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On May 03 2014 06:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: /cohost You were going to play cannons and now you go play cohost. meh. | ||
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On May 04 2014 00:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh, didn't know cannons got canceled. Meh, don't really feel like playing a real game. You don't want to seek Glory? | ||
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Where is Vivax? | ||
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No I think that is you. Are you going to play your towniest this game? | ||
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He made a joke. jokes are good. I think I am just going to sit here and let Vivax solve the game. If he didn't solve the game in 47 hours we lynch his ass. No excuses. | ||
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amagad how do you ever get lynched? | ||
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On May 05 2014 07:42 Vivax wrote: Sure, unless you're mafia then I have to tunnel you and that doesn't seem friendly. No worries. Koshi is always totes town. | ||
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On May 05 2014 07:52 Vivax wrote: Yea I'm going to bed. Time to wait for Oats and the other two dudes to post. Why is Oats special? | ||
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Anybody here? | ||
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On May 05 2014 17:02 Steveling wrote: quite early for beer. Got any scumreads or super townreads? | ||
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On May 05 2014 17:07 Steveling wrote: Well cav got a bit edgy fast. Are you talking about the lurking business? | ||
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On May 05 2014 17:36 Steveling wrote: No, about his defencive stance about the whole thing. Are you serious? | ||
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On May 05 2014 11:51 Steveling wrote: Because he twisted things and meanings, that's what scum do. He said he was gonna lurk from now on, then he said that he's not lurking right now. You said he twisted things and meanings, was this about the lurking or was there more? | ||
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On May 05 2014 11:54 Steveling wrote: No but why are you sweating so much couple hours in the game while we joke around. You scum. When you wrote this: Was Cav joking around as well or was he being serious as only one? What made you think that Cav was serious about the lurking? Are you voting Cav because he voted you? | ||
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On May 05 2014 18:36 Steveling wrote: You are not making much sense. You are saying his vote on me was a joke? Everybody his vote on everybody was a joke. This entire game is a joke. You are the one saying that Cav is the one that stopped joking as first and made a serious vote on you with a serious reason "steve is scum I can go lurk now" and then you call Cav scum for coming back to the thread 5 mins later. How can you be still be defending this? | ||
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On May 05 2014 18:32 thrawn2112 wrote: hey guys whats up. i have nothing to contribute atm. but i am down to chat What do you make of Steve? | ||
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rofl. Yes. Perfect answer. You think the votes on Vivax are real? You think the votes on you are real? | ||
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On May 05 2014 19:01 thrawn2112 wrote: he is my most nully read mostely becaue he said he like playing scum. so there are different standards nad i have been drinking vodka which, for me, is basically a truth serum, so ask of me what you will Are you town? | ||
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On May 05 2014 19:06 Steveling wrote: Well, between me asking people if they are scum and koshi asking people if they are town I think this game is dead. Where's everyone? You don't like the attention? | ||
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On May 05 2014 19:06 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah i'm so so town. next question. Who is the most scummy Oats or Holyflare? | ||
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Why are you lurking? | ||
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On May 05 2014 19:19 Vivax wrote: I'm waiting for Cav to reply to that cause that post looks slightly scummy to me although I have trouble saying exactly why. Not much worth of my attention besides that since a lot of it is people not posting anything of value. So what do you make of Steve blowing up at Cav? You agree that Cav was just joking with that vote on Steve? You agree Cav was joking when he said he would lurk? | ||
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Maybe. We shall wait and see. | ||
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With what do you agree? | ||
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I will let you know. So with what do you agree? | ||
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Hi mderg! | ||
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On May 06 2014 01:15 Holyflare wrote: However, I do note that the differences between Titanic and here is that Vivax "wants to know more" here, whereas he states in Titanic things are fact. Which brings me to Koshi's response. I want him to answer this first before I go to any conclusions but it was a super odd response after just berating people for calling cav suspicious: What Vivax says is that cav gave serious reasoning for a trow away vote that was at the same time evasive. I agree with that when I read it. I was pressuring steveling about his push on cav because it didnt make any sense and steve refuses to explain it. Explain to me why cav is scum because he said he was going to lurk and then makes the next post after that. Also explain to me why Vivax gives Oats townread for lying. | ||
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On May 06 2014 02:38 Cavalinho wrote: Why does anyone have to like anything about my post in the first place? It was a post I made when everyone was goofing off, and then all of a sudden I start watching out for L-2 botes and I'm the most suspicious guy in the thread? Wtf? How is that even a logical conclusion to jump to at all? I do want to hear more from Koshi I guess, but Vivax is super suspicious to me right now. Steveling is doing silly shit too, but is pushing a possible inconsistency. I can see his line of thinking making sense, albeit being incorrect. Vivax is twisting shit. Why would I bother mentioning you at all in a joke post? Why would I willingly just put you at L-2 for no reason whatsoever, off of yet another joke post? Furthermore, why would I need to justify myself when the case on you is obviously fake? What are you trying to pull? About what? | ||
