Glory Seeker Mini Mafia

On May 03 2014 06:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
/cohost

On May 04 2014 00:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Oh, didn't know cannons got canceled.
Meh, don't really feel like playing a real game.

On May 05 2014 06:43 Holyflare wrote:

aren't you always "mafia"? :p

On May 05 2014 06:50 Holyflare wrote:


neverrrrrrrrr!

lets lynch cava

On May 05 2014 07:34 Cavalinho wrote:


Cock ring and a smile.

On May 05 2014 07:42 Vivax wrote:


Sure, unless you're mafia then I have to tunnel you and that doesn't seem friendly.

On May 05 2014 07:52 Vivax wrote:
Yea I'm going to bed.
Time to wait for Oats and the other two dudes to post.

On May 05 2014 17:07 Steveling wrote:
Well cav got a bit edgy fast.

On May 05 2014 17:36 Steveling wrote:
No, about his defencive stance about the whole thing.

On May 05 2014 11:51 Steveling wrote:


Because he twisted things and meanings, that's what scum do.

He said he was gonna lurk from now on, then he said that he's not lurking right now.

On May 05 2014 11:54 Steveling wrote:
No but why are you sweating so much couple hours in the game while we joke around.
You scum.

On May 05 2014 18:36 Steveling wrote:


You are not making much sense.
You are saying his vote on me was a joke?

On May 05 2014 18:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey guys whats up. i have nothing to contribute atm. but i am down to chat

On May 05 2014 18:53 Steveling wrote:


What? Are you scum?

On May 05 2014 19:01 thrawn2112 wrote:


he is my most nully read

mostely becaue he said he like playing scum. so there are different standards

nad i have been drinking vodka which, for me, is basically a truth serum, so ask of me what you will

On May 05 2014 19:06 Steveling wrote:
Well, between me asking people if they are scum and koshi asking people if they are town I think this game is dead.
Where's everyone?

On May 05 2014 19:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah i'm so so town. next question.

On May 05 2014 19:19 Vivax wrote:


I'm waiting for Cav to reply to that cause that post looks slightly scummy to me although I have trouble saying exactly why.
Not much worth of my attention besides that since a lot of it is people not posting anything of value.

On May 05 2014 19:50 thrawn2112 wrote:

oats. but i wouldn't say he''s scummy.

On May 05 2014 20:24 Steveling wrote:


I agree.

On May 05 2014 20:39 Steveling wrote:


Why do you ask?

On May 06 2014 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
However, I do note that the differences between Titanic and here is that Vivax "wants to know more" here, whereas he states in Titanic things are fact. Which brings me to Koshi's response.

I want him to answer this first before I go to any conclusions but it was a super odd response after just berating people for calling cav suspicious:

On May 06 2014 02:38 Cavalinho wrote:


Why does anyone have to like anything about my post in the first place?

It was a post I made when everyone was goofing off, and then all of a sudden I start watching out for L-2 botes and I'm the most suspicious guy in the thread? Wtf? How is that even a logical conclusion to jump to at all?

I do want to hear more from Koshi I guess, but Vivax is super suspicious to me right now. Steveling is doing silly shit too, but is pushing a possible inconsistency. I can see his line of thinking making sense, albeit being incorrect.

Vivax is twisting shit. Why would I bother mentioning you at all in a joke post? Why would I willingly just put you at L-2 for no reason whatsoever, off of yet another joke post? Furthermore, why would I need to justify myself when the case on you is obviously fake? What are you trying to pull?

On May 06 2014 02:56 Holyflare wrote:


So what you're saying here is that scum do things that make them look towny all the time......? So you're saying that what he did makes him try to "appear" towny!? That is so backwards.

I see it like this -> we're pissing around I make some joke thing on you and me and thrawn joke vote you. Then I do the same thing with steveling, if we all went on you then that would be L-1 (big risk for obvious joke) poofter goes on steve to avoid this, cav does the same to avoid being at l-2. You return and point out that he hasn't talked about you and that he voted steve without saying anything!?!?!?

and you rationalise it by saying he went all serious mode for no reason...? That's what I don't understand and subsequently WHY koshi's response is so unfathomably strange and I want to know what he liked about cav's post before you said anything

On May 06 2014 04:45 Holyflare wrote:





Joke vote on steve -> not scummy -> vivax posts reasons that don't make sense if you think that it was a joke vote -> you say you agree with vivax

explain to me how that makes any sense whatsoever?

