of the game right now. Makes me wonder if I'm misunderstaning his self-vote. I'd null-read him for now. On meatpudding's: + Show Spoiler +
"Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now."
There is a huge contradiction here. Meatpudding is declaring Haru guilty for the same reason he decides Cats is not-guilty. He says that Haru is asking vague questions, but if Cats isn't, I don't know how a precise question should be. This seems really suspicious and, as I think Cats is probably scum, meatpudding may trying to cover up a partner.
I have a strong scumread here. On Haru's (again) + Show Spoiler + Haru has got the same opinion as I, that meatpudding is contradicting(?) himself, and I've concluded this opinion before even reading Haru's scumread. I'm with him. On Templar's (again): + Show Spoiler + Once again, I cannot read Templar. But this time he brought good grounds on most of his assumptions, although I might not agree with them. Phew, that took long! Having said all of these, although I still have a feeling that TheKingOfCats might be scum, I'll vore for meatpudding as I've got now a stronger read on him. So... ##Vote: meatpudding
If you think most of my posts are scummy can you please point me to them and tell me what you think is scummy about them?
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Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me.
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On June 23 2014 08:34 GlowingBear wrote:@TheKingOfCats Yes, quoting some of them. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. This is what appeared the most scummy for me even if it was an introduction. I'll repeat what I said in my first post: "TheKingOfCats has a suspicious way of introducing himself while saying that he was considered best town twice. It seems like he was trying to set up an "atmosphere" so when he starts to reveal his reads on possible scummys people might think he is doing it right, as he was considered best town anywhere else and, so, he might be town again this time. Kind of a scummy way to blend in town." Then this: Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum.How was i nearly modkilled in that game? You're saying that you should be more active this game because you're town, and that you were quiet before because you didn't know how to play scum yet. It seems that you were arguing that now that you know how to play scum, you will be more active as how you act as when you are town. And what do you do next? Becomes active, but asking vague questions. Like the following: + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 22:46 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. Are you saying you don't post much in mafia games or on forums in general? On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? On June 22 2014 05:50 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 04:30 scott31337 wrote:On June 21 2014 23:55 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 23:54 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. Feeling a bit rushed, spelling error, no details, I think you are scum Do you often talk And make all of your scum reads In haiku format? That could get very annoying very quickly. I like the haiku posting, I can see where it would get annoying quickly though, maybe to change the subject? ... Do you have any thoughts on anyone else? Me, teemursu and meatpudding perhaps? These, for me, looks so much like someone who is trying to cover his mafia play by saying he can't play scum at all because he stays quiet, then starts being active to justify his town, when he probably isn't. And I don't remember who tried to cover you who I had slight scumread on him atm, it sounded like this person was trying to cover you, that's what gave me more feelings that you're mafia. That's it
First of all in the intros people were posting people were stating how many games of mafia they had played, i was just doing the same. Saying that i'm pre-emptively trying to sway peoples votes by pointing out that i may have a bit more experience then them is stupid because a bad push by a more experienced player will still be bad at the end of the day and people aren't going to say "well he was X so obviously he's right this time".
As for the second thing people don't miraculously "know" how to play play scum overnight. As town you have no idea of peoples alignments where as scum you know that the people you're pushing are town and you have to twist things to get them lynched, they demand two completely different playstyles and it's difficult to make your scum game look like your town game unless you've played scum a lot. As for "asking vague questions" well at the beginning of D1 you have nothing to go on, you can't get reads on people if they don't post anything so you have to ask people anything for the simple goal of getting them to post and giving out information, even if it seems trivial it's something to try to get the ball rolling.
Also that last post of mine you quoted wasn't trivial.
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On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me. Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me.
I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me.
As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat?