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On May 06 2014 02:56 Holyflare wrote: So what you're saying here is that scum do things that make them look towny all the time......? So you're saying that what he did makes him try to "appear" towny!? That is so backwards. I see it like this -> we're pissing around I make some joke thing on you and me and thrawn joke vote you. Then I do the same thing with steveling, if we all went on you then that would be L-1 (big risk for obvious joke) poofter goes on steve to avoid this, cav does the same to avoid being at l-2. You return and point out that he hasn't talked about you and that he voted steve without saying anything!?!?!? and you rationalise it by saying he went all serious mode for no reason...? That's what I don't understand and subsequently WHY koshi's response is so unfathomably strange and I want to know what he liked about cav's post before you said anything Dafuq? I didnt like shit. Where did I say that? | ||
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On May 06 2014 04:45 Holyflare wrote: Joke vote on steve -> not scummy -> vivax posts reasons that don't make sense if you think that it was a joke vote -> you say you agree with vivax explain to me how that makes any sense whatsoever? I see joke post by Cav voting for Steve. Vivax points out it is a joke vote but reasoning is serious but evasive. I agree. | ||
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On May 06 2014 04:55 Holyflare wrote: how the fuck can it be both a joke vote and serious/evasive....? THAT'S THE PROBLEM | ||
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steve went full serious but also full retard. /shrug | ||
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Vivax why is Oats supertown? | ||
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The moment you had a supertown read on Oats he had 4(!) posts. So you can't say he wasn't passive. 1 post was about how I am playing forced. 1 was a post about how HF is scum because of meta. Both are wrong. Then there was a post about how he is town and then a post about HF being not serious enough. Total sum is that he wasn't active at all and you couldn't have a townread on him for the reasons you state here. Was he in HF his face? He made 2 comments about HF. The only thing he currently did that didn't involve HF is overreact on something mderg said. So yeah. No townread for Oats. | ||
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Poofter fill in 8 names: towniest town that towned: Leaning town: Leaning scum: Scummiest scummer that scummed: | ||
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Just make it happen. In bed. Sleeping. | ||
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On May 06 2014 16:12 mderg wrote: I don´t like koshi´s play. This sounds like wanting to policy lynch Oats when there are actual leads that go somewhere, there are reads in the thread, so I don´t like the post. I don't want to policy Oats at all. I am saying that Vivax his lazy townread for Oats is totally unwarrented. Oats is capable to have multiple pages on D1. That's the only point I wanted to make there. True story. I am going to sit pretty till I have the information I need to make a correct lynch. Why can't I just sit pretty? | ||
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How are we doing this fine day? | ||
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I am at work. I could doto after that. Maybe not today but in future. Are you a good doto man? | ||
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On May 06 2014 16:37 Steveling wrote: Kinda, lots of thousand of hours in these 8 years, lol. Same. 1900h on the new doto. Probably more on Dota-league.com. I am not proud. | ||
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He is saying you can't make association reads before flips. It's scummy. | ||
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I have plenty already. | ||
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On May 06 2014 17:31 Steveling wrote: What? No. Why would you say this? Why are you putting words in my mouth? Why are you not explaining what you said it then? | ||
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Don't worry about it. Life is awesome. | ||
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Do you see similarities between HF in Normal ass normal game and this game? Because I don't. I simply felt it in Normall ass that he was off, but every time he posted he was able to convince me he wasn't scum. Now he is just pushing reads 24/7 and playing thread police. | ||
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On May 06 2014 18:03 Steveling wrote: Tbh I forgot about you. Last game if you remember I said I didn't want to play with you again. Me? Why? Was it cell? | ||
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Is it going to affect this game? | ||
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On May 06 2014 18:09 thrawn2112 wrote: hey i'm back. what's going on? Read on Oats pls. | ||
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Could you answer my question? | ||
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On May 06 2014 20:50 Tehpoofter wrote: Been afk like most of the weekend from the forums. I was going to try to read before bed but falling asleep here. I'll find the mafia tomorrow at work. ##Unbote ^^because it was pure troll and for reactions I honestly don't know what came of it yet cause I haven't read but I don't want a random swing before I can get back to the thread Pretty sure it was only pure troll. | ||
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Vivax refuses to acknowledge HF is not playing to scum meta. | ||
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oh wait. You did the latter. | ||
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In my mind he is way more passive as scum. Also I don't understand why you use your own scum meta (emotional?) to determine HF his scum meta when you just played with scum HF a week ago. | ||
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On May 07 2014 02:56 Holyflare wrote: Koshi why you being useless all game? You have a lot of posts but are still in the same category as thrawn and poofter What category is that? | ||
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On May 07 2014 03:56 thrawn2112 wrote: ok. i will start playing in roughly 3 hours. (have errands to run and then I will need to read the thread) sadly I need sleep right now. | ||
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How much % town is Oats in your eyes? | ||
