Cell Mini Mafia II

On May 29 2014 03:57 mderg wrote:

I skimmed at first and didn´t like his posts. I later realized that I missed well elaborated posts while skimming. But I still didn´t agree with the cell order. So I wanted him to change the cell order to fit the more recent ongoings while elaborating similarly to before.

On May 29 2014 04:08 mderg wrote:



i basically didn´t attribute this post to his play. In this everything is based on reasoning and is elaborated. Elaborating on the cell order and giving proper reasons is exactly what I expect from the mayor. So I changed my mind from definitely not voting him to thinking about voting him.

On May 29 2014 16:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

I was initially all over you for the lulz mostly, I thought your intro post was good and not something scum would do but I really had no idea how things would pan out. Since then my initial judgement has been reaffirmed, I'd be townreading you right now even without the America stuff.

[b]Confirming someone as town like 1 hour into the game for lulz? I don't even really think it was for the lulz. Iirc you were the one who posted a little while after this saying it was the complete "anti" something or other of Rit's scum play. How in your mind is anyone else suppose to se that as a "lulz" read?

Right now I'm actually baffled by the people who think Odin is town. He came in, made four posts and peaced. People are jacking off to how "protown" they were but honestly that's more just people repeating stuff that HF said. Because there are so few, let's take a quick look at these posts, since the way people are describing them I think some have forgotten what he actually said:

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Firstly, his criticism of ritoky rings very hollow. He calls him out for wanting his cell to go first which is odd because when ritoky ran for mayor, there was no indication of who was going to be active or inactive is impossible to tell. This means ritoky's mayor run can't have been a scum plot from the start.

So because it's early game, there is no possible way mafia would run for mayor? What does who's going to be lurky and what not even matter for that tbh? Like, by the time a mayor gains traction and OBVIOUSLY by the time he is elected, they will have a pretty good idea. So why exactly can Rit's mayor push in no way be by possible mafia? Does that also make HF 100% confirmed town to you too now? This game must be easy for a player of your caliber. So many confirmed people in your mind, it makes me wonder if you already knew alignments or something.

That's not the only issue I have with this post. The one person who Odin actually calls out is the beleaguered Palmar who basically everyone wants to lynch at this point. That's just a very weak read and Palmar is probably a pretty good bus target right now for scum under fire to gain some cred off of.

My thoughts on Palmar at the time (still to date) are not plainly obvious..
Let me re-iterate for you.
-Palmar claims anti town.
-?
I don't even understand how you are calling my read "weak"
If so why/how are you justifying it for literally everyone else?

Odin finishes this post by doing something I personally hate which is telling everyone about something someone did and then not drawing any concrete conclusions. He starts with HF and concludes that "HF does this sort of thing all the time as both town/scum." Fantastic, why did we need to know that? HF is in no immediate danger of dying so why the need to inform the thread about your confusion, it's nothing more than a soft defense of HF without actually coming out and saying it.

Well obviously not all of us agree that because HF first post like half an hour into the game was a mayor push makes him confirmed town. Please guide us. And yes, I was defending HF if that wasn't obvious. I didn't have a strong read on him at the time and it's funny that you are trying to throw dirt on me over and over again here for not knowing knowing peoples alignments.

He then comments that layabout hasn't done anything, once again a very easy thing to say.

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Lastly, he bring up mderg's progression on rit for mayor and calls in "unnatural." Ironically enough, the manner in which he presents the progression is honestly pretty logical to me and this just seems like an attempt to throw dirt on mderg without actually calling him scummy.[/spoiler]

Ok your last two points are actually one point. I mentioned before I was confused between mderg/Laya.
So of course I'm going to explain why I think each of them are questionable.
You are saying that you would of preferred I had just popped into thread and been like, "meh no clue" with 0 explanation? Furthermore, you completely ignore the convo me and mderg had at that time.
Why do you think I did that? I asked him about his thought process because his didn't make sense to me.
He did give it to me, and if it wasn't clear from my response to his response, the post of mine you later quote where I am replying to him obviously was me more trying to feel out mderg.

