You Only Shoot Once Mafia - Page 73

On May 07 2014 08:21 Palmar wrote:


This is no joke btw.

We super lynch poof if fool is town.

On May 07 2014 08:35 justanothertownie wrote:
WoS, why the hell are you doing this? You can't possibly have a strong scumread on Palmar by the way you are posting and you were really scummy on Foolishness earlier. If you make this a no lynch or a Palmar lynch and the guy flips town first thing I do tomorrow is shooting you no questions asked. Wtf dude. Scum is giving up, rolling over for us to lynch him AND YOU WANT TO SWITCH? WHAT THE FUCK?!
PEOPLE GET ON FOOLISHNESS RIGHT NOW. Do NOT shit the bed here.

I am off and I swear to all that is holy that my bullet will be put into the head one of you guys if you fuck this up.

On May 07 2014 08:39 WaveofShadow wrote:

Right now it's a no-lynch anyway in case you haven't realized. Disappearing until tomorrow if you want a flip today is probably a bad idea. Also I don't respond to threats, and I'm pretty sure the way you've been ranting and slavering away all game, I doubt anyone else will either. Whatever happens will happen despite you it seems.

On May 07 2014 08:25 Tehpoofter wrote:


Why you so sure Foolishness is town now? You said the same thing about Ace earlier?


Any reason you're bringing this stuff up before you even know Foolishness alignment? Who do we lynch if Foolish flips scum like you seem to think he will? Who is the auto must lynch in this world?

9 posts 3 given.

On May 07 2014 08:27 WaveofShadow wrote:

I'm more inclined to lynch you and then super lynch Fool if you flip town. Hell, JAT can even shoot him.
Problem with lynching in general is we need VE/gumshoe/Cephiro all to show up.

I do so love when people sign up for mafia and play games.

On May 07 2014 08:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Yeah, the noflip modkills really fucking suck.
Attitude or not it is baffling to me how you are toying with the idea to switch off a person you are scummy on to a wagon with much less votes and scummy people on it while being afraid of a no lynch. It makes no sense and it makes me angry when we have the opportunity to kill Foolishness who basically claimed scum today.
Sorry if I am going overboard and I really don't mean it in any personal way but what is going on here right now looks like pure stupidity to me if you guys are town.

On May 07 2014 07:53 VayneAuthority wrote:
austin foolishness has pretty much the same reads as me so I have no reason to lynch him. If he flips scum then I will just follow you guys the rest of the game but I still have a little dignity. Everyone seems to forget that palmar threatened to play anti-town and then didnt die to that fake nuke and that caller was the one that shot it. anyone that thinks this is not 2 fuckers fucking around is blind imo, pretty sure they are both mafia.

I read this and felt like a lot of the stuff he was saying was pretty neutral and/or requires the knowledge of other's alignments i.e. Palmer/Caller/Ace/Prphlz to be town. I did however feel like the bolded parts stood out to me and found the point I underlined the most interesting as austin you made the big thing about how Foolishness didn't research Oats' games when the underlined part makes it seem like he did at least look through them and didn't see similarities (obviously he could fake that and just say he did to seem neutral but why not give a position) The thing is that (assuming what you posted was chronological order) He went from I'm unsure on Oats to talking about his past games and they don't match up. To me that shows a townie thought train of hmm I don't know about x better go research him. If he didn't find anything conclusive it also explains why he didn't express his views in the thread cause what good is that info?

I'm looking through Oatsmaster's game. This game looks neither like his town nor his mafia play.

Look at this post Oatsmaster made when he was mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/4328...g-mafia?page=11#216

Now look at this post which he made this current game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/4484...ce-mafia?page=9#166

eerily similarp

On May 07 2014 08:21 Palmar wrote:


This is no joke btw.

We super lynch poof if fool is town.

On May 07 2014 08:58 austinmcc wrote:
What are the reads? Cuz as best I can tell, he's got enough town that you likely end up at the tail end of his scumlist.

I get the palmar/caller thing, but the summation of your thoughts on foolishness is "he has PRETTY MUCH the same reads as me", with no further detail, and no explanation of where you guys disagree?

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Look at what he does with SnB, prplhz, or people in past games. He pulls from multiple games, generally creating a full idea of what someone plays like.