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On May 07 2014 16:02 thrawn2112 wrote: so what's the plan? i'm here and i'm town. we gonna wait for tehpoofter or should we p lynch him or should we lynch a scummy person? My plan was to find 5 townies. I am going to clarify and verify reads today but this is how it feels: Town: HF thrawn Oats Cav Steve Scummer: Vivax Friend of scummer: Poofter mderg | ||
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On May 06 2014 20:50 Tehpoofter wrote: Been afk like most of the weekend from the forums. I was going to try to read before bed but falling asleep here. I'll find the mafia tomorrow at work. ##Unbote ^^because it was pure troll and for reactions I honestly don't know what came of it yet cause I haven't read but I don't want a random swing before I can get back to the thread He posted 2 giant posts in another game, was up to date there and continued to play that game for 30 mins. Why lie about it? | ||
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Every hour I want to lynch him more. | ||
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On May 07 2014 19:46 thrawn2112 wrote: i kinda hope it's not vivax and tehpoofter. that would be really boring. I like boring. | ||
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On May 07 2014 20:27 Tehpoofter wrote: Vivax reads scummy to me in the games I've played with him. I even cased him pretty hard in dr who when we were both town so I'm trying to keep an open mind but when Steve said that it jumped out at me as "he knows more than me" You just said. "Vivax reads scummy to me, his attack was forced" What is it in this game that is scummy and why? Nothing is scummy this game? Are you saying that Vivax always looks scummy and we should be afraid he will flip town? | ||
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1) Why didn't you give input when I was pressuring steve on his bullshit cav read? 2) Why did you call Oats town after he made 4 posts for meta reasons? Oats had 2 posts, you ask Oats to make more posts, Oats make 2 more posts and you call Oats town for meta reasoning. Not his reads. 3) Why do you call HF scum for meta reasons on how you play scum, but ignore the fact you just played with scum HF and it isn't this. Everytime I bring it up you don't even comment on it. You pretend you don't read it. | ||
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On May 07 2014 21:27 Vivax wrote: 1)If you mean the lurk-unlurk thing: I did give input. I said that read is for the entirely wrong reasons, it was bs (I hope I said it and it didn't get buried in an unfinished post but that's how i remember it). I'm actually inclined to believe it wasn't even serious, maybe Steve can confirm(?). And no, it doesn't make me think Steve is scummy, does it make you think that? 2) It was a quick gut read based on reasons stated and mostly from revisiting Dr Who mafia where I was scum with Oats. Didn't know about his other games cause I wasn't in the ones HF quoted I think. Overall I assume Oats would do stupid things more often as town than as scum where he shows some level of care in his play. 3) I'm suspicious of HF cause he pushes everything he finds, even if it's just stuff he disagrees with then that's immediately scummy (for example my Cava points). Last game I told him in qt that I found him as possible scummer for the fact he was pushing everything aggressively, he was tryhard at pushing whatever he could find and not as tryhard at clearing townies. And in qt he said he plays like that as town too but I believed that was just his ego-protection-mechanism. Mind you, in early stages of the game he acted to that pattern cause then found the opportunity to townread people cause I asked him about it. Here he posted a list of all his reads I think. I'm not scumreading him at this point but definitely not townreading him. 1) I find it interesting you don't delurk when somebody is spewing bullshit. You agree with me that his reasoning for his read on Cav is bad. But you let him be anyway? Why? Why don't you have to gather a read on Steve here? 2) What stupid things? Oats only said he lied after you called him town? You called him town for meta. After I debunked that you said how he aggressivily trew his reads around. Oats had a scumread on HF, softpushed me and said thrawn is town. Where is the aggression? 3) Do you have scumreads? Why don't you vote? | ||
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I feel sick. | ||
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End of an Era. | ||
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On May 07 2014 20:15 Tehpoofter wrote: Forgot ##bote Steveling Only saving grace for him is that he was scum with me in cell and I did totally just fuck off in that game and him and Palmer carried me. I do however think he might have TMI because his defense of vivax and change of heart afterwards seemed scummy. If U guys have questions I'll be awake in 8hiurs and more active tomorrow as hopefully less work and no deadline of the other game. (Typing on my iPad from bed so all typos are definitely intentional) HF do you like this vote? | ||
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Vivax is town but don't mind me I always read him as scummy. Steve is scum but might be town because he helped me win last game. | ||
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On May 08 2014 06:32 Tehpoofter wrote: This isn't what I was saying in the slightest. Steve wasn't allowing a Vivax lynch he went from Vivax is town get off this guys nuts I exaggerated but that is what you said. You townread Vivax from an association read of Steve. But you add that Vivax reads scummy to you. When I asked you what exactly of Vivax you found scummy this game you say that it wasn't about this game but generally. You even evade my question and say because you always read Vivax as scum, Steve saying Vivax is town is really scummy. After that you fuck off and go to bed. Then in your vote on Steve you say that his only saving grace is that he helped you win the previous game. Was that a joke or what did you mean? All quotes: ↓ On May 07 2014 20:10 Tehpoofter wrote: Apologies for my absence. HF looked like he did in the last titanic game where he tunneled straight on DP all of day 1 and won a night bullet as town. The thing he did for like ten pages on Oats felt like that to me. He seems to really want to push his read. I'm surprised he hasn't gotten more traction or rather didn't. He is my town. Steveling is my scum. He went from Vivax us town back off him guys super town omg, to he needs to not do these things of he is scummy. To now boting him and encouraging his lynch. I need to retread when I'm less tired. But I don't see the townie ess there. In fact what I see is scum Steve going from "hey I. Going to protect this town to maybe pocket him then that doesn't really work so might as well begrudgingly bote and pawn it off on someone else. I think if Steve is mafia vivax is town which is