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I HATE posts like this. Rit seems to be making friends, does that make him scum? Rit's posting feels forced, does that make him scum? It's elaborate and gives you bad vibes, does that make him scum? Odin presents a lot of things rit is doing and neither gives examples of why he feels that way or makes a solid conclusion. Like, c'mon man, you KNOW that either rit or I have to be scum. For some reason it's incredibly hard for odin to form a solid read (other than Palmar lol). When I started off the game I wanted to solve my own cell first because I had a whopping 50% chance of doing that. HF mentioned that one of the things he liked about odin was that he was reading the whole game. That's great, but at this point he can't even give a solid read on his own cell which honestly just screams scum who's not certain which cell member he'll have a better chance to misslynch.
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And you present a lot of things like unless you already know it for a fact you should just shush up and not talk about it.
If I don't understand something (Yes, believe it or not this happens pretty often..) I ask questions about it.
I don't mind if you don't like those questions. But I don't understand how you are scum reading me for trying to come to solid conclusions.

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Ok this post is gonna be rough, bear with me. I'm first gonna talk about why the red on the innermost quote is wrong.
His first read paragraph reads like a scum scared to get lynched. He freakin references the scum team laughing at him dying which is just so alarmist as to be comical. He once again calls rit's play "odd." Like what the fuck does that even mean? Is that scummy? We don't know because odin doesn't take a stand

Odd-differing in nature from what is ordinary, usual, or expected: an odd choice.
Rit's post felt weird to me. They didn't sit right. I still don't necessarily agree with them, but I'm starting to come around to maby understanding his logic behind them.
Let me give you an example of something that I find odd.
You, throwing dirt at me over and over and over again for trying to come to conclusions instead of already having them.
I'm sorry, not everyone get's to be scum MZ. Some of us actually have to try to play the game to discern alignments of other players.

Next red paragraph: His whole fault with rit's plan is that he thinks it opens the opportunity for a mislynch, also he calls our Palmar, his only real read, again.

Next red paragraph: here's he's just trying to create a problem, ritkoy wants to kill Palmar just as much as odin supposedly does, however he feels the need to once again say that something is off because rit won't put B in front of C, DESPITE the fact that rit literally says in his post that he'd be willing to change the order. This smacks of willful missreading on the part of odin.

Your argument against me is:
-Odin thinks it's funny that Rit doesn't want to put his second highest scum read at the time to the rope before his null reads.
-Rit did say that. but by the time I had replied to this, Rit had made a pretty strong suggestion that he was going to put Cell C in front of B. So your point is out-dated and trying intent fully to misrepresent what I said.

Last red paragraph: he's butthurt everyone wants A to go first because nobody wants to deal with a group where no one has posted. But odin once again construes this as bad because clearly rit is plotting with me

Yes one of you is conspiring with the other. That much I know. Who's pocket is in whoms, I wasn't sure about.
But my catch up today leads me to lean towards Rit's actions being genuinely gung hoe town, you as scum being estatic to have such a useful face man, and just sheeping everything he says.

In conclusion, odin says the post is "fishy" and "has an obvious agenda." Really? You just fucking analyzed this dude in red text and you can't take a strong position on it? The only agenda I saw reading this post was the one where odin portrayed ritoky as scummy for putting D and E last when that's what literally everyone in the thread wanted. I really feel like people either only red the read text or didn't read the post at all because there is nothing about this post that "looks good" or "looks town." This feels like a contrived mess from a scum who's been caught and isn't sure which misslynch will be his saving grace. Odin has been tunnel city on ritoky and still can't even call him scum.[/spoiler]

[b]I used red text last time because I thought it would be easier to read. Here I used bolded this time, better? So freaking what? Maby I'll use yellow next time around. Who knows! And the fact you say I didn't come to a conclusion from it is just a blatant lie. If it was not obvious from my analysis on what my thoughts about Rit were at the time then.. I dunno, sorry I guess for not stating in italicized capital bold letters that I thought Rit was the probable scum in my group?
Even more so that said analysis wasn't even directed at Rit and more in response to mderg while I tried to understand his thought process?

