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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16326 Posts
May 06 2014 21:57 GMT
#1421
If Foolishness was town he would do his best to give us something to work with even if he was certain that he would be killed. He would try to give us as much information as possible. Cases from a confirmed town foolishness once he is dead.
The fact that he is not doing that and moans and bitches instead only shows that he is scum who is giving up and doesn't want to put in any more effort/to incriminate his buddies.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16326 Posts
May 06 2014 21:58 GMT
#1422
On May 07 2014 06:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
JAT, shut up.

Nope.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
May 06 2014 22:06 GMT
#1423
It may mean that, it might not. It's not as if there isn't a giant pile of people not posting at all this game.

There WOULD be value in just lynching/shooting everyone who isn't doing anything, but it's never an easy thing to make yourself do. He's right, somewhat, to defend himself on activity/scumhunt-y grounds, but when I looked at his recent stuff there actually isn't that much.

Since the D2 post on RoL/WoS/oats, he posted on BH/slam, and he posted a second bit on RoL at the start of D3. There's been ACTIVITY, but I'm mixed on whether it's really useful, and I don't think that defending oneself on "you're killing one of the only active players" is valid when the activity isn't as scumhunt-y as I want/expect.

Do you guys have thoughts on that? There's BEEN scumhunting from him, but like...what % of his time since that WoS/RoL/Oats post has been scumhunt-y, what percentage scumhunt-y/push the game forward-y? Am I off in my evaluation?
Fe fi fo fum.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16326 Posts
May 06 2014 22:09 GMT
#1424
In my experience the guys that seem to be scumhunting just a little are way more likely to be scum than the people who just flat out refuse to do anything. Also "this guy has done less than me so you can't lynch me before him!" is literally the worst defense I have ever heard.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 06 2014 22:53 GMT
#1425
austin foolishness has pretty much the same reads as me so I have no reason to lynch him. If he flips scum then I will just follow you guys the rest of the game but I still have a little dignity. Everyone seems to forget that palmar threatened to play anti-town and then didnt die to that fake nuke and that caller was the one that shot it. anyone that thinks this is not 2 fuckers fucking around is blind imo, pretty sure they are both mafia.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 06 2014 22:56 GMT
#1426
like i cant be the only one that noticed they were all fake mad at eachother day one and then have never followed up on it even remotely or even done anything else for that matter. a good distancing tactic that seemed to fool people but i dont buy it.
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Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
May 06 2014 23:07 GMT
#1427
On May 06 2014 03:14 austinmcc wrote:
The QT doesn't really matter. I'm posting Foolishness stuff from it mainly to get people to quit talking about it. It doesn't matter if it's outed, or if we all die, or anything like that, but I think that talk about QT, and scumhunting via QT, are not as advantageous to town as making people post about actual other stuff, who has done what that is scummy, and not what might or might not be true about a QT that might or might not exist.

Foolishness was added at the start of D1, before he'd done anything, this bit is true. BH added someone every night thereafter. On N1, they discussed who to add, BH decided on Sandroba. Said he added Sandroba, but was given another bite at the apple given Sandroba's dead-ness, and another person was added shortly thereafter. If true, it's an indicator that BH was not recruited on D1.

As far as relevant Foolishness stuff in there:
  • Palmar holding town hostage instictively town-palmar-y
  • Prplhz overreacted in the past as mafia when accused, not sold on prplhz but wants to poke and see what happens
  • Geript is geript-y
  • Cephiro's opening is townie, in line was past town openings
  • As far as snb voters go (this is still D1, no flip/no lynch yet), worried only about Palmar and SnB
  • Don't know anything about oats, is he a good lynch?
  • Unsure whether to be happy with snb voters or worried
  • Oats's past games don't match up with this one, either town OR scum
  • "Shape might be conclusive here because I cannot find anything of that shape when he's town. He has those kinds of posts when he's mafia.