hard for me to say because vivax always reads as scummy to me. The attack he did early seemed a bit forced. Oats is a question mark to me I'd like to hear what H F thinks of him now p. that defense of something is too scummy to be scum is bullshit so I don't buy that for a hot minute. As scum you can justify your scumminess in a bunch of ways this is one of the easiest. Cav I feel is the only other person I'm getting town vibes from.... Maybe koshi. On May 07 2014 20:35 Tehpoofter wrote: Vivax the way he posts always seemed scummy to me. Like everyone should start off in your neutral pile but for me he starts slightly scum because of his like tone or feel. So I find what Steve said about him really scummy. Like he differs so strongly then pushes the Lynch hard. Like Steve thinks he can get a quick ML on vivax but put that bit about super town vivax in so he can look good post flip. The bolded is pure bullshit. Look at how "good" Steve is looking with his vote. Voting somebody while yelling he is town will never make you look good. On May 07 2014 20:15 Tehpoofter wrote: Forgot ##bote Steveling Only saving grace for him is that he was scum with me in cell and I did totally just fuck off in that game and him and Palmer carried me. I do however think he might have TMI because his defense of vivax and change of heart afterwards seemed scummy. If U guys have questions I'll be awake in 8hiurs and more active tomorrow as hopefully less work and no deadline of the other game. (Typing on my iPad from bed so all typos are definitely intentional) | ||
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That's Poofter his townread on Vivax. | ||
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On May 08 2014 09:44 Holyflare wrote: This still remains unexplained and was really counter intuitive after koshi was saying i looked nothing like scum from last game Yes, you do look nothing like your scum game. But the instant push on Steve is so opportunistic. The guy looks bad after flip and you jump on him because he does a suicidal play? But you make an entire case out of it even though EVERYBODY can see what Steve did. It's not like Steve was pretending to have changed his read. He voted Vivax while he had Vivax as town. Yes, we saw that. What's new? Nothing. Both you and poofter don't add anything new. You just say: "Steve voted Vivax while he had him as town, Steve is scum". Which is in normally correct, but only if Steve tries to hide the fact he has Vivax as town. Now it was obvious. | ||
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On May 08 2014 13:10 Cavalinho wrote: Koshi are you ever going to explain your reads list? You said you would and you never did. You're playing way different than you did in Normal and it bugs me. The list I made was like a puzzle. I started this game thinking I needed 5 townreads and this game would be easy but it is impossible to get 5 townreads in this game. I really thought Vivax was scum because he refused to play the game like I know he can. If you want I can explain my townreads at that time. But a lot is based on feels and Vivax being scum... Even though that isn't allowed... I still think mderg/poofter are the lynches for tomorrow and should be copchecked. If we have on because it sounds pretty strong. mderg and poofter had me as town I think and now that I make a comment on poofter & HF during night suddenly they both flip their reads on me? kk HF should be town. I also felt he did the work I did in normall ass mafia but I don't like him anymore. Vivax had him and you as scum... I even forgot about you... Damn this game. | ||
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On May 08 2014 20:16 Holyflare wrote: Then you aren't reading a single thing i wrote or the thread at all. Thrawn was the first to mention this stuff before, i pointed out that steveling has completely lied about what he was doing re:reading vivax. Says he read vivaxs filter - ignores all cases against vivax saying he read his filter and was super town - SAYS HE HADN'T READ VIVAX - says he hadn't read vivax and now that he has he agrees with things people have been saying How can nobody else see that at all? Even now he's just saying random crap when people try and ask him questions. The guy is NOT town Yes, that and the point he refuses to cooperate are decent. But how come you can't seem to grasp the bigger picture this game? You jump from target to target to target and always it is 100% sure. What about what I wrote about Poofter? Why not comment on that? Poofter his actions around Vivax/Steve are way more scummy. Look at it. Poofter lied about not playing mafia over the weekend as he played and was caught up in other game. Poofter is not playing the game. That's what you have on Steve only scummier. | ||
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On May 08 2014 20:28 Holyflare wrote: . Explain how these 2 go together. How can you think he was scum for not playing the game but then suddenly start to trust his reads because he was town after all. It still doesn't change the fact that he wasn't playing the game Vivax is Vivax. His reads are always gold. Him flipping town makes me re-evaluate my read on you, add that this push on Steve is shit. Who is your second scummer btw? | ||
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On May 08 2014 20:18 Steveling wrote: Koshi you sexy beast. Come for doto. I have a free day today so I could. | ||
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scum within poofter/mderg/HF Unless Steve is mafia. THINK AND BE SURE. DO NOT LYNCH FAST. fuck no time. | ||
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thrawn. Why Steve over Poofter? | ||
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On May 09 2014 00:36 Holyflare wrote: ANY RESPONSE TO ANYTHING would be cool, don't even know why you're pointing this out when you literally just told us not to vote immediately. Glad to see my wise words have an impact on you. So do you still have Steve as 100% scum or did thrawn dieing changed this? | ||
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On May 09 2014 00:49 Steveling wrote: Don't give time to scum guys. Vote me or vote HF, I'm town, he's scum. But do it asap. No. We wait at least 48 hours. That's a normal day. Why is poofter town Steve? | ||
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Are you going to dispute me getting RB????? | ||
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On May 09 2014 01:13 Holyflare wrote: Koshi, you think poofter is scum because he used information that vivax was town to portray steve as scum right? Why wouldn't he just follow consensus at that point and vote vivax if he was mafia? He had to do something. He didn't do anything this game till then. | ||