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His last chance to produce an actual read and the best he can do is say he doesn't want rit for mayor and votes batsnacks. This vote is odd as a townie because batsnacks doesn't want B to go first which was odin's whole problem with ritoky's plan, however as a scum it makes sense because it puts C first so Odin won't be under fire right away.

[b] I voted the only mayor wagon that was not Rit because I was fairly concerned with Rit at the time.
Excuse me for trying to prevent him from dictating what I saw, and still see as a easy mis-lynch opportunity.
The only thorn in your side on this plan is, I replaced into it.
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I highly encourage everyone to actually read odin's filter (it's short I promise and it's all in this post in case you forget) because I feel like at the moment there are people parroting what others have said regrading odin's towniness.

On May 29 2014 22:12 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Ok, so I'm just going to address this first since it's the most recent.

On May 29 2014 06:05 ritoky wrote:


Well in my mind, there exist two worlds as of now: the world where MZ and poofter are mafia together and they are so deep in my pockets that it is unbelievable, or the world where Odin is mafia. As you can tell from my reads, I am living in world 2. So if Odin is mafia, his strategy to try and break into the group would be to target me or MZ, and he chose me so far. IF mderg is mafia with Odin, he could very easily helped push that agenda or it was a very clever scheme to distance himself from Odin. I just don't really see them being mafia together in my mind, and as of now Odin is 90% mafia in my mind.

Why have I dropped on bunnies? Well I was asleep when she posted the thing I really didn't like, which was he cell order. The thing I least like about it is that she places her cell 3rd. I just don't get the argument behind it. I am on board with batsnacks about the mayor putting his cell 1st. I could also come to understand that if everyone believes the mayor is 100% town and someone else in their cell is 90% town, then you could put that group last and have "confirmed" towns for the duration of the game. That said, it is not what George Washington has decreed. I also don't like he placement of D or B. I think putting D 2nd makes me skeptical as hell and I don't like her justification for it. I think it might be indicative of belief that it is an easy ML group. I also don't like cell B last, because I think it will be a very clear town win.

On May 29 2014 08:47 Tehpoofter wrote:
So I'm going to give my reads as they stand now currently. strength of read wise green > blue > red towny to scum

Cell A

ritoky - I initially voted him for the lawls felt very Colbert Report and there was a bunch of people that hadn't spoke. Then he came out with a big reads post talking about where he stood and had good solid reasoning for it. He seemed to be trying to solve the game and I liked his plan maybe not exactly what I would do but close. I'd have run myself but knew I would be out for 12-14 of the 24 hours. I think he can keep the freedom stuff I think its funny and it seems to piss enough people off to generate some bs discussion that mafia can cling to and be more obvious they want to talk about anything except the game.

Do you have any opinion on my thoughts about Rit? You completely ignore them if you do here. Are my arguments baseless, stupid, and you're totes willing to lynch for for it now? You think I may be misguided? What? We already know Rit at this time was town read by like 95% of the thread.

MZ I like that his reads aligned with mine early. He seemed to be game solving early he has been gone as of late but so was I so pot kettle situation. He did buddy up it seemed to ritoky but it didn't give me much pause until Odin came to the thread. Honestly had this cell locked until Odin spoke.

Yes. This is entirely my problem. Thrawn is a known D1 lurker regardless of alignment. So why all the sudden, god forbids, he have a family emergency or something (No, I have no clue why thrawn replaced. It's none of my business and I did not ask.) should he be auto scum? Oh, righto, it's convenient . This "mod confirmed town" reaction going on between these two, even without knowing one of them has to be scum, makes me think at least one of them WOULD be regardless.
Given that I know each cell has one, WHO is it? So what's you're opinion now? What have you got to say about Rit, MZ, and myself?