On May 06 2014 04:55 Holyflare wrote:
how the fuck can it be both a joke vote and serious/evasive....?

On May 06 2014 08:03 Holyflare wrote:


why just poofter?

On May 06 2014 16:12 mderg wrote:
I don´t like koshi´s play.

This sounds like wanting to policy lynch Oats when there are actual leads that go somewhere, there are reads in the thread, so I don´t like the post.

On May 06 2014 16:35 Steveling wrote:


Nice, let's doto.

On May 06 2014 16:37 Steveling wrote:


Kinda, lots of thousand of hours in these 8 years, lol.

On May 06 2014 16:54 Cavalinho wrote:


Alright, humor me.

On May 06 2014 17:31 Steveling wrote:


What? No. Why would you say this?
Why are you putting words in my mouth?

On May 06 2014 17:54 Steveling wrote:


What do you say?

On May 06 2014 18:03 Steveling wrote:
Tbh I forgot about you.
Last game if you remember I said I didn't want to play with you again.

On May 06 2014 18:09 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey i'm back. what's going on?

On May 06 2014 20:50 Tehpoofter wrote:
Been afk like most of the weekend from the forums. I was going to try to read before bed but falling asleep here. I'll find the mafia tomorrow at work.


##Unbote


^^because it was pure troll and for reactions I honestly don't know what came of it yet cause I haven't read but I don't want a random swing before I can get back to the thread

On May 07 2014 02:56 Holyflare wrote:
Koshi why you being useless all game? You have a lot of posts but are still in the same category as thrawn and poofter

On May 07 2014 03:56 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok. i will start playing in roughly 3 hours. (have errands to run and then I will need to read the thread)

On May 07 2014 16:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
so what's the plan? i'm here and i'm town. we gonna wait for tehpoofter or should we p lynch him or should we lynch a scummy person?

On May 06 2014 20:50 Tehpoofter wrote:
Been afk like most of the weekend from the forums. I was going to try to read before bed but falling asleep here. I'll find the mafia tomorrow at work.


##Unbote


^^because it was pure troll and for reactions I honestly don't know what came of it yet cause I haven't read but I don't want a random swing before I can get back to the thread

On May 07 2014 19:46 thrawn2112 wrote:
i kinda hope it's not vivax and tehpoofter. that would be really boring.

On May 07 2014 20:27 Tehpoofter wrote:



Vivax reads scummy to me in the games I've played with him. I even cased him pretty hard in dr who when we were both town so I'm trying to keep an open mind but when Steve said that it jumped out at me as "he knows more than me"

On May 07 2014 21:27 Vivax wrote:


1)If you mean the lurk-unlurk thing: I did give input. I said that read is for the entirely wrong reasons, it was bs (I hope I said it and it didn't get buried in an unfinished post but that's how i remember it). I'm actually inclined to believe it wasn't even serious, maybe Steve can confirm(?). And no, it doesn't make me think Steve is scummy, does it make you think that?

2) It was a quick gut read based on reasons stated and mostly from revisiting Dr Who mafia where I was scum with Oats. Didn't know about his other games cause I wasn't in the ones HF quoted I think. Overall I assume Oats would do stupid things more often as town than as scum where he shows some level of care in his play.

3) I'm suspicious of HF cause he pushes everything he finds, even if it's just stuff he disagrees with then that's immediately scummy (for example my Cava points). Last game I told him in qt that I found him as possible scummer for the fact he was pushing everything aggressively, he was tryhard at pushing whatever he could find and not as tryhard at clearing townies.
And in qt he said he plays like that as town too but I believed that was just his ego-protection-mechanism.

Mind you, in early stages of the game he acted to that pattern cause then found the opportunity to townread people cause I asked him about it. Here he posted a list of all his reads I think. I'm not scumreading him at this point but definitely not townreading him.

On May 07 2014 20:15 Tehpoofter wrote:
Forgot ##bote Steveling


Only saving grace for him is that he was scum with me in cell and I did totally just fuck off in that game and him and Palmer carried me. I do however think he might have TMI because his defense of vivax and change of heart afterwards seemed scummy.

