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On May 29 2014 06:05 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 05:51 Holyflare wrote:
Right there's been 12 pages since then and now and you've failed to update us on any of it or pressure anyone but give summarised reads, you had a strong town read on bunnies like the quote i just showed you but nothing in the 12 pages that you've seen so far since that read should have swayed you to her being not-town. Therefore cell E should actually be your STRONGEST cell so far and should be far far far ahead of everything else (apart from your own cell) because layabout would be a very easy lynch for you.
Mderg only admitted he was wrong because he was pressured with evidence to the contrary by Odin (+ points odin). Do mafia under pressure admit they were wrong when there is evidence present or stick it out and flat out lie in the face of an obvious mistake? Well in my mind, there exist two worlds as of now: the world where MZ and poofter are mafia together and they are so deep in my pockets that it is unbelievable, or the world where Odin is mafia. As you can tell from my reads, I am living in world 2. So if Odin is mafia, his strategy to try and break into the group would be to target me or MZ, and he chose me so far. IF mderg is mafia with Odin, he could very easily helped push that agenda or it was a very clever scheme to distance himself from Odin. I just don't really see them being mafia together in my mind, and as of now Odin is 90% mafia in my mind. Why have I dropped on bunnies? Well I was asleep when she posted the thing I really didn't like, which was he cell order. The thing I least like about it is that she places her cell 3rd. I just don't get the argument behind it. I am on board with batsnacks about the mayor putting his cell 1st. I could also come to understand that if everyone believes the mayor is 100% town and someone else in their cell is 90% town, then you could put that group last and have "confirmed" towns for the duration of the game. That said, it is not what George Washington has decreed. I also don't like he placement of D or B. I think putting D 2nd makes me skeptical as hell and I don't like her justification for it. I think it might be indicative of belief that it is an easy ML group. I also don't like cell B last, because I think it will be a very clear town win.
I dont really see your justification for putting my group last. Do you think this group would be better as a final lylo situation, especially with one person in the cell who really isnt posting much? Also, i feel i have a good read on tamburini in general, so i wouldnt mind him going second to hear him talk more. Why would I want a mislynch? Are you calling me mafia because of my cell order?
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On May 29 2014 06:19 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 06:15 ShiaoPi wrote:
it is. you are looking at it from the perspective of how you would play scum. Does not necessarily mean it is optimal or anything or how another player will go at it. I have played scum enough times to get into the mindset of anyone that plays scum. He's never played mafia afaik (from the database) so this would be his FIRST time playing scum. First time scum are super nervous about doing anything out of the ordinary, they fit into trends, they will follow people, they won't speak their mind and they won't go against the grain of the town to speak up on something that no many people agree with. His agenda is to win a point, going after someone with pretty much town reads from 100% of people is not what a first time mafia would do.
So let's just play your scenario. You think that if I was mafia I would be "super nervous about doing anything our of the ordinary", "try to fit into trends", and "follow people"; on the grounds that it is my first time as scum in TL mafia.
So how does pushing for mayor the hardest out of anyone, being the first to post the logic behind my cell order, and making big flashy posts that have caused a lot of people to sheep me; line up with those characteristics?
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didn't tambo just troll in golden sun as town?
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On May 29 2014 06:19 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 06:15 ShiaoPi wrote:
it is. you are looking at it from the perspective of how you would play scum. Does not necessarily mean it is optimal or anything or how another player will go at it. I have played scum enough times to get into the mindset of anyone that plays scum. He's never played mafia afaik (from the database) so this would be his FIRST time playing scum. First time scum are super nervous about doing anything out of the ordinary, they fit into trends, they will follow people, they won't speak their mind and they won't go against the grain of the town to speak up on something that no many people agree with. His agenda is to win a point, going after someone with pretty much town reads from 100% of people is not what a first time mafia would do.