OdinI think HF (i think it was him) brought up the point that his reaction wasn't to go on MZ but to go on ritoky this is interesting because as a scum going into the thread he would know that concensus in the thread at the time was ritoky was getting pretty much town read by everyone and if he knows the alignmetns of his cell he can throw scum on the other guy and have a much easier time of getting him lynched (in this setup you're all about surviving your lynch as mafia) so the thinking is a bit different. I'm actually kinda glad that its not as cut and dry because while if it was and we hit thats awesome but on the off chance we were wrong a split vote gives us more info imo.

Pls acknowledge stuff that I say. It's not that I don't find MZ questionable. I was curious on who was trying to ploy onto who. At the time of my post I believed Rit's was trying to flamboyantly stamp his seal onto MZ's heart for the misslynch. I wasn't sure who was scum between them but it was obvious who was calling the shots. But then again (If you read my recent post), this can go both ways. Why would a scum MZ bring protest if he's scum? He knows I'm town? How happier could he be that the only other person, other than myself, could sway his cell? No, he'd be beside himself. Ez pz mislynch in the bag GG Scum for D1.
Yes, it was pretty obvious I was more willing to write off MZ lack of contribution/fluff as a annoyed VT than Rit going about things the way he does. I mean, even now looking back, I still stand by my point. If you (or anyone else) doesn't agree then ok. Talk to me about it. But the way I see it Rit's post are very strongly inclined to gain town favor, push a Cell A cycle 1, and be gone before anyone can question him about it. I do admit, with the private knowledge to me, the fact I'm town makes his push seems super awkward. But who wouldn't be put off by knowing that one of the other people in their cell is scum by a hard push D1 by what looks like the simplest lynch ever?
Who (Other than MZ) can say that, if I'm not scum, they would be (I repeat) dancing in their shoes for such an easily lynched townie.


Cell C

HF His mayor post was towny his reasoning of staying around wanting the game to start reads more town to me. I didn't vote for him because while I think he is town he has fooled me before (glory mafia) so him not having power is fine by me. I also feel like his posting has been pressuring people like with mderg on inconsistencies.

His Mayor post was null imo. His early play behind it was null. His follow up past half the day was null.
That's the explicit reason I found HF a worrying concept for a D2 lynch. Ye, you people can call it policy. But it's not. And you're just trying to stroke your e*BONUS* for saying it is.
HF hasn't won like 12/13 games as either alignment for being bad.
HF is a solid townplayer whenever he is town. He may not make sense to you. But I do implore you, please do a TL search for CHUPAZI. This dude would strait up warp peoples minds. No, I could never read him. But from post game statistics he always had a reason to say what he would say. The one time I pushed myself to implore these things, I modkilled myself because Chupazi is an omnipresent being. You cannot understand him for he is not to be understood.
In the wakes of such things, reading remedial things make so much more sense to me.
HF makes so much more sense to me. I can usually get an idea of HF alignment. Am I saying I'm right 100% of the time?
Heavens no. am I right even 95%?,85%? I'm right about HF alignment in games a stuningly low 71.214% of the time (per my calc.) But does that mean that my reasoning is wrong?
Also, no.
HF is just a good player.
Which is the 100%,entire, completely the trueth, 100% statically proven, seriously just do it, it might as well be TLM fucking ban rules, that you wait and see. The odds of you guessing it, on D1 no less, are so stunningly low, to claim that you know it would be retarted.

All of that is to simply say, in lamest terms (And ye, it took a whole paragraph since for SOME STUPID FUCKING REASON) Since he will be up to lynch day 2 I highly recommend you guys to focus that Cell.

Cell A is stupid. Make a decision after I flip town and move on.
What much more important to town now, is tomorrow's lynch of Cell C.
Think about it.
Really hard.
Because if scum doesn't flip on tomorrows cycle it will be incredibly hard imo to place them.