    Of course I'm not switching to Oats unless we really have to. But at the end of the day he might not be a bad lynch, and worth looking into tomorrow if he's still alive." <-------- Fool re: oats
  • This lynch doesn't feel like it was mafia pushed. Felt like town messing up. Will confirm later.
  • Foolishness suggests inviting me to QT N1 (I was not the invitee that night). Feels like I'm town at a glance, but hasn't looked into me hard.
  • Palmar likely town if he continues to play the game. If afk for all of D2, kill immediately. Coming in to just post reads (N1) while being under no pressure = townie. Palmar and Sandroba both probably town. Suggests sandroba being added to the QT, rather than Palmar or myself or someone else.
  • Start of D2: "I'm still not feeling the Palmar lynch, but I could be convinced otherwise. It bothers me that Ace is pushing it and not doing anything else. sandroba also said that Palmar is mafia (but he also said that I'm mafia).

    I'm tempted to push on Oatsmaster to see how that transpires."
  • Wouldn't be upset on D2 if Caller or Palmar got lynched, but doesn't think either of them is the best option for town.
  • Ace feels open, not hiding anything, not pushing an agenda, would probably be trying harder to do something if he were mafia.
  • Mystery man asks Foolishness what he thinks about BH. Fool doesn't know, isn't worried about it.
  • Not in response to anything really specific, on D2: "Though Blazinghand, I do still think that thing on Oatsmaster really points to him being mafia.

    And yeah I realize it's all heuristical hence I'm not doing anything about that particular point."
    [*]"Someone go in the thread and say that I'm town for:

    1) posting reads and cases
    2) responding to situations and not ignoring them
    3) not being afk

    Of which all my reads are not doing.
    " (This actually feels minorly townie to me. I'm not used to seeing scum give out a press release on why they're town and ask folks to disseminate it). When asked why people should defend him, "Because the arguments hold more weight when someone else says them. I only care cause the votes were close and town will lose if they lynch me."
  • Wants to add me or poofter N2
  • Unsure why BH would think Ceph lying about cop claim? (Perhaps point in Fool's favor? If BH no recruited, town is assuming the check is golden, scum has no clue what's up because as far as they know ceph has checked town/town
  • Still worried about prplhz, but doesn't want to kill him D3/D4, is kinda interested in what I'm thinking about prplhz (when I'm posting that I think prplhz town for wanting to lynch outside slam/BH)
  • Foolishness and I have to argue with BH and explain how traitors work. lololol
  • Fool and I both confused at what BH tries to say about Cephiro maybe being a traitor, but failing to get recruited, trying to cover his butt with a made up cop check...seriously it made no/little sense. Nothing terribly important there though
  • Foolishness says he gets townie vibes from Gumshoe, including Gumshoe's big early D2 post where he votes oats and cases oats. I was initially very worried about that post, because I've never seen Gumshoe actually post cases and stuff in games, but apparently he's been posty in some and lurky in the ones we've played jointly. Foolishness generally finds gumshoe townie, refutes some points I make that the post may have been pre-written and a copy-paste error causes some of the wonky quote tags in the post.
  • "I'd be surprised if either JAT or poofter was mafia. Especially poofter given what happened on day 2."
  • When I pray to ABBA to safeguard me through the night, Foolishness notes that ABBA had my back


THE END


It's not been the most active QT. He was more active in it D1, early days, talked a decent bit with BH, has gone less posty recently. Unsure if weekend or sad about buddies. Generally, there was a small amount of anti-oats stuff, nothing that makes him super townie, not enough of it, and nothing where he's really trying to PUSH oats to the QT people. He was generally anti-BH yesterday, we were both confused at how BH was interpreted Cephiro's claim, at how the scenarios he was making up could ever be true (Cephiro traitor, guessed Slam and BH for mafia, was told that was incorrect and he failed to join mafia team ----> he fakeclaims cop and says one of those guys is mafia, thinking this will signal to the scumteam that he's the traitor, and will also get town to mislynch these people, stuff like that)

It exists. It's not magical. I don't THINK foolishness's posts in QT point, in particular, to any alignment.