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On May 09 2014 04:10 Holyflare wrote: Yeh but then why go against vivax consensus when he could have bandwagoned the vivax lynch everyone was agreeing with? The same counts for Steve. Why take the risk as scum and vote Vivax? So let's look at what Poofter did outside the Vivax lynch: - - - Oh yeah. That's it. | ||
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On May 09 2014 18:02 Steveling wrote: Don't you guys find it weird how they appear to shift their attention from me? Multiple people said I was 100% lynch for this day, so where are their votes? Who is they? Holyflare is on you. Oats isn't. Want to lynch Poofter with me? | ||
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Poofter. Why are his post supertown? I don't see anything insightful. Poofter has not a single hard read except Holyflare who he reads town for no reason at all. Everthing he says is wishy washy. | ||
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Why is your vote not on Steve? Everything you say about other people is in correlation with Steve being mafia. Except when you talk about Steve then he is 50% town 50% scum. | ||
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On May 09 2014 15:35 Tehpoofter wrote: Also why do you believe that Koshi was RBed? What about it sprung as true to you? On May 09 2014 15:37 Tehpoofter wrote: How many scum do you think voted? What are you looking for with these questions? Why would I fakeclaim RB? | ||
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On May 09 2014 12:41 Tehpoofter wrote: So assuming you're town HF and Steve is red. Who i smost likely to be scum here? (I realize vote count analysis is kinda lame after 1 day but still) I feel like in this type of lynching it might be something more interesting. Not 100% sure where I want to go with this tbh or if its informative but I feel like its hyper unlikely that there wasn't at least one scum in that vote. That would require HF and mderg are both red. Which would be the opposite of what I think now. So I feel like our scum is between those on the lynch block. If we're right about Steve being scum then I think Koshi is like super obvious to be with him not sure if its too obvious though . He might just be really wrong town he is my biggest question mark. Cav could be that lurker scum that sees his partner going down in flames and just tries to go the busing route. Oats Would be the scum mastermind type his attempt to go from scumsteve to me was really odd and then after that tried to say I scumslipped basically a really weak push on me maybe hoping it gained some traction. I realize associative reads are thin for some reason especially in forum mafia but What does everyone else think? How many mafia were on the Vivax lynch? In my world I'm thinking 2. Give me the tldr from this post you made. What did you try to accomplish here? | ||
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2) Ok. So a town got misslynched, you want to see where scum would put there vote and you start with assuming that everybody that is not on Vivax is town. Why is mderg town in that post? | ||
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On May 09 2014 18:59 Tehpoofter wrote: TLDR: A town got misslynched, who is responsible? Where would I want my name on this list if I was mafia? Also possible scum teams with Steve. (I don't think the post is that long so not sure why you need a TLDR. Do you just hate everything I do this game I mean jesus dude this is like the 20th post that you have openly criticized explain why what I'm doing is mafia driven whats my agenda here? I even admit in the post that I'm not sure where this is going i just want to get my thoughts out there.) feigning activity. Show me a post where you have explained somebody his mafia mindset. | ||
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On May 09 2014 19:42 Tehpoofter wrote: How is that feigning activity? Look through my filter I'd say 1/4th of my filter is being accused by you for every post I make and you not responding to my posts but just pointing out why each one is scummy instead of casing me for having scummy posts. You just are constantly prodding me its really weird. I have the posts where I gave a mafia mindset on Cav being with Steve. The basis of my Steve read is why its a mafia mindset. You probably said something in both posts were scummy so I'm sure you read them feel free to look them up yourself if you're too lazy I'll look them up after I sleep Meh. It's how I scumhunt. I am also the only one prodding you. | ||
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On May 09 2014 19:59 Tehpoofter wrote: Sleep time for me. Before I go to bed Koshi do you actually think I'm mafia in this game? You clearly have been tunneling me so I want you to case me. Do a big ass post showing exactly where I have played the game with a mafia agenda and not tried to figure out the game. Feel free to reference my Cell Mafia game where I was scum and tell me how the two line up. This bullshit where you just say every post seems scummy is lame and if you're town you need to focus your suspicions elsewhere so make your case I'll shit all over it tomorrow with my towniness and you can move on to actual scum That fair? Also who am I with if I'm mafia. I'm not sure you've floated the idea of who my teammate is yet. Also I'm done with Steve if he isn't going to actually formulate reads and expand upon his thoughts He is getting my vote when I wake up. If he is town he is playing against his win condition acting like he is. I can't make a big case. Frustrating. Your answers are just so null to me. | ||
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On May 08 2014 20:37 Koshi wrote: Some1 disagrees with the copchecks? totes cop claim | ||
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On May 10 2014 02:49 Holyflare wrote: Literally just "gambled" my life and now you selectively choose when it's cheating or not? Rofl. Koshi is voting with the guy he just voted FOR. Koshi hasn't made a real case because "it's frustrating and he can't". If steveling doesn't get lynched here i don't even know wtf game of mafia you guys are playing. such play very sneaky many mafia wow | ||
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Steve doesn't. I rest my case. | ||