would do. See the subjunctive? You cannot know for sure, so I call it wifom. whatever with batsnacks spewing town you are scum in our cell anyway
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On May 29 2014 06:27 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 06:19 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 06:15 ShiaoPi wrote:
it is. you are looking at it from the perspective of how you would play scum. Does not necessarily mean it is optimal or anything or how another player will go at it. I have played scum enough times to get into the mindset of anyone that plays scum. He's never played mafia afaik (from the database) so this would be his FIRST time playing scum. First time scum are super nervous about doing anything out of the ordinary, they fit into trends, they will follow people, they won't speak their mind and they won't go against the grain of the town to speak up on something that no many people agree with. His agenda is to win a point, going after someone with pretty much town reads from 100% of people is not what a first time mafia would do. So let's just play your scenario. You think that if I was mafia I would be "super nervous about doing anything our of the ordinary", "try to fit into trends", and "follow people"; on the grounds that it is my first time as scum in TL mafia. So how does pushing for mayor the hardest out of anyone, being the first to post the logic behind my cell order, and making big flashy posts that have caused a lot of people to sheep me; line up with those characteristics?
originally i thought you'd be mafia because your reads don't add up at all but you actually explained your stuff and it made sense in your way, even if it's really wrong and yes your mayor post was an exact copy of mine so you were technically following a trend -.-
either way, i think mz is the scum in your group
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On May 29 2014 06:27 Holyflare wrote:
didn't tambo just troll in golden sun as town?
I'm not sure if you would consider that trolling.
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On May 29 2014 06:29 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 06:27 ritoky wrote:On May 29 2014 06:19 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 06:15 ShiaoPi wrote:
it is. you are looking at it from the perspective of how you would play scum. Does not necessarily mean it is optimal or anything or how another player will go at it. I have played scum enough times to get into the mindset of anyone that plays scum. He's never played mafia afaik (from the database) so this would be his FIRST time playing scum. First time scum are super nervous about doing anything out of the ordinary, they fit into trends, they will follow people, they won't speak their mind and they won't go against the grain of the town to speak up on something that no many people agree with. His agenda is to win a point, going after someone with pretty much town reads from 100% of people is not what a first time mafia would do. So let's just play your scenario. You think that if I was mafia I would be "super nervous about doing anything our of the ordinary", "try to fit into trends", and "follow people"; on the grounds that it is my first time as scum in TL mafia. So how does pushing for mayor the hardest out of anyone, being the first to post the logic behind my cell order, and making big flashy posts that have caused a lot of people to sheep me; line up with those characteristics? originally i thought you'd be mafia because your reads don't add up at all but you actually explained your stuff and it made sense in your way, even if it's really wrong and yes your mayor post was an exact copy of mine so you were technically following a trend -.- either way, i think mz is the scum in your group
you know, tbh I am still disappointed that I didn't get a laugh out of you in the thread. I hope it made you laugh irl.
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On May 29 2014 06:19 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 06:15 ShiaoPi wrote:
it is. you are looking at it from the perspective of how you would play scum. Does not necessarily mean it is optimal or anything or how another player will go at it. I have played scum enough times to get into the mindset of anyone that plays scum. He's never played mafia afaik (from the database) so this would be his FIRST time playing scum. First time scum are super nervous about doing anything out of the ordinary, they fit into trends, they will follow people, they won't speak their mind and they won't go against the grain of the town to speak up on something that no many people agree with. His agenda is to win a point, going after someone with pretty much town reads from 100% of people is not what a first time mafia would do.
my first scum game was one of my most active and confident games i have played, you are tlaking out of your arse
why would a townie want their cell to go first? Mafia wanting to go first i get but town....
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On May 29 2014 06:25 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 06:05 ritoky wrote:On May 29 2014 05:51 Holyflare wrote:
Right there's been 12 pages since then and now and you've failed to update us on any of it or pressure anyone but give summarised reads, you had a strong town read on bunnies like the quote i just showed you but nothing in the 12 pages that you've seen so far since that read should have swayed you to her being not-town. Therefore cell E should actually be your STRONGEST cell so far and should be far far far ahead of everything else (apart from your own cell) because layabout would be a very easy lynch for you.