I read this and felt like a lot of the stuff he was saying was pretty neutral and/or requires the knowledge of other's alignments i.e. Palmer/Caller/Ace/Prphlz to be town. I did however feel like the bolded parts stood out to me and found the point I underlined the most interesting as austin you made the big thing about how Foolishness didn't research Oats' games when the underlined part makes it seem like he did at least look through them and didn't see similarities (obviously he could fake that and just say he did to seem neutral but why not give a position) The thing is that (assuming what you posted was chronological order) He went from I'm unsure on Oats to talking about his past games and they don't match up. To me that shows a townie thought train of hmm I don't know about x better go research him. If he didn't find anything conclusive it also explains why he didn't express his views in the thread cause what good is that info?

The other things I've highlighted are basically him asking the QT to post about his towniness meaning he is reading those in there as town and seems to come from a town mindset as scum he could just ask his teammates and it didn't seem like something he would do for town points.

The part about him and Austin being on the same wave length regarding BH shows a mindmeld between two townier people imo. Like BH as mafia has 1 reaction and Austin and Foolish have the opposite to me that reads more townie.

He also says he wants to recruit me and reads me correctly and I think that a scum foolishness could easily push on me for shooting as I did he definitely wouldn't find much resistance but the fact he reads past that makes him more townie to me.


The part in Red is the scummiest part because to me the tone like was he gone for the weekend or is he not trying anymore cause 2 of his teammates went down and now hes given up. Kind of the opposite read of WoS/Palmer.


I see Jat really really wants this lynch so its probably going to happen but I think Foolish is town here judging by whats in a QT that he wouldn't have known would be public at least this soon. He also has been casing people on D2 he made the case on RoL (it turned out to be wrong but I think people are allowed to be wrong and if he was right all the time that screams of TMI) He also is reading lots of other people in the QT it seems as well as in the thread. I agree he wasn't actively pushing the Oats lynch but his train of thought for Day 1 doesn't make a lot of sense unless the whole train on SNB was scum. Even then its a very weird train of thought for a scum to have. Even if their buddy was the other lynch that day why not go after someone like myself who didn't even post/vote? Why not accuse one of the towns on the wagon of being scummy? Just doesn't seem like a good scum agenda tbh maybe I think too highly of Foolishness' scum play from video mafia but to me he tends to have more try-hard scum agendas.

I ask austin to look at this and tell me that what I said doesn't make sense. Where am I going wrong reading Foolish if hes scum? I agree he is given up it seems which isn't very useful for town but idk I'm just not getting that as scum give up. (The good news is if he is scum its probably an easy game because that means we have demoralized the team!)


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Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
May 06 2014 23:08 GMT
#1428
@VA do you think that Palmer/Caller reactions was scum on scum? scum on town? Like seeing how the days have played out which is most likely in your mind?

7 posts 3 given.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 06 2014 23:08 GMT
#1429
Very very tempted atm.
Do we even have enough people to switch? I hope mods don't plan on counting prplhz in the majority right now because as is we may no-lynch
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 06 2014 23:10 GMT
#1430
On May 07 2014 08:08 Tehpoofter wrote:
@VA do you think that Palmer/Caller reactions was scum on scum? scum on town? Like seeing how the days have played out which is most likely in your mind?

7 posts 3 given.


uh just look how caller is playing. he is randomly tunneling me because I claimed PR and wont let go of it but he shot a nuke at palmar that failed then hasnt said anything about palmar the rest of the game? LOL do i need to answer this
I come in for the scraps
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 06 2014 23:17 GMT
#1431
On May 07 2014 05:20 Foolishness wrote:
WoS, it's called your bad at this game.

I've officially run out of motivation and stopped caring. Your game to throw not mine. Just read the cases that have been made and hopefully you can make things work out in the end.


Wrong.

no1 responsibility as town is not to get lynched and you know it.

#rekt
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 06 2014 23:18 GMT
#1432
If foolishness flips town we lynch poofter for TMI
Computer says mafia
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
May 06 2014 23:19 GMT
#1433
On May 07 2014 07:09 justanothertownie wrote:
In my experience the guys that seem to be scumhunting just a little are way more likely to be scum than the people who just flat out refuse to do anything. Also "this guy has done less than me so you can't lynch me before him!" is literally the worst defense I have ever heard.