If
U guys have questions I'll be awake in 8hiurs and more active tomorrow as hopefully less work and no deadline of the other game.

(Typing on my iPad from bed so all typos are definitely intentional)

On May 08 2014 06:32 Tehpoofter wrote:


This isn't what I was saying in the slightest. Steve wasn't allowing a Vivax lynch he went from Vivax is town get off this guys nuts

On May 07 2014 20:10 Tehpoofter wrote:
Apologies for my absence.

HF looked like he did in the last titanic game where he tunneled straight on DP all of day 1 and won a night bullet as town. The thing he did for like ten pages on Oats felt like that to me. He seems to really want to push his read. I'm surprised he hasn't gotten more traction or rather didn't. He is my town.

Steveling is my scum. He went from Vivax us town back off him guys super town omg, to he needs to not do these things of he is scummy. To now boting him and encouraging his lynch. I need to retread when I'm less tired. But I don't see the townie ess there. In fact what I see is scum Steve going from "hey I. Going to protect this town to maybe pocket him then that doesn't really work so might as well begrudgingly bote and pawn it off on someone else.

I think if Steve is mafia vivax is town which is hard for me to say because vivax always reads as scummy to me. The attack he did early seemed a bit forced.


Oats is a question mark to me I'd like to hear what H F thinks of him now p. that defense of something is too scummy to be scum is bullshit so I don't buy that for a hot minute. As scum you can justify your scumminess in a bunch of ways this is one of the easiest.

Cav I feel is the only other person I'm getting town vibes from.... Maybe koshi.

On May 07 2014 20:35 Tehpoofter wrote:



Vivax the way he posts always seemed scummy to me. Like everyone should start off in your neutral pile but for me he starts slightly scum because of his like tone or feel. So I find what Steve said about him really scummy. Like he differs so strongly then pushes the Lynch hard. Like Steve thinks he can get a quick ML on vivax but put that bit about super town vivax in so he can look good post flip.

On May 07 2014 20:15 Tehpoofter wrote:
Forgot ##bote Steveling


Only saving grace for him is that he was scum with me in cell and I did totally just fuck off in that game and him and Palmer carried me. I do however think he might have TMI because his defense of vivax and change of heart afterwards seemed scummy.

If
U guys have questions I'll be awake in 8hiurs and more active tomorrow as hopefully less work and no deadline of the other game.

(Typing on my iPad from bed so all typos are definitely intentional)

On May 08 2014 09:44 Holyflare wrote:


This still remains unexplained and was really counter intuitive after koshi was saying i looked nothing like scum from last game

On May 08 2014 13:10 Cavalinho wrote:
Koshi are you ever going to explain your reads list? You said you would and you never did.

You're playing way different than you did in Normal and it bugs me.

On May 08 2014 20:16 Holyflare wrote:


Then you aren't reading a single thing i wrote or the thread at all. Thrawn was the first to mention this stuff before, i pointed out that steveling has completely lied about what he was doing re:reading vivax.

Says he read vivaxs filter - ignores all cases against vivax saying he read his filter and was super town - SAYS HE HADN'T READ VIVAX - says he hadn't read vivax and now that he has he agrees with things people have been saying


How can nobody else see that at all? Even now he's just saying random crap when people try and ask him questions. The guy is NOT town

On May 08 2014 20:28 Holyflare wrote:
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Explain how these 2 go together. How can you think he was scum for not playing the game but then suddenly start to trust his reads because he was town after all. It still doesn't change the fact that he wasn't playing the game

On May 08 2014 20:18 Steveling wrote:
Koshi you sexy beast.
Come for doto.

On May 09 2014 00:36 Holyflare wrote:

ANY RESPONSE TO ANYTHING would be cool, don't even know why you're pointing this out when you literally just told us not to vote immediately.

On May 09 2014 00:49 Steveling wrote:
Don't give time to scum guys.
Vote me or vote HF, I'm town, he's scum.
But do it asap.

On May 09 2014 00:52 Holyflare wrote:


Lol what? Why you?

On May 09 2014 01:13 Holyflare wrote:
Koshi, you think poofter is scum because he used information that vivax was town to portray steve as scum right? Why wouldn't he just follow consensus at that point and vote vivax if he was mafia?