Mderg only admitted he was wrong because he was pressured with evidence to the contrary by Odin (+ points odin). Do mafia under pressure admit they were wrong when there is evidence present or stick it out and flat out lie in the face of an obvious mistake? Well in my mind, there exist two worlds as of now: the world where MZ and poofter are mafia together and they are so deep in my pockets that it is unbelievable, or the world where Odin is mafia. As you can tell from my reads, I am living in world 2. So if Odin is mafia, his strategy to try and break into the group would be to target me or MZ, and he chose me so far. IF mderg is mafia with Odin, he could very easily helped push that agenda or it was a very clever scheme to distance himself from Odin. I just don't really see them being mafia together in my mind, and as of now Odin is 90% mafia in my mind. Why have I dropped on bunnies? Well I was asleep when she posted the thing I really didn't like, which was he cell order. The thing I least like about it is that she places her cell 3rd. I just don't get the argument behind it. I am on board with batsnacks about the mayor putting his cell 1st. I could also come to understand that if everyone believes the mayor is 100% town and someone else in their cell is 90% town, then you could put that group last and have "confirmed" towns for the duration of the game. That said, it is not what George Washington has decreed. I also don't like he placement of D or B. I think putting D 2nd makes me skeptical as hell and I don't like her justification for it. I think it might be indicative of belief that it is an easy ML group. I also don't like cell B last, because I think it will be a very clear town win. I dont really see your justification for putting my group last. Do you think this group would be better as a final lylo situation, especially with one person in the cell who really isnt posting much? Also, i feel i have a good read on tamburini in general, so i wouldnt mind him going second to hear him talk more. Why would I want a mislynch? Are you calling me mafia because of my cell order?
I think Cell A is obvious, Cell C will generate a lot of alignment indicative information, Cell B will be obvious, E I have no Idea, and D I don't trust in final LYLO.
Do I think you're mafia because of your cell order? No, but I think it drops you below mderg into 2nd most townie in your cell as of now.
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On May 29 2014 06:33 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 06:19 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 06:15 ShiaoPi wrote:
it is. you are looking at it from the perspective of how you would play scum. Does not necessarily mean it is optimal or anything or how another player will go at it. I have played scum enough times to get into the mindset of anyone that plays scum. He's never played mafia afaik (from the database) so this would be his FIRST time playing scum. First time scum are super nervous about doing anything out of the ordinary, they fit into trends, they will follow people, they won't speak their mind and they won't go against the grain of the town to speak up on something that no many people agree with. His agenda is to win a point, going after someone with pretty much town reads from 100% of people is not what a first time mafia would do. my first scum game was one of my most active and confident games i have played, you are tlaking out of your arse why would a townie want their cell to go first? Mafia wanting to go first i get but town....
yes, that's another way to play when it screams out that you have too much information -.- does odin look like either of those?
i have no idea what you're talking about for the last sentence
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@HF could you explain your Meapak read?
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On May 29 2014 06:39 ritoky wrote:
@HF could you explain your Meapak read?
other than he's done nothing and I like odin's inquisitive posting? no
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you see, odin is trying to figure out other people! he's playing the rest of the game! Half of you are just sitting back and debating cell orders and not trying to figure out what anyone is saying at any point at all
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On May 29 2014 06:34 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 06:25 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 29 2014 06:05 ritoky wrote:On May 29 2014 05:51 Holyflare wrote:
Right there's been 12 pages since then and now and you've failed to update us on any of it or pressure anyone but give summarised reads, you had a strong town read on bunnies like the quote i just showed you but nothing in the 12 pages that you've seen so far since that read should have swayed you to her being not-town. Therefore cell E should actually be your STRONGEST cell so far and should be far far far ahead of everything else (apart from your own cell) because layabout would be a very easy lynch for you.