I will agree with you here the fact that he is saying that is not a high level of play I'd expect and scummy.

@WoS no clue on the prphlz thing lets hope he was scum or thats no good for town. My only concern WoS about switching is that I read both Foolish and Palmer as more townie so unless we swap to Ace/Ve/Caller I'm not really sure I'm down because lets be honest if we switch off Foolish and get it wrong Jat will 100% shoot one of us and since I'm reading you more town I feel like that is not good. Although VA brings up a pretty good point about Palmer being a possible scum with Caller.


@Va I wouldn't ask the question if I didn't think it needed an answer even if I think its obvious I want to see where your head is at. My issue is that I think Caller is scummy but Palmer not so much especially with how he seems to have perked up as of late. I think Caller is more likely scum than Palmer.

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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 06 2014 23:21 GMT
#1434
On May 07 2014 08:18 Palmar wrote:
If foolishness flips town we lynch poofter for TMI


This is no joke btw.

We super lynch poof if fool is town.
Computer says mafia
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 06 2014 23:22 GMT
#1435
On May 07 2014 07:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
like i cant be the only one that noticed they were all fake mad at eachother day one and then have never followed up on it even remotely or even done anything else for that matter. a good distancing tactic that seemed to fool people but i dont buy it.

SSON u r not alone
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 06 2014 23:24 GMT
#1436
On May 07 2014 08:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Very very tempted atm.
Do we even have enough people to switch? I hope mods don't plan on counting prplhz in the majority right now because as is we may no-lynch

Where we switching? I'll consider it
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Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
May 06 2014 23:25 GMT
#1437
On May 07 2014 08:21 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2014 08:18 Palmar wrote:
If foolishness flips town we lynch poofter for TMI


This is no joke btw.

We super lynch poof if fool is town.


Why you so sure Foolishness is town now? You said the same thing about Ace earlier?
On May 06 2014 18:40 Palmar wrote:
It doesn't matter what Foolishness' (or my) alignment is when it comes to Ace.

If Foolishness is town, Ace knows this is a train wreck and doesn't care about it.

Hell, let's assume I'm confused scum and will flip mafia, even that wouldn't help Ace's case, just make it look worse that he's not pushing a good lynch better.



Any reason you're bringing this stuff up before you even know Foolishness alignment? Who do we lynch if Foolish flips scum like you seem to think he will? Who is the auto must lynch in this world?

9 posts 3 given.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 06 2014 23:25 GMT
#1438
On May 07 2014 08:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2014 08:08 Tehpoofter wrote:
@VA do you think that Palmer/Caller reactions was scum on scum? scum on town? Like seeing how the days have played out which is most likely in your mind?

7 posts 3 given.


uh just look how caller is playing. he is randomly tunneling me because I claimed PR and wont let go of it but he shot a nuke at palmar that failed then hasnt said anything about palmar the rest of the game? LOL do i need to answer this

Plus caller has been pushing the world and their cousin
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 06 2014 23:27 GMT
#1439
On May 07 2014 08:21 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2014 08:18 Palmar wrote:
If foolishness flips town we lynch poofter for TMI


This is no joke btw.

We super lynch poof if fool is town.

I'm more inclined to lynch you and then super lynch Fool if you flip town. Hell, JAT can even shoot him.
Problem with lynching in general is we need VE/gumshoe/Cephiro all to show up.

I do so love when people sign up for mafia and play games.
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 06 2014 23:28 GMT
#1440
On May 07 2014 08:21 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2014 08:18 Palmar wrote:
If foolishness flips town we lynch poofter for TMI


This is no joke btw.

We super lynch poof if fool is town.

DUDE U PUSH THE MARKIPLIER

EVERY FREAKIN' FOOL ACTING ALL MARKIPLIER TRAITOR UP IN HERE

NO

NONIN


##UNVOTE FOOLISH EASA
##VOTE PALMASR
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