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On May 10 2014 04:25 Cavalinho wrote: Is it just me or was Poofter rolefishing earlier? If you are talking about where he asks why somebody believed I was RB. I saw it. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 09 2014 13:21 Cavalinho wrote: Hi. Apologies for the afk, got some real life shit going on at the moment. Going to be as active as I can, but don't expect miracles. Let's get to work. I'm not really sure we should vote off Steveling today. Martyrs are usually town more often than not, so I feel like lynching him after he selfvotes like this wouldn't be a great idea. If he's scum, I seriously doubt he would just roll over and die if people started scumreading him. Maybe it's just me. His play hasn't been stellar, so I'm definitely not crossing him off the list, but I think we should look at other people today. If we believe Koshi's rb claim, I think Poofter might be a good lynch. Koshi raised some good points about what Poofter has done this game, and when compared to what he was doing outside of it...It isn't good. I also think Oats might be a good lynch. Steveling and I have both pointed out his opportunism throughout this game thus far, but the rest of his filter at the time seemed pretty town to me. I'm going to pick through what he said thus far and see if he's another viable lynch candidate today. TLDR: I think we should lynch between Steveling/Poofter/Oats. I still think HF is town, and at face value Koshi is town as well. Mderg is slightly townie. Will do more research and post findings ASAP to see where the town stands. On May 09 2014 14:14 Cavalinho wrote: @Holyflare why is it that you believe Koshi's claim but you think he's null anyway? @Poofter what makes you so sure that there were two scum on Vivax? Is it associative reads and such or merely PoE? I noticed that you don't have mderg as town but you exclude him from your list of scumreads. Why isn't he scum? @Koshi what are your current reads and why don't you want to lynch Steveling? Also, I just looked through Oats' filter and I want to know his current reads. He says Poof is scum but doesn't back it up with anything. His second page was towny but I want a little more substance than what he has done at the moment. And he's still being opportunistic wtf. Trying to solve the game with good analysis. Trying to solve the game with good questions. | ||
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Do not listen to anything he says. Just ignore his posts. Don't read them. Lynch Poofter tomorrow. If Poofter looks town (protip: he wont) lynch Holyflare. Outside those 2 make sure Oats contributes. If he says anything thats sounds almost intelligent he is probably town and to be ignored. If he is inactive and boring lynch him. So just look at who is actually sounding intelligent. Poofter needs to be super intelligent, if he is look at Oats, if he is. Lynch Holyflare. mderg is town or can win. I don't care about him. | ||
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My lynch is still poofter. I will make a case when I am home in 6 hours. Oats wanted to lynch poof. Steve wanted to lynch poof. Thrawn said Steve wagon was scummy. Poof started.that wagon d1. Not a single dead townie wanted to lynch me. While after the night kill it looks like I am in the lead to get lynched. | ||
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On May 09 2014 08:54 Tehpoofter wrote: Gotta setup tomorrow's mislynch. Oats planning ahead here. Could you give your opinion on this? You have to know that Poofter at this moment got Steveling as 85% scum. Why does Poofter say that Oats is setting up tomorrows misslynch? 1) Doesn't this imply poofter knows today is a misslynch? As in 'tomorrow scum needs 1 more misslynch and Oats is making that happen". 2) Why would Poofter think he is going to get "misslynched" tomorrow when he is the one that pushed Steve? Does he know Steve is town and therefore after this lynch he will become a target? Looks like it. | ||
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On May 07 2014 20:10 Tehpoofter wrote: Apologies for my absence. HF looked like he did in the last titanic game where he tunneled straight on DP all of day 1 and won a night bullet as town. The thing he did for like ten pages on Oats felt like that to me. He seems to really want to push his read. I'm surprised he hasn't gotten more traction or rather didn't. He is my town. Steveling is my scum. He went from Vivax us town back off him guys super town omg, to he needs to not do these things of he is scummy. To now boting him and encouraging his lynch. I need to retread when I'm less tired. But I don't see the townie ess there. In fact what I see is scum Steve going from "hey I. Going to protect this town to maybe pocket him then that doesn't really work so might as well begrudgingly bote and pawn it off on someone else. I think if Steve is mafia vivax is town which is hard for me to say because vivax always reads as scummy to me. The attack he did early seemed a bit forced. Oats is a question mark to me I'd like to hear what H F thinks of him now p. that defense of something is too scummy to be scum is bullshit so I don't buy that for a hot minute. As scum you can justify your scumminess in a bunch of ways this is one of the easiest. Cav I feel is the only other person I'm getting town vibes from.... Maybe koshi. The bolded is the only reasoning IN THE ENTIRE GAME for a scumread of Poofter. Poofter has got 0 scumreads this entire game except for Steveling. Look in his filter. Give me 1 more piece of reasoning to why somebody is scum that poofter has done. | ||
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On May 09 2014 12:41 Tehpoofter wrote: So assuming you're town HF and Steve is red. Who i smost likely to be scum here? (I realize vote count analysis is kinda lame after 1 day but still) I feel like in this type of lynching it might be something more interesting. Not 100% sure where I want to go with this tbh or if its informative but I feel like its hyper unlikely that there wasn't at least one scum in that vote. That would require HF and mderg are both red. Which would be the opposite of what I think now. So I feel like our scum is between those on the lynch block. If we're right about Steve being scum then I think Koshi is like super obvious to be with him not sure if its too obvious though . He might just be really wrong town he is my biggest question mark. Cav could be that lurker scum that sees his partner going down in flames and just tries to go the busing route. Oats Would be the scum mastermind type his attempt to go from scumsteve to me was really odd and then after that tried to say I scumslipped basically a really weak push on me maybe hoping it gained some traction. I realize associative reads are thin for some reason especially in forum mafia but What does everyone else think? How many mafia were on the Vivax lynch? In my world I'm thinking 2. This is the post Poofter has put in the most effort in. what does this post say? I assume HF is town. (most likely scumbuddy) I assume all the votes are on Vivax so mderg is town. I assume Steve is red. Then pre-flip association reads for all the other people. Nothing here is based on anything. All assumptions. This post is basically worth nothing. Poofter also never ever did anything with what he wrote down here. He just wrote it down once and that was that. | ||