With oats, his QT posts are:





those are both D1. Nothing about oats's stuff ever brought to thread though, and that was it. No more posts in QT about his meta. Nothing in the game about his meta. I don't see "hey here's a single post and a single post" as equivalent to what I think of when I think of Fool looking at someone's past games. There are...NO conclusions there except "eerily similar", there was NO checkup on whether people who said "oats = oats" had merit, etc.

If you read just the text of those posts, you go "Foolishness says he's looking into oats!" But there's nothing in thread. There's no analysis, no conclusions, anywhere. Especially in a game where I had a hard time convincing people that this looked like mafia oats and not "oats", it is ... off ... to me that the above is ALL we've got, ESPECIALLY if Foolishness thought he was scum, and ESPECIALLY if he was almost the D1 lynch and Foolishness thought he was scum, and ESPECIALLY if Foolishness was the secondary lynch candidate AND oats was almost the D1 lynch AND Foolishness thought he was scum.


If you're town and Foolishness is scum, you're going wrong because you're not drawing a complete picture of Foolishness, you're valuing little things he says in a QT over what's in thread, you're looking at some things and you're not looking for CONCLUSIONS and ACTIONFOOLISHNESS.

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I personally think this is 100% wrong.

On May 07 2014 08:58 WaveofShadow wrote:

The point is, there are things in Foolishness' play that give me pause, and they should give you pause too. It worries me that despite interaction with Foolishness in the QT, Austin is somehow MORE sure now of his alignment than before, when even I was sure he was scum. No, as much as you want to call it that, Foolishness did not 'claim scum.' It's entirely possible he is telling the truth and is frustrated at being targeted basically all game when in his mind he has been nothing but useful/helpful. I've seen it before and I'm sure I'll see it again. It's frustrating to ME that you have done absolutely nothing this entire game but tunnel him into oblivion without even once considering other options or possibilities. That's not good townie play.

Objectively, you're probably right and I think the most likely lynch we're going to get is Foolishness today but I don't feel fantastic about it.

On May 07 2014 09:00 justanothertownie wrote:
Palmar has good reads this game. Oats/BH were both scumreads (granted BH was traitor) and Foolishness is in there too. No way in hell I will be voting him. Also marv/rayn meta on Palmar says he is town. Idgaf Palmar is most likely town Palmar afaik.

On May 07 2014 09:02 WaveofShadow wrote:

Austin where was all this stuff when JAT and I were discussing Foolishness days ago?
As far as preflip associations go btw I'd be more sure of a Foolishness red flip if we were sure Palmar is town. Not quite sure why Poofter and Foolishness are inextricably linked, Palmar.

On May 07 2014 08:58 austinmcc wrote:
What are the reads? Cuz as best I can tell, he's got enough town that you likely end up at the tail end of his scumlist.

I get the palmar/caller thing, but the summation of your thoughts on foolishness is "he has PRETTY MUCH the same reads as me", with no further detail, and no explanation of where you guys disagree?

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Look at what he does with SnB, prplhz, or people in past games. He pulls from multiple games, generally creating a full idea of what someone plays like.

With oats, his QT posts are:





those are both D1. Nothing about oats's stuff ever brought to thread though, and that was it. No more posts in QT about his meta. Nothing in the game about his meta. I don't see "hey here's a single post and a single post" as equivalent to what I think of when I think of Fool looking at someone's past games. There are...NO conclusions there except "eerily similar", there was NO checkup on whether people who said "oats = oats" had merit, etc.

If you read just the text of those posts, you go "Foolishness says he's looking into oats!" But there's nothing in thread. There's no analysis, no conclusions, anywhere. Especially in a game where I had a hard time convincing people that this looked like mafia oats and not "oats", it is ... off ... to me that the above is ALL we've got, ESPECIALLY if Foolishness thought he was scum, and ESPECIALLY if he was almost the D1 lynch and Foolishness thought he was scum, and ESPECIALLY if Foolishness was the secondary lynch candidate AND oats was almost the D1 lynch AND Foolishness thought he was scum.


If you're town and Foolishness is scum, you're going wrong because you're not drawing a complete picture of Foolishness, you're valuing little things he says in a QT over what's in thread, you're looking at some things and you're not looking for CONCLUSIONS and ACTIONFOOLISHNESS.

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I personally think this is 100% wrong.

On May 07 2014 08:46 justanothertownie wrote:
Townies WILL consolidate onto Foolishness later if the alternative is the no lynch. Stay and there will be a lynch. I find it hard to believe that you are letting your top scumread from earlier (Poofter) manipulate you this way.