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On June 23 2014 09:19 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats Oh hey, just realized you were talking about me. I don't really think it's that scummy to post my filter imo. I had briefly skimmed through the thread before I posted (and planned on reading more-in depth afterwards) and saw that Templar had posted his past mafia experience, so I figured that that would be a good thing to add. I figured it wouldn't hurt, giving people more information to form their own opinions on me. I see your point that you might think that I'd want people to look at my past town behavior so I could replicate that this game and trick them though. I can really only say that that's not what I meant by including that. I'd put you in my town pile for now, MightyMeat. One thing I wouldn't expect a mafia to do would be to spot that 2 people had both mentioned past game experience and draw a connection between them this early. Usually I think that mafia would be content to lynch just about anybody D1 without caring about forming a connection, as that can always be done easier later when lynches and night shots have been made. The fact that you made that connection puts you in town for me. That seems like something a town would be actively looking for, while a scum probably wouldn't be. I've seen a bunch of people posting about Cats so far. I'm gonna look at that next I suppose.
He wasn't drawing connections between you two. He was saying that you, me (because i posted a filter from a past game too) and Templar were scummy for doing something that isn't alignment indicative not that you and Templar were scum together.
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On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me. Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me. I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat? That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming  But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from? If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though.
Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best.
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On June 23 2014 10:26 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
whats OMGUSing?
Do you have any actual defence against the points against you or are you happy just trying to jokingly brush it off and discredit me?
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On June 23 2014 10:43 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me. Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me. I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat? That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from? If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though. Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best. Cats, curious for your opinion. Speculation, but if MM flips mafia, what does that give us in terms of info on the other players? And if pudding gets lynched who would that confirm as town?
It won't give us much info besides confirming me and Tolkien as town. If pudding gets lynched and flips scum well off the top of my head Teemu started pushing for his lynch first and Haru was pushing it the most so they'd be pretty much conf town. As for anyone else i can't really say atm. I'll have to re-read D1 if meatpudding gets lynched regardless of his alignment.
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On June 23 2014 11:12 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Just from rereading the thread over my town reads would be
Scott: He votes on himself because he feels that the game isn't for him. Then thanks me for telling him to keep fighting if he was town. If Scott was mafia, I doubt he would be feeling alone, as he would have a mafia qt to post in and ask for advice. He hasn't contributed a whole lot but i really think he is town.
King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game.
The_Templar:
Says scumhunting isn't essential day 1, doesn't like scott, and is willing to lynch him because he has no scum read.
Like the reason i don't like CATS, Tolkien, is because they seem very ready to lynch people, and throwing scum on people to sway town into voting on them. (this isn't OMGUS) but teemu on the other hand votes on people to get reactions and reads. I think there is a very clear distinction. I usually don't pay too much attention, but in this case imo the distinction is pretty clear.
Teemu: I really like teemu, he's pushing for information, and getting reads. He thinks pudding is scum, which i think pudding could be town.
Nydus: Hasn't posted a ton recently but i think he's pretty town. The way i distinguish between his town and mafia play is how objective he is to the game. When he's town his reads are more selfish and when he's mafia his reads are really objective.
Tolkien: i honestly don't like, once again not for OMGUS, but he wants to lynch lurkers, which i don't agree with. If they keep on lurking they could get modkilled. He also is telling blue roles how to play the game. There is more than one way to play mafia, and i think he's just fishing for roles to kill in the night honestly. I also don't like the fact that when people talked about my inconsistency on cat's and tolkien. No one really mentioned the fact that there could be a relationship between tolkien and I. IMO if mafia are going to go for an inconsitancy like that it happens for a reason.
HARUH: Leaning pretty town. I like his reads early on in the game.
Epishade: I don't know atm. I get this odd feeling like he's playing slightly different than he was the last time i played with him when he was town. Don't know what this really means, but could potentially expand on this on d2 if im alive.
in the mafia fence pile
jabber
glowingbear (first post striked me as really odd)
pudding (said he could be town, but i think teemu is pretty town and teemu is pretty good at finding mafia)
Why are me and Tolkien on your townpile if you don't like either of us?
Where was Tolkien telling blue roles how to play the game and how is that scummy?
What is this possible relationship between you and Tolkien?
Can you elaborate on why the people in your mafia pile are scummy?
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On June 23 2014 11:29 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
i honeslty don't want to give a read on you.
Please do, give as much detail as possible as to why you think i'm scum.