Sorry for spelling mistakes,. I'm kind of driunk atm.

batsnacks His mayor campaign was okay but I felt like enough scummy people jumped on it that they probably favored his cell order over ritoky. This however makes me think that bat isn't scum because scum wouldn't want to group up so easily and so early they'd be more likely to attach to a town than to one of their own. His post about how he would make the order with the group was convoluted but I felt it came from a townie side of thought. I need to hear more to be fully convinced but he is townier than Shaiopi.

[green] So I was one of those, Why not comment on what I'ver posted so far? What about Bats mayor push seems odd to you? What about the people who voted for it (Whom which I was one of ) seemed odd to you?

Shaiopi I haven't remembered anything he said I was making this list and just read his filter cause I totally forgot he was in the game but none of his posts really stood out to me and this is more PoE than anything. I'd like to hear more

[green] Out of my choices for this cell., Shio is the scum. HF is reading very town to me atm. I don't have strong feeling for Bats. And before everyone jumps my case. Bats isn't a huge scum read. Both Bats/Shio read very null to me. They don;t contribute much of anything. It will take more hasing out. But again. that is a huge point agains't the order that has been chosen. They will not have that time now. Odds are tomorrow.. Ppl will have to guess. THat's exactly what scum want to happen. Scum want the town to have to guess on lynch cycle A (me) and then guess on lynch cycle B. If town choose wrong twice in this.... scum are so very close to winning. and now that Rit has decided the path... we must be very careful.


Cell B

Palmer That thing he said early that I quoted seemed like Deja vu tbh. He also hasn't done much for the thread at all even when he wasn't trying as town in Yoso he spoke up more than this and was trying to solve the game. WoS alos looks entirely more townie. I would like to hear more from Palmer if he is town cause the worst would be losing my own cell since I have the most knowledge on it.
Tehpoofter The Hero town Wants and Deserves.
WoS He has been getting a lot of the same reads as me and seems to be trying to solve the game. Honestly if he wasn't in my cell I'd have him as green but he has a 50% chance of being mafia so I don't want to get pocketed here. But I would consider him among my top 5 town atm.


Cell D

Tambo Rng/numbers talk, this seems different from the golden sun game as there he at least had that really large post that to me sounded townie in that he was actively going through his thought process even though he didn't have any concrete conclusions. I'm glad he is in a later group because knowing him from video mafia his late game is better than his early game as town and as mafia he just doesn't step it up late. I know he has been busy but talk to me tambo (I still need your fake claim)

Need to filter

ObiWan There can't be 2 mafia in the same cell so this cell is really confusing because he is actively not trying to engage the thread it felt like last night he swung by to "show up" and then left just enough to get by.

[b]Seriously? Look at this guys last 10 post and tell me if you think he's town.

Sloosh Well there REALLY can't be three scum in a cell and he was trying to work the game out earlier even going to old games for research to me thats more townie than mafia because he did it of his own free will it wasn't like it was asked or hinted at by someone. I didn't much care for his analysis and he seemed to not have read properly but he read so that shows a mindset of wanting to find out who scum is.




Cell E

layabout Abrasive about odd things in the thread. He doesn't seem to want to push the conversation any further or solve the game he seems to just want to interject. I also don't care for a lot of his reasoning on the batsnacks vote. I wouldn't be surprised if him and Shaiopi both turn out to be mafia voting there.

People are dogging on me for this read.. What..? Ok, to be clear. ALL OF YOU ARE PROBS SCUM.

bunnies Bunnies looks to me like every other forum mafia game shes played asking questions and pushing her reads even if I feel like they're different than mine. She definitely is my town pick for this group.

[green] Bunnies is matching her active post-full self to me atm. I have had some strong problems of logic in my own mind with this...But it's mostly just me building barriers in my mind

mderg I can't make up my mind on mderg atm. I feel like he makes a post and I think "that was pretty town" then the next one "wow scummy" its like there is two types of posts from him but atm layabout has been consistently scummy so he reads more town to me because of that. I need to reread the thing HF brought up when I was reading it I was unsure how I felt about it. I'm glad this group is one of the later ones though.




This turned out to be more wall of text than I planned. Again GReen is most town then Blue then Red is scummy obviously.