On May 09 2014 04:10 Holyflare wrote:


Yeh but then why go against vivax consensus when he could have bandwagoned the vivax lynch everyone was agreeing with?

On May 09 2014 18:02 Steveling wrote:
Don't you guys find it weird how they appear to shift their attention from me?

Multiple people said I was 100% lynch for this day, so where are their votes?

On May 09 2014 15:35 Tehpoofter wrote:
Also why do you believe that Koshi was RBed? What about it sprung as true to you?

On May 09 2014 15:37 Tehpoofter wrote:
How many scum do you think voted?

On May 09 2014 12:41 Tehpoofter wrote:



So assuming you're town HF and Steve is red. Who i smost likely to be scum here? (I realize vote count analysis is kinda lame after 1 day but still) I feel like in this type of lynching it might be something more interesting. Not 100% sure where I want to go with this tbh or if its informative but I feel like its hyper unlikely that there wasn't at least one scum in that vote. That would require HF and mderg are both red. Which would be the opposite of what I think now. So I feel like our scum is between those on the lynch block.

If we're right about Steve being scum then I think Koshi is like super obvious to be with him not sure if its too obvious though . He might just be really wrong town he is my biggest question mark.

Cav could be that lurker scum that sees his partner going down in flames and just tries to go the busing route.

Oats Would be the scum mastermind type his attempt to go from scumsteve to me was really odd and then after that tried to say I scumslipped basically a really weak push on me maybe hoping it gained some traction.


I realize associative reads are thin for some reason especially in forum mafia but What does everyone else think? How many mafia were on the Vivax lynch? In my world I'm thinking 2.

On May 09 2014 18:59 Tehpoofter wrote:


TLDR: A town got misslynched, who is responsible? Where would I want my name on this list if I was mafia?

Also possible scum teams with Steve.


(I don't think the post is that long so not sure why you need a TLDR. Do you just hate everything I do this game I mean jesus dude this is like the 20th post that you have openly criticized explain why what I'm doing is mafia driven whats my agenda here? I even admit in the post that I'm not sure where this is going i just want to get my thoughts out there.)

On May 09 2014 19:42 Tehpoofter wrote:


How is that feigning activity? Look through my filter I'd say 1/4th of my filter is being accused by you for every post I make and you not responding to my posts but just pointing out why each one is scummy instead of casing me for having scummy posts. You just are constantly prodding me its really weird.

I have the posts where I gave a mafia mindset on Cav being with Steve. The basis of my Steve read is why its a mafia mindset. You probably said something in both posts were scummy so I'm sure you read them feel free to look them up yourself if you're too lazy I'll look them up after I sleep

On May 09 2014 19:59 Tehpoofter wrote:
Sleep time for me.

Before I go to bed Koshi do you actually think I'm mafia in this game? You clearly have been tunneling me so I want you to case me. Do a big ass post showing exactly where I have played the game with a mafia agenda and not tried to figure out the game. Feel free to reference my Cell Mafia game where I was scum and tell me how the two line up. This bullshit where you just say every post seems scummy is lame and if you're town you need to focus your suspicions elsewhere so make your case I'll shit all over it tomorrow with my towniness and you can move on to actual scum That fair? Also who am I with if I'm mafia. I'm not sure you've floated the idea of who my teammate is yet.

Also I'm done with Steve if he isn't going to actually formulate reads and expand upon his thoughts He is getting my vote when I wake up. If he is town he is playing against his win condition acting like he is.

On May 08 2014 20:37 Koshi wrote:
Some1 disagrees with the copchecks?

On May 10 2014 02:49 Holyflare wrote:
Literally just "gambled" my life and now you selectively choose when it's cheating or not? Rofl.

Koshi is voting with the guy he just voted FOR. Koshi hasn't made a real case because "it's frustrating and he can't".

If steveling doesn't get lynched here i don't even know wtf game of mafia you guys are playing.

On May 10 2014 04:25 Cavalinho wrote:
Is it just me or was Poofter rolefishing earlier?

On May 09 2014 08:54 Tehpoofter wrote:


Gotta setup tomorrow's mislynch. Oats planning ahead here.

On May 07 2014 20:10 Tehpoofter wrote:
Apologies for my absence.

HF looked like he did in the last titanic game where he tunneled straight on DP all of day 1 and won a night bullet as town. The thing he did for like ten pages on Oats felt like that to me. He seems to really want to push his read. I'm surprised he hasn't gotten more traction or rather didn't. He is my town.