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WAIT Who is poofter his first scummer now that Steveling is dead? Nobody knows. He is letting it shine through that it is me. Give me 1 post Poofter has quoted from me and said it came from scum for x reason? Nothing. The only thing Poofter is calling me scum for is "Guys I am town, Koshi is scum for being so wrong" That's the only thing. | ||
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I am not going to vote in the vote thread till he comes back. Not that I expect the scumteam to be 2 out cav / mderg / hf but w.e | ||
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But his HF townread is typical scum, as scum he can't give good reasoning from this game why (his probably scumbuddy) HF is town so he says: On May 07 2014 20:10 Tehpoofter wrote: HF looked like he did in the last titanic game where he tunneled straight on DP all of day 1 and won a night bullet as town. The thing he did for like ten pages on Oats felt like that to me. He seems to really want to push his read. I'm surprised he hasn't gotten more traction or rather didn't. He is my town. THAT'S IT. Nowhere he will ever question it. Even after Steve flips town poofter is still pushing Oats and me............ HF is like not in this game for Poofter. "Because it looked like that last titanic game" | ||
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You don't need to convince me I am scum. I don't need to convince you. Tell the thread why I am scum. protip: Quote something from my filter. | ||
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On May 12 2014 07:33 Tehpoofter wrote: I need to hear from Cav/Hf. They haven't talked today. I am not sure what makes the most sense. I feel they need to talk before I discuss that. While I'm waiting can you answer anything I have? like do you feel I have not been invested in this game? Do you feel I have been pushing an agenda? How did the night kills help my agenda? You say my likely partner is HF is there another? 1) Sure. 2) Why does this matter? I think you weren't invested D1. Only showed interest to lynch Steve D2. And now only try to show activity so people doubt to lynch you and lynch me. 3) thrawn didn't believe steve was scum. thrawn said that steve wagon was scummy. Oats wanted to kill you. I would say the NK helped you very much. How did the NK help me? Really? 4) Why does this matter? Really? Want me to name a townie so he gets mad at me? Really? I only need 2 scummers. | ||
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Sounds legit. RB vs doc makes sense. Maybe 1named vt but not 2. So the only correct play is to lynch mderg. Also the doc crumb looks fine... but I want to lynch HF... Did any of the named VTs crumb? | ||
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This implies there is a blue. Oats dieing over me indicates HF is town. Oats wanted poofter dead and then one out of mderg/Koshi/cav. He had HF as town. HF town means that Poofter/mderg are the scummers. Look at the night kills please. They do NOT NOT NOT help me in ANY way. | ||
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Remember this post: On May 09 2014 12:41 Tehpoofter wrote: So assuming you're town HF and Steve is red. Who i smost likely to be scum here? (I realize vote count analysis is kinda lame after 1 day but still) I feel like in this type of lynching it might be something more interesting. Not 100% sure where I want to go with this tbh or if its informative but I feel like its hyper unlikely that there wasn't at least one scum in that vote. That would require HF and mderg are both red. Which would be the opposite of what I think now. So I feel like our scum is between those on the lynch block. If we're right about Steve being scum then I think Koshi is like super obvious to be with him not sure if its too obvious though . He might just be really wrong town he is my biggest question mark. Cav could be that lurker scum that sees his partner going down in flames and just tries to go the busing route. Oats Would be the scum mastermind type his attempt to go from scumsteve to me was really odd and then after that tried to say I scumslipped basically a really weak push on me maybe hoping it gained some traction. I realize associative reads are thin for some reason especially in forum mafia but What does everyone else think? How many mafia were on the Vivax lynch? In my world I'm thinking 2. I always said the HF green read didn't make sense. But the mderg green read didn't make any sense as well. "I don't think both scummers didn't vote so mderg and HF are town" I asked Poofter about his mderg townread and he blamed me not reading his posts and said it was because mderg and him thought the same thing around the Steve thing. (I think it was that) But it was something silly anyway. The townread on either HF and mderg was just unholy. I might have been tunneled on HF but I see the light now. It's mderg/poofter guys. | ||
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On May 11 2014 05:25 mderg wrote: I certainly didn´t think steve would flip town... I think it´s between poofter/oats/hf. Right now I´m not sure what to think. Poofter looks slightly more scummy to me than the others. I don´t know why he waited to vote steve until he could hammer him. This is really difficult to decide, though, I have to wait to see who gets killed. Maybe that can clear some things up. On May 12 2014 03:03 mderg wrote: I´m Grizzled Veteran. The oats kill is kinda strange. I don´t think there was any indication of him having a power role and he was one of the top lynch targets. Makes me feel like it´s poofter trying to divert attention by killing his biggest scumread. Why would scum kill their next and probably easiest lynch target? Because they seem slightly less scummy doing so. This is based on assumptions but definitely makes sense for me. On May 12 2014 04:47 mderg wrote: 1) This would be easier to judge, if I heard him say it, rather than seeing the text. 2) This seems solid. There would be no need to worry about getting lynched, if steve were to flip scum. Yeah, it didn´t seem like he had any clear scumreads besides steve and (after that oats). It´s odd but it could also just be that he didn´t have another clear sumread. I agree his reasoning for calling you scum is unconvincing. Overall there´s solid reasons why poofter could be scum. There´s nothing that makes him scum by itself but the small pieces together paint a scummy picture. On May 12 2014 17:31 mderg wrote: you´re 100% wrong. At least one of you and koshi is scum, possibly both of you. Look at this. Mderg has poofter as scum 24/7. He is buddying me, saying my cases are correct, having the EXACT SAME READS AS ME. EXACT SAME READS AS ME. For the entire game. Mderg had me as town 24/7. With EXACT the same reads as me, he believed last scum was between HF/Oats/Poofter. Then there is heat on him and it looks like he is going to get lynched with HF claiming blue and voting him. What happens? Now that HF goes after him I am suddenly the other scummer? Why not POOFTER? WHY??? cuz he is scum and slipped. He knows Poofter will back him up and is now incriminating town HF/Koshi. | ||