Mderg only admitted he was wrong because he was pressured with evidence to the contrary by Odin (+ points odin). Do mafia under pressure admit they were wrong when there is evidence present or stick it out and flat out lie in the face of an obvious mistake? Well in my mind, there exist two worlds as of now: the world where MZ and poofter are mafia together and they are so deep in my pockets that it is unbelievable, or the world where Odin is mafia. As you can tell from my reads, I am living in world 2. So if Odin is mafia, his strategy to try and break into the group would be to target me or MZ, and he chose me so far. IF mderg is mafia with Odin, he could very easily helped push that agenda or it was a very clever scheme to distance himself from Odin. I just don't really see them being mafia together in my mind, and as of now Odin is 90% mafia in my mind. Why have I dropped on bunnies? Well I was asleep when she posted the thing I really didn't like, which was he cell order. The thing I least like about it is that she places her cell 3rd. I just don't get the argument behind it. I am on board with batsnacks about the mayor putting his cell 1st. I could also come to understand that if everyone believes the mayor is 100% town and someone else in their cell is 90% town, then you could put that group last and have "confirmed" towns for the duration of the game. That said, it is not what George Washington has decreed. I also don't like he placement of D or B. I think putting D 2nd makes me skeptical as hell and I don't like her justification for it. I think it might be indicative of belief that it is an easy ML group. I also don't like cell B last, because I think it will be a very clear town win. I dont really see your justification for putting my group last. Do you think this group would be better as a final lylo situation, especially with one person in the cell who really isnt posting much? Also, i feel i have a good read on tamburini in general, so i wouldnt mind him going second to hear him talk more. Why would I want a mislynch? Are you calling me mafia because of my cell order? I think Cell A is obvious, Cell C will generate a lot of alignment indicative information, Cell B will be obvious, E I have no Idea, and D I don't trust in final LYLO. Do I think you're mafia because of your cell order? No, but I think it drops you below mderg into 2nd most townie in your cell as of now.
You dont trust cell d in a lylo, i get. I didnt put that last. And yet you dont know about my cell, but would put us in a lylo position?
These are the stupidest reasonings i have ever heard.
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On May 29 2014 04:19 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:16 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 29 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote: The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is. bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor! Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null. This is really your argument on mayor being useless? when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too Ive never played cell mafia on forum besides this game here, and i didnt read the first cell game here. Im only basing mine on video play. The first game i played, i was mayor, and town, and i changed the order slightly from what town wanted, because i thought it was best. And it would have worked if i didnt get mislynched when my turn came for it. Also second game, which you were in, yes, nydus was the mayor, and he changed the order, he was mafia. So town or mafia could do it. I dont think it gives that much info based on order change from a mayor. nydus was town, regardless, people in video are completely COMPLETELY different because they do not have 24 hours to talk about it and get all their thoughts out in the open, their reads are also not entirely concrete etc, here you are much more accountable for everything that you write and town are very unlikely to change the order at all because there's no new information or anything they can ponder on over the night because they have to make the cell order immediately at the end of the day if you want to take the video mafia metric into account nydus changed the order around but everyone was town reading him and his play as mafia is super obvious the later the game goes on, he changed himself to third in the order so by logical reasoning he was very very obviously town even though banks (mafia) tried to push that point against him
As far as I've seen changing the order is more town than mafia because town knows they are doing what they think is best. Mafia is more like to worry about the scum they will get from changing because people tend to get uppity about it. I think the mayor position should be given to someone paying attention to the game ritoky seems to be doing that at the least giving reads on people who have/had spoken. The order can help town or hurt town for example if we think we have a lock scum and end up being wrong it can put us in a whirlwind if they go first. The good news is that its information. I actually agree with the non chatty folks going later because there will be voting records to go with their non-chattiness. The only worry I have for this is modkills the last game was plagued by them and inactivity so I would hate for that to happen this game because it effects this game WAY MORE than any other game so please try to be around if you're town (or honestly scum because winning off a modkill is not how i want to win)
(and it was a shame I couldnt get the ML on nydus for changing the order  silly town)
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On May 29 2014 06:44 Holyflare wrote:
putting cell c second will be a mistake
just put it first
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On May 29 2014 06:41 Holyflare wrote:
you see, odin is trying to figure out other people! he's playing the rest of the game! Half of you are just sitting back and debating cell orders and not trying to figure out what anyone is saying at any point at all
I was actually gonna comment on odin.
I like that he is posting now and asking questions and reading into things.
I think because many people auto viewed him as scum because of thrawns lackof posting is stupid.
I also think mz and ritoky took advantage of this fact and one of mz and ritoky could be scum in their cell.
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On May 29 2014 06:45 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 06:44 Holyflare wrote:
putting cell c second will be a mistake just put it first
if you are only going to repeatedly say that I am scum in our cell but never bother to contribute to anything else in the entire game I think our cell will be very self evident after all 
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On May 29 2014 04:53 Holyflare wrote:
lol what's with the 2 scummy ppl returning for batsnacks
I know right?
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