Steveling is my scum. He went from Vivax us town back off him guys super town omg, to he needs to not do these things of he is scummy. To now boting him and encouraging his lynch. I need to retread when I'm less tired. But I don't see the townie ess there. In fact what I see is scum Steve going from "hey I. Going to protect this town to maybe pocket him then that doesn't really work so might as well begrudgingly bote and pawn it off on someone else.

I think if Steve is mafia vivax is town which is hard for me to say because vivax always reads as scummy to me. The attack he did early seemed a bit forced.


Oats is a question mark to me I'd like to hear what H F thinks of him now p. that defense of something is too scummy to be scum is bullshit so I don't buy that for a hot minute. As scum you can justify your scumminess in a bunch of ways this is one of the easiest.

Cav I feel is the only other person I'm getting town vibes from.... Maybe koshi.

On May 09 2014 12:41 Tehpoofter wrote:



So assuming you're town HF and Steve is red. Who i smost likely to be scum here? (I realize vote count analysis is kinda lame after 1 day but still) I feel like in this type of lynching it might be something more interesting. Not 100% sure where I want to go with this tbh or if its informative but I feel like its hyper unlikely that there wasn't at least one scum in that vote. That would require HF and mderg are both red. Which would be the opposite of what I think now. So I feel like our scum is between those on the lynch block.

If we're right about Steve being scum then I think Koshi is like super obvious to be with him not sure if its too obvious though . He might just be really wrong town he is my biggest question mark.

Cav could be that lurker scum that sees his partner going down in flames and just tries to go the busing route.

Oats Would be the scum mastermind type his attempt to go from scumsteve to me was really odd and then after that tried to say I scumslipped basically a really weak push on me maybe hoping it gained some traction.


I realize associative reads are thin for some reason especially in forum mafia but What does everyone else think? How many mafia were on the Vivax lynch? In my world I'm thinking 2.

On May 07 2014 20:10 Tehpoofter wrote:
HF looked like he did in the last titanic game where he tunneled straight on DP all of day 1 and won a night bullet as town. The thing he did for like ten pages on Oats felt like that to me. He seems to really want to push his read. I'm surprised he hasn't gotten more traction or rather didn't. He is my town.

On May 12 2014 07:33 Tehpoofter wrote:


I need to hear from Cav/Hf. They haven't talked today. I am not sure what makes the most sense. I feel they need to talk before I discuss that.

While I'm waiting can you answer anything I have? like do you feel I have not been invested in this game? Do you feel I have been pushing an agenda? How did the night kills help my agenda? You say my likely partner is HF is there another?

On May 12 2014 08:14 Tehpoofter wrote:


No it doesn't

On May 09 2014 12:41 Tehpoofter wrote:



So assuming you're town HF and Steve is red. Who i smost likely to be scum here? (I realize vote count analysis is kinda lame after 1 day but still) I feel like in this type of lynching it might be something more interesting. Not 100% sure where I want to go with this tbh or if its informative but I feel like its hyper unlikely that there wasn't at least one scum in that vote. That would require HF and mderg are both red. Which would be the opposite of what I think now. So I feel like our scum is between those on the lynch block.

If we're right about Steve being scum then I think Koshi is like super obvious to be with him not sure if its too obvious though . He might just be really wrong town he is my biggest question mark.

Cav could be that lurker scum that sees his partner going down in flames and just tries to go the busing route.

Oats Would be the scum mastermind type his attempt to go from scumsteve to me was really odd and then after that tried to say I scumslipped basically a really weak push on me maybe hoping it gained some traction.


I realize associative reads are thin for some reason especially in forum mafia but What does everyone else think? How many mafia were on the Vivax lynch? In my world I'm thinking 2.

On May 11 2014 05:25 mderg wrote:
I certainly didn´t think steve would flip town...
I think it´s between poofter/oats/hf. Right now I´m not sure what to think. Poofter looks slightly more scummy to me than the others. I don´t know why he waited to vote steve until he could hammer him. This is really difficult to decide, though, I have to wait to see who gets killed. Maybe that can clear some things up.

On May 12 2014 03:03 mderg wrote:
I´m Grizzled Veteran.