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TOTES SORRY. I just had a shitty game. But I had Steve correct and Poofter correct. You should have backed me yesterday. tbh you had a shitty game. My game was pretty good. | ||
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Please look at the night kills. Do they help me? Do they help HF? Look at who voted who on D2. Oats/Koshi/Steve on Poofter. Thrawn knew Steve was town. Look at his filter. He clearly states it. He would always be on the Poofter wagon. I had the RB & thrawn the NK. Probably because I was the one who pushed Vivax... Oats wanted to lynch Poofter. Oats died, you got the RB. Look at the night kills & RB. In case of Parity cop they covered: Oats/Trawn/Koshi/Cav. Why would scum Koshi take a RB when there is a possible cop/Parity cop/Doc? pls use brain. | ||
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Read the ENTIRE FILTER OF MDERG. Everywhere he is agreeing with my reads. Always townie vibes from Koshi. There is 1 post in which he flips that. That's were I started pushing Poofter I think, then he wrote this: On May 08 2014 06:17 mderg wrote: I don´t think poofter is scum. What he´s said so far makes sense to me. His steve scumread is definitely reasonable considering how steve put his vote on vivax. I honestly can´t imagine why a townie would make these posts: Hard defending Vivax earlier is not really scummy, though the lack of reasoning for his vivax townread was strange. These posts however strike me as being incredibly indifferent about a townie being lynched. "Hammering" someone just to prove you were right just feels so wrong to me. The post after that also seems strange to me, if you´d be happy with an oats lynch, why not vote for oats? I don´t get the reasoning behind this. Am I right to assume that you went against your reads just to proof that we were wrong? The only thing speaking against steve being scum for me is that this is almost too obvious to be true. I´m also getting scummy vibes from koshi but I´m not sure why. Gonna go through his filter tomorrow to check that. Before this post and after this post KOSHI WILL ALWAYS be TOWN for mderg. (except that one time I already pointed out) So in the post he got Poofter as town (also only time mderg will have poofter as town) he has Koshi as "scummy vibes". Bonus lulz: On May 08 2014 07:19 Tehpoofter wrote: Mderg what do you think of Koshi this game? + Show Spoiler + ↑ Question asked to mderg on the same page mderg said Poofter is town/Koshi scum. They don't even read each others posts | ||
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On May 12 2014 22:44 mderg wrote: Did you really ask why not poofter? Really? The reasoning is as simple as it can get! To spell it out for you: Hf voted me, meaning that scum could hammer me at any time. Poofter and Cav were here at the same time, meaning that they would hammer me, if they were both scum. This leads to at least one of them being town. This also means that at least one of you and Hf have to be scum. That can´t be difficult to understand. It´s just based on logic. Why can't it be HF & Poofter? | ||
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On May 12 2014 22:50 mderg wrote: It can be Hf & poofter. I never said it couldn´t be hf and poofter. It´s just 99.9% safe to assume that 1 of cav and poofter is town and that 1 of hf and you is scum. That doesn´t mean that you are scum together. I BOLDED IT IN RED. You say KOSHI IS SCUM WITH HF. | ||
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How am I not 100% town? Counterclaimed named VT Doc HF You got Poofter as scum entire game. How am I not 100% town? | ||
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On May 12 2014 23:02 mderg wrote: This is all pretty simple: 1 of cav and poofter is town. So either cav who counterclaimed my role is scum or poofter who seemed scummy the whole game is scum. That seems pretty difficult to decide. And 1 of you and hf is scum. I called hf scum because of OMGUS, his claim actually makes sense now that I had the time to think it through. So it´s more likely you than him, despite me reading you as town beforehand. Also I didn´t read you as town for the most part of the game. You were scummy to me at first and I switched my opinion to leaning town on you. | ||
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On May 13 2014 04:24 Cavalinho wrote: I'm honestly not sure where I stand on this game right now. My head is telling me to vote with you because mderg's filter is downright shitty when compared to Holyflare's. Mderg's claim doesn't make much sense either, because a powerless blue doesn't really have much to give back to the town if he isn't in the thread, analyzing. Then on the flip side, I would expect HF to have a really good claim prepared ahead of time. The fact that he's a medic and was the towniest person in the thread for the entire game and was never night killed strikes me as a red flag. Like...his claim doesn't really match with his play at all. Really wish that scum didn't call me on my night reads, I was really hoping Oats was still gonna be here. =/ Just look at the interactions between Poofter and Mderg. Look at how Poofter townreads Mderg. Look at how mderg has Poofter as scum entire game, except for when I pushed him and he swapped his reads for a brief second. Look at how mderg now got me as scum WITH POOFTER(?) suddenly. Even though there are 2 named VT and a medic... Mderg knows your vote = he dies. So he puts me as scum with Poofter. So that town HF and town Cav don't vote him. This is so obvious. | ||
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On May 13 2014 07:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Lololol I could name specific games that suggest otherwise. lies. He is totes ded now. | ||
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But everything before D3 was totes cash. I think this set-up is really hard for scum though. It snowballs if there is a scumlynch in first 2 days and cop can check. Just over and out with a cop/a named vt/check against a scum rb. | ||
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On May 13 2014 07:47 mderg wrote: Really kicking myself I think I should have realized at that exact point. There shouldn´t be any reason for koshi to read my posts as me calling hf/koshi scum, unless he knows that it is the truth. Yeah I said some shitty stuff D3. I typed and pressed send and I was like: "shouldn't I just move away from the computer?". | ||
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