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On June 23 2014 11:32 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
why is that scummy jabberwock? Like if i was town i wouldn't vote on hobbitus, if i was mafia i'd probably shoot her in the night
Why would you shoot Hobbitus in the night if you were scum?
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On June 23 2014 11:31 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
at king, that was a formating error in the list.
Town:
Scott
Teemu
Nydus
Haruh (leaning)
epishade (fenced)
Mafia
Cats
Tolkien
(Templar, glowing, jabber)
Ok, now please answer the other three.
On June 23 2014 11:27 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:12 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Just from rereading the thread over my town reads would be
Scott: He votes on himself because he feels that the game isn't for him. Then thanks me for telling him to keep fighting if he was town. If Scott was mafia, I doubt he would be feeling alone, as he would have a mafia qt to post in and ask for advice. He hasn't contributed a whole lot but i really think he is town.
King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game.
The_Templar:
Says scumhunting isn't essential day 1, doesn't like scott, and is willing to lynch him because he has no scum read.
Like the reason i don't like CATS, Tolkien, is because they seem very ready to lynch people, and throwing scum on people to sway town into voting on them. (this isn't OMGUS) but teemu on the other hand votes on people to get reactions and reads. I think there is a very clear distinction. I usually don't pay too much attention, but in this case imo the distinction is pretty clear.
Teemu: I really like teemu, he's pushing for information, and getting reads. He thinks pudding is scum, which i think pudding could be town.
Nydus: Hasn't posted a ton recently but i think he's pretty town. The way i distinguish between his town and mafia play is how objective he is to the game. When he's town his reads are more selfish and when he's mafia his reads are really objective.
Tolkien: i honestly don't like, once again not for OMGUS, but he wants to lynch lurkers, which i don't agree with. If they keep on lurking they could get modkilled. He also is telling blue roles how to play the game. There is more than one way to play mafia, and i think he's just fishing for roles to kill in the night honestly. I also don't like the fact that when people talked about my inconsistency on cat's and tolkien. No one really mentioned the fact that there could be a relationship between tolkien and I. IMO if mafia are going to go for an inconsitancy like that it happens for a reason.
HARUH: Leaning pretty town. I like his reads early on in the game.
Epishade: I don't know atm. I get this odd feeling like he's playing slightly different than he was the last time i played with him when he was town. Don't know what this really means, but could potentially expand on this on d2 if im alive.
in the mafia fence pile
jabber
glowingbear (first post striked me as really odd)
pudding (said he could be town, but i think teemu is pretty town and teemu is pretty good at finding mafia) Why are me and Tolkien on your townpile if you don't like either of us?Where was Tolkien telling blue roles how to play the game and how is that scummy? What is this possible relationship between you and Tolkien? Can you elaborate on why the people in your mafia pile are scummy?
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[QUOTE]On June 23 2014 11:38 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 22 2014 09:27 Lord Tolkien wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 22 2014 08:58 NydusHerMain wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:
There really isn't much to say right now.
All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch).
That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response.
Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
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-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
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My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation.[/QUOTE]
Not only that but Teemu agrees with me on TheKingOfCats. Although I agree with people that we should vote a lurker, considering the large number of lurkers and the fact that it's a newbie game, I don't think being a lurker is necessarily indicative of scum. On the other game, I do see people trying to contribute and looking scum whilst doing it. I'd rather vote on someone who I think is the scummiest than RNG a vote and potentially hit a cop.[/quote]
It isn't and I agree; however it is indicative to how useful they'll be to contributing to town, and I'd rather get a lurker lynch out of the way now in a newbie game, than later. If someone actively posts, it's easier to judge alignment, and gives town something to go with. If I am convinced of a player's scumminess I'll vote for him, but at present I don't feel enough of it atm.
As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk, however if you are a blue role in forum mafia, the correct play for blues is generally to play like you would a vanilla townie. There's no reason to treat a blue role as anything outside of a (very nice) bonus; you're still playing town. All lurking does is make you suspicious, either to town or to scum. Don't do it guys.
for someone soo good at pointing out inconsitancy cats...[/QUOTE]
Yes, for someone that's soo good at pointing out inconsistencies i can't see the one you're referring to. Could you please point it out to me?
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