The oats kill is kinda strange. I don´t think there was any indication of him having a power role and he was one of the top lynch targets. Makes me feel like it´s poofter trying to divert attention by killing his biggest scumread. Why would scum kill their next and probably easiest lynch target? Because they seem slightly less scummy doing so.
This is based on assumptions but definitely makes sense for me.

On May 12 2014 04:47 mderg wrote:

1) This would be easier to judge, if I heard him say it, rather than seeing the text.
2) This seems solid. There would be no need to worry about getting lynched, if steve were to flip scum.


Yeah, it didn´t seem like he had any clear scumreads besides steve and (after that oats). It´s odd but it could also just be that he didn´t have another clear sumread.

I agree his reasoning for calling you scum is unconvincing.




Overall there´s solid reasons why poofter could be scum. There´s nothing that makes him scum by itself but the small pieces together paint a scummy picture.

On May 12 2014 17:31 mderg wrote:
you´re 100% wrong.
At least one of you and koshi is scum, possibly both of you.

On May 08 2014 06:17 mderg wrote:
I don´t think poofter is scum. What he´s said so far makes sense to me. His steve scumread is definitely reasonable considering how steve put his vote on vivax.

I honestly can´t imagine why a townie would make these posts:




Hard defending Vivax earlier is not really scummy, though the lack of reasoning for his vivax townread was strange. These posts however strike me as being incredibly indifferent about a townie being lynched. "Hammering" someone just to prove you were right just feels so wrong to me. The post after that also seems strange to me, if you´d be happy with an oats lynch, why not vote for oats? I don´t get the reasoning behind this. Am I right to assume that you went against your reads just to proof that we were wrong?

The only thing speaking against steve being scum for me is that this is almost too obvious to be true.


I´m also getting scummy vibes from koshi but I´m not sure why. Gonna go through his filter tomorrow to check that.

On May 08 2014 07:19 Tehpoofter wrote:
Mderg what do you think of Koshi this game?

On May 12 2014 22:44 mderg wrote:

Did you really ask why not poofter? Really?
The reasoning is as simple as it can get! To spell it out for you:
Hf voted me, meaning that scum could hammer me at any time. Poofter and Cav were here at the same time, meaning that they would hammer me, if they were both scum. This leads to at least one of them being town. This also means that at least one of you and Hf have to be scum. That can´t be difficult to understand. It´s just based on logic.

On May 12 2014 22:50 mderg wrote:

It can be Hf & poofter. I never said it couldn´t be hf and poofter. It´s just 99.9% safe to assume that 1 of cav and poofter is town and that 1 of hf and you is scum. That doesn´t mean that you are scum together.

On May 12 2014 22:51 mderg wrote:

I´m at a loss of words

On May 12 2014 22:52 mderg wrote:

Since when does "at least 1" mean "both"?

On May 12 2014 23:02 mderg wrote:

This is all pretty simple: 1 of cav and poofter is town. So either cav who counterclaimed my role is scum or poofter who seemed scummy the whole game is scum. That seems pretty difficult to decide.
And 1 of you and hf is scum. I called hf scum because of OMGUS, his claim actually makes sense now that I had the time to think it through. So it´s more likely you than him, despite me reading you as town beforehand. Also I didn´t read you as town for the most part of the game. You were scummy to me at first and I switched my opinion to leaning town on you.

On May 13 2014 04:24 Cavalinho wrote:


I'm honestly not sure where I stand on this game right now. My head is telling me to vote with you because mderg's filter is downright shitty when compared to Holyflare's. Mderg's claim doesn't make much sense either, because a powerless blue doesn't really have much to give back to the town if he isn't in the thread, analyzing.

Then on the flip side, I would expect HF to have a really good claim prepared ahead of time. The fact that he's a medic and was the towniest person in the thread for the entire game and was never night killed strikes me as a red flag. Like...his claim doesn't really match with his play at all.

Really wish that scum didn't call me on my night reads, I was really hoping Oats was still gonna be here. =/

On May 13 2014 07:41 WaveofShadow wrote:

Lololol I could name specific games that suggest otherwise.

On May 13 2014 07:47 mderg wrote:
Really kicking myself

I think I should have realized at that exact point. There shouldn´t be any reason for koshi to read my posts as me calling hf/koshi scum, unless he knows that it is the truth.